• Trump Revelation

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to All on Thu Oct 31 13:55:36 2024
    Trump revealed something today at his Albuquerque, NM rally:

    When he plays video clips at the rally, the media doesn't show the content of the video clip. Instead, the media just shows Trump standing while the video clip plays.

    The reason they don't: The content of the video clips incriminates Democrats.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Oct 31 13:11:00 2024
    When he plays video clips at the rally, the media doesn't show the content of the video clip. Instead, the media just shows Trump standing while the video clip plays.

    Really!?

    The reason they don't: The content of the video clips incriminates Democrats.

    Do you have evidence of said incriminations?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Nov 1 00:16:46 2024
    When he plays video clips at the rally, the media doesn't show the conte the video clip. Instead, the media just shows Trump standing while the v clip plays.

    Really!?

    The reason they don't: The content of the video clips incriminates Democ

    Do you have evidence of said incriminations?

    Trump does, and he showed it to me and to thousands of other people. Video evidence of deaths caused by Joe and Kamala's decisions, and evidence of the victims' families clearly blaming Joe and Kamala for it. Not incriminations that will put Joe and Kamala in jail, but incriminations that will put them at odds with God.

    If you want to see the evidence, you need to go to a Trump rally, or find amateur video footage of Trump's video clips taken by rally-goers.

    But what would you do with the evidence if you saw it? Wouldn't you want to hide from it?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 1 01:09:38 2024
    But what would you do with the evidence if you saw it? Wouldn't you want to hide from it?

    Why would I want to hide from the evidence? I seek truth.

    I saw Donald and a guy who used to work for Fox news, Tucker Carlson chatting about stuff.

    Donald put out a hit on Liz Cheney and Tucker was all giggles. It was encoded but clear.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Nov 1 06:46:28 2024
    But what would you do with the evidence if you saw it? Wouldn't you want hide from it?

    Why would I want to hide from the evidence? I seek truth.

    Because the evidence also incriminates people who support Democrats.

    Donald put out a hit on Liz Cheney and Tucker was all giggles. It was encoded but clear.

    Trump hired an assassin to kill Liz Cheney? That's un-American.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 1 08:53:00 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

    The reason they don't: The content of the video clips incriminates Democrats.

    That makes no sense at all.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 1 08:55:00 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    If you want to see the evidence, you need to go to a Trump rally, or
    find amateur video footage of Trump's video clips taken by rally-goers.

    You'd think that there'd be amateur video footage of the atrocities on
    YouTube. Unless YouTube is WOKE. Maybe YouTube is hiding the footage so
    as to mask their ANTI-WOKENESS?



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Alan Ianson on Fri Nov 1 08:56:00 2024
    Alan Ianson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    Donald put out a hit on Liz Cheney and Tucker was all giggles. It was encoded but clear.

    Was he wearing his proud boy ensemble? The black suit, gold tie, black
    and gold MAGA cap?



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Nov 1 09:02:00 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Why would I want to hide from the evidence? I seek truth.

    Because the evidence also incriminates people who support Democrats.

    The concept of "Country over Party" seems lost on Aaron.

    Donald put out a hit on Liz Cheney and Tucker was all giggles. It was encoded but clear.

    Trump hired an assassin to kill Liz Cheney? That's un-American.

    Nice straw-man argument.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Nov 1 09:57:00 2024
    When he plays video clips at the rally, the media doesn't show the content
    f
    the video clip. Instead, the media just shows Trump standing while the video >> clip plays.

    Really!?

    Aaron is right here, they usually don't show it. During the rally he got
    shot at, they did not show it but I assumed that was because he got shot
    at. I have seen other footage from later rallies where Trump shows the same graphic and the news does not show what is on the screen.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Nov 1 14:09:36 2024
    The reason they don't: The content of the video clips incriminates Democrats.

    That makes no sense at all.

    I know, it don't make sense for the media to try to hide stuff from people when it's their job to expose stuff. But this is what they've devolved into.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Nov 1 14:13:48 2024
    If you want to see the evidence, you need to go to a Trump rally, or find amateur video footage of Trump's video clips taken by rally-goer

    You'd think that there'd be amateur video footage of the atrocities on YouTube. Unless YouTube is WOKE. Maybe YouTube is hiding the footage so
    as to mask their ANTI-WOKENESS?

    Hiding the footage doesn't mask YT's anti-wokeness. Showing some of the footage would mask their anti-wokeness.

    But you can still listen to the audio from Trump's videos; they don't try to hide that, despite how much they'd like to. But they think that by omitting the video aspect of it, that people will be less likely to believe what's being said in the videos. (Anything to save the sinking ship.)

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Nov 2 00:26:06 2024
    Why would I want to hide from the evidence? I seek truth.

    Because the evidence also incriminates people who support Democrats.

    OK, what evidence?

    Donald put out a hit on Liz Cheney and Tucker was all giggles. It was
    encoded but clear.

    Trump hired an assassin to kill Liz Cheney? That's un-American.

    That's not what I said.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Nov 2 00:28:04 2024
    Donald put out a hit on Liz Cheney and Tucker was all giggles. It was
    encoded but clear.

    Was he wearing his proud boy ensemble? The black suit, gold tie, black
    and gold MAGA cap?

    I forget what he was wearing but his words were clear.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 2 00:33:08 2024
    Aaron is right here, they usually don't show it. During the rally he got shot at, they did not show it but I assumed that was because he got shot
    at. I have seen other footage from later rallies where Trump shows the same graphic and the news does not show what is on the screen.

    Trump was invited to 60 minutes. He could have presented anything he choose but he chose not to be there.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Nov 2 09:45:00 2024
    Aaron is right here, they usually don't show it. During the rally he got
    shot at, they did not show it but I assumed that was because he got shot
    at. I have seen other footage from later rallies where Trump shows the same >> graphic and the news does not show what is on the screen.

    Trump was invited to 60 minutes. He could have presented anything he choose but
    he chose not to be there.

    Valid observation.

    For those who are not aware:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/01/trump-60-minutes-interview-00182003


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Nov 2 10:02:00 2024
    Donald put out a hit on Liz Cheney and Tucker was all giggles. It was
    encoded but clear.

    Trump hired an assassin to kill Liz Cheney? That's un-American.

    Since Al doesn't like providing links, here are a couple and he is actually onto something (twice in one day, must be a record):

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/01/cheney-trump-firing-squad-threats-are- how-dictators-destroy-free-nations-00186707

    "Republican Presidential nominee Donald Trump's suggestion Thursday that former Rep. Liz Cheney should stand 'with nine barrels shooting at her' cast a menacing new shadow over the final days of the presidential race, stoking fresh backlash against the former president's frequent and increasingly violent threats targeting political opponents.

    "During a rally in Glendale, Arizona, on Thursday night, Trump referred to Cheney as a 'radical war hawk' before suggesting he hoped to see her staring down multiple gun barrels.

    "'Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?' Trump said. 'And let's see how she feels about it, you know, when the
    guns are trained on her face.'"

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-suggests-liz-cheney-should-face-firing-s quad-her-foreign-policy-stance-2024-11-01/

    "Arizona's top prosecutor said on Friday that her office was investigating whether Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump violated state law for suggesting a prominent critic should face gunfire in combat."

    After Trump got shot, the Republicans and MAGAs were all calling for an end
    to the "violent rhetoric" that supposedly caused it. How soon they forget.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sat Nov 2 17:47:08 2024
    Why would I want to hide from the evidence? I seek truth.

    Because the evidence also incriminates people who support Democrats.

    OK, what evidence?

    In one of the videos there are family members of Jocelyn Nungaray, a 12 year old who was killed by 2 illegal immigrants in Texas. The evidence is that
    they illegally entered after Biden and Kamala ended the Remain in Mexico executive order signed by Trump. There's also evidence that neither Biden nor Harris offered an apology for their role in the girl's death.

    That's just 1 video that he plays. He plays different videos of different things at different rallies, but the media never moves the camera so the viewers at home can see what's being shown, and of course they never acknowledge the content of Trump's video clips later on either.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 2 18:03:42 2024
    Donald put out a hit on Liz Cheney and Tucker was all giggles. It was >> encoded but clear.

    Trump hired an assassin to kill Liz Cheney? That's un-American.

    Since Al doesn't like providing links, here are a couple and he is actually onto something (twice in one day, must be a record):

    There's missing context though. Trump's complaint is that Liz Cheney is "a war hawk" and that she doesn't hesitate to send hundreds of troops into the enemy's trap while she hides in a cozy office in DC. "She should have 9 barrels shooting at her to see how she feels about it."

    "Republican Presidential nominee Donald Trump's suggestion Thursday that former Rep. Liz Cheney should stand 'with nine barrels shooting at her' cast a menacing new shadow over the final days of the presidential race, stoking fresh backlash against the former president's frequent and increasingly violent threats targeting political opponents.

    See how this "news" is incredibly flawed?

    "Arizona's top prosecutor said on Friday that her office was
    investigating whether Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump violated state law for suggesting a prominent critic should face gunfire in combat."

    This part is also funny because a "top prosecutor" shouldn't have to "investigate" to find out if "words" are illegal. He should actually be investigating the meaning of the word "context."

    After Trump got shot, the Republicans and MAGAs were all calling for an end to the "violent rhetoric" that supposedly caused it. How soon they forget.

    I believe that Liz wants to keep the wars going because wars create opportunities for opportunists. But she really should get a feel for it first.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Nov 2 22:14:20 2024
    Because the evidence also incriminates people who support Democrats.

    OK, what evidence?

    In one of the videos there are family members of Jocelyn Nungaray, a 12 year old who was killed by 2 illegal immigrants in Texas.

    That's a tragedy whether immigrants are involved or not.

    How does that incriminate people who support democrats?

    The evidence is that they illegally entered after Biden and Kamala ended the Remain in Mexico executive order signed by Trump.

    Biden and/or Kamala had no hand in this crime. None.

    There's also evidence that neither Biden nor Harris offered an apology for their role in the girl's death.

    They had no role in the girl's death.

    That's just 1 video that he plays.

    That's not news, it's all propaganda.

    He plays different videos of different things at different rallies, but the media never moves the camera so the viewers at home can see what's being shown, and of course they never acknowledge the content of Trump's video clips later on either.

    I'm not sure if the camera can get a good image of the TV screen, I think the networks would need a copy of the video to present a clear picture and audio.

    If you really care about the border you need to vote for people who can and will do something about it. You are supporting Trump, who just recently killed a bipartisan border deal.

    The republican's have had a majority in the house and have done absolutely nothing with it. Don't vote for these sorts of politicians.

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  • From Kevin K.@1:275/91 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 3 01:44:48 2024

    Because the evidence also incriminates people who support Democrats.


    Trump is the most democrat person I've ever heard when I paid attention .

    I'm not a voter (do you get free moonshine and weed if you stand in line to vote, even if you .. forget to vote?)

    I've been cheering for Trump since he KNOWs what the folks who are voting for him want and he's ready to give ti to them HARD. - He has brought the CON
    back in Conservatism & he as proven that we have 3 branches of
    government.

    Money. Televison. and Bullshit..



    And Joe. He's a genius. He has totally set giant dumpster fires on the Democrat Party and i"m cheering for him too every time he throws more
    gasoline in the dumpster fire.



    I'm ready for Trump to bascily admit to his followers
    I've been playing both sides like fiddles since .


    I will gladly decorate the grave of both the Dem and GOP. Just pay me some
    good amoutn of money , and moonshine.


    Instead of showing up to the polls for a I Voted Sticker.

    I used .. The iNTERNET and PRINTED a I VOTED sticker.....

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  • From Kevin K.@1:275/91 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Nov 3 01:50:09 2024

    Was he wearing his proud boy ensemble? The black suit, gold tie, black
    and gold MAGA cap?



    I know one thing thing about MAGA.

    I love it when there are rally's, yet I really don't like AFTER any of them wins since that means I have to actually WORK for money..

    OK. I'm the one who you have seen at both Trump AND Kamally rally's *SELLING* merchandise and SELLING over priced yard sighns to both sides.

    I even have a Communists for Trump t-shirt , I have MAGA condoms,
    Kamalla condoms, Biden condoms, I even will hook you up with MAGA sex toys,,

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Nov 3 09:57:00 2024
    Since Al doesn't like providing links, here are a couple and he is actually onto something (twice in one day, must be a record):

    There's missing context though. Trump's complaint is that Liz Cheney is "a war
    hawk" and that she doesn't hesitate to send hundreds of troops into the enemy'
    trap while she hides in a cozy office in DC. "She should have 9 barrels shooting at her to see how she feels about it."

    No I understood the context. There is a difference between pointing out someone is a warhawk and what Trump said. Observe:

    "Liz Cheney is a warhawk. She might feel differently if she herself had ever been involved in a live combat situation."

    "Liz Cheney is a warhawk. She should have 9 barrels shooting at her to see
    how she feels about it."

    Both quotes get the point across. Only one is excessively violent... and
    oddly specific.

    "Republican Presidential nominee Donald Trump's suggestion Thursday that former Rep. Liz Cheney should stand 'with nine barrels shooting at her' cast a menacing new shadow over the final days of the presidential race, stoking fresh backlash against the former president's frequent and increasingly violent threats targeting political opponents.

    See how this "news" is incredibly flawed?

    Not if you read the entire article. It gave the context of his quote.

    Now that I look back, I included the context in my message re: he was
    talking about Liz being a war hawk.

    After Trump got shot, the Republicans and MAGAs were all calling for an end to the "violent rhetoric" that supposedly caused it. How soon they forget.

    I believe that Liz wants to keep the wars going because wars create opportunities for opportunists. But she really should get a feel for it first.

    You are missing the point.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 3 15:09:34 2024
    Because the evidence also incriminates people who support Democrats. >>
    OK, what evidence?

    In one of the videos there are family members of Jocelyn Nungaray, a 12 old who was killed by 2 illegal immigrants in Texas.

    That's a tragedy whether immigrants are involved or not.

    How does that incriminate people who support democrats?

    They voted for the termination of Trump's Remain in Mexico executive order.

    There's also evidence that neither Biden nor Harris offered an apology f their role in the girl's death.

    They had no role in the girl's death.

    They didn't target her, but their termination of Trump's Remain in Mexico executive order is what caused this to happen, and the Biden/Harris administration is negligent. That's the role that Biden and Harris played in the girl's death.

    That's not news, it's all propaganda.

    You can say stuff like that to me all you want I guess but don't say that to the victims' surviving relatives because it's arrogant, ignorant, and insensitive. Try listening to the audio of them speaking in the Trump rally video. If it doesn't break your heart, then you're got to be reptilian.

    I'm not sure if the camera can get a good image of the TV screen, I
    think the networks would need a copy of the video to present a clear picture and audio.

    Yea the video wouldn't be totally clear, and it could have a glare or something, but it gives fuller context to the viewers at home than the side of Trump's face does.

    If you really care about the border you need to vote for people who can and will do something about it. You are supporting Trump, who just recently killed a bipartisan border deal.

    Read the bill. Make sure you fully understand it. Then, you will fully understand why intelligent people rejected that bill.

    The republican's have had a majority in the house and have done
    absolutely nothing with it. Don't vote for these sorts of politicians.

    I agree with you on the first part, but I still vote for Republicans whenever there is an option to. This year, I actually did vote for 3 Democrats because they didn't have any opponents running against them, and I don't leave anything blank on my ballot.

    Now you can high five me 3 times :)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sun Nov 3 15:15:16 2024
    No I understood the context. There is a difference between pointing out someone is a warhawk and what Trump said. Observe:

    "Liz Cheney is a warhawk. She might feel differently if she herself had ever been involved in a live combat situation."

    "Liz Cheney is a warhawk. She should have 9 barrels shooting at her to see how she feels about it."

    To me it doesn't sound threatening. Maybe this has something to do with the way that people from NY speak. People around here use metaphors a lot, especially people from NYC (like Trump.)

    No matter how it sounds to you though, don't expect Trump to be investigated for threatening an endangered rino :)

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 3 14:49:36 2024
    How does that incriminate people who support democrats?

    They voted for the termination of Trump's Remain in Mexico executive order.

    Democrats may or may not have voted for "remain in Mexico". In any case those voters are not criminals.

    They had no role in the girl's death.

    They didn't target her, but their termination of Trump's Remain in Mexico executive order is what caused this to happen, and the Biden/Harris administration is negligent. That's the role that Biden and Harris played in the girl's death.

    I'm sure there is a story around the girls death but we don't know what it is. Biden/Harris had no role in the girls death.

    That's not news, it's all propaganda.

    You can say stuff like that to me all you want I guess but don't say that to the victims' surviving relatives because it's arrogant, ignorant, and insensitive. Try listening to the audio of them speaking in the Trump rally video. If it doesn't break your heart, then you're got to be reptilian.

    It's not arrogant, it is a simple truth.

    Yea the video wouldn't be totally clear, and it could have a glare or something, but it gives fuller context to the viewers at home than the side of Trump's face does.

    If Trump has any real news he can present it to any news outlet to present to the American people along with the/his story.

    Any real news outlet will of course, fact check the story before airing it.

    If you really care about the border you need to vote for people who can
    and will do something about it. You are supporting Trump, who just
    recently killed a bipartisan border deal.

    Read the bill. Make sure you fully understand it. Then, you will fully understand why intelligent people rejected that bill.

    It would have been a start, a step in the right direction.

    The republican's have had a majority in the house and have done
    absolutely nothing with it. Don't vote for these sorts of politicians.

    I agree with you on the first part, but I still vote for Republicans whenever there is an option to. This year, I actually did vote for 3 Democrats because they didn't have any opponents running against them, and I don't leave anything blank on my ballot.

    Now you can high five me 3 times :)

    Titles like democrat/republican/something else don't mean much to me. What these candidates can and or will do or not do is what I look for.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 3 17:42:34 2024
    They voted for the termination of Trump's Remain in Mexico executive ord

    Democrats may or may not have voted for "remain in Mexico". In any case those voters are not criminals.

    Not criminals, but killers.

    I'm sure there is a story around the girls death but we don't know what
    it is. Biden/Harris had no role in the girls death.

    Yes, we do know what the story is. I just told it to you.

    That's not news, it's all propaganda.

    You can say stuff like that to me all you want I guess but don't say tha the victims' surviving relatives because it's arrogant, ignorant, and insensitive. Try listening to the audio of them speaking in the Trump ra video. If it doesn't break your heart, then you're got to be reptilian.

    It's not arrogant, it is a simple truth.

    It's a simple false.

    Yea the video wouldn't be totally clear, and it could have a glare or something, but it gives fuller context to the viewers at home than the s of Trump's face does.

    If Trump has any real news he can present it to any news outlet to
    present to the American people along with the/his story.

    No, he can't. The media only airs news that helps Democrats. They aren't going to air a story about "victims of illegal immigrants blame Biden/Harris." To get that news, you have to watch the video from the Trump rally.

    and will do something about it. You are supporting Trump, who just
    recently killed a bipartisan border deal.

    Read the bill. Make sure you fully understand it. Then, you will fully understand why intelligent people rejected that bill.

    It would have been a start, a step in the right direction.

    What's the right direction? To legitimize thousands of migrant crossings per day? To not deport the millions who have already been imported during the Biden/Harris administration? Those are steps in the wrong direction.

    Titles like democrat/republican/something else don't mean much to me.
    What these candidates can and or will do or not do is what I look for.

    Congress can't do anything other than make empty promises. The have the power to do more, but they don't have the ambition. And you're right that it don't matter which party they're from.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Nov 3 18:01:10 2024
    Not criminals, but killers.

    That's just nonsense.

    I'm sure there is a story around the girls death but we don't know what
    it is. Biden/Harris had no role in the girls death.

    Yes, we do know what the story is. I just told it to you.

    No, you gave me a narrative.

    No, he can't. The media only airs news that helps Democrats. They aren't going to air a story about "victims of illegal immigrants blame Biden/Harris." To get that news, you have to watch the video from the Trump rally.

    There are no facts or news coming out of a Trump rally.

    It is at best a couple hours of entertainment, and at worst...

    It would have been a start, a step in the right direction.

    What's the right direction? To legitimize thousands of migrant crossings per day? To not deport the millions who have already been imported during the Biden/Harris administration? Those are steps in the wrong direction.

    There have always been people coming to the US from other countries. The US has always welcomed them although they have to go through the process.

    The people of the USA can decide what the right direction is and congress can write laws to make that so.

    It is folly to believe that the president has some silver bullet, they do not.

    Congress can't do anything other than make empty promises. The have the power to do more, but they don't have the ambition. And you're right that it don't matter which party they're from.

    Congress has a mandate from the American people to get things done.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Nov 4 08:47:00 2024
    To me it doesn't sound threatening. Maybe this has something to do with the wa
    that people from NY speak. People around here use metaphors a lot, especially people from NYC (like Trump.)

    No matter how it sounds to you though, don't expect Trump to be investigated for threatening an endangered rino :)

    I don't expect the investigation to go to far.

    What I do expect, should Trump lose, is a bunch of people pissing around
    for the next four years about "cheating" when, in reality, it is going to be
    a lot more about undecided voters and the stupid things Trump and his
    campaign said and did in the closing days of the election.

    I think there is a chance that Trump and company could have October Surprised themselves.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Mon Nov 4 09:39:00 2024
    The republican's have had a majority in the house and have done
    absolutely nothing with it. Don't vote for these sorts of politicians.

    At least three times since 1973, the Democrats have had a majority in
    Congress and held the White House, yet they did nothing to codify abortion rights even though they ran on that issue multiple times.

    Should we not vote for those sorts of politicians, too?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Nov 4 09:11:00 2024
    How does that incriminate people who support democrats?

    They voted for the termination of Trump's Remain in Mexico executive order.

    But did they vote? I thought that Biden just rescinded it single-handidly?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 4 20:28:42 2024
    No, he can't. The media only airs news that helps Democrats. They aren't going to air a story about "victims of illegal immigrants blame Biden/Harris." To get that news, you have to watch the video from the Tr rally.

    There are no facts or news coming out of a Trump rally.

    There is. You don't need to watch the video, just stare at Trump's head and listen to the victim's mother speak. You will know all you need to know about how and why she blames Biden and Harris for her daughter's death.

    I'd link to it for you, but you know how that goes.

    If you don't think that politicians should be held responsible when their actions cause deaths, then that's our biggest difference.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Nov 4 20:29:38 2024
    If you don't think that politicians should be held responsible when their actions cause deaths, then that's our biggest difference.

    Politians are not responsible for that girls death. Don't be silly.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Tue Nov 5 10:38:00 2024
    At least three times since 1973, the Democrats have had a majority in Congress and held the White House, yet they did nothing to codify abortion rights even though they ran on that issue multiple times.

    Supreme court justices Kavanaugh and Barret both said that Roe v Wade was precedent and settled law when they had their hearings, so why codify it?

    The short answer is to make it more permanent.

    The long answer is because precedent can be overturned by a later court interpretation. An example would be a case that introduces some other legal question or precedent that previously-questioned SC candidates had not considered.

    If it is codified into law in a manner that is Constitutional and doesn't violate any pre-existing laws, it is much less likely to be overturned by a later court interpretation.

    I don't see abortion as a political issue, it is a matter of health care for women. I don't think we need laws that block a womans right to privacy or health care.

    I don't necessarily either but, for many, many years now, both parties have made it so, and the Democrats in particular have campaigned as the
    champions of this issue. Yet, when given opportunities to fix it once and
    for all, they not only failed but they didn't even *attempt* to do so!

    Should we not vote for those sorts of politicians, too?

    Democrats seem to be standing for a womens right to privacy and abortion. On that issue the democrats seem to be the only choice.

    Why would you believe them now? Kamala is campaigning on similar terms... making abortion permanently legal nationally... that just about every
    previous Democrat in my adult lifetime has campaigned on. When given the chance, *NONE* of them did *anything* to protect womens' rights beyond lip service.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Tue Nov 5 10:42:00 2024
    If you don't think that politicians should be held responsible when their actions cause deaths, then that's our biggest difference.

    Politians are not responsible for that girls death. Don't be silly.

    While I would often agree with this sentiment, if the policies of an administration are so irresponsible that they lead to civilian deaths, I
    tend to disagree.

    There are many who still blame the policies of Bush (2), and sometimes
    Clinton also, which they believe allowed several foreign nationals to
    overstay their welcomes and lead to the 9/11 attacks. Oddly, some of
    those same folks find it "silly" to blame the actions of illegal immigrants (who, by definition, have overstaid their welcome) who are here as the
    result of Biden administration policies, on Biden's administration.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 5 15:21:46 2024
    The long answer is because precedent can be overturned by a later court interpretation. An example would be a case that introduces some other legal question or precedent that previously-questioned SC candidates had not considered.

    Why are these rights even being questioned?

    A woman should have the right to privacy and to do what she wants/needs with her body. This is what ~70% of the people want.

    If it is codified into law in a manner that is Constitutional and doesn't violate any pre-existing laws, it is much less likely to be overturned by a later court interpretation.

    I don't know ultimately what will happen now. Perhaps it will be codified into law.

    I don't see abortion as a political issue, it is a matter of health care for >> women. I don't think we need laws that block a womans right to privacy or
    health care.

    I don't necessarily either but, for many, many years now, both parties have made it so, and the Democrats in particular have campaigned as the
    champions of this issue. Yet, when given opportunities to fix it once and for all, they not only failed but they didn't even *attempt* to do so!

    It became an issue now because the GOP was campaigning on it although they have recently (since Roe v. Wade was overturned) removed any talk about it from their websites been pushing it.

    Democrats seem to be standing for a womens right to privacy and abortion. On >> that issue the democrats seem to be the only choice.

    Why would you believe them now? Kamala is campaigning on similar terms...

    She has no choice since Roe was overturned. It is an issue now.

    making abortion permanently legal nationally... that just about every previous Democrat in my adult lifetime has campaigned on. When given the chance, *NONE* of them did *anything* to protect womens' rights beyond lip service.

    We are he now not because of the Democrats, but because the GOP spent billions to get their choices on the supreme court. One thing thay wanted was to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    Now that they've done it I'm not sure they want it but here we are.

    The overturning of Roe v. Wade and the currnt state of SCOTUS is a GOP thing, not a Democrat thing.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 5 15:26:26 2024
    Politians are not responsible for that girls death. Don't be silly.

    While I would often agree with this sentiment, if the policies of an administration are so irresponsible that they lead to civilian deaths, I
    tend to disagree.

    Politicians are responsible for the positions they take. They are not responsible for murders or deaths in the street.

    It's possible that a politician will at some point commit murder and if they do they will face justice.

    There are many who still blame the policies of Bush (2), and sometimes Clinton also, which they believe allowed several foreign nationals to overstay their welcomes and lead to the 9/11 attacks. Oddly, some of
    those same folks find it "silly" to blame the actions of illegal immigrants (who, by definition, have overstaid their welcome) who are here as the
    result of Biden administration policies, on Biden's administration.

    I have never heard such stories.

    Bush and Clinton are (of course) not responsible for 9/11!

    Silly arguments!

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Tue Nov 5 20:01:00 2024
    Why are these rights even being questioned?

    A woman should have the right to privacy and to do what she wants/needs with her body. This is what ~70% of the people want.

    Because this one involves an activity that some believe to be murder (but I am not one of them so long as it is done early enough).

    Because this is one that used to be presumed to be illegal, then wasn't,
    and now is in some places and not in others.

    It became an issue now because the GOP was campaigning on it although they hav
    recently (since Roe v. Wade was overturned) removed any talk about it from their websites been pushing it.

    They campaigned on it because the Democrats were. I can remember when it
    was ok for a Republican candidate to have more neutral stance. The
    Democrats kept playing with the issue (while doing nothing about it!) until
    the conservative Christians swayed enough Republicans to act on it.

    Democrats seem to be standing for a womens right to privacy and abortion. O
    that issue the democrats seem to be the only choice.

    Why would you believe them now? Kamala is campaigning on similar terms...

    She has no choice since Roe was overturned. It is an issue now.

    There should have been a choice for the Democrats to keep their promises
    and do something permanent about it under Clinton, and again during
    the Obama years, when they had the numbers. Their first chance was during
    the Carter administration, where it would have made sense to use the recent Supreme Court ruling as a opening to do so. They did nothing so, yes, it is
    an issue now.

    Well, maybe... but as you said....

    I don't know ultimately what will happen now. Perhaps it will be codified into
    law.

    Which Kamala and her D friends may not do if their promises are as fake as their predecessors.

    We are he now not because of the Democrats, but because the GOP spent billions
    to get their choices on the supreme court. One thing thay wanted was to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    If it had been codified before, and passed Constitutional muster, there
    would be nothing for the GOP to have overturned. We are here because Democrats, when given the chance, did nothing despite warning us for
    *years* that the GOP was going to come after women's rights.

    I guess they cried wolf often enough, the wolf finally showed up and took
    them up on it.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Tue Nov 5 19:55:00 2024
    I have never heard such stories.

    Bush and Clinton are (of course) not responsible for 9/11!

    Silly arguments!

    Yes, but this is proof you don't know what you are talking about because
    those arguments have been made. Immediately after 9/11, they were made by Democrat politicians... until it was pointed out that some of the visas in question had expired while Bill was still in charge.

    The point being that many Americans would like for their politicians to
    take responsibility for their sometimes horrible decisions.

    I don't expect someone from Trudeauland to understand that.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 5 18:42:22 2024
    Why are these rights even being questioned?

    A woman should have the right to privacy and to do what she wants/needs with >> her body. This is what ~70% of the people want.

    Because this one involves an activity that some believe to be murder (but I am not one of them so long as it is done early enough).

    Talking points. Murder is one thing, abortion is another.

    They campaigned on it because the Democrats were. I can remember when it
    was ok for a Republican candidate to have more neutral stance. The
    Democrats kept playing with the issue (while doing nothing about it!) until the conservative Christians swayed enough Republicans to act on it.

    The democrats did not play with the issue. Republicans have pushed it and now here we are.

    Which Kamala and her D friends may not do if their promises are as fake as their predecessors.

    What!?

    If it had been codified before, and passed Constitutional muster, there
    would be nothing for the GOP to have overturned. We are here because Democrats, when given the chance, did nothing despite warning us for
    *years* that the GOP was going to come after women's rights.

    We are here because of the actions of the GOP. Period.

    I guess they cried wolf often enough, the wolf finally showed up and took them up on it.

    See what I mean?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 5 18:44:40 2024
    Bush and Clinton are (of course) not responsible for 9/11!

    Silly arguments!

    Yes, but this is proof you don't know what you are talking about because those arguments have been made.

    Not arguments. Conspiracy theories at best and bullshit at worst.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Wed Nov 6 09:35:00 2024
    I guess they cried wolf often enough, the wolf finally showed up and took them up on it.

    See what I mean?

    You do understand the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, right?

    He cried "wolf" when there was not one there so many times that, finally,
    when a wolf was there no one believed him and it was ultimately his fault
    that he got eaten.

    So I suspect you don't even see what you mean.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 6 15:52:32 2024
    I guess they cried wolf often enough, the wolf finally showed up and took >> > them up on it.

    See what I mean?

    You do understand the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, right?

    I see the wolf.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 6 19:36:00 2024
    I guess they cried wolf often enough, the wolf finally showed up and took
    them up on it.

    See what I mean?

    You do understand the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, right?

    I see the wolf.

    As I suspected, you don't understand the story.



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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 7 07:53:54 2024
    Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

    He cried "wolf" when there was not one there so many times that,
    finally, when a wolf was there no one believed him and it was
    ultimately his fault that he got eaten.

    So I suspect you don't even see what you mean.

    No. People like Alan has no self-awareness.


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