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    From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Fri Nov 11 08:36:27 2022

    Nick,

    What is the maximum in-transit message size DB can handle?

    'Tommi

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Nov 11 07:27:57 2022
    On 11 Nov 22 08:36:27, Tommi Koivula said the following to Nick Andre:

    What is the maximum in-transit message size DB can handle?

    If I'm looking at the code correctly its 64k.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Fri Nov 11 17:51:08 2022

    11 Nov 22 07:27, Nick Andre wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    What is the maximum in-transit message size DB can handle?

    If I'm looking at the code correctly its 64k.

    Ok, thanks.

    There are bigger than that originated from 1:317/3 in a few file announcing echos. Over 200k actually. Some of them come thru just ok, but some get broken somewhere. All those broken ones have 229/426 in @PATH. So..

    I netmailed the sysop of 1:317/3 of his file announcing messages but no answer, yet.

    'Tommi

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    * Origin: rbb.fidonet.fi (2:221/360)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Nov 11 12:17:00 2022
    On 11 Nov 22 17:51:08, Tommi Koivula said the following to Nick Andre:

    If I'm looking at the code correctly its 64k.

    Ok, thanks.

    There are bigger than that originated from 1:317/3 in a few file announcing echos. Over 200k actually. Some of them come thru just ok, but some get bro somewhere. All those broken ones have 229/426 in @PATH. So..

    I don't bother reading messages larger than 64k... or even 6.4k.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Sat Nov 12 07:28:52 2022

    11 Nov 22 12:17, Nick Andre wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    On 11 Nov 22 17:51:08, Tommi Koivula said the following to Nick Andre:

    If I'm looking at the code correctly its 64k.

    Ok, thanks.

    There are bigger than that originated from 1:317/3 in a few file announcing
    echos. Over 200k actually. Some of them come thru just ok, but some get bro
    somewhere. All those broken ones have 229/426 in @PATH. So..

    I don't bother reading messages larger than 64k... or even 6.4k.

    What does DB do when it receives a message over 200k? It seems that it breaks it and produces crap.

    'Tommi

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    * Origin: rbb.fidonet.fi (2:221/360)
  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Tommi Koivula on Wed Nov 16 08:00:40 2022
    Hi, Tommi!

    12 ноя 22 07:28, Tommi Koivula -> Nick Andre:

    If I'm looking at the code correctly its 64k.

    Ok, thanks.

    [...skipped...]

    What does DB do when it receives a message over 200k? It seems that it breaks it and produces crap.

    So it turns out that it violates FCS-0001? Why would anyone use such software now?

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

    --- Самое страшное не то, что мы теперь взрослые. А то, что взрослые теперь мы
    * Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)
  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Stas Mishchenkov on Thu Nov 17 09:18:39 2022

    16 Nov 22 08:00, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    If I'm looking at the code correctly its 64k.

    Ok, thanks.

    [...skipped...]

    What does DB do when it receives a message over 200k? It seems that it
    breaks it and produces crap.

    So it turns out that it violates FCS-0001?

    I believe so...

    Why would anyone use such software now?

    Why indeed...

    'Tommi

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Tommi Koivula on Thu Nov 17 14:11:27 2022
    Tommi,

    Why would anyone use such software now?

    Why indeed...

    Extremely user-friendly ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - 20220519
    * Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)
  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Sat Nov 19 19:13:41 2022
    On 17.11.2022 15:11, Ward Dossche wrote:

    Why would anyone use such software now?

    Why indeed...

    Extremely user-friendly ...

    To be used as a point maybe. But as an echomail hub not.

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:5.0) Aura/20220608 Interlink/52.9.8194
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Nov 19 18:01:13 2022
    On 19 Nov 22 19:13:41, Tommi Koivula said the following to Ward Dossche:

    To be used as a point maybe. But as an echomail hub not.

    Before you reply with further nonsense, I have coded many fixes and improvements to this software over the years, answered MANY messages
    here and Netmails from users worldwide... often with various language barriers, varying degrees of attitudes and emotions.

    Your ZC2 has enjoyed an international-hotline to phone me personally to write code. I politely challenge you to match my level of "customer support".

    The reality is that nobody reads messages over 64k, I don't read messages over 6.4k for that matter - and Fidonet was never designed for it. 64k was never an issue "then" in 1988 and certainly not an issue "now".

    If I were to be approached in a less arrogant manner I would have gladly
    looked at the code for you to see what could be done to address this. But as long as I read these type of comments and that of Stas with a bigger
    arrogance of "if its not Linux its crap", I will wholeheartedly laugh and do nothing but ignore the both of you... as my system continues to feed mail to close to a hundred other systems.

    End of topic. You both can please excuse yourselves from this echo if you have nothing positive to contribute.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Nov 20 11:19:37 2022
    Tommi,

    Extremely user-friendly ...

    To be used as a point maybe. But as an echomail hub not.

    As they taught me in Montana "There's a similarity between an opinion and an arsehole ... everybody has one" ...

    What I mean to say is that I've used D'Bridge since 1988 or 1989 on a Tandy-1000SX with a 20MB hardcard in the very beginning. It served its purpose, also as a ZC and IC.

    For years I handled a ton of echomail with DB during the period of Joaquim Homrighausen and his FD-groupies. DB stood out and performed well. I stopped handling large volumes of echomail as personally I feel a ZC should stay away from distribution, also of files.

    There was the period when it was abondoned by its original developer Chris Irwin after he came up with a Y2K-fix which was worse than what he fixed and I developed my own work-arounds. I developed my own procedures to make it IP-capable which I use to this day. Around that time there was just one person using it, me ...

    Then Nick popped-up after some years. He got the code, started to clean-up trash which Chris Irwin had left behind, I bombarded him for years with bugs and stuff to add and it became a very fruitful operation.

    One can say a lot of things about DB, but also about other successful packages. As for DB... 34 years I've used it now and I'm a satisfied customer. It served my purpose as a ZC for a long time.

    As for 64KB messages ... that's about 16 A4-pages full of text. Nobody writes such long netmails, nobody would bother to read them either.

    Of course, this is my opinion and, look at the opening paragraph at the beginning, I also have an arse.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - 20220519
    * Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Nick Andre on Sun Nov 20 13:54:10 2022
    The reality is that nobody reads messages over 64k, I don't read messages over 6.4k for that matter - and Fidonet was never designed for it. 64k was never an issue "then" in 1988 and certainly not an issue "now".

    This message size issue is an old one. It shows itself from time to time.

    If you don't care to toss messages larger than a certain size perhaps you could just drop them from circulation. As it is now D'Bridge is creating two mangled messages every time it tosses a large message. The From:, To:, Date: and MSGID is missing after passing through D'Bridge.

    Best if you could just toss those messsages as usual but discarding them would be better than what is happening now.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sun Nov 20 19:07:55 2022
    On 20 Nov 22 13:54:10, Alan Ianson said the following to Nick Andre:

    The reality is that nobody reads messages over 64k, I don't read messages over 6.4k for that matter - and Fidonet was never designed for it. 64k was never an issue "then" in 1988 and certainly not an issue "now".

    This message size issue is an old one. It shows itself from time to time.

    I know it does. Part of me does not understand why the onus falls on my shoulders to handle this instead of the author of the message-posting software not splitting large messages into managable chunks.

    Let me look at the code when I have some time... translation, boredom.

    It may only be possible to skip messages beyond 64k; splitting them will be a challenge with very little heap-memory to work with and already pushing limits of what can be done with 640k.

    I'm reluctant to start changing code largely untouched for decades.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Mon Nov 21 02:08:58 2022
    I'm reluctant to start changing code largely untouched for decades.

    You shouldn't.

    Way way back in time there was a thing that whenever a bug in DB was fixed, a newone was created ... or popped up.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - 20220519
    * Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)