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    From Al DeRosa@1:267/157 to All on Sat Apr 9 07:50:40 2022
    Google is going to not allow less secure apps to access their platform next month.. Is there a way around this for using the password reset function? I chose Gmail back in the day when this feature was introduced because the docs pretty much said it was simpler to use. Can we use a regular email account?

    Al

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  • From Björn Wiberg@2:201/137 to Al DeRosa on Sun Apr 10 14:49:33 2022
    Hello Al!

    On 09 Apr 2022, Al DeRosa said the following...

    Google is going to not allow less secure apps to access their platform next month.. Is there a way around this for using the password reset function? I chose Gmail back in the day when this feature was introduced because the docs pretty much said it was simpler to use. Can we use a regular email account?

    Just about any e-mail provider which accepts SMTP message submission should work, I think.

    However -- if I recall correctly -- when speaking to the SMTP server, Mystic will say:

    MAIL FROM: <sysop@yourbbsdomain.here>

    ...and it will also (in the message headers, i.e., as part of the message data) state:

    From: <sysop@yourbbsdomain.here>

    ...where yourbbsdomain.here is the value of Servers --> General Options --> Domain Name.

    This might cause some e-mail services to refuse the message -- even though Mystic authenticates itself to the SMTP server using the credentials from Servers --> General Options --> SMTP Login and Servers
    General Options --> SMTP Password.

    I know Microsoft's outlook.com e-mail service refuse such messages, for example.

    In my case, I had to configure Mystic to submit the e-mails to my locally-listening-and-relaying SMTP server on my Linux box instead, and have that one rewrite sysop@scbbs.nsupdate.info in the message data to match the actual e-mail address of the outlook.com account... And let it relay the e-mail to outlook.com, authenticating with the outlook.com account credentials.

    So there might be some pitfalls, but in any case, it's worth trying out another e-mail provider.

    Best regards
    Bj”rn

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Al DeRosa on Sun Apr 10 12:50:34 2022
    Google is going to not allow less secure apps to access their platform next month.. Is there a way around this for using the password reset function? I chose Gmail back in the day when this feature was introduced because the docs pretty much said it was simpler to use. Can we use a regular email account?

    What does less secure mean in this situation? Mystic supports TLS 1.2 over its SMTP if that is what you mean.

    You can use any SMTP server that will accept the messages. I'll have to see if I can get some time to look at whatever their changes they are making are.

    ... Confucius say: "Its stuffy inside fortune cookie"

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  • From Gaston Martres@4:900/108 to Björn Wiberg on Sun Apr 10 17:04:19 2022
    On 09 Apr 2022, Al DeRosa said the following...

    Google is going to not allow less secure apps to access their platfor next month.. Is there a way around this for using the password reset function? I chose Gmail back in the day when this feature was introdu because the docs pretty much said it was simpler to use. Can we use a regular email account?

    Just about any e-mail provider which accepts SMTP message submission should work, I think.

    However -- if I recall correctly -- when speaking to the SMTP server, Mystic will say:

    MAIL FROM: <sysop@yourbbsdomain.here>

    ...and it will also (in the message headers, i.e., as part of the
    message data) state:

    From: <sysop@yourbbsdomain.here>

    ...where yourbbsdomain.here is the value of Servers --> General Options
    Domain Name.

    This might cause some e-mail services to refuse the message -- even
    though Mystic authenticates itself to the SMTP server using the credentials from Servers --> General Options --> SMTP Login and Servers
    General Options --> SMTP Password.

    I know Microsoft's outlook.com e-mail service refuse such messages, for example.

    In my case, I had to configure Mystic to submit the e-mails to my locally-listening-and-relaying SMTP server on my Linux box instead, and have that one rewrite sysop@scbbs.nsupdate.info in the message data to match the actual e-mail address of the outlook.com account... And let it relay the e-mail to outlook.com, authenticating with the outlook.com account credentials.
    It is known that microsoft expects a few thing just for allowing you to send mail to outlook.com,hotmail.com and so accounts.
    One of this things is to join or pay a subscription to their service for secure mails or mail servers. I dont recall right now the name, but this is one of the things that made me drop out offering hosting plans when I had a hosting service.


    So there might be some pitfalls, but in any case, it's worth trying out another e-mail provider.
    For other smtp servers and mail providers it is not enough just using TLS. You will have to configure DKIM keys and dns entries, SPF entries as well, a reverse dns pointing to your mail server, a good reputation on RBL lists, and so on.

    Cheers!
    Cyberzoo

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  • From Björn Wiberg@2:201/137 to Gaston Martres on Sun Apr 10 22:48:17 2022
    Hello Gaston!

    Thank you for your reply!

    On 10 Apr 2022, Gaston Martres said the following...
    For other smtp servers and mail providers it is not enough just using
    TLS. You will have to configure DKIM keys and dns entries, SPF entries
    as well, a reverse dns pointing to your mail server, a good reputation
    on RBL lists, and so on.

    Yes, e-mail nowadays appears to be an exercise in technology, that's for sure...

    Best regards
    Bj”rn

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    * Origin: Star Collision BBS, Uppsala, Sweden (2:201/137)
  • From Al DeRosa@1:267/157 to g00r00 on Mon Apr 11 18:23:02 2022
    On 10 Apr 2022, g00r00 said the following...


    What does less secure mean in this situation? Mystic supports TLS 1.2 over its SMTP if that is what you mean.

    You can use any SMTP server that will accept the messages. I'll have to see if I can get some time to look at whatever their changes they are making are.


    I am going to open up my own server and have all messages go there.. As for less secure, not sure, I do know I have to set up Outlook in my settings as less secure which to me is a joke! I will look into it some more...

    AL

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  • From Al DeRosa@1:267/157 to Björn Wiberg on Mon Apr 11 18:26:29 2022
    On 10 Apr 2022, Bj”rn Wiberg said the following...

    Hello Al!

    Just about any e-mail provider which accepts SMTP message submission should work, I think.

    However -- if I recall correctly -- when speaking to the SMTP server, Mystic will say:

    MAIL FROM: <sysop@yourbbsdomain.here>

    I am just going to set up either my own server on my NAS or just create an aol account or on my cable account email. Those work fine, Google is losing money so they are pushing people to spend when this stuff should be free..

    Thanks for the info...

    AL

    ... (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer.

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  • From Björn Wiberg@2:201/137 to Al DeRosa on Tue Apr 12 18:17:27 2022
    Hello Al!

    On 11 Apr 2022, Al DeRosa said the following...
    an aol account or on my cable account email. Those work fine, Google is losing money so they are pushing people to spend when this stuff should
    be free..

    Yep... Granted, spam is a big problem, and by imposing different restrictions they might be able to fight some spammers, but it sure makes things harder for those of us using the free e-mail services for a legitimate purpose...

    Thanks for the info...

    You're very welcome!

    Best regards
    Bj”rn

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