Hello Everybody,

I have a serious question that needs to be answered.

Is the Moon real?

"If anyone reading this is near to the "poles" like south of the
Falklands, Spitzenbergen etc I implore you to spend the money and send
up a balloon with a camera, NOT fisheyed, and see that there is no end
to what's beyond the ice barrier. This would be best at night so we can
see that the Moon doesn't in fact exist as anything other than a
reflection of the dark sky gases of the suns light. Like in so many
other things, we are being lied to and exploited by evil men and
women."
~ Worlds Beyond the Poles, by Gionnini

--Lee

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Hello Lee!

03 Feb 20 21:37, Lee Lofaso wrote to All:

I have a serious question that needs to be answered.

We have yet to see this happening for the first time.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Gerrit,

I have a serious question that needs to be answered.

We have yet to see this happening for the first time.

There is always the possibility, however remote ...

--Lee

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Hello Everybody,

I have a question -

What do the 58K American dead in the Vietnam War
have in common with the 58K dead from COVID-19?

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Donald Trump refused to fight for either one of them.



58,000 plus dead in 2 months, versus 10 years plus years ...

--Lee

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Lee Lofaso wrote to All <=-

Hello Everybody,

I have a question -

What do the 58K American dead in the Vietnam War
have in common with the 58K dead from COVID-19?

And the hate continues on. Does it hurt to be so deceived and lied to? You'll believe anything.

I should create a fresh account on a new bbs and act like a liberal and fill you with garbage that you'd have no problem believe as long as it's anti-trump.

I bet it would be so easy. Problem is, I couldn't sustain such deceit for long.


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And the hate continues on.

What hate?

https://youtu.be/b-cZG81-MPQ

What If Fox News Covered Trump the Way It Covered Obama?





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29 Apr 20 18:34, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Lee Lofaso wrote to All <=-

Hello Everybody,

I have a question -

What do the 58K American dead in the Vietnam War
have in common with the 58K dead from COVID-19?

And the hate continues on. Does it hurt to be so deceived and lied to? You'll believe anything.

I should create a fresh account on a new bbs and act like a liberal
and fill you with garbage that you'd have no problem believe as long
as it's anti-trump.

I bet it would be so easy. Problem is, I couldn't sustain such deceit
for long.

Has the Zone Clown #1 created it's own imaginary fake user / troll?

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM) or a node number.

* Origin: kakistocracy (2:280/464.47)

On 30 Apr 20 09:24:09, Oli said the following to Daniel:

Has the Zone Clown #1 created it's own imaginary fake user / troll?

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM) or a

nod

number.

At least "Daniel" doesn't act like a douchebag about silly Fido crap.

Nick

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At least "Daniel" doesn't act like a douchebag about silly Fido crap.

"Oho!" said the pot to the kettle;
"You are dirty and ugly and black!
Sure no one would think you were metal,
Except when you're given a crack."

"Not so! not so!" kettle said to the pot;
"'Tis your own dirty image you see;
For I am so clean - without blemish or blot -
That your blackness is mirrored in me."

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On 30 Apr 20 12:07:22, Oli said the following to Nick Andre:

At least "Daniel" doesn't act like a douchebag about silly Fido crap.

"Oho!" said the pot to the kettle;
"You are dirty and ugly and black!
Sure no one would think you were metal,
Except when you're given a crack."

Thank you. Whatever you're smoking, I'll pass.

Nick

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Hello Daniel,

I have a question -

What do the 58K American dead in the Vietnam War
have in common with the 58K dead from COVID-19?

And the hate continues on. Does it hurt to be so deceived and lied to? You'll believe anything.

The stats speak for themselves.

I should create a fresh account on a new bbs and act like a liberal and

fill

you with garbage that you'd have no problem believe as long as it's anti-trump.

Would you still vote for the orange menace in November?
Oh, well. So much for your being a faux pas liberal ...

I bet it would be so easy.

Sure it is. Just pull the lever for anybody but the orange menace.

Problem is, I couldn't sustain such deceit for long.

It only takes a second, if that.

--Lee

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Oli wrote to Daniel <=-

29 Apr 20 18:34, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Lee Lofaso wrote to All <=-

Hello Everybody,

I have a question -

What do the 58K American dead in the Vietnam War
have in common with the 58K dead from COVID-19?

And the hate continues on. Does it hurt to be so deceived and lied to? You'll believe anything.

I should create a fresh account on a new bbs and act like a liberal
and fill you with garbage that you'd have no problem believe as long
as it's anti-trump.

I bet it would be so easy. Problem is, I couldn't sustain such deceit
for long.

Has the Zone Clown #1 created it's own imaginary fake user / troll?

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM) or
a node number.

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's a new one for
me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

Great first impression brother.

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Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM) or a node number.

And his location, Digital Distortion and SysOp name Eric Oulashin doesn't sound real.

Can please the real Eric Oulashin of Hillsboro, OR raise your hand.



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Hello Bj�rn,

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name
(TM) or a node number.

And his location, Digital Distortion and SysOp name Eric Oulashin doesn't sound real.

Daniel I think is a user of Digital Distortion BBS. Yes, there are still a few BBS users among us.

Can please the real Eric Oulashin of Hillsboro, OR raise your hand.

I think that is the sysop's real name. I have used software he wrote, an editor for BBS use among other things and that is the name in the docs. When he uses a handle it is not Daniel.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 30 Apr 20 09:41:00, Daniel said the following to Oli:

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's a new one me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

Oli doesn't believe you're real and that I as ZC have conjured you out of thin air. I also waved a magic wand and invented Digital Distortion BBS.

Nick

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Daniel wrote to Oli <=-

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM) or
a node number.

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's
a new one for me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

FYI - "Oli" is another one of the trolls who frequent this echo,
and is best ignored.

Also, you're wasting your breath when you reply to the "Lee"
troll. He's either brain-damaged or just a sock puppet of Bjorn.



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Hello Eric,

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM) O1>or

a node number.

Are you pulling my leg?

Only when I mistake it for a fire hydrant.

Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's a new one for me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

I dunno. I never humped a "zone clown" before.

Great first impression brother.

No one will ever accuse Lee Lofaso of taking himself seriously.

--Lee

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Hello Bj�rn,

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM) or a
node number.

And his location, Digital Distortion and SysOp name Eric Oulashin doesn't sound real.

Can please the real Eric Oulashin of Hillsboro, OR raise your hand.

Beavers have tails.

--Lee

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Dan Clough wrote to Daniel <=-

Daniel wrote to Oli <=-

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM) or
a node number.

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's
a new one for me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

FYI - "Oli" is another one of the trolls who frequent this echo,
and is best ignored.

Also, you're wasting your breath when you reply to the "Lee"
troll. He's either brain-damaged or just a sock puppet of Bjorn.

Meh, I know it is a waste but it's fun.

It's impossible to reason with socialists because they're firmly ensconced within a religious camp similar to flat earthers, moon landing skeptics,
and the KKK. The childlike naivety and intolerance never ceases
to amaze.

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Nick Andre wrote to Daniel <=-

On 30 Apr 20 09:41:00, Daniel said the following to Oli:

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's a new

one

me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

Oli doesn't believe you're real and that I as ZC have conjured you out
of thin air. I also waved a magic wand and invented Digital Distortion BBS.

It doesn't shock me. One of the fallicies of a bad argument is the attempt
to discredit an opponent instead of defending a position with fact and rhetoric. This is why I ignore the thread once they threaten me or make personal attacks. I know I've won. Such results only require a single
response to obtain sometimes.

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Daniel <=-

Hello Daniel,

I have a question -

What do the 58K American dead in the Vietnam War
have in common with the 58K dead from COVID-19?

And the hate continues on. Does it hurt to be so deceived and lied to? You'll believe anything.

The stats speak for themselves.

You've been deceived.

Seems like you're making light of the situation. Do you celebrate these
deaths? Most of us view it as a tragedy and you see it as a hopeful way
to win in politics.

Vietnam is a history lesson on war which took each and every death in absolute vain by the way it was concluded. Not only were the soldiers' deaths held
in vain but those who survived were spit on by people like you. It was disgusting.

And you compare Vietnam to a pandemic. How miserably twisted.

I should create a fresh account on a new bbs and act like a liberal and

fill

you with garbage that you'd have no problem believe as long as it's anti-trump.

Would you still vote for the orange menace in November?
Oh, well. So much for your being a faux pas liberal ...

I haven't voted for President since 2008 because it was clearly obvious
that the system in California is corrupt. Votes don't count when ballots
are harvested in Los Angeles. And even with two million of the 'voters' removed, it won't change that fact. I'll bet Los Angeles will count more
votes than they have voters in November.

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One of the fallicies of a bad argument is the attempt
to discredit an opponent instead of defending a position with fact and rhetoric.

And then it starts to hit your community.

I really *do* feel sorry for you and your ilk. You *will* be wiped out, just in case you don't understand it.



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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to Eric Oulashin on Fri May 01 2020 12:29 am

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM)

or a node number.

Are you pulling my leg?

Only when I mistake it for a fire hydrant.

I think you're replying to the wrong person. I didn't write the message you quoted, and I rarely read the FIDONEWS echo..

Eric
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Bjorn Felten wrote to Daniel <=-

One of the fallicies of a bad argument is the attempt
to discredit an opponent instead of defending a position with fact and rhetoric.

And then it starts to hit your community.

I really *do* feel sorry for you and your ilk. You *will* be wiped
out, just in case you don't understand it.

You can't feel sorry for people you hate. So, here's the news: My 'ilk' as
you call it will never be demolished by our form of government, namely the
US Government. We've only seen socialist states do that to their kind.

Socialists never think why that is. But, it's sad either way. We know
better than to live a brainwashed life.

Meanwhile, we will continue to operate our republic as our constitution
grants us. We will also continue to have free speech regardless of what
the left wants. Your 'ilk,' or the tyranny of the left, is dead.


... Daniel Traechin
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Re: Question
By: Eric Oulashin to Lee Lofaso on Thu Apr 30 2020 18:55:00

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM)
or a node number.

Are you pulling my leg?

Only when I mistake it for a fire hydrant.

I think you're replying to the wrong person. I didn't write the message you quoted, and I rarely read the FIDONEWS echo..

they were trying to draw you out to find out if you are a real person or not because someone took offense(?) with something (political) that one of your users (Daniel) wrote...

so it started with just his use of only his first name instead of his first and last real name in his postings followed by a note that he wasn't listed as the sysop of the BBS he was using...

that's another problem that many in here have glombed onto, too... they think that every poster is the sysop of the board they post from... this because BBS users are a rare commodity these days and most of the posters in here are sysops... plus the huge fact that so many in non-US locations haven't had users in like two decades which is/was generally blamed on the cost of local phone calls so they pushed folks more and more to being point systems and thus operators and we come full circle on the "all posters are operators" fallacy...

so anyway, just another fidonet-style spat that someone stirred up... kinda like what we've seen in years past that many of us had thought was finally over with :shrug:


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Hello Eric,

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM) or
a node number.

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's
a new one for me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

FYI - "Oli" is another one of the trolls who frequent this echo,
and is best ignored.

Also, you're wasting your breath when you reply to the "Lee"
troll. He's either brain-damaged or just a sock puppet of Bjorn.

Meh, I know it is a waste but it's fun.

It's impossible to reason with socialists because they're firmly ensconced within a religious camp similar to flat earthers, moon landing skeptics, and the KKK.

"We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the
obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." ~George Orwell

The childlike naivety and intolerance never ceases to amaze.

"Politicians can't manage. All they can do is talk." ~Donald Trump

--Lee

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Hello Eric,

I have a question -

What do the 58K American dead in the Vietnam War
have in common with the 58K dead from COVID-19?

And the hate continues on. Does it hurt to be so deceived EO>and lied to?

You'll believe anything.

The stats speak for themselves.

You've been deceived.

Donald Trump. 5 deferments. Bone Spur Cadet. A title well-deserved.

Seems like you're making light of the situation.

58K+ died, in both cases.
Donald Trump refused to fight for either one of them.

Do you celebrate these deaths?

The current White House gift shop does, selling commemmorative
coins of the dead at $125 a pop.

Most of us view it as a tragedy and you see it as a hopeful way
to win in politics.

President Trump is blaming everybody except himself as being
the cause. But everybody knows who or what is the real cause.

Vietnam is a history lesson on war which took each and every death in absolute vain by the way it was concluded. Not only were the soldiers' deaths held in vain but those who survived were spit on by people like

you.

It was disgusting.

John Kerry was a war hero who actually fought in Vietnam.
Donald Trump is a chickenhawk who got 5 deferments as his
means of avoiding service. At least George W. Bush did
something, by defending the skies of Texas from the Viet
Cong by joining the Texas Air National Guard - with a
little help from his friends in high places.

And you compare Vietnam to a pandemic. How miserably twisted.

Donald Trump refuseed to fight for eiher one of them.
That is the epitome of twisted.

I should create a fresh account on a new bbs and act like a EO>liberal

and fill you with garbage that you'd have no problem EO>believe as long as it's

anti-trump.

Would you still vote for the orange menace in November?
Oh, well. So much for your being a faux pas liberal ...

I haven't voted for President since 2008 because it was clearly obvious

that

the system in California is corrupt.

Then why concern yourself with politics? Since it is obvious
you have no interest in taking part in our system of participatory
democracy, why should you care? Far easier to point your fingers
and criticize rather than be part of the problem/solution. Talk
about the epitome of laziness. And ineptitude. At least Donald
Trump is making an effort to do something, however badly.

Votes don't count when ballots are harvested in Los Angeles. And even with two million of the 'voters' removed, it won't change that fact. I'll bet Los Angeles will count more votes than they have voters in November.

Political apathy is a sign of stability. We should all move
to California. And leave everything else to Trump.

--Lee

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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to Eric Oulashin on Fri May 01 2020 12:28:39


Daniel> The childlike naivety and intolerance never ceases to amaze.

"Politicians can't manage. All they can do is talk." ~Donald Trump

why are you writing to eric and attempting to associate daniel's words to eric?? eric has nothing to do with the conversation between you and daniel (traechin)... daniel is simply a user on eric's BBS... they are two separate and unique individuals... stop it.


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Hello Eric,

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name (TM)

or a node number.

Are you pulling my leg?

Only when I mistake it for a fire hydrant.

I think you're replying to the wrong person.

I have met people with multiple personality disorder.
And trust me when I tell you, they never think they
are anybody else other than who they are. Until
they are somebody else. Without ever realizing who
they were. So how do you know you really are who
you think you are?

I didn't write the message you quoted, and I rarely read the FIDONEWS

echo..

See what I mean? You have absolutely no idea of what
your personality as "Daniel" has done or is doing ...

--Lee

--
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Hello mark,

Daniel>> The childlike naivety and intolerance never ceases to amaze.

"Politicians can't manage. All they can do is talk." ~Donald Trump

why are you writing to eric and attempting to associate daniel's words to eric?? eric has nothing to do with the conversation between you and

daniel

(traechin)... daniel is simply a user on eric's BBS... they are two separate and unique individuals... stop it.

The entity known as "Daniel" did not properly introduce himself
as being anybody other than the sysop associated with the node
number at the bottom of the message. At no time did the entity
known as "Daniel" say or suggest he was anybody other than the
sysop himself.

If the entity known as "Daniel" wants to be taken seriously,
he/she should at least be truthful in telling us all who he/she
really is.

Unless he/she is pretending to be another Stephen King, in which
case we should all have reason to be scared, truly scared ...

--Lee

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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to mark lewis on Fri May 01 2020 17:39:42

why are you writing to eric and attempting to associate daniel's
words to eric?? eric has nothing to do with the conversation
between you and daniel (traechin)... daniel is simply a user on
eric's BBS... they are two separate and unique individuals...
stop it.

The entity known as "Daniel" did not properly introduce himself
as being anybody other than the sysop associated with the node

there is the flaw in your mental processes... daniel certainly didn't introduce himself as the sysop of that system... in fact, he never introduced himself as the operator of any nodelisted system...


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Re: Question
By: mark lewis to Eric Oulashin on Fri May 01 2020 05:32 am

in here are sysops... plus the huge fact that so many in non-US locations haven't had users in like two decades which is/was generally blamed on

the

cost of local phone calls so they pushed folks more and more to being point systems and thus operators and we come full circle on the "all posters are operators" fallacy...

Many BBSes these days are available on the internet, so you don't have to make a phone call anymore.. ??

Eric
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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to Eric Oulashin on Fri May 01 2020 12:28 pm

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's
a new one for me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

It looks like there's something quoted here with my initials that I didn't even write. ??

It's impossible to reason with socialists because they're firmly
ensconced within a religious camp similar to flat earthers, moon
landing skeptics, and the KKK.

"We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the
obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." ~George Orwell

And I didn't write what was quoted there that you're replying to.

Eric
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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to Eric Oulashin on Fri May 01 2020 12:28 pm

Votes don't count when ballots are harvested in Los Angeles. And even
with two million of the 'voters' removed, it won't change that fact.
I'll bet Los Angeles will count more votes than they have voters in
November.

Political apathy is a sign of stability. We should all move
to California. And leave everything else to Trump.

I didn't write what you're replying to, so I don't know why this reply is directed at me.

Eric
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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to Eric Oulashin on Fri May 01 2020 05:21 pm

I think you're replying to the wrong person.

I have met people with multiple personality disorder.
And trust me when I tell you, they never think they
are anybody else other than who they are. Until
they are somebody else. Without ever realizing who
they were. So how do you know you really are who
you think you are?

Uh, I know who I am. You don't know me, so would you really know any better?

I didn't write the message you quoted, and I rarely read the
FIDONEWS

echo..

See what I mean? You have absolutely no idea of what
your personality as "Daniel" has done or is doing ...

There's a user on my BBS named Daniel..

Why would one assume he and I are the same person? *scratches head*

Eric
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Re: Question
By: Eric Oulashin to mark lewis on Fri May 01 2020 12:04:41

in here are sysops... plus the huge fact that so many in non-US
locations haven't had users in like two decades which is/was
generally blamed on the cost of local phone calls so they pushed
folks more and more to being point systems and thus operators and
we come full circle on the "all posters are operators" fallacy...

Many BBSes these days are available on the internet, so you don't
have to make a phone call anymore.. ??

correct... this is one reason why there is a bit of a resurgence of BBSes in non-US locations... the main thing i was pointing to is that when there were some, the local call charges did not really allow users to call a BBS and spend (eg) 60 minutes a day online reading messages, playing door games, and transferring files... it was just too expensive so users in fidonet were pushed to being point systems and pulling echomail from the BOSS node which was much more affordable... granted, it didn't allow for door game playing but messages were the big thing... not sure about how they handled uploading files to a BBS... FREQing files is/was just natural as a point if the BOSS node allowed it...


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Re: Question
By: Eric Oulashin to Lee Lofaso on Fri May 01 2020 12:05:38

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's
a new one for me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

It looks like there's something quoted here with my initials that I

didn't even write. ??

there is exactly that... LL is being his troll self again and specifically attempting to stir the shit...


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Hello Eric,

in here are sysops... plus the huge fact that so many in non-US
locations haven't had users in like two decades which is/was
generally blamed on the cost of local phone calls so they pushed
folks more and more to being point systems and thus operators and
we come full circle on the "all posters are operators" fallacy...

Many BBSes these days are available on the internet, so you don't have
to make a phone call anymore.. ??

I haven't looked in a while but a good place to look is the Telnet BBS Guide.

http://www.telnetbbsguide.com

It lists close to 1000 BBSs. Most of them are available by telnet and a very few are available by dial-up.

Of course that list only contains BBSs where the operator has taken steps to get listed there. There are likely many, many others that haven't listed their BBS there, not yet anyway.

BBSing is still very much a thing today.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Question
By: Bjorn Felten to Oli on Thu Apr 30 2020 08:40 pm

And his location, Digital Distortion and SysOp name Eric Oulashin doesn't sound real.

Yes, that's my real name.. What about it does not sound real?

Eric
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Re: Question
By: Bjorn Felten to Oli on Thu Apr 30 2020 08:40 pm

And his location, Digital Distortion and SysOp name Eric Oulashin doesn't sound real.

Can please the real Eric Oulashin of Hillsboro, OR raise your hand.

Yes, Eric Oulashin is my real name. What about it does not sound real?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericoulashin/

Eric
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Hello mark,

why are you writing to eric and attempting to associate daniel's
words to eric?? eric has nothing to do with the conversation
between you and daniel (traechin)... daniel is simply a user on
eric's BBS... they are two separate and unique individuals...
stop it.

The entity known as "Daniel" did not properly introduce himself
as being anybody other than the sysop associated with the node

there is the flaw in your mental processes...

Flaw? What flaw?

daniel certainly didn't introduce himself as the sysop of that system...

Really? Where is his signature in any of his messages addressed
to me? Can't find any? Didn't think so.

in fact, he never introduced himself as the operator of any nodelisted system...

Where is his signature? Oh, that's right. He never bothered
to include one. Only after the real Eric Oulashin chimed in did
he bother to include a signature with (presumably) his real name
of Daniel Traechin in a message addressed to Bj�rn Felten.

But you knew that already.

Thanks for playing.

--Lee

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Donald Trump is a chickenhawk who got 5 deferments as his
means of avoiding service.

No wonder he couldn't even spell Marine Corps correctly. I'm sure he has some Marine Core tucked away somewhere...

http://tinyurl.com/y8bntgre





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Re: Question
By: Alan Ianson to Eric Oulashin on Fri May 01 2020 01:41 pm

Many BBSes these days are available on the internet, so you don't
have to make a phone call anymore.. ??

I haven't looked in a while but a good place to look is the Telnet BBS Guide.

http://www.telnetbbsguide.com

Yep, I have my BBS listed there.

Eric
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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to mark lewis on Sat May 02 2020 00:14:19

The entity known as "Daniel" did not properly introduce himself
as being anybody other than the sysop associated with the node

there is the flaw in your mental processes...

Flaw? What flaw?

the flaw of you thinking everyone here is an operator...

daniel certainly didn't introduce himself as the sysop of that system...

Really? Where is his signature in any of his messages addressed
to me?

signatures are not required and they certainly perform *no* introductory task of any kind... you've been around long enough to know this...


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Hello Eric,

And his location, Digital Distortion and SysOp name Eric Oulashin
doesn't sound real.

Yes, that's my real name.. What about it does not sound real?

The part that claims to be "Daniel"?

In all fairness to Daniel, he did use a proper signature in a
message to Bj�rn. But only once, and not to others.

Not that it matters.

According to the official rules of this echo, participants
can use whatever name they want. Unless it is already taken.
In which case another made-up name will have to be made up.

Have a great day,

--Lee

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Hello mark,

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's
a new one for me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

It looks like there's something quoted here with my initials that I
didn't even write. ??

there is exactly that... LL is being his troll self again and

specifically

attempting to stir the shit...

Not at all. The entity known as "Daniel" did not properly
introduce himself. The signature at the bottom of the page
is a node number with Eric Oulashid's name on it.

If the entity known as "Daniel" wishes to cause less confusion
for the sysop whose board he is currently using, I suggest he
starts using his own signature.

--Lee

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Hello Eric,

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's
a new one for me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

It looks like there's something quoted here with my initials that I

didn't

even write. ??

So?

It's impossible to reason with socialists because they're firmly
ensconced within a religious camp similar to flat earthers, moon
landing skeptics, and the KKK.

"We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the
obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." ~George Orwell

And I didn't write what was quoted there that you're replying to.

At the bottom of the page is a node number with your name on it.

Translated, it means -

"My name is Eric Oulashid, and I approve this message."

--Lee

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Hello Eric,

Votes don't count when ballots are harvested in Los Angeles. And even
with two million of the 'voters' removed, it won't change that fact.
I'll bet Los Angeles will count more votes than they have voters in
November.

Political apathy is a sign of stability. We should all move
to California. And leave everything else to Trump.

I didn't write what you're replying to, so I don't know why this reply is directed at me.

At the bottom of the page was a node number with your name on it ...

--Lee

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Hello Eric,

I think you're replying to the wrong person.

I have met people with multiple personality disorder.
And trust me when I tell you, they never think they
are anybody else other than who they are. Until
they are somebody else. Without ever realizing who
they were. So how do you know you really are who
you think you are?

Uh, I know who I am.

Only for the moment you think you are.

"Know thyself!" ~Socrates

You understand what that means.
You can never know who you truly are.
Unless you are truly delusional.

You don't know me, so would you really know any better?

I hardly know myself who I might be, much less who I am.

I didn't write the message you quoted, and I rarely read the
FIDONEWS echo..

See what I mean? You have absolutely no idea of what
your personality as "Daniel" has done or is doing ...

There's a user on my BBS named Daniel..

He is a subconscious fragment of your mind.

Why would one assume he and I are the same person? *scratches head*

That is a question beyond reality ...

--Lee

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Hello Lee,

At the bottom of the page is a node number with your name on it.

It never had Eric's name on it. It's simply an origin line with his node number.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to Eric Oulashin on Sat May 02 2020 04:52 am

And his location, Digital Distortion and SysOp name Eric Oulashin
doesn't sound real.

Yes, that's my real name.. What about it does not sound real?

The part that claims to be "Daniel"?

That makes sense, because my name is not Daniel..

Eric
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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to Eric Oulashin on Sat May 02 2020 04:53 am

Uh, I know who I am.

Only for the moment you think you are.

I've added your name to the twit list on my BBS. I don't have the patience for trolls, and now I won't be getting messages from you on my BBS anymore.

Eric
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I've added your name to the twit list on my BBS. I don't have the patience for trolls, and now I won't be getting messages from you on my BBS anymore.

Have you asked your users about this? Are they too in favour of censorship and against freedom of speech?




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Eric Oulashin wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to Eric Oulashin on Sat May 02 2020 04:53 am

Uh, I know who I am.

Only for the moment you think you are.

I've added your name to the twit list on my BBS. I don't have the patience for trolls, and now I won't be getting messages from you on my BBS anymore.

Thanks, my awesome sysop.


... Daniel Traechin
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Hello Eric,

On Friday May 01 2020 21:53, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

I've added your name to the twit list on my BBS. I don't have the patience for trolls, and now I won't be getting messages from you on
my BBS anymore.

I have returned the favour and added you and "Daniel" to my twitt list.

For the record: that only affects what I see, not what others making use of my system see.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello mark,

The entity known as "Daniel" did not properly introduce himself
as being anybody other than the sysop associated with the node

there is the flaw in your mental processes...

Flaw? What flaw?

the flaw of you thinking everyone here is an operator...

I am not an operator ...
I do not pretend to be an operator ...

daniel certainly didn't introduce himself as the sysop of that
system...

Really? Where is his signature in any of his messages addressed
to me?

signatures are not required and they certainly perform *no* introductory task of any kind... you've been around long enough to know this...

Every message has a signature.

--Lee

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Hello Bj�rn,

Donald Trump is a chickenhawk who got 5 deferments as his
means of avoiding service.

No wonder he couldn't even spell Marine Corps correctly. I'm sure he has some Marine Core tucked away somewhere...

http://tinyurl.com/y8bntgre

His better days are behind him. The man is 74 years old,
probably suffers from early onset dementia due to being heavily
sedated with statin drugs, and likely to keel over at any moment.
His taunts are nothing original anymore, having to rehash the
same old lines time after time, calling his critics by the same
names he has before.

He is always blaming others for everything that goes wrong,
without ever looking in a mirror to find the real problem.

Oh, well. I've got better things to do than pretend to be POTUS.

--Lee

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You can't feel sorry for people you hate.

What's with this hate obsession of yours?

Real hate is what your POTUS demonstrates every time he opens his mouth. He really, really hate Obama.

Here's a history lesson for you:

Ever since John Adams there's been a gentlemen's agreement, that a POTUS will never criticise his predecessor. For almost two and a half century this has been kept. Until #45 -- but his hatred exceeds all limits imaginable. Even today, after almost four years, he blames his mistakes on Obama.



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His better days are behind him. The man is 74 years old,
probably suffers from early onset dementia

True. And it's getting worse all the time. This Tuesday he said that USA would have five million tests per day real soon now. On Wednesday he said that he never said that, that it probably was from some Harvard report...



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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to mark lewis on Sat May 02 2020 04:52:36

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's
a new one for me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

It looks like there's something quoted here with my initials that I
didn't even write. ??

there is exactly that... LL is being his troll self again and

specifically attempting to stir the shit...

Not at all.

yes, completely otherwise you would not have changed the initials used in the attributions on the quotes...

The entity known as "Daniel" did not properly
introduce himself.

no one is required to do anything to introduce themselves in here or most any other echo... so you can get the hell off of that damned horse...

The signature at the bottom of the page is a node number with Eric Oulashid's name on it.

that's not a signature and you know it... that's the origin line which indicates which system placed the message into the echo stream... nothing more, nothing less... it has nothing to do with the person that wrote the message and certainly doesn't indicate that the writer is the operator of that system... you know this, too...

If the entity known as "Daniel" wishes to cause less confusion
for the sysop whose board he is currently using, I suggest he
starts using his own signature.

how about the entity known as Lee Lofaso get off his high horse, first... perhaps LL's arguments are indicative that he is actually an alternate for Björn Felten as some have been suggesting for years? it would seem to follow accurately with those arguments... GoodJob!<tm> thanks for playing... and tipping your hand...


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Re: Question
By: Bj�rn Felten to Eric Oulashin on Sat May 02 2020 09:06:06

I've added your name to the twit list on my BBS. I don't have the
patience for trolls, and now I won't be getting messages from you
on my BBS anymore.

Have you asked your users about this?

if they don't like it, they can get lee's messages from another system... it is the operator's system and operators can run their systems as they see fit, right??

Are they too in favour of censorship and against freedom of speech?

your questions have nothing to do with the situation at hand... besides, you/we have no idea at all if that's a global twit list or a personal twit list... if personal, like the one in golded, it won't affect the other users on the board... if global, they can get those messages from elsewhere if they really want to get them... it isn't like is costs $$$ to connect to any system anywhere in the world these days, ya know...


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Re: Question
By: Lee Lofaso to mark lewis on Sat May 02 2020 11:53:37

Really? Where is his signature in any of his messages addressed
to me?

signatures are not required and they certainly perform *no*
introductory task of any kind... you've been around long enough
to know this...

Every message has a signature.

no, they don't... they might have one but there is no requirement anywhere that messages have a signature... in fact, tear lines (and tag lines and control lines) are also not required but many messages have them, as well... your argument is deeply flawed...


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no one is required to do anything to introduce themselves in here or
most any other echo... so you can get the hell off of that damned

horse...

Why so hostile, and what's with the swearing? Is that how you want kids to see you?

Surely you know that this is a real name echo? Do you accept "Daniel" as the "real" name in your real name echoes?

Cool down please!






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Have you asked your users about this?

if they don't like it, they can get lee's messages from another
system... it is the operator's system and operators can run their
systems as they see fit, right??

Right.

But do you think there's a log-in page that informs his single(?) user about the censorship?

Plus of course, we all know now what he thinks about the freedom of speech that all our(!!) forefathers fought and died for. Fuck that, no?



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Let this stand as notice that I'll hit the <enter>key on my keyboard for ANYONE'S MESSAGE that I don't want to read.

Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Eric Oulashin <=-

Hello Eric,

On Friday May 01 2020 21:53, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

I've added your name to the twit list on my BBS. I don't have the patience for trolls, and now I won't be getting messages from you on
my BBS anymore.

I have returned the favour and added you and "Daniel" to my twitt list.

For the record: that only affects what I see, not what others making
use of my system see.

... How did you find this place?
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Bj�rn Felten wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

True. And it's getting worse all the time. This Tuesday he said that USA would have five million tests per day real soon now. On Wednesday
he said that he never said that, that it probably was from some Harvard report...

And, he doesn't recall campaigning in February.



... Be extravagant
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Re: Question
By: Bj�rn Felten to mark lewis on Sat May 02 2020 15:01:56

no one is required to do anything to introduce themselves in here or
most any other echo... so you can get the hell off of that damned horse...

Why so hostile

not hostile...

and what's with the swearing?

what swearing?

Is that how you want kids to see you?

what kids?

BF Surely you know that this is a real name echo?

i do...

Do you accept "Daniel" as the "real" name in your real name echoes?

where were you with your moderator hat when he firt started posting and before lee started his shenanigans??

Cool down please!

don't project, please... i'm not hostile, angry, or upset and haven't been at any time during these exchanges...


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Re: Question
By: Bj�rn Felten to mark lewis on Sat May 02 2020 15:31:14

Have you asked your users about this?

if they don't like it, they can get lee's messages from another
system... it is the operator's system and operators can run their
systems as they see fit, right??

Right.

excellent!

But do you think there's a log-in page that informs his single(?)
user about the censorship?

who cares? it is his system... he can tell them or not... as the operator of his system, that's his choice...

Plus of course, we all know now what he thinks about the freedom
of speech that all our(!!) forefathers fought and died for. Fuck
that, no?

freedom of speech only extends so far... is doesn't extend to shouting fire in a movie theater... it also doesn't extend to private areas... freedom of speech is only guaranteed by the government in government controlled areas... everywhere else is control by other entities which may have their own speech regulations... but you know this and have known it for what? 60+ years, now?


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Hello Bj�rn,

I've added your name to the twit list on my BBS. I don't have the
patience for trolls, and now I won't be getting messages from you on my
BBS anymore.

Have you asked your users about this? Are they too in favour of

censorship

and against freedom of speech?

There is Twit, ahd there is Twat.
But do note, there is a difference.
And then there is Twit-Twat, the
third wheel of that grand union.

How do you tell the difference as to who is who or what is what?
Well, it really is quite simple. As Peter Silverton, in his book
`Filthy English', explains -

"Can you distinguish an utter twat from a complete prick? I think
you can. An utter twat knows not what he or she does. A complete
prick does."

Do note this is not on the list of seven dirty words made famous
by George Carlin. 7 FEC VIOLATIONS! Can't have that on your bbs ...

--Lee

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Hello Alan,

At the bottom of the page is a node number with your name on it.

It never had Eric's name on it. It's simply an origin line with his node number.

Eric Oulashin owns the node number, not "Daniel".

Does Santa Claus own the node number noted at the bottom of this page?

--Ho Ho

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On 01/05/2020 6:00 p.m., Eric Oulashin : Alan Ianson wrote:

AI> I haven't looked in a while but a good place to look is the Telnet BBS
AI> Guide.

AI> http://www.telnetbbsguide.com

Yep, I have my BBS listed there.
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https://www.ipingthereforeiam.com/bbs/ also does a pretty good presentation.



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Re: Question
By: Michiel van der Vlist to Eric Oulashin on Sat May 02 2020 11:15 am

I've added your name to the twit list on my BBS. I don't have the
patience for trolls, and now I won't be getting messages from you on
my BBS anymore.

I have returned the favour and added you and "Daniel" to my twitt list.

For the record: that only affects what I see, not what others making use of my system see.

Do what you will, but I never did anything to you, and I rarely even read the FIDONEWS echo. I was only pulled into this because apparently some people think Daniel and I are the same person.. ?? Now I've been added to someone's twit list for basically no reason. :P I guess it doesn't really matter since I rarely read FidoNet anyway.. The only echo on FidoNet I've been really active in the last several years is the Star Trek echo.

Eric
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Bj!rn Felten wrote to Daniel <=-

You can't feel sorry for people you hate.

What's with this hate obsession of yours?

For real? I have another word for you: fascism. The left owns that too.

I already said I"m done with you. I realized that it's more of a
religion and I learned long ago that religion isn't debatable.

Real hate is what your POTUS demonstrates every time he opens his mouth. He really, really hate Obama.

We gave obama a shot and he screwed up, so.. It's painful how much work it takes to undo damage when it's already done. It'll take a century to fix Clinton's.

Nice talking to you, keep hatin'

Daniel Traechin
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mark lewis wrote to Bjorn Felten <=-

Re: Question
By: Bj.rn Felten to mark lewis on Sat May 02 2020 15:31:14

Have you asked your users about this?

if they don't like it, they can get lee's messages from another
system... it is the operator's system and operators can run their
systems as they see fit, right??

Right.

excellent!

As far as I'm concerned, that Lee character did it to himself. He was trolling my sysop and Eric did his best to silence the guy. The guy just kept pinging him with nonsensical messages.

But do you think there's a log-in page that informs his single(?)
user about the censorship?

who cares? it is his system... he can tell them or not... as the
operator of his system, that's his choice...

I won't shed a bloody tear.

Plus of course, we all know now what he thinks about the freedom
of speech that all our(!!) forefathers fought and died for. Fuck
that, no?

freedom of speech only extends so far... is doesn't extend to shouting fire in a movie theater... it also doesn't extend to private areas... freedom of speech is only guaranteed by the government in government controlled areas... everywhere else is control by other entities which
may have their own speech regulations... but you know this and have
known it for what? 60+ years, now?

There's no question on freedom of speech in this conversation. It's a privately
owned system and Eric was annoyed by a sudden influx of annoying messages in a thread he wasn't part of. He doesn't even peruse Fidonet because, as he says it, it's a Fight-o-net.

The left likes to define 'freedom of speech' subjectively. I don't hear them complaining when a conservative is banned from twitter or facebook. That nutjob
Alex Jones did nothing illegal when he was completely deplatformed over a conspiracy theory. Let that sink in. Deplatformed over a conspiracy theory.. I'm surprised the left didn't go after his domain registrar, the hate is brutal.
I didn't hear them complain when the donald reddit was silenced during a democrat debate. Only the donald reddit was silenced, by the way. But, you know, the speech was "violent" or something ridiculous and it's not worth looking
up. The blatant bias at these internet firms is nothing less than procedure.

Meanwhile, violent fascist groups like antifa get a free pass when they outwardly plan their activities.

A good friend of mine is an engineer at twitter and he's a relatively moderate conservative. He learned from day one that he has to keep his mouth shut
at the office. If they discover anything about his views, he'd likely
be out of a job. They'd find something to dismiss him with to avoid a lawsuit.

Daniel Traechin
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Re: Question
By: August Abolins to Eric Oulashin on Sat May 02 2020 08:48 pm

https://www.ipingthereforeiam.com/bbs/ also does a pretty good presentation.

That's pretty cool. I like the stats with the breakdowns of BBS software and location.

Eric
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Hello Bj�rn,

no one is required to do anything to introduce themselves in ml>here or

most any other echo... so you can get the hell off of ml>that damned horse...

Why so hostile, and what's with the swearing? Is that how you want kids

to

see you?

He is trying his best to imitate Joe Orange.
But he is no Rich Little.

Surely you know that this is a real name echo?

Is it?
I could not find any such rule in The Rules as posted by the Moderator.
Perhaps it needs to be fixed?

Do you accept "Daniel" as the "real" name in your real name echoes?

The use of real names can be interpreted in different ways.
For example, in Mongolia, people only have one name. It could
be the entity known as "Daniel" is Mongolian. However, he goofed
when he revealed he actually has more than one name, referring to
himself as "David Traechin" in a message addressed to you.

Which definitely rules him out as being from Mongolia.

Cool down please!

Ice melts fast in the swamp.

--Lee

--
We Put Big Loads In Tight Places

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Hello Bj�rn,

His better days are behind him. The man is 74 years old,
probably suffers from early onset dementia

True. And it's getting worse all the time. This Tuesday he said that USA would have five million tests per day real soon now. On Wednesday he said that he never said that, that it probably was from some Harvard report...

When he gets caught out, on anything, he lashes out.
When he is contradicted by his own experts, he lashes out.
Nothing is ever his fault, but whoever he wants to blame.

I met a professional boxer some years ago at a local chess club.
He won more fights than he lost, making quite a bit during his career.
We played a few games of skittles (far safer than boxing), and we all
asked him how he was able to win so many boxing matches.

He got up from his table, and explained by doing. Stand in the
ring, and dare your opponent to punch the lights out of you. At
the same time, make sure you connect with punches of your own.

After landing a few punches, your opponent will start lashing out
in a flailing manner, never landing any hard punches, if any punches
at all. Meanwhile, your own punches continue to have devastating
consequences as your own punches are still straignt and on target ...

It's all over for the president. Poll numbers are showing him
15 points down in key battleground states, and even lower elsewhere.
Even some of his own strongholds are now in his opponent's camp ...

--Lee

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Nobody Beats Our Meat

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Hello mark,

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's
a new one for me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

It looks like there's something quoted here with my initials that I
didn't even write. ??

there is exactly that... LL is being his troll self again and

specifically attempting to stir the shit...

Not at all.

yes, completely otherwise you would not have changed the initials used in the attributions on the quotes...

The sysop is responsible for everything that happens on his system.

The entity known as "Daniel" did not properly
introduce himself.

no one is required to do anything to introduce themselves in here or most any other echo...

My statement stands.

so you can get the hell off of that damned horse...

Unlike yours, mine is not stuffed.

The signature at the bottom of the page is a node number with Eric
Oulashid's name on it.

that's not a signature and you know it...

Yes, it is.

that's the origin line which indicates which system placed the message

into

the echo stream...

And a signature.

nothing more, nothing less...

It is what one reads into it.

it has nothing to do with the person that wrote the message and certainly doesn't indicate that the writer is the operator of that system... you

know

this, too...

It has everything to do with the sysop, as the sysop is responsible
for everything that happens on his board. But you know this.

If the entity known as "Daniel" wishes to cause less confusion
for the sysop whose board he is currently using, I suggest he
starts using his own signature.

how about the entity known as Lee Lofaso get off his high horse, first...

The entity known as "Daniel" did not wish to debate in an honest
manner, which is why he refused to properly introduce himself.

perhaps LL's arguments are indicative that he is actually an alternate

for

Bj�rn Felten as some have been suggesting for years?

I am a subconscious fragment of your mind.

it would seem to follow accurately with those arguments...

Keep believing that. I am a subconscious fragment of your mind.

GoodJob!<tm> thanks for playing... and tipping your hand...

Hand? What hand? I am a subconscious fragment of your mind ...

--Lee

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Hello mark,

[..]

signatures are not required and they certainly perform *no*
introductory task of any kind... you've been around long enough
to know this...

Every message has a signature.

no, they don't...

your argument is deeply flawed...

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You lose.

--Lee

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Often Licked, Never Beaten

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Real hate is what your POTUS demonstrates every time he opens his
mouth. He really, really hate Obama.

We gave obama a shot and he screwed up, so..

I kinda suspected that US history wasn't your forte...



..

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Hello Lee,

It never had Eric's name on it. It's simply an origin line with
his node number.

Eric Oulashin owns the node number, not "Daniel".

OK.

Does Santa Claus own the node number noted at the bottom of this page?

We can't assume anyone wrote a message based on the node number at the bottom of the page.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Question
By: mark lewis to Bj�rn Felten on Sat May 02 2020 11:04 am

freedom of speech only extends so far... is doesn't extend to shouting

fire

in a movie theater...

Steve Martin thought that yelling "Movie!" in a crowded firehouse was OK.
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Hello Alan,

It never had Eric's name on it. It's simply an origin line with
his node number.

Eric Oulashin owns the node number, not "Daniel".

OK.

See there? I never lie.

Does Santa Claus own the node number noted at the bottom of this page?

We can't assume anyone wrote a message based on the node number at the bottom of the page.

I never said Santa Claus wrote a message.
It is the subconscious fragment of a sysop's mind who does that.
See there? It's all in the head. It's all in the head ...

--Lee

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Hello Alan,

At the bottom of the page is a node number with your name on it.

It never had Eric's name on it. It's simply an origin line with his node
number.

Eric owns the node number. Lock, stock, and barrel.

--Lee

--
Nobody Beats Our Meat

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Kurt Weiske wrote to mark lewis <=-

Re: Question
By: mark lewis to Bj.rn Felten on Sat May 02 2020 11:04 am

freedom of speech only extends so far... is doesn't extend to shouting

fire

in a movie theater...

Steve Martin thought that yelling "Movie!" in a crowded firehouse was
OK. --- SBBSecho 3.10-Win32

Now that's funny.


... Daniel Traechin
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Re: Question
By: Kurt Weiske to mark lewis on Sat May 02 2020 17:55:59

freedom of speech only extends so far... is doesn't extend to
shouting fire in a movie theater...

Steve Martin thought that yelling "Movie!" in a crowded firehouse
was OK.

it probably is... unless there's not enough seating in the day room where the movie is being played ;)


)\/(ark
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On 3/05/2020 12:55, 2221/360.0 wrote:

Eric owns the node number. Lock, stock, and barrel.

He has a deed for it?

--
Regards
David

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30 Apr 20 15:15, you wrote to Daniel:

On 30 Apr 20 09:41:00, Daniel said the following to Oli:

Are you pulling my leg? Such kind words - "zone clown" now that's a
new one me. Does it hurt when people disagree with you?

Oli doesn't believe you're real and that I as ZC have conjured you out
of thin air. I also waved a magic wand and invented Digital Distortion BBS.

No, but I believe that you are able to login as a Daniel at Digital Distortion and talk to yourself.

Of course this is as silly as you repeating that Lee and me are figments of somebody's imagination.

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01 May 20 05:32, you wrote to Eric Oulashin:

Obviously "Daniel" cannot be real. He has not even a Real Name
(TM) or a node number.

Are you pulling my leg?

Only when I mistake it for a fire hydrant.

I think you're replying to the wrong person. I didn't write the
message you quoted, and I rarely read the FIDONEWS echo..

so it started with just his use of only his first name instead of his first and last real name in his postings followed by a note that he
wasn't listed as the sysop of the BBS he was using...

that's another problem that many in here have glombed onto, too...
they think that every poster is the sysop of the board they post
from... this because BBS users are a rare commodity these days and
most of the posters in here are sysops... plus the huge fact that so
many in non-US locations haven't had users in like two decades which is/was generally blamed on the cost of local phone calls so they
pushed folks more and more to being point systems and thus operators
and we come full circle on the "all posters are operators" fallacy...

some people need a big irony emoticon attached to the text (and than an explanation what this emoticon means) before they recognize irony.

so anyway, just another fidonet-style spat that someone stirred up... kinda like what we've seen in years past that many of us had thought
was finally over with :shrug:

having some guy that behaves like an asshole as a ZC doesn't help.

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Surely you know that this is a real name echo?

since when?


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Surely you know that this is a real name echo?

since when?

Since the beginning of time.




..

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On 07 May 20 14:32:41, Oli said the following to Nick Andre:

Oli doesn't believe you're real and that I as ZC have conjured you out of thin air. I also waved a magic wand and invented Digital Distortion BBS.

No, but I believe that you are able to login as a Daniel at Digital

Distorti

and talk to yourself.

I believe your recent bitchslapping humiliation by the ZC of Fsxnet over your little girly profanity meltdown by Trump supporters was the greatest recent batch of messages I've ever been blessed to wholeheartedly laugh-out-loud to.

Nick

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On 05-02-20, BJ�RN FELTEN said to DANIEL:

Real hate is what your POTUS demonstrates every time he opens his
mouth. He really, really hate Obama.

We gave obama a shot and he screwed up, so..

I kinda suspected that US history wasn't your forte...

Pretty much the entire Barry Sotero (AKA B. Hussein Obama) eight years in office was one long crime spree.







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Hello Everybody,

If you could have a dinner party with three people
living or dead who would they be?

--Lee

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Lee Lofaso wrote to ALL <=-

If you could have a dinner party with three people
living or dead who would they be?

Neil Armstrong, Genghis Kahn, and your Momma.



... A fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer.
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Hi! Lee,

On 11/17/2021 08:22 AM, you wrote to ALL:

If you could have a dinner party with three people
living or dead who would they be?

That was an interesting thought process. I enlisted the help of my eldest daughter, though she was unaware of your question and was not a subject in my deliberations.

I settled on rectifying my life's regrets with the three most important women in my life.

Thank you.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 17.11.2021 01:22

LL> If you could have a dinner party with three people
LL> living or dead who would they be?

Do you think there is no difference to have dinner with living or dead? ;=)

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
fido.fidonews 2021
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On 23/11/2021 22:59, alexander koryagin : Lee Lofaso wrote:

I read your message from 17.11.2021 01:22

  LL> If you could have a dinner party with three people
  LL> living or dead who would they be?

Do you think there is no difference to have dinner with living or dead? ;=)

Live people make better conversationalists (so I here).

--
Regards
David

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On 24/11/2021 13:20, David Drummond : alexander koryagin wrote:

Live people make better conversationalists (so I here).

Erm - make that "hear".

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Regards
David

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Live people make better conversationalists (so I here).

Erm - make that "hear".

It sounded the same. Bloody English...



..

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Hello Alexander,

If you could have a dinner party with three people
living or dead who would they be?

Do you think there is no difference to have dinner with living or dead? ;=)

"We learn from failure, not from success!"
~ Count Dracula

--Lee

--
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Hello David,

If you could have a dinner party with three people
living or dead who would they be?

Do you think there is no difference to have dinner with ak>living or

dead? ;=)

Live people make better conversationalists (so I here).

"I want you to believe ... to believe in things that you cannot."
~ Count Dracula

--Lee

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On 24/11/2021 22:20, Bj�rn Felten : David Drummond wrote:
 DD>>> Live people make better conversationalists (so I here).

 DD>> Erm - make that "hear".

   It sounded the same. Bloody English...

I've thought that all my life.

--
Regards
David

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It sounded the same. Bloody English...

I've thought that all my life.

In Swedish we have the other way around "problem". Two words that are spelled exactly the same can have a totally different meaning. E.g. the word "tomten". With the same emphasis on the first part, but with an ever so minute difference in acuteness, it can mean Santa Clause (upwards) or the property lot (downwards).

There's many other examples. Very hard for adult people learning Swedish to get right, getting rid of their accent. I guess it's one of the reasons that to some people it sounds like we are singing when we speak.



..

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... I guess it's one of
the reasons that to some people it sounds like we are singing when we speak.

You mean ... ABBA weren't really singing? Just reading football comments?

\%/@rd

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Bj-rn Felten wrote to David Drummond <=-

In Swedish we have the other way around "problem". Two words that
are spelled exactly the same can have a totally different meaning. E.g. the word "tomten". With the same emphasis on the first part, but with
an ever so minute difference in acuteness, it can mean Santa Clause (upwards) or the property lot (downwards).

On Star Trek Discovery, the crew was in the mess hall playing the "Auto antonym game" words that mean one thing and the opposite.

"home bound"

Interesting word game, I hadn't thought of that.

"Cleave", there's another one.



... Is the style right?
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Hello Everybody,

I have a question.

Just one question.

What is the difference between a scammer and a con artist?

For Life,
Lee

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What is the difference between a scammer and a con artist?

Easy. One we call a "Lee", the other a "Lofaso".

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward,

What is the difference between a scammer and a con artist?

Easy. One we call a "Lee", the other a "Lofaso".

Words have meanings.

"Lee" + "Ward" = "Leeward"
Everybody knows what that means.
"Lofaso" means "The Wall"
Put the two together and what you
have is something truly disastrous.
I will spare you the details.

For Life,
Lee

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GOP thinks banning abortion will elininate abortions.

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