Hello Everybody,

CONFIRMED: Trump Was Downtown With First Responders On 9/11

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017548779


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On 31 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Everybody,

CONFIRMED: Trump Was Downtown With First Responders On 9/11

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017548779

Words cannot say what a picture can show ...

This is nothing more then a hit piece from a MSNBC, it's not credible.
They cant get him on collusion or obstruction, the race narrative from the
worn out pages from the Democratic play book backfired like a boomerang.

Baltimore is a cesspool and was made this way by the nasty people who have lived there and are who still living there. The high crime and lawlessness is the result that has created the blight that you see on your television. This was put squarely with a laser scope onto Elijah Cummings.

Now they are using one of the tragic events in American history; 9/11 to attack
and desmirch and smear the President. Disgraceful.

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Words cannot say what a picture can show ...

The American people are Trump's friends. He actually lost thousands of
his friends on 9/11, but he never turned his back on them. Especially not by signing the 9/11 First Responders bill.

Additionally, strengthening our border, keeping illegals out, and
strengthening travel restrictions to the USA shows how valuable a friend like Trump can be in the fight against terrorism.

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On 01 Aug 2019, BOB ACKLEY said the following...

On 31 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Everybody,
CONFIRMED: Trump Was Downtown With First Responders On 9/11 https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017548779
Words cannot say what a picture can show ...

This is nothing more then a hit piece from a MSNBC, it's not

credible.

They cant get him on collusion or obstruction, the race narrative

from the

w

Never got your response Bob, looks like it might of been chopped, say again ..

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On 08-01-19 07:20, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Trump Was There <=-

They cant get him on collusion or obstruction,

At least not until he is no longer POTUS.

Baltimore is a cesspool and was made this way by the nasty people who
have lived there and are who still living there. The high crime and lawlessness is the result that has created the blight that you see on
your television.

You are over stating the situation, and its causes.

This was put squarely with a laser scope onto Elijah
Cummings.

And Cummings (who just happens to be my Congressman) is not solely
responsible for the conditions referred to in Trump's tweet, nor are
those conditions unique to Baltimore. Some of the substandard housing
in Baltimore is owned by the Trump family. Much of Trump's city of New
York has similar problems. As Cummings said, he works for the people of Baltimore and has much to be proud of in his district -- and that things
do still need to be improved.

Now they are using one of the tragic events in American
history; 9/11 to attack
and desmirch and smear the President. Disgraceful.

They are not using 9/11 to attack Trump, they are attacking his lies and
self centered exaggerations about 9/11. Every statement has to have
something about himself.

Dale Shipp
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On 08-01-19 10:19, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Trump Was There <=-

Additionally, strengthening our border, keeping illegals out, and strengthening travel restrictions to the USA shows how valuable a
friend like Trump can be in the fight against terrorism.

Most, if not all, of those immigrants he is trying to keep out are not terrorists of any sort.

What is Trump doing to fight against terrorism by Americans, especially
the white nationalist ones. They are a bigger problem today.

Dale Shipp
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On 02 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 08-01-19 07:20, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Trump Was There <=-

They cant get him on collusion or obstruction,

At least not until he is no longer POTUS.

Until he is no longer POTUS? That will be 2024 but still he will not be charged. No crime that was committed by any American, this includes the POTUS.

Baltimore is a cesspool and was made this way by the nasty people who have lived there and are who still living there. The high crime and lawlessness is the result that has created the blight that you see on your television.

You are over stating the situation, and its causes.

When pointing to how and why, it can never be overstated.

This was put squarely with a laser scope onto Elijah
Cummings.

And Cummings (who just happens to be my Congressman) is not solely responsible for the conditions referred to in Trump's tweet, nor are
those conditions unique to Baltimore. Some of the substandard housing
in Baltimore is owned by the Trump family.

Cummings said twenty years ago said that Baltimore was Drug infested, it
still is today, nothing has changed even after billions of dollars being
pumped into the city, it remains a cesspool.

They were not substandard when the people moved into these properties, but that
is what happens when you allow the wrong people into your city, you know the kind that creates chaos and civil unrest, the ones who can not keep a job, or even complete high school. The kind that riot - loot stores and destroy police cars. Fatherless kids running the streets. This the recipe that creates the blight that you see in urban cities throughout the U.S. including Baltimore.

As Cummings said, he works for the people of
Baltimore and has much to be proud of in his district -- and that things
do still need to be improved.

Proud? It's a eyesore & an embarrassment, when the buildings are knocked down and the bulldozers go to work to make way for new housing, how long will be before it becomes looking like a city dump again?

Now they are using one of the tragic events in American
history; 9/11 to attack
and desmirch and smear the President. Disgraceful.

They are not using 9/11 to attack Trump, they are attacking his lies

and DS> self centered exaggerations about 9/11. Every statement has to have

something about himself.

The President has provided the results through his leadership.
The left calls it self center exaggerations because they don't want to give credit where credit is due.

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On 08-02-19 07:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump Was There <=-

They cant get him on collusion or obstruction,

At least not until he is no longer POTUS.

Until he is no longer POTUS? That will be 2024 but still he will not
be charged.

We have until November 2020 to see if he is going to be POTUS until 2024
or not. If he is voted out, the statue of limitations on his crimes
will not have expired and he can expect to be indicted and tried.

No crime that was committed by any American, this includes
the POTUS.

Really -- what about those in his campaign and administration that have
already been convicted of crimes and are in prison? More to come.

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They are not using 9/11 to attack Trump, they are attacking his lies and self centered exaggerations about 9/11. Every statement has to have something about himself.

What has Trump lied about pertaining to 9/11?

When someone tells you they lost friends in a tragedy, it's not nice to start asking questions like "Was it REALLY that many people?" or "..but how close
of friends were you REALLY?" That's insensitive. And if you think Trump is insensitive, does more insensitivity make anything better?

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Most, if not all, of those immigrants he is trying to keep out are not terrorists of any sort.

It only takes 1 terrorist to kill hundreds of innocent people.

What is Trump doing to fight against terrorism by Americans, especially the white nationalist ones. They are a bigger problem today.

I don't think he has a solid solution for that problem yet, but he is in favor of arming more civilians, which seems promising. The only solution I've heard from Democrats is the opposite: To disarm more civilians, and not to expect them to steal guns, or use explosives.

White nationalists though? I don't think white nationalists have killed
many people lately. There was the guy at the Unite the Right rally, but any others? Can that guy be utilized by the Democrats to paint white people as mentally unstable domestic terrorists?

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On 08-03-19 12:12, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump Was There <=-

Most, if not all, of those immigrants he is trying to keep out are not terrorists of any sort.

It only takes 1 terrorist to kill hundreds of innocent people.

What is Trump doing to fight against terrorism by Americans, especially the white nationalist ones. They are a bigger problem today.

<<SNIP>>

White nationalists though? I don't think white nationalists have
killed many people lately. There was the guy at the Unite the Right
rally, but any others? Can that guy be utilized by the Democrats to
paint white people as mentally unstable domestic terrorists?

One such white nationalist killed 20 and injured more than two dozen
tonight in El Paso. He drove more than 600 miles from his home on the
other side of Texas to do so.

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On 03 Aug 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

They are not using 9/11 to attack Trump, they are attacking his lies self centered exaggerations about 9/11. Every statement has to have something about himself.

What has Trump lied about pertaining to 9/11?

When someone tells you they lost friends in a tragedy, it's not nice to start asking questions like "Was it REALLY that many people?" or "..but how close of friends were you REALLY?" That's insensitive. And if you think Trump is insensitive, does more insensitivity make anything better?

Here's the thing with the delusional left they have been suggesting that POTUS has lied and has committed crimes..

You want to know what I think? Well, you're reading this message, so I will assume you do.

I do not think he is guilty of any of it. They are lying about the lies.
This has been one elaborate attempt to discredit, not acknowledge and to even remove him from The Office of the Presidency.

I suddenly had this feeling that everything was connected. It was like I
could see the whole thing; one long chain of events that stretched back to before his Presidency. I felt like I could see everything that had happened, and everything that was going to happen.
(of course the above is a movie tie in) lol

It is going to be a glorious future, that America will have.
I assure you, that I am not Time Lord and I don't a need a Tardis, to have the assurance to say, that Donald Trump will win another 4 year term in 2020.

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On 2019 Aug 04 10:06:52, you wrote to aaron thomas:

Here's the thing with the delusional left they have been suggesting
that POTUS has lied and has committed crimes..

it is not a suggestion... it is a flat out statement... don't you know the difference? apparently not so it is no wonder that you don't understand his lies are actually lies...

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On 08-02-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 08-01-19 07:20, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Trump Was There <=-

Baltimore is a cesspool and was made this way by the nasty people who
have lived there and are who still living there. The high crime and lawlessness is the result that has created the blight that you see on
your television.

You are over stating the situation, and its causes.

This was put squarely with a laser scope onto Elijah
Cummings.

And Cummings (who just happens to be my Congressman) is not solely DS>responsible for the conditions referred to in Trump's tweet, nor are DS>those conditions unique to Baltimore.

Let me check a few things...be right back;


Yeah...Cummings has been in politics for a long long time. He was born and raised in Baltimore, and represented it his entire time in politics, both on the Maryland state level, and on the national level.


In fact, he's been on the national level since 1996 according to his bio.
Thats 23 years or so in Congress. He served at the state level for around 14 years.


So, after a period of around 37 years being the Baltimore area's
representative on both state and federal levels, you'd think Baltimore itself, and Cummings's district (at least) would be a lot better off for his being there.


Its not!


Let me look at a few lists......be right back;


Ok....Baltimore recieved billions....BILLIONS... of dollars in federal funding and can't account for the vast majority of it!


A 2018 audit of the city's finances shows Baltimore recieved $5.4 billion (BILLION) in federal grants, contracts, and other fiinancial assistance.


Baltimore city is a part of Elijah Cummings's district, and recieved $9
billion (BILLION) in federal funding over the past year, and $15 billion (BILLION) over the past two years of his current congressional time in office.


Get this....Baltimore has a population of just over 600,000 people according
to a count taken in 2018.


Doing a little bit of math....thats around $25,000 per resident. In other
words the residents were given enough to equal $25,000 each....yet Baltimore remains unchanged.


Now mind you, Elijah Cummings's net worth is around $2 million dollars or so.


His congressional seat only pays about $174,000 a year. He has to have a residence in his district in order to be `from' his district. So, even if he just rents there, it costs money; rent...utilities....


He's in DC most of the legislative year, so that costs him rent (high in DC), his food, utilities....


Not to mention what it costs to raise any kids he may have.


Being in politics all those years at such low salaries makes you wonder how he becomes a millionaire!

Some of the substandard housing
in Baltimore is owned by the Trump family.

But to go on...


Trump is neither mayor of Baltimore, nor governor of Maryland. But just since Trump has been president....Baltimore recieved vast amounts of money....even under Trump... and yet it was (even before Trump came along) and remains, a stink hole!

Much of Trump's city of New
York has similar problems.

It isn't *Trump's city of New York*....it's Bill de Blasio's city!


Let me check a few things....be right back......


Ok...the city of New York puts out $4 billion (BILLION) a year on food, housing, and welfare programs alone!


BTW....just to keep this in perspective....the billions given to Baltimore,
New York city, and several other democrat sink holes around the country? Those billions are *federal funds*. In case people have lost track.....*federal funds* are `taxpayer dollars'! Which means people living hundreds or even thousands of miles away from these `democrat'-run shitholes are paying their bills!

As Cummings said, he works for the people of
Baltimore and has much to be proud of in his district -- and that things DS>do still need to be improved.

Cummings doesn't have a single thing to be `proud of in his district'.


Lets check a couple of things......


Baltimore has some pretty disgusting numbers. Elijah Cummings being it's representative all those years on both state and federal level, and it still being the stinkhole it is doesn't speak well for his `representation'.


Someone recently suggested the murder rate in Baltimore might be higher than Guatemala's! It could be.


It is rat infested. It does have trash lying around all over the place! With the billions of taxpayer dollars it gets every year you'd think they'd either have their own city trash service, or a few private trash companies paid to keep the city clean. Not to mention the drugs, crime.....


Baltimore is just another shining example of democrat failures. A perfect testimony to Elijah Cummings's failure as Baltimore's representative.


Baltimore has nothing to be proud of. And neither does Elijah Cummings.



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On 08-02-19, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

On 08-01-19 10:19, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Trump Was There <=-

Additionally, strengthening our border, keeping illegals out, and strengthening travel restrictions to the USA shows how valuable a
friend like Trump can be in the fight against terrorism.

Most, if not all, of those immigrants he is trying to keep out are not DS>terrorists of any sort.

What is Trump doing to fight against terrorism by Americans, especially DS>the white nationalist ones. They are a bigger problem today.

The lefties like to ignore the murderers and rapists coming across the
southern border...they care less about the families who lose loved ones to these illegals who commit murders, drive drunk and kill people....they ignore the vast amount of drugs coming in the same way.


Someone recently pointed out (I think it was Ann coulter) that the people pouring across our southern border are the types who in their own countries voted for Hugo chavez and the like. They are becoming the democrat party base!


When you look at it in that light, it is no wonder the democrats do nothing to secure our southern border. The more sorry-ass types tha come across, the better for the sorry-ass democrats.





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On 04 Aug 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Aug 04 10:06:52, you wrote to aaron thomas:

Here's the thing with the delusional left they have been suggesting that POTUS has lied and has committed crimes..

it is not a suggestion... it is a flat out statement... don't you know
the difference? apparently not so it is no wonder that you don't understand his lies are actually lies...

It does remain a suggestion, but it is more than that also, it is a desire as well as a hope that someone within the Democratic party or the media that they share a bed with will find that one thing or a number of things that will take Trump out.

The American people are not fools they can see a clear pattern of intent and hate that is within the Democratic party as well as the Fake News media.

Every attempt to do so, has been a miserable failure. I do not think that you realize how many times that they have tried.

Dems discovered the Access Hollywood Tape - and brought this up with the intention to damage Trump just before the election.
Resulted in Failure as it did not work Trump was still elected.

The story involving Stormy never went anywhere.
Resulted in Failure as it did not work Trump is the President.

Brought forth phony documents before the fisa court twice, to spy on the Trump and his campaign. They must really suck at their jobs or there was nothing to find. Even with the dreaming up the fake Russian dossier which was one of the elements within the two plus year long investigation.
Resulted in Failure as it did not work Trump is the President.

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On 2019 Aug 04 14:00:48, you wrote to me:

Here's the thing with the delusional left they have been suggesting
that POTUS has lied and has committed crimes..

it is not a suggestion... it is a flat out statement... don't you
know the difference? apparently not so it is no wonder that you don't
understand his lies are actually lies...

It does remain a suggestion, but it is more than that also, it is a
desire as well as a hope that someone within the Democratic party or
the media that they share a bed with will find that one thing or a
number of things that will take Trump out.

there's more than enough to take him out... the only thing required is for someone to pull the damned trigger and get the process started...

The American people are not fools they can see a clear pattern of
intent and hate that is within the Democratic party as well as the
Fake News media.

have you failed to notice that all of the domestic terrorists have been Trump/GOP followers? that's where the intent and hate is...

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08-05-19 15:14 mark lewis wrote to Gregory Deyss about Trump Was There
Howdy! Mark,

I have been thinking that President Donald Trump may decide before the Presidental Term ends to Quit being our President and go back to being
BOSS of the Companies He owns, and let Vice-President Pense become POTUS
for the rest of the Term.

In August 2016 I read a Wikipedia article written about candidate Donald
Trump that had quotes from Him about use of Bankruptcy Laws and Chapter 11.

From what I read on Wikipedia then, I couldn't give my vote for Him because
of him closing businesses to make money but the people who worked for him
lost their job(s) when he used Chapter 11 and Bankruptcy Laws as he did.

... and they worried about JFK getting orders from the Pope back in the
those days.

Is Pence Roman Catholic?

Nuff said.

Shields are down, fire away!

73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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I do not think he is guilty of any of it. They are lying about the lies.

I'm finding that liberals don't like presidents who take action.

They liked the laziness of Obama & Bush; 2 presidents who did little and accomplished nothing. They did so little, there was little for them to lie about.

But here comes big ol' Donald Trump, cleaning as he goes, fixing as many
things as he can, getting praise from guys like me, and getting hell from people who want him to be more "presidential." (That means politically
correct in the liberal dictionary)

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When you look at it in that light, it is no wonder the democrats do nothing to secure our southern border. The more sorry-ass types tha come across, the better for the sorry-ass democrats.

The illegals were useless against the electoral college, but they are still relevant in the "children in cages" drama. But that's only going to get more popular votes.

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there's more than enough to take him out... the only thing required is
for someone to pull the damned trigger and get the process started...

better be careful with pulling that trigger the ones who thought they were never to be discovered, are now known.

The American people are not fools they can see a clear pattern of intent and hate that is within the Democratic party as well as the Fake News media.

have you failed to notice that all of the domestic terrorists have been Trump/GOP followers? that's where the intent and hate is...

That's the trouble with the left they want to politicize tragedies, and blame Trump for everything that happens.

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On 08-05-19 22:32, Ed Vance <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Trump Was There <=-

I have been thinking that President Donald Trump may decide before the Presidental Term ends to Quit being our President and go back to being BOSS of the Companies He owns, and let Vice-President Pense become
POTUS for the rest of the Term.

He would not do that until he had finished bankrupting the USA like he
did to many of his other companies.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Ed,

I have been thinking that President Donald Trump may decide before the >Presidental Term ends to Quit being our President and go back to being
BOSS of the Companies He owns, and let Vice-President Pense become POTUS
for the rest of the Term.

Let's bring back Carter!

"Why not the best?" ~Jimmy Carter, 39th & 46th POTUS, January 20, 2021

.. and they worried about JFK getting orders from the Pope back in the
those days.

Is Pence Roman Catholic?

Jimmy Carter continues to teach Sunday school in Plains, Georgia.
What does Mike Pence do, other than make people pray?

Nuff said.

Pence is inept, not capable of being president. But he does
know how to make people pray. One finger, one red button ...

Shields are down, fire away!

Please. Do not give the man any ideas.

The Nixon/Ford conspiracy was bad enough. Nixon resigning
from office in disgrace, with his hand-picked successor granting
him a pardon for all crimes committed. And to think, the Russians
put in this current set of clowns ...

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On 05 Aug 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Aug 04 14:00:48, you wrote to me:

Here's the thing with the delusional left they have been

suggesting

that POTUS has lied and has committed crimes..

it is not a suggestion... it is a flat out statement... don't you
know the difference? apparently not so it is no wonder that you

don'

understand his lies are actually lies...

It does remain a suggestion, but it is more than that also, it is a desire as well as a hope that someone within the Democratic party or the media that they share a bed with will find that one thing or a number of things that will take Trump out.

there's more than enough to take him out... the only thing required is
for someone to pull the damned trigger and get the process started...

The American people are not fools they can see a clear pattern of intent and hate that is within the Democratic party as well as the Fake News media.

have you failed to notice that all of the domestic terrorists have been Trump/GOP followers? that's where the intent and hate is...

Just like the ones who are democratic and Muslim, you never hear about those either.

Just as you never here about the black on black murder happening in Chicago. Not a peep. Why is that?

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On 01 Aug 2019, BOB ACKLEY said the following...
This is nothing more then a hit piece from a MSNBC, it's not

credible.

They cant get him on collusion or obstruction, the race narrative

from the

worn out pages from the Democratic play book backfired like a

boomerang.

Baltimore is a cesspool and was made this way by the nasty people who

have

lived there and are who still living there.

I suspect it's due more to the very corrupt politicians that have been
running the place for over half a century.

The high crime and lawlessness is

the result that has created the blight that you see on your

television. This

was put squarely with a laser scope onto Elijah Cummings.

Yep.





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On 08-01-19 07:20, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Trump Was There <=-

They cant get him on collusion or obstruction,

At least not until he is no longer POTUS.

Baltimore is a cesspool and was made this way by the nasty

people who

have lived there and are who still living there. The high crime

and

lawlessness is the result that has created the blight that you

see on

your television.

You are over stating the situation, and its causes.

Baltimore was a cesspool over forty years ago when I was stationed in
the area. Apparently it hasn't improved much, if at all.
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This has been one elaborate attempt to discredit, not acknowledge and

to even

remove him from The Office of the Presidency.

I suddenly had this feeling that everything was connected. It was

like I

could see the whole thing; one long chain of events that stretched

back to

before his Presidency. I felt like I could see everything that had

happened,

and everything that was going to happen.
(of course the above is a movie tie in) lol

It is going to be a glorious future, that America will have.
I assure you, that I am not Time Lord and I don't a need a Tardis, to

have the

assurance to say, that Donald Trump will win another 4 year term in

2020.

I don't think so. I doubt that this country will survive another
decade.

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have you failed to notice that all of the domestic terrorists have

been

Trump/GOP followers? that's where the intent and hate is...

Not true, Mark. You're ignoring the whole "Antifa" movement, all of
whom are domestic terrorists and none of whom are Trump/GOP followers
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On 08-05-19 22:32, Ed Vance <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Trump Was There <=-

I have been thinking that President Donald Trump may decide

before the

Presidental Term ends to Quit being our President and go back to

being

BOSS of the Companies He owns, and let Vice-President Pense

become

POTUS for the rest of the Term.

He would not do that until he had finished bankrupting the USA like he
did to many of his other companies.

The USA has been bankrupt for at least twenty years. Its liabilities
FAR exceed the value of its assets and any reasonable estimate of its
future income
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On 08-06-19, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

When you look at it in that light, it is no wonder the democrats do
nothing to secure our southern border. The more sorry-ass types tha come across, the better for the sorry-ass democrats.

The illegals were useless against the electoral college, but they are AT>still relevant in the "children in cages" drama. But that's only going to AT>get more popular votes.

The democrats need the illegals. The `cages' thing is one of their high cards right now.


Another one of their high cards is the organizing of thugs to violently demonstrate outside the Senate leaders' home. They were threatening bodily
harm to McConnell. If it were Schumer or Pelosi who were having to endure a hate group outside THEIR homes, the press and media would be going apeshit right now. But all you hear is `crickets'!


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On 08-04-19, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

On 08-03-19 12:12, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump Was There <=-

Most, if not all, of those immigrants he is trying to keep out are not terrorists of any sort.

It only takes 1 terrorist to kill hundreds of innocent people.

What is Trump doing to fight against terrorism by Americans, especially
the white nationalist ones. They are a bigger problem today.

<<SNIP>>

White nationalists though? I don't think white nationalists have
killed many people lately. There was the guy at the Unite the Right
rally, but any others? Can that guy be utilized by the Democrats to
paint white people as mentally unstable domestic terrorists?

One such white nationalist killed 20 and injured more than two dozen DS>tonight in El Paso. He drove more than 600 miles from his home on the DS>other side of Texas to do so.

Notice how much noise the El Paso shooting gets from the lefties because they can see `Trump' in it.....but the other shooting is by a leftist-lover, and
its `crickets'!


The lefties rage about the mass shootings they can get publicity out of to advance their agenda....but ignore much!


For instance.....lets take a look at a few things......


The vast majority of the guns used in 19 recent mass shootings were bought legally, with a federal background check included in each one.


So much for the `background check' mantra the lefties are screaming about.


There were 95 homicides in the first two months of 2016 (and Trump wasn't even president yet!) in the city of Chicago.


There were 165 shootings recorded in Chicago for the month of February that year.


There were also 468 murders there in 2015. Not to mention 2,900 shootings.


This in a city owned and operated by `democrats'. BTW....over 1600 people
have been shot this year so far in Chicago (according to The Chicago Tribune).


Oh and...while El Paso and Dayton were being screamed about in the media there were 59 people shot in Chicago over this past weekend. There were 42 homicides in Chicago in the month of July.


But you never see the outcry you are seeing over El Paso and Dayton. The
left's `outrage' is very selective.





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On 08-05-19, MARK LEWIS said to GREGORY DEYSS:

there's more than enough to take him out... the only thing required is for ML>someone to pull the damned trigger and get the process started...

Read the above carefully.


If a conservative said such a thing in a forum more public than this one, and Hussein Obama was president, they'd have feds at their door taking their computers, firearms, consigning their kids to child protective services.....


And here in Fido, had a conservative said such a thing the `Kracht' thingie would come down on their sysop to shut them out of the echo (if not cut them out of Fido altogether!).





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Baltimore was a cesspool over forty years ago when I was stationed in
the area. Apparently it hasn't improved much, if at all.

Baltimore was a cesspool when I lived there 12 years ago too. It's of course, not a cesspool, if you've got millions of dollars and live in a gated community. Everything is probably pretty peaceful in the Cummings side of
town.

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So much for the `background check' mantra the lefties are screaming
about.

Come on, they can cure cancer and stop mass shootings, if you elect them. :)

There were 95 homicides in the first two months of 2016 (and Trump
wasn't even president yet!) in the city of Chicago.

I'm pretty sure that everybody from Chicago is oblivious to how bad their city is compared to others.

Oh and...while El Paso and Dayton were being screamed about in the media there were 59 people shot in Chicago over this past weekend. There were
42 homicides in Chicago in the month of July.

We won't be hearing about that lousy weekend in Chicago in the democrat debates. That kind of info is bad for the liberal ecosystem.

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I don't think so. I doubt that this country will survive another
decade.

Why would you suggest that? If so it will be at the hands of the Democratic Party and their allies because they are ripping the country apart with their nonsense.

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On 08-05-19, MARK LEWIS said to GREGORY DEYSS:

there's more than enough to take him out... the only thing

required is for

someone to pull the damned trigger and get the process started...

Read the above carefully.

If a conservative said such a thing in a forum more public than this

one, and

Hussein Obama was president, they'd have feds at their door taking

their

computers, firearms, consigning their kids to child protective

services.....

And here in Fido, had a conservative said such a thing the `Kracht'

thingie

would come down on their sysop to shut them out of the echo (if not

cut them

out of Fido altogether!).

Something over 20 years ago a fairly radical right wing nut used to
post in these echoes - thankfully his name escapes me - he was
eventually arrested, tried, convicted and jailed - but as far as I know
he never hurt anybody, although he did make some people a bit nervous.
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I don't think so. I doubt that this country will survive

another

decade.

Why would you suggest that?

Because the US economy has been destroyed by leftist giveaway programs -
the US government overspendsd its income by more than a TRILLION
dollars a year.

It took this country just under 200 years to run up a national debt of
one trillion dollars, but just a bit over 20 years to add another
trillion dollars to that.

If so it will be at the hands of the Democratic

Party and their allies because they are ripping the country apart

with their

nonsense.

Anybody in this country who has any money or assets at all and would
like to keep some of it should bail, and take their money and assets
with them (and make sure that their assets are NOT denominated in US
dollars). I'm extremely fortunate that I never had any offspring, so I
don't have to worry about the godawful mess that's coming - and soon.
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On 2019 Aug 08 07:23:54, you wrote to me:

have you failed to notice that all of the domestic terrorists have
been Trump/GOP followers? that's where the intent and hate is...

Just like the ones who are democratic and Muslim, you never hear about those either.

care to name those domestic terrorists that are democratic[sic] and Muslim that have shot up things and killed/injured numerous folk since trump assailed the office of POTUS?

Just as you never here about the black on black murder happening in Chicago. Not a peep. Why is that?

are they domestic terrorists? that is the topic... not generally bullshit shootings that happen every day by f#ckin' idiots that don't know how to properly handle themselves in a civilized society...

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On 2019 Aug 08 10:59:58, you wrote to me:

have you failed to notice that all of the domestic terrorists have been
Trump/GOP followers? that's where the intent and hate is...

Not true, Mark. You're ignoring the whole "Antifa" movement, all of
whom are domestic terrorists and none of whom are Trump/GOP followers

really? can you show us any antifa shooters' names? hell, even just one? the fact is that none of the shooters have been truely linked to antifa though there's numerous right-wing tales going around that are trying to do just that... if you repeat it enough times, it'll become the truth, right??

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On 2019 Aug 08 16:53:00, you wrote to GREGORY DEYSS:

there's more than enough to take him out... the only thing required is
for someone to pull the damned trigger and get the process started...

Read the above carefully.

yes, you shoulr read the WHOLE exchange carefully... i'm not the one who brought up "pulling the trigger"...

If a conservative said such a thing in a forum more public than this one, and Hussein Obama was president, they'd have feds at their door taking their computers, firearms, consigning their kids to child protective services.....

bullshit...

And here in Fido, had a conservative said such a thing the `Kracht'

thingie

would come down on their sysop to shut them out of the echo (if not cut them out of Fido altogether!).

wrong, again... you were punted numerous times for failing to follow the rules and having complaints filed against you... deal with it, cry baby...

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On 08-08-19 23:21, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Bob Ackley about Re: Trump Was There <=-

Baltimore was a cesspool over forty years ago when I was stationed in
the area. Apparently it hasn't improved much, if at all.

Baltimore was a cesspool when I lived there 12 years ago too. It's of course, not a cesspool, if you've got millions of dollars and live in a gated community. Everything is probably pretty peaceful in the Cummings side of town.

We have lived in central Maryland for 50 years. We have seen many
changes in Baltimore during that time. There are many ethnic
communities in Baltimore, and we used to go to the many festivals that
each would have. That was probably more true of Eastern Baltimore than
the west side. OTOH, the west side has much to be proud of, e.g. John
Hopkins Hospital and university, the Oriole's stadium and the Raven's
stadium. In the middle of it all is the Inner Harbor which has
developed to be a tourist destination.

I am proud that Cummings is my Congressman.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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Hello Greg,

DS> GD> They cant get him on collusion or obstruction,
DS>
DS> At least not until he is no longer POTUS.

Until he is no longer POTUS? That will be 2024 but still he will not be >charged. No crime that was committed by any American, this includes the
POTUS.

Nixon resigned from office in disgrace before the end of his second
term. Ford then granted him a presidential pardon for all crimes
committed. Not crimes he may have committed, but for all crimes
committed. Do note the difference.

If Donald Trump knows he will be tried and convicted upon losing
the election, what do you think he will do? I guarantee he will not
wait around until the winner is sworn in as president.

DS> GD> This was put squarely with a laser scope onto Elijah
DS> GD> Cummings.
DS>
DS> And Cummings (who just happens to be my Congressman) is not solely
DS> responsible for the conditions referred to in Trump's tweet, nor are
DS> those conditions unique to Baltimore. Some of the substandard
housing
DS> in Baltimore is owned by the Trump family.

Cummings said twenty years ago said that Baltimore was Drug infested, it >still is today, nothing has changed even after billions of dollars being >pumped into the city, it remains a cesspool.

Cummings was gracious enough to invite the President to visit
his fair city. The President should take him up on his offer, and
allow the Congressman to show him how nice the place really is.

--Lee

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Hello Dale,

DS> GD> They cant get him on collusion or obstruction,
DS>
DS> At least not until he is no longer POTUS.

GD> Until he is no longer POTUS? That will be 2024 but still he will not
GD> be charged.

We have until November 2020 to see if he is going to be POTUS until 2024
or not. If he is voted out, the statue of limitations on his crimes
will not have expired and he can expect to be indicted and tried.

Assuming he does not win a second consecutive term, it is possible
he could be indicted, tried and convicted for crimes committed.
However, no former president has ever been tried and convicted, or
served a single day in jail. And no former vice president (Aaron
Burr was tried, but found not guilty).

President Jefferson Davis was arrested after the fall of the CSA,
but never tried and convicted. Or even charged with a crime.
Just held in detention, then let go after a time.

As such, I have my doubts if Donald J. Trump will ever spend a single
day in jail. What may happen, and quite likely, is if he knows he has
no chance of winning the election he will resign from office, and let
President Pence grant him a full presidential pardon for all crimes
committed.

Kind of like what Nixon did with Ford.

What a fun race it would be between Fundamentalist Mike Pence
and non-Christian Yang Yang.

No crime that was committed by any American, this includes
the POTUS.

Really -- what about those in his campaign and administration that have >already been convicted of crimes and are in prison? More to come.

Read the articles of impeachment concerning Andrew Johnson.
What were the charges? The Congress held he was a racist and
a bigot. This was harmful to society. That was the grounds.
Johnson was impeached by the House, but not removed from office
by the Senate.

Read US Rep. Al Green's comments concerning impeachment. His
argument is basically the same as what was used against Johnson.
If what Trump is doing is harmful to society, that is valid
grounds for impeachment.

--Lee

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Hello Dale,

DS> Most, if not all, of those immigrants he is trying to keep out are
not
DS> terrorists of any sort.

AT> It only takes 1 terrorist to kill hundreds of innocent people.

DS> What is Trump doing to fight against terrorism by Americans,
especially
DS> the white nationalist ones. They are a bigger problem today.

<<SNIP>>

AT> White nationalists though? I don't think white nationalists have
AT> killed many people lately. There was the guy at the Unite the Right
AT> rally, but any others? Can that guy be utilized by the Democrats to
AT> paint white people as mentally unstable domestic terrorists?

One such white nationalist killed 20 and injured more than two dozen
tonight in El Paso. He drove more than 600 miles from his home on the
other side of Texas to do so.

The most dangerous thing we do, every day, is drive.

Nobody needs a gun to drive.

But it does help to fill up the tank.

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

I don't think so. I doubt that this country will survive another >BA>decade.

Why would you suggest that? If so it will be at the hands of the Democratic >Party and their allies because they are ripping the country apart with their >nonsense.

The world as we know it comes to an end on December 28, 2019.

--Lee

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Hello Bob,

And here in Fido, had a conservative said such a thing the `Kracht'

thingie

would come down on their sysop to shut them out of the echo (if not

cut them

out of Fido altogether!).

Something over 20 years ago a fairly radical right wing nut used to
post in these echoes - thankfully his name escapes me - he was
eventually arrested, tried, convicted and jailed - but as far as I know
he never hurt anybody, although he did make some people a bit nervous.

He wrote a book and posted it online for free download after his
days on fidonet ran out. I'll have to give him a call and invite him
back in. Assuming he has a computer that still works.

--Lee

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Chicago. Not a peep. Why is that?

are they domestic terrorists? that is the topic... not generally bullshit shootings that happen every day by f#ckin' idiots that don't know how to properly handle themselves in a civilized society...

More deaths is a bigger deal than domestic terrorism; it's just missing the label. Domestic terrorists are a match to the description you've provided.

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We have lived in central Maryland for 50 years. We have seen many

The crime is despicable, not just in Baltimore, but also in nearby Baltimore county. It's not necessarily Rep. Cummings' fault, but my point is what
changes can be made to curb the violence? And how will any of those changes happen if the reps for the district hide behind concrete walls? It's not Rep Cummings' kids who are being shot at while swimming in public pools.

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On 2019 Aug 08 10:59:58, you wrote to me:

have you failed to notice that all of the domestic terrorists

have been

Trump/GOP followers? that's where the intent and hate is...

Not true, Mark. You're ignoring the whole "Antifa" movement,

all of

whom are domestic terrorists and none of whom are Trump/GOP

followers

really? can you show us any antifa shooters' names?

That's rather ingenuous, Mark. Those people hide their identities
behind hoods and masks, and I think you know that.
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On 08 Aug 2019, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

On 08-05-19, MARK LEWIS said to GREGORY DEYSS:

there's more than enough to take him out... the only thing required is ML>someone to pull the damned trigger and get the process started...

Read the above carefully.

Yes the word scholar has chosen his words very inappropriately, where it does dance to the edge and is alarming, it is also design, to anger the reader if one lets their immigration float for more then a moment
It was intentionally crafted this way.

Yes I know Tim, if these words were used toward a Democratic politician
they would be the first ones to contact the authorities to report a
potential threat.

And here in Fido, had a conservative said such a thing the `Kracht' thingie would come down on their sysop to shut them out of the echo (if not cut them out of Fido altogether!).

Get yourself a copy of the nodelist and make a complaint to suggest they that they police their own, as a concerned citizen and a patriot before it gets out of hand and other actions are taken.

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We have lived in central Maryland for 50 years. We have seen many
changes in Baltimore during that time. There are many ethnic
communities in Baltimore, and we used to go to the many festivals that each would have. That was probably more true of Eastern Baltimore than the west side. OTOH, the west side has much to be proud of, e.g. John Hopkins Hospital and university, the Oriole's stadium and the Raven's stadium. In the middle of it all is the Inner Harbor which has
developed to be a tourist destination.

I have lived in Maryland my whole life and I'm old.

IMO, the city of Baltimore is an unsafe place to visit. The inner harbor is filthy, I have docked my boat there several times and the trash in the water says it all. In my travels on the Chesapeake Bay; Baltimore has
always been filthiest port I've been to...

The city itself is only safe if you stay in the right places, I have several friends that have been mugged there and I still remember the wandering punks looking for easy targets when i was a teenager.

And then there was all the rioting not that long ago.... classy place....

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On 09 Aug 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Aug 08 07:23:54, you wrote to me:

have you failed to notice that all of the domestic terrorists have
been Trump/GOP followers? that's where the intent and hate is...

Just like the ones who are democratic and Muslim, you never hear

abou

those either.

care to name those domestic terrorists that are democratic[sic] and
Muslim that have shot up things and killed/injured numerous folk since trump assailed the office of POTUS?

Just as you never here about the black on black murder happening in Chicago. Not a peep. Why is that?

are they domestic terrorists? that is the topic... not generally bullshit shootings that happen every day by f#ckin' idiots that don't know how to properly handle themselves in a civilized society...

So what are you suggesting? In order to be consider domestic terrorist you must
be white, and that these blacks that are killing each other in Chicago don't matter because they are not civilized.

That's pretty racist, and just as bad as Joe Biden saying
"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."
This goof is the leader in the Democratic race for the Presidency.

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On 2019 Aug 10 09:15:34, you wrote to me:

Chicago. Not a peep. Why is that?

are they domestic terrorists? that is the topic... not generally
bullshit shootings that happen every day by f#ckin' idiots that don't
know how to properly handle themselves in a civilized society...

More deaths is a bigger deal than domestic terrorism; it's just
missing the label. Domestic terrorists are a match to the description you've provided.

https://www.aclu.org/other/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-domestic-terrorism

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to:

(i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.

Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.


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On 2019 Aug 11 09:34:40, you wrote to TIM RICHARDSON:

there's more than enough to take him out... the only thing required
is someone to pull the damned trigger and get the process started...

Read the above carefully.

Yes the word scholar

i didn't know you thought so highly of me...

has chosen his words very inappropriately,

i followed your lead...

where it does dance to the edge and is alarming, it is also design, to anger the reader if one lets their immigration float for more then a moment It was intentionally crafted this way.

wow! you do think highly of me... especially since you seem to think that i craft my verbiage specifically to incite readers... HINT: i do no such thing...

Yes I know Tim, if these words were used toward a Democratic
politician they would be the first ones to contact the authorities to report a potential threat.

i submit that you are filtering... devin nunes is a republican filing frivilous lawsuits against his own proposal to cut down on such traffic in the courts... when you look up devin nunes the result is resoundingly "snowflake"...

And here in Fido, had a conservative said such a thing the `Kracht'
thingie would come down on their sysop to shut them out of the echo
(if not cut them out of Fido altogether!).

Get yourself a copy of the nodelist and make a complaint to suggest they that they police their own, as a concerned citizen and a patriot before

it

gets out of hand and other actions are taken.

tim has been offered and given assistance numerous times on setting up a FTN mailer, tosser and reader so he could get his own full fledged node number... he has failed in every instance...

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On 2019 Aug 11 11:01:36, you wrote to me:

Just as you never here about the black on black murder happening in
Chicago. Not a peep. Why is that?

are they domestic terrorists? that is the topic... not generally
bullshit shootings that happen every day by f#ckin' idiots that don't
know how to properly handle themselves in a civilized society...

So what are you suggesting?

i'm not suggesting anything... i made a plain, easy to understand, statement... no suggestion about it at all...

In order to be consider domestic terrorist you must be white, and that these blacks that are killing each other in Chicago don't matter
because they are not civilized.

those are your words...

That's pretty racist,

they came from your brain/mouth/fingers... says a lot about you...

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On 08-11-19, MARK LEWIS said to GREGORY DEYSS:

tim has been offered and given assistance numerous times on setting up a ML>FTN mailer, tosser and reader so he could get his own full fledged node ML>number... he has failed in every instance...

`tim' is not now.....nor has he *ever* been interested in setting up any `FTN mailer, tosser, and reader'....nor interested in obtaining any `node' number.


I have never TRIED such things, thus there is no `failed in every instance'... since there has never been any `...instance' in the first place!


I have several times been offered the opportunity to do all that crap....


And I have a few times carefully weighed the notion of doing so.


But upon reflection I decided that I wasn't all that interested in being part of this THAT deeply.


I do this `Fido' thingy to pass idle time. The infrequency I DL message packets, and even more infrequent replies are the measure of the give-a-shit factor with which I regard Fido anymore.


One high ranking individual in this zone (who's name will not be mentioned) falsely accused a user of being a convicted child molester, and implied that other similar charges were `pending'.


The person who should have acted to rectify the false charges (who's name will also not be mentioned) not only did not remonstrate with the accuser, but posted a reply to the thread that appeared to back up the false claim.


When I spoke up and pointed out the hypocrisy of the two individuals refusing to live up to a standard they themselves demanded of others, and defended the user against them.....they made trouble for me such that my access to Fido was greatly restricted. In fact, I was only able to `read' but not post for a long time.


Neither one of the offenders ever issued any sort of apology to the person
they falsely accused, or ever owned up to their deliberate slander.


And you would probably not be greatly surprised at the `lefties' in Fido who lined up behind them.


The more that incident unfolded the closer my `give-a-shit' meter needle got
to zero.


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On 08-11-19 11:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Trump Was There <=-

are they domestic terrorists? that is the topic... not generally bullshit shootings that happen every day by f#ckin' idiots that don't know how to properly handle themselves in a civilized society...

So what are you suggesting? In order to be consider
domestic terrorist you must
be white,

The domestic terrorists are those who execute mass shootings. Most if
not all of them are white males.

and that these blacks that are killing each other in Chicago
don't matter because they are not civilized.

Of course those shootings matter, but they are in another class (or
more). Those lives matter as much as the ones taken by the mass
shootings. The difference is that they are isolated to an area and do
not get the national media attention, or at least not as much.

That's pretty racist, and just as bad as Joe Biden saying
"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."
This goof is the leader in the Democratic race for the Presidency.

Why is that a goof? The poor kids may well start out just as smart as
the more affuent kids -- but pretty soon lack of decent education and environment tip the scales against the poor kids.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 11 Aug 2019, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

When I spoke up and pointed out the hypocrisy of the two individuals refusing to live up to a standard they themselves demanded of others,
and defended the user against them.....they made trouble for me such
that my access to Fido was greatly restricted. In fact, I was only able
to `read' but not post for a long time.

That will never happen to you here if you connect at Capital Station BBS telnet://csbbs.dyndns.org as I am hub in all of New York State, and I get my feed out of the United States.

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On 12 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."
This goof is the leader in the Democratic race for the Presidency.

Why is that a goof?

Obviously you missed it also, he is suggesting that the poor kids are black kids.

"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."

I hope that crazy Uncle Joe is one of the last men standing, when it comes
time for the Presidential debates, Trump will destroy him.

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The domestic terrorists are those who execute mass shootings. Most if
not all of them are white males.

But is it PC to notice the color of their skin?

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On 11 Aug 2019, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

When I spoke up and pointed out the hypocrisy of the two individuals refusing to live up to a standard they themselves demanded of others, and defended the user against them.....they made trouble for me such that my access to Fido was greatly restricted. In fact, I was only

able

to `read' but not post for a long time.

That will never happen to you here if you connect at Capital Station BBS telnet://csbbs.dyndns.org as I am hub in all of New York State, and I

get my

feed out of the United States.

Way back in the dial-up dark ages Fidonet was very hierarchical, and it
was possible to enact and enforce discipline on the users. At one time POLITICS had a limit of 250 posts per individual per day, and I got
moderated a couple of times for exceeding that limit. But we all got
along okay and pretty much behaved ourselves. Moderating is no longer
possible and net discipline can't be enforced because anyone who
misbehaves can just find another feed and get around feed cuts that way.

In case anyone cares, the creator and first moderator of the POLITICS
echo was a fellow named Ed Cleary, who, if memory serves had a real job
as an attorney. Ed passed the moderator hat to David Bloomberg (aka 'Crackpot') sometime back around 1990. In the early 2000s David turned
the moderatorship over to Gary Braswell, who quietly vanished a year or
two later.

If memory serves, ALL-POLITICS was set up in the late 1990s by Bob
Sakowski, Stan Hardegree and one other fellow who's name escapes me at
the moment, primarily because they were not happy with the moderating in POLITICS.
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The domestic terrorists are those who execute mass shootings. Most if not all of them are white males.

But is it PC to notice the color of their skin?

It is if they're white, but isn't if they aren't.
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On 08-12-19 07:16, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump Was There <=-

"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."
This goof is the leader in the Democratic race for the Presidency.

Why is that a goof?

Obviously you missed it also, he is suggesting that the poor kids are black kids.

"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."

I hope that crazy Uncle Joe is one of the last men standing, when it
comes time for the Presidential debates, Trump will destroy him.

Poor kids could also have applied to children in the foothills of
Apalachia -- but even if he meant to say "Poor black kids are just as
smart as white kids", why is that wrong? Until environment and social
factors take charge that is probably true.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 08-12-19 13:39, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump Was There <=-

The domestic terrorists are those who execute mass shootings. Most if
not all of them are white males.

But is it PC to notice the color of their skin?

It is when the point is to negate the assumption that mass shootings are
the work of Muslem terrorists, or Hispanics, or blacks. The fact is
that for the most part, mass shooting terrorist attacks come from
white males rather than any of those other groups some try to blame.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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It is when the point is to negate the assumption that mass shootings are the work of Muslem terrorists, or Hispanics, or blacks. The fact is
that for the most part, mass shooting terrorist attacks come from
white males rather than any of those other groups some try to blame.

Calling mass shooters "white people" is like calling suicide bombers
"islamic people." I know that liberals like to put on the hero badge for condemning racism, but just don't forget that racism against white people exists also, and it's not a bigger or smaller deal.

White people don't need to apologize to anyone for the effects of racism, unless they are red-handedly guilty.

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Hello Greg,

"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."
This goof is the leader in the Democratic race for the Presidency.

Why is that a goof?

Obviously you missed it also, he is suggesting that the poor kids are black >kids.

"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."

Biden misspoke, as he explained at least 15 times afterward,
as he had meant to say "Poor kids are just as smart as rich kids."

I hope that crazy Uncle Joe is one of the last men standing, when it comes
time for the Presidential debates, Trump will destroy him.

Trump is not a debater. An agitator, yes. But not a debater.

--Lee

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Hello Dale,

"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."
This goof is the leader in the Democratic race for the Presidency.

Why is that a goof?

Obviously you missed it also, he is suggesting that the poor kids are >GD>black kids.

"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."

I hope that crazy Uncle Joe is one of the last men standing, when GD>it

comes time for the Presidential debates, Trump will destroy him.

Poor kids could also have applied to children in the foothills of
Apalachia -- but even if he meant to say "Poor black kids are just as
smart as white kids", why is that wrong? Until environment and social >factors take charge that is probably true.

Biden claims he had meant to say "Poor black kids are just as smart
as rich kids." This is not the first time he misspoke, and later did
so again in reference to the Parkland mass shooting. But that iw who
he is. And if he keeps it up, it may cost him his bid to win the
Democratic nomination.

--Lee

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On 08-13-19 08:15, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump Was There <=-

It is when the point is to negate the assumption that mass shootings are the work of Muslem terrorists, or Hispanics, or blacks. The fact is
that for the most part, mass shooting terrorist attacks come from
white males rather than any of those other groups some try to blame.

Calling mass shooters "white people" is like calling suicide bombers "islamic people."

That depends on whether or not the suicide bombers were Islamic.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)




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On 12 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 08-11-19 11:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Trump Was There <=-

are they domestic terrorists? that is the topic... not generally

bull

shootings that happen every day by f#ckin' idiots that don't know

how

properly handle themselves in a civilized society...

So what are you suggesting? In order to be consider
domestic terrorist you must
be white,

The domestic terrorists are those who execute mass shootings. Most if
not all of them are white males.

and that these blacks that are killing each other in Chicago
don't matter because they are not civilized.

Of course those shootings matter, but they are in another class (or
more). Those lives matter as much as the ones taken by the mass shootings. The difference is that they are isolated to an area and do
not get the national media attention, or at least not as much.

Now would a good time for the Black lives Matter brigade to host a parade, they
could get Kaepernick to be the Grand Marshall.

Oh that's right that wouldn't work, because there are no cops to blame.

That's pretty racist, and just as bad as Joe Biden saying
"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."
This goof is the leader in the Democratic race for the Presidency.

Why is that a goof? The poor kids may well start out just as smart as
the more affuent kids -- but pretty soon lack of decent education and environment tip the scales against the poor kids.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)

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Trump is not a debater. An agitator, yes. But not a debater.

If you throw a half-dead zombie like Hillary Clinton in there, he'll debate
it to death.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/03 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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Calling mass shooters "white people" is like calling suicide bombers "islamic people."

That depends on whether or not the suicide bombers were Islamic.

So the white people thing is for sure, but the islamic people thing depends..

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On 08-12-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 11 Aug 2019, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

When I spoke up and pointed out the hypocrisy of the two individuals refusing to live up to a standard they themselves demanded of others,
and defended the user against them.....they made trouble for me such
that my access to Fido was greatly restricted. In fact, I was only able
to `read' but not post for a long time.

That will never happen to you here if you connect at Capital Station BBS GD>telnet://csbbs.dyndns.org as I am hub in all of New York State, and I get GD>my feed out of the United States.

Thank you. I will keep that in mind. There were a couple of sysops outside the country who tried to help me in that way, but this piece of crap windows 10 wasn't compatible no matter what type of reader/writer software I tried or
they set me up with.


One in Germany, one in Sweden (I think) and another in Australia or New Zealand.


And BTW I will log on to your BBS soon. Can it be done from the web?


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On 08-12-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 08-11-19 11:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Trump Was There <=-

So what are you suggesting? In order to be consider
domestic terrorist you must
be white,

The domestic terrorists are those who execute mass shootings. Most if DS>not all of them are white males.

Here's a dirty little secret the lefties either in the media OR in social
media *never* talk about or even mention; I gotta pull up a file I recently found......


Ok; on the weekend of August 2nd 3rd 4th, there were 53 people shot with 7 of them dying. Two mass shootings were within hours! of each other!


Most of the victims were black and most of the `shooters' were black also.

and that these blacks that are killing each other in Chicago
don't matter because they are not civilized.

There were several cops wounded by gunfire in Philadelphia when they tried to arrest someone who had an extensive arrest record, and who shouldn't even have had a gun due to the `background checks'! (the guy was black)


There is a sort of side note; Many spectators began harassing the cops and throwing stuff at them. One woman even pushed a cop from behind!


The `shooter' was black (gasp!). So were the crowd who harassed and threw
stuff at the cops!

Of course those shootings matter, but they are in another class (or DS>more).

The lefties always try to cover their hypocrisy with an `...oh...well..... thats diiiferent'!

Those lives matter as much as the ones taken by the mass
shootings. The difference is that they are isolated to an area and do

So....forty-some shootings in a two or three day period are nothing because `they are isolated to an area'! (Hint! Pretty well all `mass shootings' are `isolated to an area'!

not get the national media attention, or at least not as much.

Thats because they don't have any `get Donald Trump' value to them.

That's pretty racist, and just as bad as Joe Biden saying
"That poor kids are just as smart as white kids."

They cover their own racism by throwing that accusation at conservatives, when they don't have anything sensible to contribute to a conversation (which is most of the time).


By the way...about 19 people were shot in the space of 4 hours in Chicago during the weekend of 2nd through 4th this month!


Lets thumb back a bit:


There were 8 dead and 39 wounded in last weekend of July this year.


The weekend prior to that 8 killed and 40 wounded.


During the fourth of July weekend there were about 70 people shot in Chicago! Five died!


You don't hear or see any of that in the leftie media. Nobody screams about
the deaths and gunshot wounds.


But if you add up a few things....let me check something....


About 20 people killed at the El Paso shooting site...10 at the Dayton site...


So there's 30 people killed at two locations within a couple of days.


That isn't even the number of people killed in one city (Chicago) in a one
year period!


Let me check on that......


In 2016 there were 95 homicides in Chicago in the FIRST TWO MONTHS! Thats more people (and then some) than who died in these last two mass shootings. And
that was just the first two months!

This goof is the leader in the Democratic race for the Presidency.

Why is that a goof?

The poor kids may well start out just as smart as
the more affuent kids -- but pretty soon lack of decent education and DS>environment tip the scales against the poor kids.

`Decent education'? In a leftist-leaning `unionist-mentality' teaching environment?


`Pretty soon' lack a decent education?


There's no `pretty soon' to it. It's been substandard for decades!






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On 08-12-19, AARON THOMAS said to DALE SHIPP:

The domestic terrorists are those who execute mass shootings. Most if
not all of them are white males.

But is it PC to notice the color of their skin?

You're talking to a leftie. They don't hold themselves to the same high standards they demand of conservatives. When they or one of theirs toss out an obvious racist remark and you call them on it, then its the famous leftie `oh..well...thats diiiferent'!





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On 08-13-19, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

On 08-12-19 13:39, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump Was There <=-

The domestic terrorists are those who execute mass shootings. Most if
not all of them are white males.

But is it PC to notice the color of their skin?

It is when the point is to negate the assumption that mass shootings are DS>the work of Muslem terrorists, or Hispanics, or blacks.

Translation: Lefties can do it and its considered nothing....but conservatives better not even make lefties THINK they're dooing it because all hell will break loose!

The fact is
that for the most part, mass shooting terrorist attacks come from
white males rather than any of those other groups some try to blame.

Let me check something.....(BTW...there are 309 homicides in Chicago so far this year!)....yeah; for the previous 365 days most homicides are committed in the south and west sides. The majority of those homicides were from firearms.


The majority of those victims are young, black men..And the `perps' were also black.


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On 08-14-19, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

On 08-13-19 08:15, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump Was There <=-

Calling mass shooters "white people" is like calling suicide bombers "islamic people."

That depends on whether or not the suicide bombers were Islamic.

Oh...let us count the `Islamics':



Ahmad Khan Rahami; set of multiple bombs in New York and New Jersey; injured over 30 people.


He was `Islamic'.


Abdul Razak Ali Artan; tried to hack people to death with a butcher knife.
Shot dead by police.


He was `Islamic'.


Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad shot and killed a soldier at an Army recruiting office in Little Rock....


He was `Islamic'.


Major Nidal Malik Hasan opened fire at Fort Hood, Tx, killing 14 people. BTW...it was six years before Hussein Obama to acknowledge it was `terror' related and not `work place violence'!


Hasan was `Islamic'!


Tamerlan and Dhozkar Tsarnaev planted two bombs at the Boston Marathon in 2013 killing three and injuring over 260 people.


They were `Islamic'.


Alton Nolan beheaded a woman in Moore, Oklahoma. He was a radicalized `Muslim' who was obsessed with `beheadings'.


He was `Islamic'.


Zale Thompson, a self-radicalized Muslim, attacked two cops with a hatchet and was shot dead by other cops on the scene in Queens, NY.


He was an `Islamic'.


Ismaayil Brinsley shot and killed two cops execution style. His face book page had Islamic jihadist posts and he was linked to a terror-linked mosque


He was an `Islamic'.


There were many other acts of violence and murder;


Garland, Tex


Chattanooga, Tennessee


San Bernardino, CA


Orlando, Fla


St Cloud, Minn


New York City


New Jersey


Columbus, Ohio


All `Islamic' attacks.


And I didn't even mention the 3000 or more killed on 9/11/2001 by `Islamics'.







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Hello Tim,

When I spoke up and pointed out the hypocrisy of the two individuals refusing to live up to a standard they themselves demanded of others,
and defended the user against them.....they made trouble for me such
that my access to Fido was greatly restricted. In fact, I was only able to `read' but not post for a long time.

That will never happen to you here if you connect at Capital Station BBS GD>telnet://csbbs.dyndns.org as I am hub in all of New York State, and I

get

my feed out of the United States.

Thank you. I will keep that in mind. There were a couple of sysops outside the
country who tried to help me in that way, but this piece of crap windows 10 wasn't compatible no matter what type of reader/writer software I tried or they set me up with.

There are windows xp laptops available for under $100 available
on amazon.

One in Germany, one in Sweden (I think) and another in Australia or New >Zealand.

I am sure there are many others as well who would gladly do the same.

And BTW I will log on to your BBS soon. Can it be done from the web?

As long as you don't call him Fredo, you should be okay. :)

--Lee

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On 08-16-19 20:31, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Trump Was There <=-

<<the rest of your carefully gathered gun violence statistics snipped.
Thank you for it.>>

During the fourth of July weekend there were about 70 people shot in Chicago! Five died!

You have made a pretty good case for better gun control. Glad to see
that we can agree on something.

The poor kids may well start out just as smart as
the more affuent kids -- but pretty soon lack of decent education and
environment tip the scales against the poor kids.

`Decent education'? In a leftist-leaning `unionist-mentality' teaching environment?
`Pretty soon' lack a decent education?

There's no `pretty soon' to it. It's been substandard for decades!

You are right, and that I did not say that the lack of decent education
was new. What I said was that such lack quickly tips the scales against
the poor kids.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 08-16-19 21:01, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Trump Was There <=-

The fact is
that for the most part, mass shooting terrorist attacks come from
white males rather than any of those other groups some try to blame.

Notice -- the topic under discussion is mass shootings by an individual,
i.e. four or more people killed.

Let me check something.....(BTW...there are 309 homicides in Chicago
so far this year!)....yeah; for the previous 365 days most homicides
are committed in the south and west sides. The majority of those
homicides were from firearms.

Were any of those mass shootings?

The majority of those victims are young, black men..And the `perps'
were also black.

And yet again you make the case for better and effective gun control in
the USA. Thanks.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 08-16-19 23:04, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Trump Was There <=-

Calling mass shooters "white people" is like calling suicide bombers "islamic people."

That depends on whether or not the suicide bombers were Islamic.

Oh...let us count the `Islamics':

Ahmad Khan Rahami; set of multiple bombs in New York and New Jersey; injured over 30 people.
He was `Islamic'.

Not a mass shooting.

Abdul Razak Ali Artan; tried to hack people to death with a butcher
knife. Shot dead by police.
He was `Islamic'.

One of many attempted murders in the USA every day. But not relevant to
the topic at hand which is mass shootings.

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad shot and killed a soldier at an Army recruiting office in Little Rock....
He was `Islamic'.

Not a mass shooting.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan opened fire at Fort Hood, Tx, killing 14
people. BTW...it was six years before Hussein Obama to acknowledge it
was `terror' related and not `work place violence'!
Hasan was `Islamic'!

Yes, a mass shooting.

Tamerlan and Dhozkar Tsarnaev planted two bombs at the Boston Marathon
in 2013 killing three and injuring over 260 people.
They were `Islamic'.

Not a mass shooting.

Alton Nolan beheaded a woman in Moore, Oklahoma. He was a radicalized `Muslim' who was obsessed with `beheadings'.
He was `Islamic'.

Not a mass shooting.

Zale Thompson, a self-radicalized Muslim, attacked two cops with a
hatchet and was shot dead by other cops on the scene in Queens, NY.
He was an `Islamic'.

Not a mass shooting.

Ismaayil Brinsley shot and killed two cops execution style. His face
book page had Islamic jihadist posts and he was linked to a
terror-linked mosque
He was an `Islamic'.

Not a mass shooting.

There were many other acts of violence and murder;

Unfortunately, that happens every day.

And I didn't even mention the 3000 or more killed on 9/11/2001 by `Islamics'.

The worst of them all -- but not in the current topic of discussion.

So, you attempted to present seven examples of Islamic mass shootings.
But only one qualifies. Sorry -- but you have not refuted the point
that most mass shootings in the USA today are made by white males.

Dale Shipp
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On 08-18-19, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 08-16-19 20:31, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Trump Was There <=-

<<the rest of your carefully gathered gun violence statistics snipped. DS>Thank you for it.>>

During the fourth of July weekend there were about 70 people shot in Chicago! Five died!

You have made a pretty good case for better gun control. Glad to see DS>that we can agree on something.

We don't. Actually, I made a pretty good case for *....right to {keep} and {bear} arms!* If the people in Chicago (and elsewhere) were allowed to make full use of their rights under the Second Amendment there would probably be
far less likelyhood of some dipwick with a gun trying a mass shooting.


Gun control does nothing bu insure that, when some brickbat with a hardon for life gets the notion to shoot up a `gun-free' zone, there will be nobody to resist because nobody will be armed.


Another thing.....


All more and more `gun control' do is disarm the people a little more with
each knee-jerk reaction to a new shooting incident.


And the actual aim is pretty simple to see;


The more `control' put on people...the less the 2ND AMENDMENT actually means.


The left can't outright abandon it, and its unlikely it will ever be `repealed'.


But if they can....


restrict those who can actually take advantage of their 2ND AMENDMENT right;


restrict `types' of firearms people can own;


restrict number of firearms people can buy in any given time period;


put `background checks' on the purchase of ammo;


raise the bar on background checks to include more and more individuals
being restricted;


force gun registration (which many states, California included, already have)


restrict amounts of ammo anyone can buy in a given period (which is coming to California soon);


they will know pretty well everyone who owns and possesses a firearm...what calibers they own...roughly how much ammunition they have...where those firearms are kept...


and it will not be long down the road when there will be laws passed that forbid any private citizen to own or possess a firearm in the US, and the only people with firearms will be military; cops; government agents;


And the governments (state, local and federal) will not be `governing by the people for the people' anymore, they will be `ruling' and the citizenry will
be under their thumb.


I know you and those like you don't give a shit about that. But I do. and so
do a lot of other people.

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On 08-18-19, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Let me check something.....(BTW...there are 309 homicides in Chicago
so far this year!)....yeah; for the previous 365 days most homicides
are committed in the south and west sides. The majority of those
homicides were from firearms.

Were any of those mass shootings?

Yes. Several.

The majority of those victims are young, black men..And the `perps'
were also black.

And yet again you make the case for better and effective gun control in DS>the USA. Thanks.

You are dilusional.

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On 16 Aug 2019, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

On 08-12-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 11 Aug 2019, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

When I spoke up and pointed out the hypocrisy of the two individuals refusing to live up to a standard they themselves demanded of others, and defended the user against them.....they made trouble for me such that my access to Fido was greatly restricted. In fact, I was only

abl

to `read' but not post for a long time.

That will never happen to you here if you connect at Capital Station

BB

telnet://csbbs.dyndns.org as I am hub in all of New York State, and I GD>my feed out of the United States.

Thank you. I will keep that in mind. There were a couple of sysops
outside the country who tried to help me in that way, but this piece of crap windows 10 wasn't compatible no matter what type of reader/writer software I tried or they set me up with.

One in Germany, one in Sweden (I think) and another in Australia or New Zealand.

And BTW I will log on to your BBS soon. Can it be done from the web?

Sure can you can access it from https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/bbs/capital-station-bbs/
at the bottom of this page.

I run Mystic BBS Alpha 43.
I could provide detailed instructions and even remote in to your computer and set this up, anywhere in the world.

If you want log on to the BBS and provide your contact information in a
private message I am willing to do whatever you want to do.
If that is just a preferred account on the BBS as a user.
or
if you wanted to become the lastest member of Net 267.
whatever you want to do, just let me know.

Thanks

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On 08-11-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

there's more than enough to take him out... the only thing required is ML>someone to pull the damned trigger and get the process started...

Read the above carefully.

Yes the word scholar has chosen his words very inappropriately, where it GD>does dance to the edge and is alarming, it is also design, to anger the GD>reader if one lets their immigration float for more then a moment
It was intentionally crafted this way.

Yes I know Tim, if these words were used toward a Democratic politician GD>they would be the first ones to contact the authorities to report a GD>potential threat.

Recently a special forces war vet said something against ANTIFA and his firearms were immediately confiscated!


Just recently an athelete made a `finger cocking' gesture and was disciplined for it!


You recall an individual (Dale?) was recently sounding off at me about mass shootings?


Here's some info for him to chew on;


Some leftie news outfit comes out with the `shock' news that there have been over 900 deaths due to mass shootings in the last seven years! Actually. its USA Today with this `astounding' news!


But...... the city of Baltimore did that many in just three years!


Ever notice most mass shootings have a few things in common?


Like....most places they occur are `gun free zones'!


In other words...the shooter picks the place out knowing there is an almost 100% chance they will be completely unopposed.


BTW....did you see that dimwit mayor of Chicago go off on a republican for stating a factual piece of information?


Ted Cruz pointed out the city of Chicago's restrictive gun laws do nothing to curb shootings, and she went off on him.


She doesn't look smart enough to walk and chew gum at the same time, and she takes offense at hearing the truth about her hellhole of a city.

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