• back to brother and mGA8

    From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Sun Apr 18 23:55:07 2021


    I have just run into a dependency issue with the updating MGA8.
    This after the peculiar printer install routine was not comforting.

    But I am aware from a previous similar event that the mirror was
    probably updating and I should have checked first

    When I get back to it I'll try Princeton or Whitby.
    The status page show them to be a little more reliably current


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Mon Apr 19 07:16:55 2021
    On 19/4/21 8:55 am, faeychild wrote:


    To avoid the drama I decided to reinstall and use "Princeton"

    All went well with the updates except for a dependency with mplayer.

    Then I decided to install the nvidia driver and failed


    ************

    Some requested packages cannot be installed
    gcc-10.3.0-1.mga8.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied libisl.so.15()-
    (64bit))
    x11-driver-nvidia-video-current-460.67.mga8.nonfree.x86_64
    (due to unsatisfied lib64nvidia-egl-wayland1)
    **************

    Last time the driver installed OK and the updates failed with dependencies

    This time the updates went in fine and the driver failed with dependencies

    Haven't bothered to install the printer again

    It is an unpredictable mess

    Is there a secret Masonic installation order in which things must be done?

    I really HATE new releases

    maybe tomorrow


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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Mon Apr 19 08:59:51 2021
    On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 16:16:55 +1000, faeychild wrote:
    On 19/4/21 8:55 am, faeychild wrote:


    To avoid the drama I decided to reinstall and use "Princeton"

    Going to guess a classic dvd iso was used.

    All went well with the updates except for a dependency with mplayer.

    I have always found it best to immediately fix problems even unrelated
    to the problem I am trying to fix.

    Then I decided to install the nvidia driver and failed


    ************

    Some requested packages cannot be installed
    gcc-10.3.0-1.mga8.x86_64 (due to unsatisfied libisl.so.15()-
    (64bit))
    x11-driver-nvidia-video-current-460.67.mga8.nonfree.x86_64
    (due to unsatisfied lib64nvidia-egl-wayland1)
    **************

    $ grep devel new_install
    x_urpmi kernel-${_ker_type}-devel-latest ! needed to compile drivers/modules

    Going to guess you did not install the above package for your kernel type.

    Last time the driver installed OK and the updates failed with dependencies

    This time the updates went in fine and the driver failed with dependencies

    Haven't bothered to install the printer again

    It is an unpredictable mess

    Is there a secret Masonic installation order in which things must be done?

    My methodology is
    o format target partition
    o set media and partition label
    o clean install using netinstall iso.
    o run my day_one_install script <== sets system up for install/change scripts
    o reboot and run it again using the "script" command to get a log.
    o run my new_install script <== this is where the devel rpm was installed
    o reboot
    o run my install_addons script
    o run my install_toys script
    o run my install_changes script
    o reboot

    Log into bittwister and run my install_links script to link common stuff
    in $HOME that is shared across/between installs and create/setup my
    Desktop Environment (Xfce) changes.

    Log out/in and do any DE changes that were not automated.

    I really HATE new releases

    Oh yeah, guessing you did not update ~/.bash_profile to generate
    your ~/.signature file or you are posting from your Mga7 install.


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Mon Apr 19 10:20:30 2021
    On 19/4/21 5:59 pm, Bit Twister wrote:
    n"

    Going to guess a classic dvd iso was used.

    Yep Built onto a USB stick


    Going to guess you did not install the above package for your kernel type.


    Nope I gave up. Spoiled brat time!!


    Waited awhile

    My method just completed

    Reinstall from USB

    By the book according to the installer - No diversions

    Selected yes for proprietary driver when asked

    Selected yes for upgrades when asked

    I let the installer run its course and install the updates, when asked

    After all that The operation was a success



    Oh yeah, guessing you did not update ~/.bash_profile to generate
    your ~/.signature file or you are posting from your Mga7 install.


    That is one of the many little custom changes that must be done to a new setup.

    The printer is NOT in yet. Cups is - and running

    Printer driver script tomorrow and we may be home and hosed



    regards


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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Mon Apr 19 11:28:31 2021
    On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:20:30 +1000, faeychild wrote:
    On 19/4/21 5:59 pm, Bit Twister wrote:


    Oh yeah, guessing you did not update ~/.bash_profile to generate
    your ~/.signature file or you are posting from your Mga7 install.


    That is one of the many little custom changes that must be done to a new setup.

    I have a /accounts/$USER directory that has directories/files shared
    across installs. the install_links gets list from /accounts/$USER
    deletes directories/files in $HOME and creates link back to /accounts/$USER Example:
    $ ls -l .bash_profile
    lrwxrwxrwx 1 bittwister bittwister 34 Feb 9 22:24 .bash_profile ->
    /accounts/bittwister/.bash_profile

    That way I do not have to modify $HOME/.bash_profile


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Mon Apr 19 22:44:30 2021
    On 19/4/21 8:28 pm, Bit Twister wrote:


    $ ls -l .bash_profile
    lrwxrwxrwx 1 bittwister bittwister 34 Feb 9 22:24 .bash_profile ->
    /accounts/bittwister/.bash_profile

    That way I do not have to modify $HOME/.bash_profile

    Intelligent organization can work wonders, it just rarely happens.

    For instance

    https://doc.mageia.org/mcc/3/en/content/system-config-printer.html

    Is a list of instructions to install a printer with MCC.
    Almost at the bottom of the page it states

    ************
    "You should install Brother drivers before running the configuration
    utility"
    ************

    Yes! of course. Surely that's the first instruction, I would have thought.

    I am getting much better at the procedure through practice

    regards

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Tue Apr 20 03:36:24 2021
    On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 07:44:30 +1000, faeychild wrote:
    On 19/4/21 8:28 pm, Bit Twister wrote:


    $ ls -l .bash_profile
    lrwxrwxrwx 1 bittwister bittwister 34 Feb 9 22:24 .bash_profile ->
    /accounts/bittwister/.bash_profile

    That way I do not have to modify $HOME/.bash_profile

    Intelligent organization can work wonders, it just rarely happens.

    For instance

    https://doc.mageia.org/mcc/3/en/content/system-config-printer.html

    Is a list of instructions to install a printer with MCC.
    Almost at the bottom of the page it states

    ************
    "You should install Brother drivers before running the configuration
    utility"
    ************

    Yes! of course. Surely that's the first instruction, I would have thought.

    I am getting much better at the procedure through practice

    Yeah, I used to have a checklist, until it dawned on me instead of
    documenting what to do when, I could just put the commands in a script.


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Tue Apr 20 04:11:11 2021
    On 20/4/21 12:36 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

    Yeah, I used to have a checklist, until it dawned on me instead of documenting what to do when, I could just put the commands in a script.


    It has severely crossed my mind occasionally.

    The other customization that I forget until I shutdown the new install
    is to add MY shutdown permission to the sudoers file - sigh

    regards

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Tue Apr 20 09:36:19 2021
    On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 13:11:11 +1000, faeychild wrote:
    On 20/4/21 12:36 pm, Bit Twister wrote:

    Yeah, I used to have a checklist, until it dawned on me instead of
    documenting what to do when, I could just put the commands in a script.


    It has severely crossed my mind occasionally.

    The other customization that I forget until I shutdown the new install
    is to add MY shutdown permission to the sudoers file - sigh

    I can recommend using a drop-in file whenever possible. Those are files
    in a .d/ directory and have the changes/directives that you want to add/change/delete.

    sudoers man page indicates you can create directory /etc/sudoers.d/ if /etc/sudoers has "#includedir /etc/sudoers.d". Easy check, run

    tail -3 /etc/sudoers


    Files are executed in the order found.

    Here you can see that my "sudo_changes" script created the directory
    and two files.

    ]# ls -lA /etc/sudoers.d/ | head -3
    total 8
    -rw-r----- 1 root root 303 Feb 9 21:25 xx__a_general
    -rw-r----- 1 root root 270 Feb 9 21:25 xx__bittwister

    You just have the directives you would have made in /etc/sudoers.
    Example:
    ]# cat /etc/sudoers.d/xx__a_general
    ## *********************************************************
    ## Created by /local/bin/sudo_changes Tue 09 Feb 21:25 2021
    ## *********************************************************

    Host_Alias CSNETS = 192.168.11.0/24
    Cmnd_Alias SU = /usr/bin/su

    ## ******** end /etc/sudoers.d/xx__a_general ********

    I use xx__ on all my change files to make them easier to find.

    ]# locate xx__ | wc -l
    66

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  • From Doug Laidlaw@2:250/1 to All on Tue Apr 20 12:06:59 2021
    On 19/4/21 8:55 am, faeychild wrote:


    I have just run into a dependency issue with the updating MGA8.
    This after the peculiar printer install routine was not comforting.

    But I am aware from a previous similar event that the mirror was
    probably updating and I should have checked first

    When I get back to it I'll try Princeton or Whitby.
    The status page show them to be a little more reliably current


    I run Whitby. A while ago, I read that he takes his feed from
    Princeton. Usually, both are completely up-to-date. I chose Whitby
    because (a) he seems to be a Mageia user; and (b) Princeton will be busy enough already.

    Doug.

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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Tue Apr 20 16:12:13 2021
    On 4/19/21 5:44 PM, faeychild wrote:

    Intelligent organization can work wonders, it just rarely happens.

    For instance

    https://doc.mageia.org/mcc/3/en/content/system-config-printer.html

    Is a list of instructions to install a printer with MCC.
    Almost at the bottom of the page it states

    ************
    "You should install Brother drivers before running the configuration utility"
    ************

    Yes! of course. Surely that's the first instruction, I would have thought.

    Only if you have a Brother printer.

    Personally, I've stumbled enough times in my life that I've learned that
    it's usually best to read docs like that page all the way through at
    least once before attempting a procedure.

    I am getting much better at the procedure through practice

    People usually do.

    TJ

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Tue Apr 20 22:22:34 2021
    On 21/4/21 1:12 am, TJ wrote:


    Personally, I've stumbled enough times in my life that I've learned that it's usually best to read docs like that page all the way through at
    least once before attempting a procedure.

    Absolutely!

    There is a classic recipe for Rabbit stew
    It describes the preparation of the vegetables and how to fry the onions
    and saute the vegetables. Herbs and seasoning.
    The length of simmering and reduction.

    Oh!! And first, catch a Rabbit

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Tue Apr 20 22:33:26 2021
    On 20/4/21 6:36 pm, Bit Twister wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 13:11:11 +1000, faeychild wrote:

    I can recommend using a drop-in file whenever possible. Those are files
    in a .d/ directory and have the changes/directives that you want to add/change/delete.

    sudoers man page indicates you can create directory /etc/sudoers.d/ if /etc/sudoers has "#includedir /etc/sudoers.d". Easy check, run

    tail -3 /etc/sudoers

    ## Read drop-in files from /etc/sudoers.d (the # here does not mean a
    comment)
    #includedir /etc/sudoers.d



    It is less perilous work than "vi /etc/sudoers" and it could also be
    farmed out through a link

    I should test it on the new setup

    Which now includes drivers and printer installed late last night
    A traditionally stupid time to do any computer configuration

    regards

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  • From Aragorn@2:250/1 to All on Tue Apr 20 22:42:46 2021
    On 21.04.2021 at 07:22, faeychild scribbled:

    On 21/4/21 1:12 am, TJ wrote:


    Personally, I've stumbled enough times in my life that I've learned
    that it's usually best to read docs like that page all the way
    through at least once before attempting a procedure.

    Absolutely!

    There is a classic recipe for Rabbit stew
    It describes the preparation of the vegetables and how to fry the
    onions and saute the vegetables. Herbs and seasoning.
    The length of simmering and reduction.

    Oh!! And first, catch a Rabbit

    That par is easy. Just go into the woods, hide behind a tree and
    imitate the sound of a carrot. :p


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Wed Apr 21 01:46:11 2021
    On 21/4/21 7:42 am, Aragorn wrote:


    That par is easy. Just go into the woods, hide behind a tree and
    imitate the sound of a carrot. :p


    It works every time :-)

    regards


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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Wed Apr 21 03:08:20 2021
    On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:33:26 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    It is less perilous work than "vi /etc/sudoers" and it could also be
    farmed out through a link

    Note that you don't have to use vi. From man sudoedit in the environment section ...
    EDITOR Default editor to use in -e (sudoedit) mode if neither SUDO_EDITOR nor VISUAL is set.

    I use ...
    $ env|grep EDITOR
    EDITOR=/usr/bin/mcedit

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Wed Apr 21 06:31:40 2021
    On 21/4/21 12:08 pm, David W. Hodgins wrote:


    Note that you don't have to use vi. From man sudoedit in the environment section ...
    EDITOR           Default editor to use in -e (sudoedit) mode if neither
    SUDO_EDITOR nor VISUAL is set.

    I use ...
    $ env|grep EDITOR
    EDITOR=/usr/bin/mcedit


    ~]$ env|grep EDITOR
    [faeychild@unimatrix ~]$

    Not set

    And I was reminded by the man page that I should use visudo not vi

    It's so infrequent that I forget

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Wed Apr 21 15:49:43 2021
    On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:31:40 +1000, faeychild wrote:
    On 21/4/21 12:08 pm, David W. Hodgins wrote:


    Note that you don't have to use vi. From man sudoedit in the environment
    section ...
    EDITOR           Default editor to use in -e (sudoedit) mode if neither
    SUDO_EDITOR nor VISUAL is set.

    I use ...
    $ env|grep EDITOR
    EDITOR=/usr/bin/mcedit


    ~]$ env|grep EDITOR
    [faeychild@unimatrix ~]$

    Not set

    FYI:
    EDITOR defines which editor to use on files.
    VISUAL defines which editor commands to use on the command line
    Some apps allow you to have a application editor.

    $ env | grep -iE "vis|edit"
    EDITOR=geany
    SLRN_EDITOR=geany
    VISUAL=emacs

    And I was reminded by the man page that I should use visudo not vi

    Yes, because it will check sudoe syntax.


    It's so infrequent that I forget

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Thu Apr 22 03:33:02 2021
    On 22/4/21 12:49 am, Bit Twister wrote:


    FYI:
    EDITOR defines which editor to use on files.
    VISUAL defines which editor commands to use on the command line
    Some apps allow you to have a application editor.

    $ env | grep -iE "vis|edit"
    EDITOR=geany
    SLRN_EDITOR=geany
    VISUAL=emacs


    My favorite editor is Kate. For no reason that I could provide.

    maybe because it's never installed by default and so I take the "DAMN
    YOU THEN" I want that one, attitude

    Initially, back in the dark ages, I disliked it strongly.
    Kwrite was worse and vi and emacs were nightmares.

    I eventually came to terms with "vi": a sort of grudging respect.

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