Is there a process in Zone 1 for having an acting local hub designated?

The KY hub, Allen Prunty, has been offline for a while. He has been experiencing health and other issues that are more important that BBSing,
so I actually feel bad asking. However, I have received complaints that no
one can send routed netmail to my board or the one other sysop in net 2320.

I have reached out to our regional via netmail and internet email but did
not get a response (with netmail being broken, that is not a surprise).

Is there a way to get an acting, or different, local hub designated in situations like this?

Thanks,
Mike

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On 2019 Mar 30 10:52:00, you wrote to ALL:

Is there a process in Zone 1 for having an acting local hub designated?

assuming you mean network host as in the HOST entry in the nodelist, sure... select a new HOST and contact the RC for your region to put them in the nodelist and they will then take over the NC duties... contact your RC to see if they have a preferred method... by policy, the NC is appointed by the RC so they may simply follow that route... the question us who will carry that mantle and do the job properly...

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assuming you mean network host as in the HOST entry in the nodelist, sure... select a new HOST and contact the RC for your region to put them
in the nodelist and they will then take over the NC duties... contact
your RC to see if they have a preferred method... by policy, the NC is appointed by the RC so they may simply follow that route... the question
us who will carry that mantle and do the job properly...

Just wondering, do you have relatives in the Netherlands?

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Is there a process in Zone 1 for having an acting local hub designated?

If there were a hub in the net I suppose the NC would arrange that.

The KY hub, Allen Prunty, has been offline for a while. He has been experiencing health and other issues that are more important that BBSing,
so I actually feel bad asking.

Don't feel bad for taking care of yourselves, somebody has to do it even if just until Allen Prunty is back up and running.

I don't think Allen would feel bad that you all carry on.

However, I have received complaints that no one can send routed netmail to
my board or the one other sysop in net 2320.

Every net should have an NC at the helm to get that done. If Allen can't do that (and I don't know his situation) maybe one of you two is able to and would
like to take on the role?

I have reached out to our regional via netmail and internet email but did
not get a response (with netmail being broken, that is not a surprise).

I would netmail your RC directly and ask him what should/can be done.

Is there a way to get an acting, or different, local hub designated in situations like this?

The RC will often stand in as an acting NC if needed. Best is to arrange a ready and willing candidate from within the net whenever possible.

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assuming you mean network host as in the HOST entry in the nodelist, sure... >select a new HOST and contact the RC for your region to put them in the >nodelist and they will then take over the NC duties... contact your RC to see >if they have a preferred method... by policy, the NC is appointed by the RC so
they may simply follow that route... the question us who will carry that mantle
and do the job properly...

I have tried contacting the RC but have not had much luck.

Mike

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On 31/03/2019 09:45, Alan Ianson -> Mike Powell wrote:

I have reached out to our regional via netmail and internet email but did
not get a response (with netmail being broken, that is not a surprise).

I would netmail your RC directly and ask him what should/can be done.

Hmmm.

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I would netmail your RC directly and ask him what should/can be done.

Hmmm.

Can you expand on that? ;)

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On 31/03/2019 10:39, Alan Ianson -> David Drummond wrote:

I would netmail your RC directly and ask him what should/can be done.

Hmmm.

Can you expand on that? ;)

He said "I have reached out to our regional via netmail and internet email but did not get a response (with netmail being broken, that is not a surprise)."

And you asked "I would netmail your RC directly and ask him what should/can be done."

My "Hmmm" was me wondering what you understood that he meant.

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Can you expand on that? ;)

He said "I have reached out to our regional via netmail and internet email but
did not get a response (with netmail being broken, that is not a surprise)."

And you asked "I would netmail your RC directly and ask him what should/can be
done."

My "Hmmm" was me wondering what you understood that he meant.

My hope is that a netmail direct (not routed) will get a reply.

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On 31/03/2019 13:20, Alan Ianson -> David Drummond wrote:

He said "I have reached out to our regional via netmail and internet email but
did not get a response (with netmail being broken, that is not a surprise)."

And you asked "I would netmail your RC directly and ask him what should/can be
done."

My "Hmmm" was me wondering what you understood that he meant.

My hope is that a netmail direct (not routed) will get a reply.

Aha - I didn't realise that people there still route netmails when communicating with their *Cs.

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Re: Acting local hub (Z1)?
By: David Drummond to Alan Ianson on Sun Mar 31 2019 01:53 pm

Aha - I didn't realise that people there still route netmails when communicating with their *Cs.

With the popularity of binkp, routing netmail feels like netdiffs - technological solutions for a different time.
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David Drummond wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

My hope is that a netmail direct (not routed) will get a reply.

Aha - I didn't realise that people there still route netmails
when communicating with their *Cs.

Generalize much? "...people there..."

As one of those Z1 people, I would say that nearly all do *NOT*
route netmail to their *Cs.

It's OK, it was just a slip of your anti-Z1 bias. We know.




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On 2019 Mar 30 20:35:18, you wrote to me:

contact your RC to see if they have a preferred method... by policy,
the NC is appointed by the RC so they may simply follow that route...
the question us who will carry that mantle and do the job properly...

Just wondering, do you have relatives in the Netherlands?

why do you ask?

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On 2019 Mar 30 16:35:00, you wrote to me:

RC to see if they have a preferred method... by policy, the NC is
appointed by the RC so they may simply follow that route... the
question us who will carry that mantle and do the job properly...

I have tried contacting the RC but have not had much luck.

you mean RJ? have you tried other methods than netmail sent to their 1:11/0 address? maybe email or DM/PM, private of course, on social media? i know he is on twitter... i've dropped him a note in private... let's see what happens...

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On 2019 Mar 30 19:20:46, you wrote to David Drummond:

My "Hmmm" was me wondering what you understood that he meant.

My hope is that a netmail direct (not routed) will get a reply.

only if the reply netmail is also delivered directly... some setups don't really offer an easy way to switch between routed and direct delivery methods...

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On 2019 Mar 31 13:53:06, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

My "Hmmm" was me wondering what you understood that he meant.

My hope is that a netmail direct (not routed) will get a reply.

Aha - I didn't realise that people there still route netmails when communicating with their *Cs.

FWIW: my system handles a lot of routed netmails... since it was set up in Sept 2018, over 4000 routed netmails have been processed here...

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only if the reply netmail is also delivered directly... some setups don't really offer an easy way to switch between routed and direct delivery methods...

In my own setup netmail is routed except for nodes that are linked here. It's easy for me to send a netmail directly to a node when needed, if I'm unsure if there is a good route.

It is an important detail so I hope Mike and RJ can get that working for net 2320 again.

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Just wondering, do you have relatives in the Netherlands?

why do you ask?

Because people of the Netherlands have a habit of stating the obvious, as if nobody else is aware, to show how good they are.

2 generations back I have ancestors from the Netherlands, thankfully they are from the province of Zeeland ... 8-)

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On 2019 Mar 31 21:54:22, you wrote to me:

Just wondering, do you have relatives in the Netherlands?

why do you ask?

Because people of the Netherlands have a habit of stating the obvious,

if it was so obvious, the OP would not have posted the question ;)

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you mean RJ? have you tried other methods than netmail sent to their 1:11/0 >address? maybe email or DM/PM, private of course, on social media? i know he is
on twitter... i've dropped him a note in private... let's see what happens...

I sent an email to an address I got from another sysop. I don't tweet. :)

Thanks!
Mike

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On 1/04/2019 02:21, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:

My hope is that a netmail direct (not routed) will get a reply.

Aha - I didn't realise that people there still route netmails
when communicating with their *Cs.

Generalize much? "...people there..."

How else should I read his comment?

As one of those Z1 people, I would say that nearly all do *NOT*
route netmail to their *Cs.

And yet someone had to suggest sending it direct...

It's OK, it was just a slip of your anti-Z1 bias. We know.

I don't have an anti-Z1 bias, rather an anti_USA bias.

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Hi Mike!

if they have a preferred method... by policy, the NC is appointed by the RC >> they may simply follow that route... the question us who will carry that

mantle

and do the job properly...

I have tried contacting the RC but have not had much luck.

Did you try to contact your RC via email? I know fidonet works to contact him, but I'm not sure if you have his email address... Let me know if you need me to send you James' email address.

Take care,
Janis

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On 31 Mar 19 11:21:00, Dan Clough said the following to David Drummond:

Generalize much? "...people there..."

As one of those Z1 people, I would say that nearly all do *NOT*
route netmail to their *Cs.

What are you basing that on? Have you conducted a poll of all Z1 Sysops?

I receive a fair amount of routed Netmail through my system destined for all zones. Sometimes a slip-up of someone's Othernet Netmails make their way through here. And the Nodelist Police need someone to blame when they cannot Crash deliver something.

It would be nice if the *C-routing structure was consistent no matter if everyone wants to Crash deliver; because with BinkP and everyone getting
feeds from everyone else it is almost impossible to determine the routing table for a Zone.

Nick

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It would be nice if the *C-routing structure was consistent no matter if everyone wants to Crash deliver; because with BinkP and everyone getting feeds from everyone else it is almost impossible to determine the routing table for a Zone.

I've never bothered about a routing table in Z2. From my first day in office I decided I'd route as every region in the zone has to link with me and therefor 2:2/0 can provide routing to all regions.

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On 01 Apr 19 22:48:56, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

I've never bothered about a routing table in Z2. From my first day in

offic

decided I'd route as every region in the zone has to link with me and

there

2:2/0 can provide routing to all regions.

I know... I've seen your setup 8-)

Thats how I have it set up here, routing to RC's for the most part.

Nick

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thats pretty cool dude.

FWIW: my system handles a lot of routed netmails... since it
was set up in Sept 2018, over 4000 routed netmails have been
processed here...

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Thats how I have it set up here, routing to RC's for the most part.

Just make sure they're not taking P4 too seriously.

P4.1.2.4:

"A Regional Coordinator does not perform message-forwarding services for any nodes in the region."





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On 2/04/2019 12:57, 2:203/2 wrote:

Thats how I have it set up here, routing to RC's for the most part.

Just make sure they're not taking P4 too seriously.

P4.1.2.4:

"A Regional Coordinator does not perform message-forwarding services for any nodes in the region."

However if one's NC wasn't responding then wouldn't one communicate directly with one's RC?

My original question was in regard to routing TO the RC, not VIA.

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I've never bothered about a routing table in Z2. From my first day in

offic

decided I'd route as every region in the zone has to link with me and

there

2:2/0 can provide routing to all regions.

I know... I've seen your setup 8-)

Yeah ... I wonder if there are 2 other people in the whole of Fidonet who have that kind of open cooperation ...

Thats how I have it set up here, routing to RC's for the most part.

And? How many are "live" ?

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Aha - I didn't realise that people there still route netmails when ml>DD> communicating with their *Cs.

FWIW: my system handles a lot of routed netmails... since it was set up
in Sept 2018, over 4000 routed netmails have been processed here...

Peanuts.

\%/@rd

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Bjorn,

Just make sure they're not taking P4 too seriously.

P4.1.2.4:

"A Regional Coordinator does not perform message-forwarding services
for any nodes in the region."

Whenever I hear that bullshit statement quoted my stomach turns ... I have performed message-forwarding services from day-1.

Why? Because it makes sense. When the nodelist-tree is followed when routing netmail forgetting about silly Napoleontic routing tables, then everything just has to arrive.

When netmail doesn't arrive either the Napoleontic routing table is flawed or the /0-node incompetent. Both are relatively easy to be dealt with.

\%/@rd

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Just make sure they're not taking P4 too seriously.

Whenever I hear that bullshit statement quoted my stomach turns ...

Then you are breaking Felten's Rule #4 (as per above).


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On 2/04/2019 08:49, 2:292/854 wrote:

Why? Because it makes sense. When the nodelist-tree is followed when routing netmail forgetting about silly Napoleontic routing tables, then everything just has to arrive.

But how does one set up one's routing instructions to automatically detect the region from a node's address?

I can define zone routes and net routes simply by pulling the node address apart, but how do I determine the region to route stuff to the RCs?

Regions strike me as more of a political structure, not a technical one.

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But how does one set up one's routing instructions to automatically
detect the region from a node's address?

I've got a "Route to" line for every net in the zone.

\%/@rd

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On 02 Apr 19 08:46:50, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

Thats how I have it set up here, routing to RC's for the most part.

And? How many are "live" ?

All in zone 1 are "live", as opposed to "deceased".

But define your question a bit more granular - According to my ex, I was just a life-support system for a cock. The value of being "live" is subjective?

Keep in mind your humor is likely to get me in trouble with the Nodelist Police. Three tickets last month already... I'll end up in the Shithouse.

Nick

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On 2019 Apr 03 07:18:06, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

Regions strike me as more of a political structure, not a technical one.

they are but one can easily look in the nodelist to find the net and set up a regional route to that RC... or you can go further and break it down to route to their NC... it depends on how you want to route... it may also depend on if you have a routing agreement with those RCs... on the one hand, routing to the RCs makes sense because they supposedly have a link with all of the NCs in their region so if they have their routing set up properly, the mail to their nets will flow automajikally...

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Did you try to contact your RC via email? I know fidonet works to contact him,
but I'm not sure if you have his email address... Let me know if you need me to
send you James' email address.

I have one for him but it may not be a good one.

Please send it to mlp (at) iglou (dot) com. Thanks, Janis!

Mike

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But define your question a bit more granular - According to my ex, I was just a life-support system for a cock.

Then what is the role of your right hand?

Keep in mind your humor is likely to get me in trouble with the Nodelist Police. Three tickets last month already... I'll end up in the Shithouse.

My NC got one this week. I explained it was OK not to pay it, I never did and don't get them anymore.

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My NC got one this week. I explained it was OK not to pay it, I never
did and don't get them anymore.

O ye, of little faith...



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Did you try to contact your RC via email? I know fidonet works to contact

him,

but I'm not sure if you have his email address... Let me know if you need me

to

send you James' email address.

I have one for him but it may not be a good one.

Please send it to mlp (at) iglou (dot) com. Thanks, Janis!

Sure Mike, no problem :)

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On 3/04/2019 00:18, Ward Dossche -> David Drummond wrote:

But how does one set up one's routing instructions to automatically
detect the region from a node's address?

I've got a "Route to" line for every net in the zone.

And other zones?

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But how does one set up one's routing instructions to automatically DD>DD>> detect the region from a node's address?

I've got a "Route to" line for every net in the zone.

And other zones?

That's a double question depending on how you read it it:

1) How do other zones do it?

I don't know. I know that ZC1 also advocates following the *C-tree from
the nodelist but selected individuals have their own routing stuff. When
such a person drops-out there's no telling what happens
Z3 and Z4 I have no clue what they do but with respectively 22 and 11
unique sysop names in these 2 zones, it should not exactly be rocket
science.

2) How do you route to other zones yourself?

Z3 and Z4 go direct to the ZC.

In Z1 I deliver direct to a number of RCs and NCs who have requested such.
All the rest goes automatically to ZC1 who is at the top of the
Z1-routing tree as I see it.

This has successfully worked for over 20 years.

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Hello David!

03 Apr 19 07:18, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

But how does one set up one's routing instructions to automatically
detect the region from a node's address?

This information can be found in the nodelist. Given appropriate software, it's not difficult.

Andrew


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