Hey Nancy!

Windows 95 used to reside to be called up when called for... now
that's been taken off, and Linux put in to replace it...

Most people I know around here that made the switch did so when win2k first reared it's ugly head and thus win98 would have been the windows representative on whatever mutliboot system they had at the time. Lilo was the main one back then. I am not sure what version of windows is the choice these days. Also I never did windows not even back in the Win95 days ... or win3.1 while we're at it. I did have 5.25" boot floppies for Win2.0 but they'd only boot on a 286 which is just as well as even then I did say (and I quote), "Nobody will ever buy this."

I just need it to work

Exactly the same situation here.

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Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 22-May-2019 01:45 <=-

Windows 95 used to reside to be called up when called for... now
that's been taken off, and Linux put in to replace it...

Most people I know around here that made the switch did so when win2k first reared it's ugly head and thus win98 would have been the windows representative on whatever multiboot system they had at the time.
Lilo was the main one back then.

This computer came with Win95, and the first thing that Richard did was
to put DOS to the front and put Win95 to the background.... He only
really started playing with linux fairly recently, in the last few years
or decade or so... ;) And finally found a version he liked and could
easily work with... We've both been primarily DOS right along... :)

I am not sure what version of windows is the choice these days.

It's Win10....

Also I never did windows not even back in the Win95 days ... or win3.1 while we're at it. I did have 5.25" boot floppies for Win2.0 but
they'd only boot on a 286 which is just as well as even then I did say (and I quote), "Nobody will ever buy this."

Lots of suckers did... and still do.... ;)

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Hey Nancy!

It's Win10....

I just took a peak at what's being offered as far as preinstalled systems go and it appears Win10 is the top choice. I've never seen it in action. Most people here only have smartphones and/or tablets and for the mostpart Android is the usual suspect on those. One Chromebook and one Mac book or whatever they're calling them these days. Not counting myself only one other neighbour has a reqular computer and he uses linux, and has since he met me. I think his motivation was to beat me at the linux game - whatever that is - but I think somewhere along the line he realized that we're on totally different paths as far as what uses a computer has to offer. I tend to be more of a networking/hacker type than he is and he tends to stick to the more 'popular' uses such as digital photography and the such. I am more of a networking/server type and as we speak I have three tiny lowpower systems including the raspi I am typing this reply on as well as two wireless access points I am customizing for those who want to use them for whatever is wanted at the moment. As far as I know that is probably Facebook and/or YouTube given any conversations I have with the neighbours about wireless access. All three are pure linux. My main toy is also linux and I use that for my own purposes, mostly to play around with ideas I might have.

Lots of suckers did... and still do.... ;)

I think I was right about 2.0 though. What I failed to see was that it had a future. Beats me why.

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Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 24-May-2019 16:13 <=-

I just took a peak at what's being offered as far as preinstalled
systems go and it appears Win10 is the top choice. I've never seen it
in action. Most people here only have smartphones and/or tablets and
for the mostpart Android is the usual suspect on those. One
Chromebook and one Mac book or whatever they're calling them these days.

Richard has one laptop with Win10 installed... It has a touchscreen so
most things can be done without a pointing device... I've been borrowing
it when I need to access websites that require things like javascript
and the particular browsers on that machine... like to get my digital
coupons for Wegmans and to check out the medical interface sites like
MyChart and MyCare to get messages from my doctors and check test
results... There are still plenty of keyboard shortcuts, so with minimal touchpad use, I can get around... Still not what I'd want for my own
computer, for the rest of the stuff I do...

Not counting myself only one other neighbour has a reqular
computer and he uses linux, and has since he met me. I think his motivation was to beat me at the linux game - whatever that is - but I think somewhere along the line he realized that we're on totally
different paths as far as what uses a computer has to offer. I tend
to be more of a networking/hacker type than he is and he tends to
stick to the more 'popular' uses such as digital photography and the
such. I am more of a networking/server type and as we speak I have

Many uses for computers... :) And linux seems to work well across the
board... I'm more of an end user type, happy to just use it for my
uses... mostly messaging/writing of one sort or another, the occasional
game such as Scrabble or solitaire, and even more occasional forays to
check information on the web.... All of which is easily accomplished on
my old DOS machine... :)

three tiny lowpower systems including the raspi I am typing this reply
on as well as two wireless access points I am customizing for those
who want to use them for whatever is wanted at the moment. As far as
I know that is probably Facebook and/or YouTube given any
conversations I have with the neighbours about wireless access.

Those are common uses.... neither of which I have any interest in...
well... once in a while there might be something on YouTube that I might
have wanted to check out had I the capability, but haven't really missed
it all that much... but I'm not interested in any sort of ongoing use of
it, any more than I am of watching TV (same basis)....

All three are pure linux. My main toy is also linux and I use that
for my own purposes, mostly to play around with ideas I might have.

Your uses are more extensive than mine... :) And it seems linux works
very well for you... :)

Lots of suckers did... and still do.... ;)

I think I was right about 2.0 though. What I failed to see was that
it had a future. Beats me why.

There are all kinds.... :)

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Hey Nancy!

Richard has one laptop with Win10 installed

I feel his pain. Out here in the boonies the closest I have gotten to that is a Chromebook. I have probably seen it on laptops in stores but never touched it myself. My plan is to keep it that way. I saw on a news article that MS plans to release a Chromebook type OS in the near future which confirms to me the adverse reaction I had when I did play with a Chromebook. I did manage to get it to connect to the access point I have running on the raspberry pi but the range isn't all that great so I seriously doubt that has a future in this neck of the woods.

Still not what I'd want for my own computer

Understood. For me the keyboard was the deal breaker. I'd have to remap some of the keys to get console switching to work ... if indeed I could customize a bootable linux for it to start with. The only things in it's favour - the Chromebook that reared it's ugly head here - was the cpu and 8G of ram but that is readily duplicated in other similar devices.

And linux seems to work well across the board...

It most certainly can. Even fidonet. :-)

any more than I am of watching TV

Amen. Nothing to see there that is for sure.

And it seems linux works very well for you...

No doubt about it and has so since near the beginning mostly due to gcc and friends which was my initial attraction. Downloadable kernel source has kept me a true believer. Much fun has been had experimenting with oddball hardware over the years such as making bootable compactflash disks just before the turn of the century. That is what led me to where I am today although I haven't seen or used a compactflash disk since. However on this particular machine I am booting up a microSD card which is basically the same thing and the OS did evolve from the compactflash idea from way back when. "Flash ttylinux of the 21st Century" came out of that idea circa 2001-ish. :-)

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Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 30-May-2019 20:46 <=-

Still not what I'd want for my own computer

Understood. For me the keyboard was the deal breaker. I'd have to
remap some of the keys to get console switching to work ... if indeed
I could customize a bootable linux for it to start with. The only
things in it's favour - the Chromebook that reared it's ugly head here
- was the cpu and 8G of ram but that is readily duplicated in other similar devices.

I've never done anything with a Chromebook...

And linux seems to work well across the board...

It most certainly can. Even fidonet. :-)

Yup... I know quite a few that are using linux for various things...
including fidonet and other nets... ;)

And it seems linux works very well for you...

No doubt about it and has so since near the beginning mostly due to
gcc and friends which was my initial attraction. Downloadable kernel source has kept me a true believer. Much fun has been had
experimenting with oddball hardware over the years such as making
bootable compactflash disks just before the turn of the century. That
is what led me to where I am today although I haven't seen or used a compactflash disk since. However on this particular machine I am
booting up a microSD card which is basically the same thing and the OS
did evolve from the compactflash idea from way back when. "Flash
ttylinux of the 21st Century" came out of that idea circa 2001-ish. :-)

You've kept yourself busy there... ;)

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Hey Nancy!

I've never done anything with a Chromebook...

Just as well methinks. Offhand I am guessing the laptop you already use is probably WAY better given your usage for such things. As for me the keyboard is the main deal breaker but the installed OS leaves MUCH to be desired.

I know quite a few that are using linux for various things

It is the best thing going, although I'd have to admit most of the distributions have wandered far afield from what attracted me to linux way back when and are reminisant of - dare I say it? - Windows. :::shudder:::

You've kept yourself busy there...

Yes I have but have mellowed out in my old age and have gotten (too?) comfortable enjoying the fruits of past labours.

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Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 02-Jun-2019 20:14 <=-

I've never done anything with a Chromebook...

Just as well methinks. Offhand I am guessing the laptop you already
use is probably WAY better given your usage for such things.

Probably...

As for me the keyboard is the main deal breaker but the installed OS leaves MUCH to be desired.

But of course....

I know quite a few that are using linux for various things

It is the best thing going, although I'd have to admit most of the distributions have wandered far afield from what attracted me to linux
way back when and are reminisant of - dare I say it? - Windows. :::shudder:::

Well, they have gotten to the gui point... Nothing really wrong with
gui, as long as one can still use just the keyboard.... ;)

You've kept yourself busy there...

Yes I have but have mellowed out in my old age and have gotten (too?) comfortable enjoying the fruits of past labours.

Nothing wrong with that, either.... you keep finding new things to play
with anyway.... ;)

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Hey Nancy!

Nothing really wrong with gui, as long as one can still use just
the keyboard

Near as I can tell only the touchpad seems to do anything, and anything isn't of much significance, or at least nothing of interest to me. I really don't care much for surfing and/or streaming and that appeared to be most of what it's capabilities are geared towards via the default chrome browser thingy.

you keep finding new things to play with anyway...

Actually more along the lines of making newfangled do same old, same old. Multi-console bash shells are where it's at and in this one on the raspberry pi looks strangely like vi doing fidonet.

Hmmm ... I wonder how that happened. ;-)

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Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 07-Jun-2019 04:13 <=-

Nothing really wrong with gui, as long as one can still use just
the keyboard

Near as I can tell only the touchpad seems to do anything, and
anything isn't of much significance, or at least nothing of interest
to me. I really don't care much for surfing and/or streaming and that appeared to be most of what it's capabilities are geared towards via
the default chrome browser thingy.

Oh, well... wouldn't be particularly of any use or interest to me
either, then.... ;)

you keep finding new things to play with anyway...

Actually more along the lines of making newfangled do same old, same
old. Multi-console bash shells are where it's at and in this one on
the raspberry pi looks strangely like vi doing fidonet.
Hmmm ... I wonder how that happened. ;-)

Couldn't begin to guess.... <G> Keeps you occupied, anyway.... ;)

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Hey Nancy!

wouldn't be particularly of any use or interest to me either

I'd be surprised if it was. I didn't notice a text editor and if there is then I doubt it would be a micro-emacs clone. I think I read somewhere that there is a vim port for chromebooks but don't quote me on that ... not that it really matters one way or the other.

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Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 11-Jun-2019 04:22 <=-

wouldn't be particularly of any use or interest to me either

I'd be surprised if it was. I didn't notice a text editor and if
there is then I doubt it would be a micro-emacs clone. I think I read somewhere that there is a vim port for chromebooks but don't quote me
on that ... not that it really matters one way or the other.

Were we to be given one, possibly there would be ways to make it more useful.... like installing emacs and other useful things... :) Not
likely that we'd be searching it out otherwise.... ;)

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Hey Nancy!

like installing emacs and other useful things...

Good luck with that. I've heard rumours about emacs on chromebooks but have never seen evidence, up to including finding a link to a valid site where it could be obtained. Just rumours, not even a screenshot. I have serious doubts.

Not likely that we'd be searching it out otherwise

Understood. Like I say above, nothing but rumours with no to extremely little evidence to back it up. I am guessing it would take a mess of hacking to get anything decent running ... not unlike what I did on this raspi thingy I am calling aarch64-raspi3b+-linux-gnu. No emacs though but I think I could probably pull it off if it meant anything. For sure there is vi. :-)

Maube if/when I get bored I'll check it out and see if I can get a 64 bit ARM version of emacs working on this little guy.

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Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 14-Jun-2019 02:42 <=-

So..... I left town on the 14th of June, put 1400 miles on the car, got
home on the 21st.... and have been playing catch up ever since....
finally getting to these messages.... :)

like installing emacs and other useful things...

Good luck with that. I've heard rumours about emacs on chromebooks
but have never seen evidence, up to including finding a link to a
valid site where it could be obtained. Just rumours, not even a screenshot. I have serious doubts.

Don't need screenshots... just need to try installing and see what
happens... <G>

Not likely that we'd be searching it out otherwise

Understood. Like I say above, nothing but rumours with no to
extremely little evidence to back it up. I am guessing it would take
a mess of hacking to get anything decent running ... not unlike what I
did on this raspi thingy I am calling aarch64-raspi3b+-linux-gnu. No emacs though but I think I could probably pull it off if it meant anything. For sure there is vi. :-)
Maube if/when I get bored I'll check it out and see if I can get a 64
bit ARM version of emacs working on this little guy.

And I see that apparently you got bored soon after... that, or
curious.... ;)

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Hey Nancy!

I left town on the 14th of June, put 1400 miles on the car, got
home on the 21st....

I stayed put but did manage to accomplish a few things during that time.

Don't need screenshots... just need to try installing and see
what happens.

That sounds like a plan. If I can be of any assistance let me know.

And I see that apparently you got bored soon after... that, or
curious.... ;)

Mostly curious. I had to use the git version as well as edit the Makefile to suit the target machines. So far it runs on aarch64-raspi3b+-linux-gnu, which is this machine I am typing to you on, as well as x86_64-pc-linux-gnu. Both of these targets have the -lncurses dependency rather than the -lcurses dependency so the fix was easy;

sed -i 's/-lcurses/-lncurses/' Makefile

However symlinking libcurses.so to libncurses.so would probably work as well ... unless of course libcurses is already onboard and then the Makefile should work without modification.

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On 2019 Jun 29 16:01:24, you wrote to Nancy Backus:

However symlinking libcurses.so to libncurses.so would probably work
as well ... unless of course libcurses is already onboard and then the Makefile should work without modification.

i never have understood the difference between curses and ncurses other than one starts with the letter 'n'...

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Hallo mark!

i never have understood the difference between curses and ncurses
other than one starts with the letter 'n'...

The 'n' in ncurses stands for new, where new was back in 1993. Obviously new in this case is relative to BSD curses from back in 1980-1982-ish depending on which curses is considered as the base curses that all other curses evolved from, including ncurses.

Probably a more traditional micro emacs would link to -ltermcap instead of -lcurses except that as we speak I don't have termcap installed. How about you?

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On 2019 Jun 29 19:25:06, you wrote to me:

i never have understood the difference between curses and ncurses
other than one starts with the letter 'n'...

The 'n' in ncurses stands for new, where new was back in 1993. Obviously new in this case is relative to BSD curses from back in 1980-1982-ish depending on which curses is considered as the base curses that all other curses evolved from, including ncurses.

ahhh... ok... i think i get it now...

Probably a more traditional micro emacs would link to -ltermcap
instead of -lcurses except that as we speak I don't have termcap installed. How about you?

i think i have it installed on one or two VMs but they're running BBSes...

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Hey mark!

Probably a more traditional micro emacs would link to -ltermcap
instead of -lcurses except that as we speak I don't have termcap
installed. How about you?

i think i have it installed on one or two VMs but they're running

BBSes...

For some strange reason that makes sense. However it turns out the gnu version of termcap I just installed is a old update (2003) and statically linked into uEmacs/Pk version 4.0.15 making the final result 4k larger than the shared ncurses build. Given the fact that I require ncurses for a multitude of runtimes I am inclined to lean towards the shared library version and not bother with termcap.

It is nice to have choices. :-)

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Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 29-Jun-2019 16:01 <=-

I left town on the 14th of June, put 1400 miles on the car, got
home on the 21st....

I stayed put but did manage to accomplish a few things during that
time.

That was good... at this point, I'm out of towm again, again without any access, so these will go out when I get back home again... :)

Don't need screenshots... just need to try installing and see
what happens.

That sounds like a plan. If I can be of any assistance let me know.

And actually, I wouldn't be doing any of it, just the Wizard... ;)

And I see that apparently you got bored soon after... that, or
curious.... ;)

Mostly curious. I had to use the git version as well as edit the
Makefile to suit the target machines. So far it runs on aarch64-raspi3b+-linux-gnu, which is this machine I am typing to you
on, as well as x86_64-pc-linux-gnu. Both of these targets have the -lncurses dependency rather than the -lcurses dependency so the fix
was easy;
sed -i 's/-lcurses/-lncurses/' Makefile
However symlinking libcurses.so to libncurses.so would probably work
as well ... unless of course libcurses is already onboard and then the Makefile should work without modification.

Whatever you say... ;) You're obviously speaking Wizard.... <G> But I
do understand that you have Emacs working on two different machines,
now... :)

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Hey Nancy!

But I do understand that you have Emacs working on two different
machines, now... :)

The test file created and displayed utf8 characters. Does your Emacs do that?
;-)

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Quoting Maurice Kinal to Nancy Backus on 15-Jul-2019 14:53 <=-

But I do understand that you have Emacs working on two different
machines, now... :)

The test file created and displayed utf8 characters. Does your Emacs
do that? ;-)

Not that I know of... but that might just as likely be the overall
system I have... :)

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Hallo Nancy!

but that might just as likely be the overall system I have... :)

CP437 if I recall correctly. Seems to me we tested that at one time.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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