On 08-11-19 21:23, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: What happened? <=-

For one thing the guy's so-called `manifesto' runs all over the place.
It defines no clear, direct political side; either democrat OR
republican!

If you have a copy of the manifesto, I would like to see a link to it.
I have not been able to find it. I have only seen reporting about it.

He doesn't just target `hispanics' he also targets `average
Americans'. He also calls for a `decrease in the general American population' without stating which part of the `American population'
should be `decreased'.

Please post where he says that. What I read is a quote from the
introduction that says "this attack is a response to the Hispanic
invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply
defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by
an invasion."

He called for `universal healthcare' and `universal income'; both of
which are liberal socialist democrat issues! (Surprise!) But you didn't see any leftie media mention THOSE points.

Again -- post as to where he said such. I'd like to see it if he in
fact said that.

They would LOVE to tie Trump into one or both shooters, but it doesn't work!

All that is being said is that the El Paso shooter is echoing things
which Trump has said repeatedly.

BTW...did you know he tied his `manifesto' to the environment by
naming it (get ready) "The Inconvenient Truth"! (Shades of Al Gore!)

I doubt that -- he named it "The inconvenient Truth" but anything else associating his manifesto to the environment must have come out of Fox
News.

There's more of a `democrat' leaning to it than republican..

Neither. It is a leaning to white nationalism which is not part of
either party doctrine -- although Trump seems to go out of his way to
excuse or encourage such sentiments for his own political gain.

Dale Shipp
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Re: The manifesto
By: Dale Shipp to Tim Richardson on Tue Aug 13 2019 03:50:02

For one thing the guy's so-called `manifesto' runs all over the place. It defines no clear, direct political side; either democrat OR republican!

If you have a copy of the manifesto, I would like to see a link to it.
I have not been able to find it. I have only seen reporting about it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190803162950/https://8ch.net/file_dl/7e1363f7757d baa81b0be29cedfb854dbdd7c3559b1c5afa0e15d63402d39934.pdf/The_Inconvenient_Truth .pdf

or

https://tinyurl.com/yyez4mzc


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On 08-13-19 13:45, Mark Lewis <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about The manifesto <=-

If you have a copy of the manifesto, I would like to see a link to it.
I have not been able to find it. I have only seen reporting about it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190803162950/https://8ch.net/file_dl/7e13 63f7757 baa81b0be29cedfb854dbdd7c3559b1c5afa0e15d63402d39934.pdf/The Inconvenient_Truth.pdf

or

https://tinyurl.com/yyez4mzc

Got it -- thanks.

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Please post where he says that. What I read is a quote from the
introduction that says "this attack is a response to the Hispanic
invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply
defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by
an invasion."

While I'm sure that a lot of (white) whackos think hispanics are invading
the US, the fact of the matter is that the hispanics were here before the
USA existed. Most of the southwestern US states are former
states/provinces of Mexico - northern California being a significant
exception, it's a former colony of imperial Russia, as was Alaska.
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On 08-14-19 16:40, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about The manifesto <=-

Please post where he says that. What I read is a quote from the introduction that says "this attack is a response to the Hispanic
invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply
defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by
an invasion."

While I'm sure that a lot of (white) whackos think hispanics are
invading the US, the fact of the matter is that the hispanics were here before the USA existed. Most of the southwestern US states are former states/provinces of Mexico - northern California being a significant exception, it's a former colony of imperial Russia, as was Alaska.

Very good point. So why are some people so afraid of letting Hispanics
into the USA? Or in kicking out the ones that are here already -- even
the ones with valid visas?

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On 2019 Aug 14 16:40:30, you wrote to DALE SHIPP:

Please post where he says that. What I read is a quote from the
introduction that says "this attack is a response to the Hispanic
invasion of Texas. They are the instigators, not me. I am simply
defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by
an invasion."

While I'm sure that a lot of (white) whackos think hispanics are invading the US, the fact of the matter is that the hispanics were here before the USA existed.

exactly... the american indians and south americans are a lot closer than many people think...

Most of the southwestern US states are former states/provinces of
Mexico - northern California being a significant exception, it's a
former colony of imperial Russia, as was Alaska.

true, too...

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On 2019 Aug 15 01:36:02, you wrote to Bob Ackley:

While I'm sure that a lot of (white) whackos think hispanics are
invading the US, the fact of the matter is that the hispanics were
here before the USA existed. Most of the southwestern US states are
former states/provinces of Mexico - northern California being a
significant exception, it's a former colony of imperial Russia, as
was Alaska.

Very good point. So why are some people so afraid of letting
Hispanics into the USA? Or in kicking out the ones that are here
already -- even the ones with valid visas?

here's an interesting thought...

"If 'illegals' are freeloaders, why does ICE raid workplaces? (and why aren't employers charged?)"

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Hello mark,

While I'm sure that a lot of (white) whackos think hispanics are >BA>>invading the US, the fact of the matter is that the hispanics were >BA>>here before the USA existed. Most of the southwestern US states are >BA>>former states/provinces of Mexico - northern California being a >BA>>significant exception, it's a former colony of imperial Russia, as >BA>>was Alaska.

Very good point. So why are some people so afraid of letting
Hispanics into the USA? Or in kicking out the ones that are here >DS>already -- even the ones with valid visas?

here's an interesting thought...

"If 'illegals' are freeloaders, why does ICE raid workplaces? (and why
aren't employers charged?)"

Different rules for different folks.

For example, the other day, ICE arrested and detained 680 undocumented immigrants. But the employers remained open for business, not having
been found of any wrongdoing. Why the difference?

Those who were working at those places were not able to show they
were here legally, and were thus detained. The employers may have
had papers given to them by undocumented immigrants that were fake.
Had the employer made fake documents for its employees who were not
US citizens, then ICE would have had grounds. But how is ICE able
to determine who created the fake documents?

The laws dealing with this were passed before the digital revolution.
They need to be upgraded. But nothing can be done due to the stupid ideological warfare between the two camps in DC.

--Lee

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"If 'illegals' are freeloaders, why does ICE raid workplaces? (and why aren't employers charged?)"

They're taking the free ride when it comes to paying for visas and/or overstaying their visit. That occurs while all other humans on the planet are working for extremely low wages, trying to save up for lawful immigration to the US. Freeloaders: they enter for free.

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On 2019 Aug 15 22:39:36, you wrote to me:

"If 'illegals' are freeloaders, why does ICE raid workplaces? (and
why aren't employers charged?)"

They're taking the free ride when it comes to paying for visas and/or overstaying their visit.

what ""free ride""?? they're working aren't they? that makes them not freeloaders...

and if the companies know their employees' status, why aren't they being charged? they should be easily capable of keeping up with an expiration date and let their employees know that it is coming up... they should also be able to use that date to refuse those employees access to the workplace to work but should still allow them access to the pay they are owed for their work...

That occurs while all other humans on the planet are working for
extremely low wages,

are you saying that freeloaders make more than others?
are you saying that immigrants are willing to accept lower pay than others?

trying to save up for lawful immigration to the US. Freeloaders: they enter for free.

no one said anything about how they entered... remember, too, that they have a year to apply *after* they have entered the country NO MATTER HOW they entered...

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Hello Aaron,

ml> "If 'illegals' are freeloaders, why does ICE raid workplaces? (and why
ml> aren't employers charged?)"

They're taking the free ride when it comes to paying for visas and/or >overstaying their visit. That occurs while all other humans on the planet
are
working for extremely low wages, trying to save up for lawful immigration to >the US. Freeloaders: they enter for free.

What about those who marry a US citizen to get here?
Are they also `freeloaders', as you suggest?

What about foreign students who marry US students at university?
Are they also `freeloaders', as you suggest?

The US has funny rules. If foreigner marries US citizen he/she
meets in US, it is marriage scam and foreigner is sent back to where
he/she came from. But if foreigner is student who meets US student
at university, that is not marriage scam and foreigner allowed to
stay with US mate as valid married couple.

So. Who are `freeloaders' - and are who are not?

--Lee

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what ""free ride""?? they're working aren't they? that makes them not freeloaders...

While working a job is honorable, it's dishonorable to step on the backs of those who obeyed the law on their journey to the USA.

and if the companies know their employees' status, why aren't they being charged? they should be easily capable of keeping up with an expiration

Those companies should be charged - but do you really want those companies charged? Wouldn't that be you backstabbing your exploitables? Your
exploitables don't want those companies charged.

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What about those who marry a US citizen to get here?
Are they also `freeloaders', as you suggest?

That's not free; they have plenty fees to pay to legally migrate to the USA with their new spouse. So no - those who marry a US citizen to get here are
not freeloaders.

What about foreign students who marry US students at university?
Are they also `freeloaders', as you suggest?

Nope! Those are people who are paying the fees. They're not freeloaders
either.

People who lack the integrity to enter the USA through one of the many ports
of entry are freeloaders.

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On 08-13-19, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 08-11-19 21:23, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: What happened? <=-

For one thing the guy's so-called `manifesto' runs all over the place.
It defines no clear, direct political side; either democrat OR
republican!

If you have a copy of the manifesto, I would like to see a link to it.

I'll tell you the same thing I used to tell the rest of the lefties in here;


I am not your research assistant. Its out there. find it yourself!


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On 08-15-19, DALE SHIPP said to BOB ACKLEY:

Very good point. So why are some people so afraid of letting Hispanics DS>into the USA? Or in kicking out the ones that are here already -- even DS>the ones with valid visas?

(Sigh!)


Nobody is *afraid* of letting Hispanics or any others `into the USA'!


I love how the lefties try to feign blindness or ignorance to the facts. Its interesting to note lefties getting up in front of cameras and microphones and stating `their' version of "...we are a country/nation/system of laws!"... but then declaring a city or state....or a municipality a `sancuary'place.


In the recently-executed crackdown on illegals holding employment here in the US (illegally)....various `lefties' pre-warned illegals of the impending
raids.


What the lefties who did that (and the lefties who inhabit the Fido echoes)
are either failing to see, or are deliberately ignoring, that amounts to `aiding and abeting in criminality'!


Firstly....there were laws passed some time ago against employers knowingly hiring or employing `illegal' aliens. When was the last time anyone heard of
an employer being prosecuted to the full extent of `the law' for that offense?


Secondly....any politicians who pre-warned anyone of pending ICE raids on
their place of business or other location...are guilty of aiding and abeting those who are committing crimes.


Before one of the lefties in here goes off on a rant about it;


Entering the US without coming through one of the ports of entry, with the intent to thwart the procedure set up for lawful entry into the US...is a crime!


Taking employment in the US without a lawfully obtained permission to work here...is a crime!


Any person who warns of an impending ICE raid for the purpose of enforcing US immigration laws, is aiding and abetting criminals.


We are a system of laws!


When leftie wants to make points with those they think will aid them in their greatest endeavor (gaining all the power they possibly can)....they will go to any lengths; pretend we have no border laws....ignore the 12 million or so
`law breakers' we have running around the country.....even go so far as to do everything they can to thwart the lawful enforcement of our laws.


But when its to `their' public image advantage....they fall all over each
other to get to a mic in front of a camera and spout that old standby `we are
a country/system of laws'!


Lefties don't give a shit about the number of jobs Americans need that are being held by `illegal aliens'. A vast majority of the large companies
illegals are working for contribute to `democrats' or republicans who may as well BE democrats (for all the use they are).






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On 2019 Aug 15 01:36:02, you wrote to Bob Ackley:

here's an interesting thought...

"If 'illegals' are freeloaders, why does ICE raid workplaces? (and

why aren't

employers charged?)"

Employers - including Donald J Trump - who KNOWINGLY hire "undocumented immigrants" SHOULD be prosecuted.
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Hello Aaron,

What about those who marry a US citizen to get here?
Are they also `freeloaders', as you suggest?

That's not free; they have plenty fees to pay to legally migrate to the USA >with their new spouse. So no - those who marry a US citizen to get here are >not freeloaders.

If a US citizen meets a foreign citizen in the US, and marries
that individual, it would be deemed a sham marriage. However, if
a US citizen meets a foreign citizen outside of the US, and marries
that inividua, it would not be deemed a sham marriage. The reason
for this is because the foreign citizen is viewed as having come
here in order to obtain citizenship in an underhanded way.

What about foreign students who marry US students at university?
Are they also `freeloaders', as you suggest?

Nope! Those are people who are paying the fees. They're not freeloaders >either.

If a US citizen meets a foreign citizen in the US at a university,
then why is that not viewed in the same light as if a US citizen meets
a foreign citizen in the US? Are you saying that all a foreign citizen
has to do in order to obtain US citizenship is become a student at at
US college or university and marry a US citizen who is also a student?

People who lack the integrity to enter the USA through one of the many ports
of entry are freeloaders.

It has nothing to do with entering ports of entry.

A US citizen who marries a foreign citizen in the US is viewed as
a sham marriage, the foreign citizen being sent back to wherever he/she
came from.

If both the US citizen and foreign citizen are students at a US
college or university, and get married, their marriage is viewed
as valid and the foreign citizen can stay, going on to become a
US citizen himself/herself.

In fact, two foreign students can marry at a US college or university,
have a kid who is a US citizen, then fly back home and await their turn
to come back.

And to think that kid almost became president.

Piyush "Bobby" Jindal. Grew up to become Governor of Louisiana.
Would have been president, had it not been for Donald J. Trump.

--Lee

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I'll tell you the same thing I used to tell the rest of the lefties in here;

I am not your research assistant. Its out there. find it yourself!

The other thing I like to tell them is that the internet isn't always my source; some stuff isn't linkable.

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On 2019 Aug 16 20:11:36, you wrote to me:

what ""free ride""?? they're working aren't they? that makes them not
freeloaders...

While working a job is honorable, it's dishonorable to step on the
backs of those who obeyed the law on their journey to the USA.

who's backs are being stepped on?

and if the companies know their employees' status, why aren't they
being charged? they should be easily capable of keeping up with an
expiration

Those companies should be charged - but do you really want those

companies

charged?

if they are knowingly doing wrong, you're damned right they should be charged...

Wouldn't that be you backstabbing your exploitables? Your exploitables don't want those companies charged.

que??

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On 2019 Aug 17 12:25:06, you wrote to me:

here's an interesting thought...

"If 'illegals' are freeloaders, why does ICE raid workplaces? (and why
aren't employers charged?)"

Employers - including Donald J Trump - who KNOWINGLY hire "undocumented immigrants" SHOULD be prosecuted.

exactly! and dtrump should have landed his ass in jail years ago...

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On 08-17-19, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

I'll tell you the same thing I used to tell the rest of the lefties in here;

I am not your research assistant. Its out there. find it yourself!

The other thing I like to tell them is that the internet isn't always my AT>source; some stuff isn't linkable.

True.

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On 08-16-19, AARON THOMAS said to LEE LOFASO:

People who lack the integrity to enter the USA through one of the many AT>ports of entry are freeloaders.

They are committing crimes. And those who enter again and again the same
way are `knowingly' committing multiple crimes.


I've noticed the harder Trump tries to enforce our border, enforce our immigration law (which many *democrats* voted for and helped pass!), the
harder he tries to rid the country of those here illegally......the more the democrats (and some republicans) do to stall it.


Thats gonna be a real big factor in November, 2020.

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On 08-17-19, MARK LEWIS said to AARON THOMAS:

On 2019 Aug 16 20:11:36, you wrote to me:

what ""free ride""?? they're working aren't they? that makes them not
freeloaders...

While working a job is honorable, it's dishonorable to step on the
backs of those who obeyed the law on their journey to the USA.

who's backs are being stepped on?

Americans!

and if the companies know their employees' status, why aren't they
being charged?

Probably democrat donors (the companies)!

if they are knowingly doing wrong, you're damned right they should be ML>charged...

Yet all through the *Hussein* 8 years...I don't think any were.

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if they are knowingly doing wrong, you're damned right they should be ML>charged...

Yet all through the *Hussein* 8 years...I don't think any were.

Tim, are you using a QWK reader or something? Your message is addressed to
me, but it looks more like one of those life-lesson messages for Mark :)

..But I want to comment on it anyway:

Mark said "if they're knowingly doing wrong they should be charged," but how can illegal aliens be expected to know the laws here when they entered illegally? When I illegally enter countries, I don't usually study their
legal system extensively while planning my trip. :)

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On 08-19-19 10:51, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Tim Richardson about Re: The manifesto <=-

if they are knowingly doing wrong, you're damned right they should be
charged...

Mark said "if they're knowingly doing wrong they should be charged,"
but how can illegal aliens be expected to know the laws here when they entered illegally? When I illegally enter countries, I don't usually
study their legal system extensively while planning my trip. :)

You lost part of the thread. The "They" in Mark's statement was not the illegal aliens, but the people (or corporations) who hire them.

Dale Shipp
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On 2019 Aug 19 10:51:50, you wrote to TIM RICHARDSON:

if they are knowingly doing wrong, you're damned right they should
be charged...

Yet all through the *Hussein* 8 years...I don't think any were.

Tim, are you using a QWK reader or something? Your message is
addressed to me, but it looks more like one of those life-lesson
messages for Mark :)

tim does that on purpose because he doesn't like talking to me any more... he hopes i won't read his misinformation and counter it with facts...

..But I want to comment on it anyway:

Mark said "if they're knowingly doing wrong they should be charged," but how can illegal aliens be expected to know the laws here when they

entered

illegally? When I illegally enter countries, I don't usually study
their legal system extensively while planning my trip. :)

1. "they" in my statement is the companies/corporations hiring immigrants...
2. immigrants have a year from their entry to file their paperwork...
3. immigrants are not illegal until that one year anniversary passes...
4. nothing says that immigrants HAVE to enter via one of the entry ports...

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On 2019 Aug 20 01:40:00, you wrote to Aaron Thomas:

if they are knowingly doing wrong, you're damned right they should
be charged...

Mark said "if they're knowingly doing wrong they should be charged,"
but how can illegal aliens be expected to know the laws here when
they entered illegally? When I illegally enter countries, I don't
usually study their legal system extensively while planning my trip.
:)

You lost part of the thread. The "They" in Mark's statement was not
the illegal aliens, but the people (or corporations) who hire them.

that is correct, dale... thank you :)

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I'll tell you the same thing I used to tell the rest of the lefties in here;

I am not your research assistant. Its out there. find it yourself!

The other thing I like to tell them is that the internet isn't always my source; some stuff isn't linkable.

some stuff isn't TRUE
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On 2019 Aug 16 20:11:36, you wrote to me:

what ""free ride""?? they're working aren't they? that makes them not
freeloaders...

While working a job is honorable, it's dishonorable to step on the
backs of those who obeyed the law on their journey to the USA.

who's backs are being stepped on?

All of those who played by the rules.
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tim does that on purpose because he doesn't like talking to me any

He's hilarious!

1. "they" in my statement is the companies/corporations hiring immigrants... 2. immigrants have a year from their entry to file their

So I've been wondering, why would you want businesses to be punished for
hiring exploitables? Do we prefer to have them on public assistance than to
be working? That way we can train them to be democrats?

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On 2019 Aug 22 11:10:58, you wrote to me:

what ""free ride""?? they're working aren't they? that makes them
not freeloaders...

While working a job is honorable, it's dishonorable to step on the
backs of those who obeyed the law on their journey to the USA.

who's backs are being stepped on?

All of those who played by the rules.

and those are whom?? are they not allowed to work and pay taxes during the year they are here before they have to file?

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On 2019 Aug 22 09:29:54, you wrote to me:

tim does that on purpose because he doesn't like talking to me any

He's hilarious!

1. "they" in my statement is the companies/corporations hiring
immigrants... 2. immigrants have a year from their entry to file their

So I've been wondering, why would you want businesses to be punished for hiring exploitables?

you are also an "exploitable" ya know... stop trying to denigrate others like that... it is unbecoming...

i want business to be punished for hiring known persons who have been here longer than allowed by law and who have not gotten an extension... those businesses are breaking the law and they are not above the law...

Do we prefer to have them on public assistance than to be working?

some working americans have to work two or more jobs and still be on public assistance...

That way we can train them to be democrats?

you don't train someone to be a democrat any more than you train a fascist nazi to be a republican... grow up...

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On 08-19-19, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

if they are knowingly doing wrong, you're damned right they should be ML>charged...

Yet all through the *Hussein* 8 years...I don't think any were.

Tim, are you using a QWK reader or something?

Yeah...I probably didn't bring up the name I meant that remark for.

Mark said "if they're knowingly doing wrong they should be charged,"

Illegal aliens definitely *know* there is a system in place to legally enter this country, or apply for entry. So does the Congress.


The BIGGEST problem is we have had presidents, and still have members of both houses of Congress, who will NOT enforce our laws.


It is the height of hypocrisy when you see politicians in front of microphones with cameras rolling saying things like; `we are a country of laws'! `We are
a system of laws'!

how can illegal aliens be expected to know the laws here when they entered AT>illegally? When I illegally enter countries, I don't usually study their AT>legal system extensively while planning my trip. :)

We have a system of laws that govern the *legal* application for entry; also for immigration; and rules and procedures for applying for assylum here.


Sneaking in across a desert area, climbing over a fence, mobbing a border station and running into the country, then scattering in all directions, is
not part of the lawful procedure. Nor is defrauding the system by using children not even related to those arriving in order to gain entry. That is also `illegal'.


Laws were passed quite a few presidents ago making it illegal for employers to hire anyone here illegally. But they do it anyway. Up till now I've never
heard of anyone being prosecuted for that. Were the entire owner and administration group of the poultry processing companies recently raided and
so many illegals arrested prosecuted such that they paid a substantial fine *per* illegal employed, PLUS their business closed down....fewer and fewer employers would hire illegals....and fewer and fewer illegals would enter the country illegally.


The vast majority of them are only coming here for jobs (which Americans
need), and don't want to become part of this country. If they did....they wouldn't arrive here waving the flag of another country.







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On 08-20-19, MARK LEWIS said to AARON THOMAS:

On 2019 Aug 19 10:51:50, you wrote to TIM RICHARDSON:

if they are knowingly doing wrong, you're damned right they should
be charged...

Yet all through the *Hussein* 8 years...I don't think any were.

Tim, are you using a QWK reader or something? Your message is
addressed to me, but it looks more like one of those life-lesson
messages for Mark :)

tim does that on purpose because he doesn't like talking to me any more... ML>he hopes i won't read his misinformation and counter it with facts...

I do do that `on purpose' but not for the reason Lewis gives here.


In fact, Lewis doesn't know the reason I do that.


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you are also an "exploitable" ya know... stop trying to denigrate others like that... it is unbecoming...

It's not fair to call people who break the law "immigrants" or "migrants." That's like calling drug dealers "pharmacists."

i want business to be punished for hiring known persons who have been

Punished for what? It's not illegal to use loopholes to manipulate the law.

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Illegal aliens definitely *know* there is a system in place to legally

I think so too, but some of our Fido friends are suggesting that they are
just as innocent as migratory birds who come for a short stay.

The BIGGEST problem is we have had presidents, and still have members of both houses of Congress, who will NOT enforce our laws.

I don't know what you mean? How can Congress enforce the law? I've been
hearing stories about liberal criminal court justices & city officials who won't enforce the laws- those who refuse to cooperate with ICE, helping illegals escape through back doors, etc.

Sneaking in across a desert area, climbing over a fence, mobbing a border station and running into the country, then scattering in all directions,

These things you've mentioned are things that our liberal friends have suggested are "legal as long as they apply for asylum afterwards." I could probably rob a bank and it's ok as long as I "apply for asylum afterwards."

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1. "they" in my statement is the companies/corporations hiring immigrants... 2. immigrants have a year from their entry to file their

So I've been wondering, why would you want businesses to be punished for hiring exploitables? Do we prefer to have them on public assistance than to be working? That way we can train them to be democrats?

Illegal immigrants should not receive assistance on anything other than getting
out of the country.

Companies that employ them should be fined and shut down if they don�t stop the
behavior.
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On 08-23-19 10:56, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: The manifesto <=-

It's not fair to call people who break the law "immigrants" or
"migrants." That's like calling drug dealers "pharmacists."

Consider that the only law they have violated has the same severity as jaywalking. Your analogy is seriously flawed.

i want business to be punished for hiring known persons who have been

Punished for what? It's not illegal to use loopholes to manipulate the law.

They are not using loopholes -- they are violating the law, as well as
aiding and abetting the undocumented workers to do so.

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Companies that employ them should be fined and shut down if they don�t stop the behavior.

I agree with you, but why would democrats want the companies penalized? That only hurts their precious illegal immigrants.

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On 2019 Aug 22 11:10:58, you wrote to me:

what ""free ride""?? they're working aren't they? that makes them
not freeloaders...

While working a job is honorable, it's dishonorable to step on the
backs of those who obeyed the law on their journey to the USA.

who's backs are being stepped on?

All of those who played by the rules.

and those are whom??

Everybody who entered the country legally.

are they not allowed to work and pay taxes during the year

they are here before they have to file?

If they entered the country legally they cab work and pay texes right away.
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you are also an "exploitable" ya know... stop trying to denigrate

others

like that... it is unbecoming...

It's not fair to call people who break the law "immigrants" or "migrants." That's like calling drug dealers "pharmacists."

i want business to be punished for hiring known persons who have been

Punished for what? It's not illegal to use loopholes to manipulate the law.

Um, it may be LEGAL but certainly isn't moral or ethical
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On 2019 Aug 23 10:56:58, you wrote to me:

you are also an "exploitable" ya know... stop trying to denigrate
others like that... it is unbecoming...

It's not fair to call people who break the law "immigrants" or

"migrants."

no one is other than you lot...

besides, they, law breakers and immigrants, are two separate things and one can be a member of both or a member of only one... stop trying to twist things around...

That's like calling drug dealers "pharmacists."

they may be if they have a degree in pharmaceuticals... there were some pharmacists near here that were busted for growing pot some years back...

i want business to be punished for hiring known persons who have been

Punished for what? It's not illegal to use loopholes to manipulate the

law.

they're not manipulating the law... they are breaking it by hiring illegals who are not elegible for hire...

)\/(ark

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On 2019 Aug 24 08:48:54, you wrote to Al Miller:

Companies that employ them should be fined and shut down if they
don�t stop the behavior.

I agree with you, but why would democrats

who are you calling a democrat?

want the companies penalized? That only hurts their precious illegal immigrants.

no... you're putting words in others' mouths, again... besides the fact that they belong to no one so they are not "their precious illegal immigrants"...

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On 2019 Aug 24 12:30:38, you wrote to me:

All of those who played by the rules.

and those are whom??

Everybody who entered the country legally.

ok so once again tell us how someone enters the USA illegally, please...

are they not allowed to work and pay taxes during the year
they are here before they have to file?

If they entered the country legally they cab work and pay texes right

away.

see above and explain how one is to legally enter the USA...

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Companies that employ them should be fined and shut down if they don�t stop the behavior.

I agree with you, but why would democrats want the companies penalized?

That

only hurts their precious illegal immigrants.

Lol.... can�t help there.
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On 08-23-19, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Illegal aliens definitely *know* there is a system in place to legally

I think so too, but some of our Fido friends are suggesting that they are AT>just as innocent as migratory birds who come for a short stay.

Yeah....well here's some info that throws water on that suggestion....be right back; I gotta hunt something up.......


Ok, here's some info that knocks the liberal's `innocent migrants' notion into a cocked hat:


First of all very few Americans know the real extent of fraudulent ID use by illegal aliens.


Through Freedom of Information lawsuits it was learned that around 39 million Americans had their identities stolen by illegal aliens working in the United States during Hussein Obama's administration.


There is (or was) what is known as a `no match' letter that was sent to employers who had employees who's SSN info didn't `match' up with known or pending SSN information.


When Hussein Obama implimented the `Defered Action fo Child Arrivals (DACA) he discontinued the `no-match' letters practice.


As a result there were MILLIONS of SSN's that were fraudulently used for employment....credit cards....loans....etc etc.....


A little known fact.....every year there are untold numbers of taxpayers made to defend against the IRS over unreported income. Income they didn't know they were (supposedly) making due to someone out there using their SSN and
accounts.


Social Security numbers of young people are especially valued in that young people don't use their numbers until they begin their employment history in their late teens or early twenties.


By then....an illegal alien has been using their SSN fraudulently for many years already.

The BIGGEST problem is we have had presidents, and still have members of both houses of Congress, who will NOT enforce our laws.

I don't know what you mean? How can Congress enforce the law?

They will not stiffen the laws already in place. They will also not stop confirming judges they know will come up with some work-around decisions that circumvent the `intent' of laws that are already in place.

I've been
hearing stories about liberal criminal court justices & city officials who AT>won't enforce the laws- those who refuse to cooperate with ICE, helping AT>illegals escape through back doors, etc.

Sneaking in across a desert area, climbing over a fence, mobbing a border station and running into the country, then scattering in all directions,

These things you've mentioned are things that our liberal friends have AT>suggested are "legal as long as they apply for asylum afterwards." I could AT>probably rob a bank and it's ok as long as I "apply for asylum AT>afterwards."

Like stealing coffee and donuts from a 7-11 and saying you intended to pay `afterwards'.


Leftie liberals like to tell people `illegal immigration' is a "victimless crime".


It's not!


BTW....I have certain info that sheds light on why Mexico does nothing to stem the flow of illegals across our southern border. Gotta hunt it up.








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On 2019 Aug 24 12:30:38, you wrote to me:

All of those who played by the rules.

and those are whom??

Everybody who entered the country legally.

ok so once again tell us how someone enters the USA illegally, please...

One crosses the border without DIRST getting permission to do so
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On 2019 Aug 31 12:55:58, you wrote to me:

All of those who played by the rules.

and those are whom??

Everybody who entered the country legally.

ok so once again tell us how someone enters the USA illegally,
please...

One crosses the border without DIRST getting permission to do so

that is NOT a requirement... if you think it is, you need to study immigration law some more...

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that is NOT a requirement... if you think it is, you need to study immigration law some more...

A border crossing in the U.S. will be subject to the authority exercised through the Department of
Homeland Security, a U.S. governmental federal agency, through various administrative and
enforcement divisions. Accordingly, a border crossing which occurs in the manner generally meant
by this terminology, which is to say illegally, will accordingly come under the
coverage of the U.S.
Border Patrol, as is tasked with preventing such occurrences.
If the particular instance of an unlawful border crossing occurs with success, then the illegally
resident immigrant to the U.S. can then become subject to the effort of deportation proceedings
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On 2019 Sep 01 20:21:08, you wrote to me:

that is NOT a requirement... if you think it is, you need to study
immigration law some more...

A border crossing in the U.S. will be subject to the authority exercised

[...]

i see words but no citation...

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-unit ed-states

----->8 snip 8<-----
To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status *regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status*. ----->8 snip 8<-----

emphasis mine...

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----->8 snip 8<-----
To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status *regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status*. ----->8 snip 8<-----

emphasis mine...

From the same site: https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/q uestions-and-answers-asylum-
eligibility-and-applications


You may apply for asylum if you are at a port of entry or in the United States.
You may apply for
asylum regardless of your immigration status and within one year of your arrival to the United
States.

See the port of entry part......
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----->8 snip 8<-----
To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum

status

*regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status*. ----->8 snip 8<-----

emphasis mine...

From the same site: https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/q uestions-and-answers-asylum-
eligibility-and-applications

You may apply for asylum if you are at a port of entry or in the United States. You may apply for
asylum regardless of your immigration status and within one year of your arrival to the United
States.

See the port of entry part......

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You may apply for asylum if you are at a port of entry or in the United States. You may apply for
asylum regardless of your immigration status and within one year of your arrival to the United
States.

See the port of entry part......

Wow feeling slow today - �or in the UNited States�
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On 2019 Sep 02 18:28:10, you wrote to me:

See the port of entry part......

so did you miss the

regardless of how you arrived in the United States

part?

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On 02 Sep 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Sep 01 20:21:08, you wrote to me:

that is NOT a requirement... if you think it is, you need to study
immigration law some more...

A border crossing in the U.S. will be subject to the authority

exerci

[...]

i see words but no citation...

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum

ed-states

----->8 snip 8<-----
To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status *regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status*. ----->8 snip 8<-----

emphasis mine...

As you can see it is a more complicated then you have indicated.

All of this can be verified as the correct procedure at the following website https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/affirmative-asylum-pr ocess
or in smaller form
https://tinyurl.com/y7ep3q26

The Affirmative Asylum Process

The following steps explain how you apply for asylum in the United States through the affirmative asylum process. The information in this section will not apply to you if you are seeking asylum through the defensive asylum process, meaning you are in removal proceedings before an immigration judge.

For information about the defensive asylum process, see the Obtaining Asylum
in the United States page on USCIS.gov.

STEP ONE: Arrive in the U.S.
To apply for asylum in the U.S., you must be physically present in the U.S.


STEP TWO: Apply for Asylum
To apply for asylum, you should file Form I-589, Application for Asylum and
for Withholding of Removal, with USCIS within one year of your last arrival
in the United States (unless you qualify for an exception to the one-year filing deadline).

Do not submit a completed fingerprint card (FD-258) or fingerprint fee with your application. Your application will be accepted without the fingerprint card attached.

More information about how to file your application can be found in the instructions for Form I-589 (PDF, 156 KB).

For information on asylum eligibility, see the Asylum Eligibility and Applications page on USCIS.gov.


STEP THREE: Fingerprinting and Background/Security Checks
You should read the ASC Appointment Notice and take it with you to your fingerprinting appointment at the ASC. You do not need to pay a
fingerprinting fee as an asylum applicant.

If you are also requesting asylum status for your spouse and children and
they are with you in the U.S., they will need to go with you to your ASC appointment.

More information is available on our Preparing for Your Biometric Services Appointment page.


STEP FOUR: Receive an Interview Notice
Depending on where you live, we will schedule you for an interview with an asylum officer either at one of the eight asylum offices, the two asylum sub-offices, or at a USCIS field office (“circuit ride location”). For
more information about USCIS field and asylum offices, visit our Find A USCIS Office page. Your interview notice will tell you the date, location, and time of your asylum interview.

As of January 29, 2018, the USCIS Asylum Division is scheduling asylum interviews in the following order of priority:*

First priority: Applications that were scheduled for an interview, but the interview had to be rescheduled at the applicant’s request or the needs of USCIS; Second priority: Applications that have been pending 21 days or less since
filing;
Third priority: All other pending affirmative asylum applications will be scheduled for interviews starting with newer filings and working back towards older filings.

*This scheduling approach was first established following the asylum reforms
of 1995 (PDF, 22 KB), and was in place previously for 20 years.

Workload priorities related to border enforcement may affect our ability to schedule all new applications for an interview within 21 days.

Asylum office directors may consider, on a case-by-case basis, an urgent request to be scheduled for an interview outside of the priority order listed above. Please submit any urgent interview scheduling requests in writing to
the asylum office with jurisdiction over your case. Go to the USCIS Service
and Office Locator page for contact information.

For asylum applicants who live far from an asylum office or an asylum sub-office, asylum offices schedule asylum interviews at USCIS field offices ("circuit ride" locations) as resources permit. Please contact the asylum office with jurisdiction over your case for more detailed information.

See Affirmative Asylum Interview Scheduling for more information.


STEP FIVE: Interview
You may bring an attorney or accredited representative to the interview. You must also bring your spouse and any children seeking derivative asylum
benefits to the interview.

If you cannot proceed with the interview in English you must bring an interpreter.

The interview will generally last about an hour, although the time may vary depending on the case. You may also bring witnesses to testify on your behalf.

For more information about your asylum interview, see our Web page on
Preparing for Your Asylum Interview.


STEP SIX: Asylum Officer Makes Determination on Eligibility and Supervisory Asylum Officer Reviews the Decision

You must meet the definition of a refugee in order to be eligible for asylum.

The asylum officer will determine whether you:

Are eligible to apply for asylum,
Meet the definition of a refugee in section 101(a)(42)(A) of the INA, and
Are barred from being granted asylum under section 208(b)(2) of the INA.

A supervisory asylum officer reviews the asylum officer’s decision to ensure


STEP SEVEN: Receive Decision
In most cases, you will return to the asylum office to pick up the decision
two weeks after the asylum officer interviewed you.

Longer processing times may be required if you:

Are currently in valid immigration status,
Were interviewed at a USCIS field office,
Have pending security checks, or
Have a case that is being reviewed by asylum division staff at USCIS headquarters.

We will normally mail your decision to you in these situations.

For more information on the types of asylum decisions issued by USCIS, see
our Web page on Types of Asylum Decisions.

Additional information on the affirmative asylum process is available on our Resources for Asylum Applicants page.

You can check your case status online. All you need is the receipt number
that we mailed you after you filed your application. Start here: uscis.gov/casestatus.

Additionally...

Under United States law, a refugee is someone who:
Is located outside of the United States
Is of special humanitarian concern to the United States
Demonstrates that they were persecuted or fear persecution due to race,
religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular
social group.

Is not firmly resettled in another country
Is admissible to the United States

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On 2019 Sep 02 18:28:10, you wrote to me:

See the port of entry part......

so did you miss the

regardless of how you arrived in the United States

part?

Uh - Yes I did :)
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Re: Re: The manifesto
By: Al Miller to mark lewis on Mon Sep 02 2019 06:28 pm

You may apply for asylum if you are at a port of entry or in the United States. You may apply for
asylum regardless of your immigration status and within one year of your arrival to the United
States.

I am not familiar with USA laws there, but don't you need a
compelling reason for asylum to be granted after you ask for
it? The whole purpose of asylum is to offer protection to people
who is being chased by regimes that don't respect human rights
very much.

I would expect that if I crossed a border without invitation
and requested asylum, they would ask me why I want it. I would
also expect that if I told that the Great Leader of some
communist regime wanted to imprison me because I wrote an ugly
article about he, I would be granted asylum. What I am not sure
I would get is asylum for being poor or unemployed in my country
of origin.
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On 2019 Sep 03 19:26:12, you wrote to me:

See the port of entry part......

so did you miss the

regardless of how you arrived in the United States

part?

Uh - Yes I did :)

you're not the first and won't be the last... even if it has specific emphasis added as i did to the statement with the * bold attributes ;)

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On 09-04-19 13:57, Richard Falken <=-
spoke to Al Miller about Re: The manifesto <=-

Curious -- what country are you from? You are posting from a USA BBS (perfectly ok) but sound like you are from another country based on your comments.

You may apply for asylum if you are at a port of entry or in the United States. You may apply for
asylum regardless of your immigration status and within one year of your arrival to the United
States.

I am not familiar with USA laws there, but don't you need a
compelling reason for asylum to be granted after you ask for
it? The whole purpose of asylum is to offer protection to people
who is being chased by regimes that don't respect human rights
very much.

True.

I would expect that if I crossed a border without invitation
and requested asylum, they would ask me why I want it. I would
also expect that if I told that the Great Leader of some
communist regime wanted to imprison me because I wrote an ugly
article about he, I would be granted asylum.

Also true.

What I am not sure
I would get is asylum for being poor or unemployed in my country
of origin.

Also true.

However, if your reason for requesting asylum was because the gangs
where you were told you that you either had to let your ten year old son
be initiated into the gang or that they would kill your entire family --
that should be enough. In the regions where the southern immigrates are
coming from, that is not atypical. The region is more controlled by the
gangs than by the government.

Dale Shipp
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Re: Re: The manifesto
By: Dale Shipp to Richard Falken on Fri Sep 06 2019 02:00 am

Curious -- what country are you from? You are posting from a USA BBS (perfectly ok) but sound like you are from another country based on your comments.

Funny thing, I am a Spaniard, and I am connecting to
vert.synchro.net using a shell service in Northern
Europe.

Gotta love the Internet, it makes the world so small.
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I am not familiar with USA laws there, but don't you need a
compelling reason for asylum to be granted after you ask for
it? The whole purpose of asylum is to offer protection to people

The USA is so liberal that we say what you just said, but then we turn our backs and let the fake refugees do as they please; even let them get away
with murder because it's more liberal than putting them in jail.

Meanwhile, people who really are trying to escape oppressive governments can't walk to the USA; so they die while the fake ones get a free ride.

I'm not in agreement with illegal immigration, but due to our flawed liberal laws, the best thing for real refugees to do is to swim here from the middle east & enter from Mexico. With all the raping and pillaging being done by our central american neighbors, we don't have time to review any actual asylum requests. Sneaking in is perfectly fine and the time couldn't be better.

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On 2019 Sep 07 01:23:10, you wrote to Richard Falken:

I am not familiar with USA laws there, but don't you need a
compelling reason for asylum to be granted after you ask for it? The
whole purpose of asylum is to offer protection to people

The USA is so liberal

do you even know what liberal is?
do you call everyone who is left of your personal views a liberal?
do you even realize that the entire US political spectrum is much further right that it was in nixon's day?

if nixon was alive today, he'd say that our entire political spectrum is ultra-right... "you kids" really don't have a clue what is liberal or conservative... you just like throwing terms around in some misguided attempt at stirring controversy to get a laugh...

do you even understand that:
a conservative democrat and a liberal republican are virtually the same?
the only real difference is the blue "D" or red "R" they carry?
that those two views overlap in many ways?

do you even understand that there's more than just "left" and "right" in politics?

once again, i invite you and others to visit the political compass site and take their test to see where you lay in the spectrum based on the questions given...

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

i've posted it before but no one has responded that they did visit the site, that they took the test, nor has anyone even given a hint as to their score... could the test be better? sure... there is no middle ground for those questions where someone may not know the topic and don't care one way or the other about it... is the test accurate? for what it endeavors to graph, sure... it works for what it is intended to do...

i'm old enough to remember that virtually every pickup truck had a gun rack in the back window... when people fought with their fists instead of grabbing for a gun or knife... i'm old enough to remember carrying a hunting rifle or shotgun to school so i could hunt small game on the way home... i'm old enough to remember when helping others was a good thing... i'm old enough to remember when "red" was a sign of communism... i'm old enough to remember when the N-word applied to all races/colors/creeds and meant liar, thief, con-man...

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Hello mark,

I am not familiar with USA laws there, but don't you need a >RF>>compelling reason for asylum to be granted after you ask for it? The >RF>>whole purpose of asylum is to offer protection to people

The USA is so liberal

do you even know what liberal is?

Yes.

do you call everyone who is left of your personal views a liberal?

Yes.

do you even realize that the entire US political spectrum is much further
right that it was in nixon's day?

That is only true because Donald Trump's three rivals for the
Republican nomination are no longer in office.

The latest Gallup Poll results show the job approval among
Republicans for Donald Trump at 88%. Richard Nixon's best showing
was 84% (among Republicans). Not sure what job approval rating
George McGovern had, but he was never a Republican or a president.

if nixon was alive today, he'd say that our entire political spectrum is
ultra-right...

Donald Trump is to the right of Richard Nixon.
Mike Pence is to the right of Donald Trump.
Anybody to the right of Mike Pence is off the chart.

"you kids" really don't have a clue what is liberal or conservative...

Richard Nixon was paranoid. But that never stopped him from
playing "Give My Regards to Broadway" on piano at the Grand Ol' Opry.
I'm just glad he never tried to sing it, unlike Margaret Truman.

you just like throwing terms around in some misguided attempt at stirring
controversy to get a laugh...

Richard Nixon was the only president in history who has performed
live at the Grand Ol' Opry.

do you even understand that:
a conservative democrat and a liberal republican are virtually the same?
the only real difference is the blue "D" or red "R" they carry?
that those two views overlap in many ways?

George Wallace said that. He was right then. But that was decades
ago, and is no longer true today. What we have now is neo-cons and
neo-libs. Both groups are right-wing, the only difference being
neo-libs are slightly less authoritarian than neo-cons.

do you even understand that there's more than just "left" and "right" in
politics?

Relative to what? That is the question. Otherwise, such labels
are meaningless.

once again, i invite you and others to visit the political compass site and
take their test to see where you lay in the spectrum based on the questions given...

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

Did you take the test? I did. And the results showed I was
certifiable. Not only that, but I was allowed to print it, and
frame it, proving that I have been officially certified.

i've posted it before but no one has responded that they did visit the site,
that they took the test, nor has anyone even given a hint as to their score...

Okay. Time for Show & Tell.

This document certifies that
Mad Cajun
inhabits the left libertarian quadrant of
The Political Compass
Sunday 8 September 2019

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

Your turn.

could the test be better? sure...

This is only a test ...
This is only a test ...
This is only a test ...

there is no middle ground for those questions where someone may not know the
topic and don't care one way or the other about it... is the test accurate? for what it endeavors to graph, sure... it works for what it is intended to do...

There are other tests of this type that can be found online.
One such test had a very strong slant towards libertarianism.
Not very accurate, but loads of fun to take. :)

i'm old enough to remember that virtually every pickup truck had a gun rack
in the back window... when people fought with their fists instead of
grabbing for a gun or knife... i'm old enough to remember carrying a
hunting rifle or shotgun to school so i could hunt small game on the way home... i'm old enough to remember when helping others was a good thing... i'm old enough to remember when "red" was a sign of communism... i'm old enough to remember when the N-word applied to all races/colors/creeds and meant liar, thief, con-man...

I'm old enough to remember having to tutor Native Americans whose
only means of transportation to get to and from school was on a boat.

--Lee

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> However, if your reason for requesting asylum was because the gangs

where you were told you that you either had to let your ten year old son
be initiated into the gang or that they would kill your entire family -- that should be enough. In the regions where the southern immigrates are coming from, that is not atypical. The region is more controlled by the gangs than by the government.

So basically you want to allow anyone who can get to the US to be able to just become a citizen?

I don�t have an issue allowing people in that the country has a �need� for their skills. I don't like the
idea of just allowing anyone that can make up any story to just be allowed in. It makes for a bunch
of minimum wage people that we will likely all end up paying for in the long run.

The next statement is for every decision we make and isn�t directed at either party alone:

Our country is going deeper in debt every year and until we balance the budget we need to think
through the cost impact of these decisions or one day we wont have a country and all the cry
babies saying how bad the USA is right now will see what bad really is.
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On 09-09-19 19:31, Al Miller <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: The manifesto <=-

However, if your reason for requesting asylum was because the gangs
where you were told you that you either had to let your ten year old son
be initiated into the gang or that they would kill your entire family -- that should be enough. In the regions where the southern immigrates are coming from, that is not atypical. The region is more controlled by the gangs than by the government.

So basically you want to allow anyone who can get to the US to be able
to just become a citizen?

I never said anyone. I said those who have a legitimate reason for
seeking asylum. In some cases that is a real fear for the safety of
themselves and their children. The USA has laws that allow such people
to appeal for asylum once they enter the country and for a judge to hear
their case to decide if it is acceptable.

I don�t have an issue allowing people in that the country has a �need�
for their skills. I don't like the
idea of just allowing anyone that can make up any story to just be
allowed in. It makes for a bunch
of minimum wage people that we will likely all end up paying for in
the long run.

It makes for a bunch of people who are willing and able to work and
contribute to the economy. Who do you think picks your fruit and
vegetables in the fields. Who do you think does the cleaning and other
low level jobs in the hotel industry -- including Trump's golf courses.
Once they are here, "these people" usually prove to be a benefit to
society. They pay taxes, including social security and medicare.

The next statement is for every decision we make and isn�t directed at either party alone:

Our country is going deeper in debt every year and until we balance
the budget we need to think
through the cost impact of these decisions or one day we wont have a country and all the cry
babies saying how bad the USA is right now will see what bad really
is.

The immigrates are not the cause of increasing national debt. The cause
for that are things like military spending and tax cuts for the wealthy.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Dale,

However, if your reason for requesting asylum was because the gangs
where you were told you that you either had to let your ten year old son
be initiated into the gang or that they would kill your entire family -- >>that should be enough. In the regions where the southern immigrates are >>coming from, that is not atypical. The region is more controlled by the >>gangs than by the government.

So basically you want to allow anyone who can get to the US to be able >AM>to just become a citizen?

I never said anyone. I said those who have a legitimate reason for
seeking asylum. In some cases that is a real fear for the safety of >themselves and their children. The USA has laws that allow such people
to appeal for asylum once they enter the country and for a judge to hear >their case to decide if it is acceptable.

Many people may have a legitimate reason for seeking asylum, but
are unable to show or document their reasons. In addition, just
because they have a legitimate reason(s) for seeking asylum does
not mean the US will grant them asylum, or even give them fair
consideration.

The only thing the US does is allow them to file a claim, and to
grant them an appeal if their original claim is denied.

I don�t have an issue allowing people in that the country has a �need� >AM>for their skills. I don't like the
idea of just allowing anyone that can make up any story to just be >AM>allowed in. It makes for a bunch
of minimum wage people that we will likely all end up paying for in
the long run.

It makes for a bunch of people who are willing and able to work and >contribute to the economy. Who do you think picks your fruit and
vegetables in the fields. Who do you think does the cleaning and other
low level jobs in the hotel industry -- including Trump's golf courses.
Once they are here, "these people" usually prove to be a benefit to
society. They pay taxes, including social security and medicare.

Documented workers are fine, as they are doing so legally. It is
undocumented workers that are a problem. Even more so, employers who
continue to hire them, and not be prosecuted.

The next statement is for every decision we make and isn�t directed at >AM>either party alone:

Our country is going deeper in debt every year and until we balance
the budget we need to think
through the cost impact of these decisions or one day we wont have a >AM>country and all the cry
babies saying how bad the USA is right now will see what bad really
is.

The immigrates are not the cause of increasing national debt. The cause
for that are things like military spending and tax cuts for the wealthy.

Statistics prove your point.

--Lee

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So basically you want to allow anyone who can get to the US to be able to just become a citizen?

I never said anyone. I said those who have a legitimate reason for
seeking asylum. In some cases that is a real fear for the safety of themselves and their children. The USA has laws that allow such people
to appeal for asylum once they enter the country and for a judge to hear their case to decide if it is acceptable.

No issue here

I don�t have an issue allowing people in that the country has a �need� for their skills. I don't like the
idea of just allowing anyone that can make up any story to just be allowed in. It makes for a bunch
of minimum wage people that we will likely all end up paying for in
the long run.

It makes for a bunch of people who are willing and able to work and contribute to the economy. Who do you think picks your fruit and
vegetables in the fields. Who do you think does the cleaning and other
low level jobs in the hotel industry -- including Trump's golf courses.
Once they are here, "these people" usually prove to be a benefit to
society. They pay taxes, including social security and medicare.

If that were true I'd be fine but they make minimum wage and need government assistance which guess who pays for?

Not sure what Trump has to do with this discussion other then to bring liberals
together screaming at the moon and crying their eyes out. His opinion doesn't matter to me.

The next statement is for every decision we make and isn�t directed at either party alone:

Our country is going deeper in debt every year and until we balance
the budget we need to think
through the cost impact of these decisions or one day we wont have a country and all the cry
babies saying how bad the USA is right now will see what bad really
is.

The immigrates are not the cause of increasing national debt. The cause
for that are things like military spending and tax cuts for the wealthy.

If they cost me a penny I don't want them here, if they pay their way without government assistance and they don't work illegally I'm fine with them. Its really that simple.

I want our budget balanced before we take on more problems and they are not all
plus and no minus.

If we stop spending on the military we wont be safe - not looking to debate that with you just pointing out that I disagree.
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Documented workers are fine, as they are doing so legally. It is undocumented workers that are a problem. Even more so, employers who continue to hire them, and not be prosecuted.

Now this I agree with.

The immigrates are not the cause of increasing national debt. The cause >for that are things like military spending and tax cuts for the wealthy.

Statistics prove your point.

If you are telling me folks coming in and earning minimum wage picking my fruit
don't cost me more money on the back end when they get welfare and have health problems I don't buy it and Without a balanced budget why spend anything supporting folks that migrate to our country illegally.
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