• DNC's abortion truck

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to All on Wed Aug 21 19:42:32 2024
    There are women who have expressed regret after getting a tattoo, but it's something that they have to live with for the rest of their lives.

    Then there are women who have expressed regret after having an abortion, but that's something they have to live with the rest of their lives too.

    Imagine a woman has a friend who does tattoos, and the friend offers to give the woman a tattoo for free. If the woman regrets getting the tattoo, she's going to feel disgusted every time she sees that friend.

    It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion at the DNC. If they regret the abortion, which I'm sure they will, they're going to feel disgusted every time she sees a Democrat.

    One way or another, or maybe even in two ways or more, people are going to be repulsed by Democrats for this.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 21 20:27:36 2024
    It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion at the DNC.

    The DNC does not offer free abortions.

    If any woman wants/needs an abortion they should see a doctor since an abortion is health care, not politics.

    If they regret the abortion, which I'm sure they will, they're going to
    feel disgusted every time she sees a Democrat.

    I bet most women who have had an abortion to regret it. Sometimes it is best, or necessary for one reason or another.

    One way or another, or maybe even in two ways or more, people are going to be repulsed by Democrats for this.

    People are going to be repulsed by people who won't mind their own business and let women take care of their own lives/bodies with care provided by a doctor.

    Lack of access to safe, timely, affordable and respectful abortion care is a critical public health and human rights issue.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Thu Aug 22 07:19:04 2024
    It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion at DNC.

    The DNC does not offer free abortions.

    Technically, you're right. It's not abortion surgery, but it's free abortion pills for women and free vasectomies for men.

    If any woman wants/needs an abortion they should see a doctor since an abortion is health care, not politics.

    The DNC has invited Planned Parenthood to park an "abortion truck" outside The United Center Arena during the convention.

    People are going to be repulsed by people who won't mind their own business and let women take care of their own lives/bodies with care provided by a doctor.

    Exactly. That's why this "abortion on wheels" is going to be remembered as something that Democrats pushed on people, instead of minding their own business.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Aug 22 09:10:00 2024
    It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion at the DNC. If they regret the abortion, which I'm sure they will, they're going to feel disgusted every time she sees a Democrat.

    One way or another, or maybe even in two ways or more, people are going to be repulsed by Democrats for this.

    I would think that Democrats getting abortions... and vasectomies... at the
    DNC would come as good news to right-wing Republicans as it is most likely preventing more future Democrats?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thu Aug 22 09:23:00 2024
    It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion at the
    DNC.

    The DNC does not offer free abortions.

    Sorry, you are mostly mistaken here. He didn't say the "DNC was offering" them, he said "at the DNC." Here are some sources that you probably won't bother reading because they don't reinforce your position:

    Planned Parenthood offers free abortions, vasectomies at mobile clinic near
    DNC to "show what is possible"

    SOURCE: The Chicago Tribune via MSN

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/planned-parenthood-offers-free-abortions-
    vasectomies-at-mobile-clinic-near-dnc-to-show-what-is-possible/ar-AA1p52Kf

    https://tinyurl.com/47hyp9n8

    Another article about the Planned Parenthood bus regarding "no cost"
    abortion and vasectomy service:

    SOURCE: USA Today via MSN

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/abortions-at-the-dnc-planned-parenthood-bus- providing-no-cost-service-and-vasectomies/ar-AA1p3Ba4

    https://tinyurl.com/2v8u4kkd

    These were super easy to find.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Thu Aug 22 10:13:46 2024
    One way or another, or maybe even in two ways or more, people are going repulsed by Democrats for this.

    I would think that Democrats getting abortions... and vasectomies... at the DNC would come as good news to right-wing Republicans as it is most likely preventing more future Democrats?

    It's wise to think positively, and on the bright side of things, but it's my hope that children will adapt and learn how to see through BS.

    I was amazed to stumble upon this article:

    https://apnews.com/article/fluoride-water-brain-neurology-iq-0a671d2de3b386947e 2bd5a661f437a5

    The AP is cluing us in about the effects of fluoride in children's drinking water. The smart children who read this might hypothesize that the government is trying to make them dumber, and hopefully they'll even speculate as to why they would want them to be dumber.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 22 17:40:22 2024
    Exactly. That's why this "abortion on wheels" is going to be remembered as something that Democrats pushed on people, instead of minding their own business.

    There is no "abortion on wheels".

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Thu Aug 22 17:46:56 2024
    The DNC does not offer free abortions.

    Planned Parenthood offers free abortions, vasectomies at mobile clinic near DNC to "show what is possible"

    The DNC does not offer "free abortions"

    Don't be silly.

    Another article about the Planned Parenthood bus regarding "no cost"
    abortion and vasectomy service:

    Is no cost abortions or vasectomies a bad thing?

    Good or bad the DNC soes not offer "free abortions".

    Women will have abortions whether they are free/legal or not.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 23 14:49:52 2024
    Hello Aaron,

    There are women who have expressed regret after getting a tattoo, but it's something that they have to live with for the rest of their lives.

    Most folks (men, women, and children) love body art. Especially
    as expressed by themselves, on their own bodies.

    Then there are women who have expressed regret after having an abortion, but
    that's something they have to live with the rest of their lives too.

    Rape and incest are violent crimes, and no woman (or child) should
    be forced to give birth to what should have been aborted like trash.
    Margaret Atwood wrote a novel - "The Handmaid's Tale" - which is
    fiction. And yet some folks want to make it a reality. Truly sick.

    Imagine a woman has a friend who does tattoos, and the friend offers to give
    the woman a tattoo for free. If the woman regrets getting the tattoo, she's
    going to feel disgusted every time she sees that friend.

    Taylor Swift is a very popular gal. So is Dolly Parton. Both ladies
    sport lovely body art. And they get along very well.

    It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion at the
    DNC. If they regret the abortion, which I'm sure they will, they're going to feel disgusted every time she sees a Democrat.

    Everything ought to be free. That is what hope and change is all
    about. Time to make it a reality, than just a pipe dream. Every working
    girl knows that. And so does Barack Obama (and Michele).

    One way or another, or maybe even in two ways or more, people are going to be repulsed by Democrats for this.

    The crowd adored both Obamas at the DNC the other night. Just you
    wait until the main act tonight, when Kamala takes the stage ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 14:50:04 2024
    Hello Alan,

    [..]

    Lack of access to safe, timely, affordable and respectful abortion care is a
    critical public health and human rights issue.

    Coat hangers are cheap.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 07:28:28 2024
    On 22 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    There is no "abortion on wheels".


    Yes there was... Some guy at the DNC got in line think it was a food truck... ended up getting a vasectomy...

    That might have been a meme...

    None the less. The plan Parenthood vehicle was there. Offering 2 services 1 abortions and 2 vasectomies.

    https://www.wbez.org/2024/08/20/as-reproductive-rights-takes-center-stage-at-th e-dnc-planned-parenthood-hosts-a-mobile-clinic-with-free-medication-abortions-a nd-vasectomies

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Fri Aug 23 06:42:44 2024
    None the less. The plan Parenthood vehicle was there. Offering 2 services 1 abortions and 2 vasectomies.

    You could park your vehicle there to, if you wanted to do that.

    None the less. The DNC does not provide abortions.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/F8TctzAMQeA?feature=share

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 07:32:56 2024
    On 22 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    The DNC does not offer "free abortions"


    I don't think anyone is saying the DNC is offering them. It's Plan Parenthood who is offering them.

    Plan Parenthood put their mobile abortion clink outside of the DNC because its the Democrats who fund them.

    They didn't put it outside of the RNC because the Republicans think abortions should not be funded by the government in ~ 80% of the cases.

    Alan "FOCUS"

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Fri Aug 23 07:20:14 2024
    The DNC does not offer "free abortions"

    I don't think anyone is saying the DNC is offering them. It's Plan Parenthood who is offering them.

    This is exactly what Aaron was/is/has been saying.

    Plan Parenthood put their mobile abortion clink outside of the DNC because its the Democrats who fund them.

    Planned parenthood is a good thing regardless of where they park.

    Alan "FOCUS"

    Don't be silly!

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 09:28:20 2024
    On 23 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Planned parenthood is a good thing regardless of where they park.


    1. Compared to what?
    2. At what cost?
    3. What hard evidence do you have?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Fri Aug 23 08:55:42 2024
    Planned parenthood is a good thing regardless of where they park.

    1. Compared to what?

    No plan.

    2. At what cost?

    You tell me it's free!

    3. What hard evidence do you have?

    This is not a new program, look it up.

    Planned parenthood is superior to unplanned parenthood. Even a republican will tell you that.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Aug 23 10:36:00 2024
    The DNC does not offer free abortions.

    Planned Parenthood offers free abortions, vasectomies at mobile clinic near DNC to "show what is possible"

    The DNC does not offer "free abortions"

    Don't be silly.

    Aaron NEVER said in this thread that *the DNC* was offering them. He said
    they were being offered *AT* the DNC, which *THEY ARE*.

    Another article about the Planned Parenthood bus regarding "no cost" abortion and vasectomy service:

    Is no cost abortions or vasectomies a bad thing?

    I didn't say if they were. I was pointing out that you were, as usual, mistaken and that they were indeed being offered *AT* the DNC.

    Good or bad the DNC soes not offer "free abortions".

    Aaron NEVER said in this thread that *the DNC* was offering them. He said
    they were being offered *AT* the DNC, which *THEY ARE*.

    You English comprehension is *HORRIBLE*.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Aug 23 10:47:00 2024
    Exactly. That's why this "abortion on wheels" is going to be remembered as something that Democrats pushed on people, instead of minding their own business.

    There is no "abortion on wheels".

    You didn't read either of the damn links I posted here, did you?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Aug 23 10:49:00 2024
    None the less. The plan Parenthood vehicle was there. Offering 2 services 1
    abortions and 2 vasectomies.

    You could park your vehicle there to, if you wanted to do that.

    None the less. The DNC does not provide abortions.

    No one said they did.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Aug 23 10:51:00 2024
    None the less. The plan Parenthood vehicle was there. Offering 2 services 1
    abortions and 2 vasectomies.

    You could park your vehicle there to, if you wanted to do that.

    Actually, you COULD NOT. The DNC put up a fence, and then a second fence, around so no one can get in without their permission.

    None the less. The DNC does not provide abortions.

    No one said they did. You are the only one who made the mistake of
    thinking it was said. I wonder why?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Aug 23 10:52:00 2024
    The DNC does not offer "free abortions"

    I don't think anyone is saying the DNC is offering them. It's Plan Parenthood who is offering them.

    This is exactly what Aaron was/is/has been saying.

    NO, HE SAID "AT THE DNC," WHICH IS 100% CORRECT.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 12:16:58 2024
    On 23 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Planned parenthood is superior to unplanned parenthood. Even a
    republican will tell you that.


    It's 2024... If you don't know how to prevent a birth by now...

    You also need to look up Margaret Sander ... ONE OF the original founding ideas behind Plan Parenthood was to use abortion to cull the Negro population. She was a racist and wanted to use eugenics to do this.

    Stop promoting your racist ideas...

    What I said about Margret is a known fact!!!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Fri Aug 23 11:22:30 2024
    Aaron NEVER said in this thread that *the DNC* was offering them.

    Don't be dishonest.

    He said they were being offered *AT* the DNC, which *THEY ARE*.

    That is a lie.

    This is what Aaron said in his original "DNC's abortion truck" message.

    And I quote..

    "It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion at the DNC."

    There is no mention of "truck".

    Is no cost abortions or vasectomies a bad thing?

    I didn't say if they were. I was pointing out that you were, as usual, mistaken and that they were indeed being offered *AT* the DNC.

    I was not mistaken.

    Good or bad the DNC soes not offer "free abortions".

    Aaron NEVER said in this thread that *the DNC* was offering them. He said they were being offered *AT* the DNC, which *THEY ARE*.

    Aaron said women were getting free abortions at the DNC.

    You English comprehension is *HORRIBLE*.

    Get a grip on reality MAGA.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Fri Aug 23 11:23:50 2024
    There is no "abortion on wheels".

    You didn't read either of the damn links I posted here, did you?

    The DNC does not offer abortions, free or otherwise.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Fri Aug 23 11:26:42 2024
    You could park your vehicle there to, if you wanted to do that.

    None the less. The DNC does not provide abortions.

    No one said they did.

    One more time, this is what Arron said (among other things).

    "It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion at the DNC."

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Fri Aug 23 11:35:06 2024
    None the less. The DNC does not provide abortions.

    No one said they did. You are the only one who made the mistake of
    thinking it was said. I wonder why?

    Maybe because it has been a MAGA talking point since, well.. MAGA!

    Aaron made no mention of any truck or planned parenthood. Just "women who get the free abortion at the DNC.

    Of course I told you already. The DNC does not provide abortions!

    MAGA! MAGA! MAGA! MAGA!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Fri Aug 23 11:36:36 2024
    This is exactly what Aaron was/is/has been saying.

    NO, HE SAID "AT THE DNC," WHICH IS 100% CORRECT.

    You were making the same silly argument about "if".

    Don't be silly.

    Don't be dishonest.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Fri Aug 23 11:46:16 2024
    Stop promoting your racist ideas...

    What racist idea did I promote?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Fri Aug 23 13:59:38 2024
    You also need to look up Margaret Sander ... ONE OF the original
    founding ideas behind Plan Parenthood was to use abortion to cull the Negro population. She was a racist and wanted to use eugenics to do
    this.

    Stop promoting your racist ideas...

    What I said about Margret is a known fact!!!

    He was just recently telling me that I should be "glad that liberals are aborting their babies." I'm not glad about it! They should try listening to an ultrasound first. Nothing sounds more wonderful than a baby's heartbeat.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 14:03:28 2024
    He said they were being offered *AT* the DNC, which *THEY ARE*.

    That is a lie.

    This is what Aaron said in his original "DNC's abortion truck" message.

    And I quote..

    "It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion
    at the DNC."

    https://ibb.co/Y2b9Jzf

    Here is a photo of the truck. The building behind the truck is The United Center in downtown Chicago.

    Guess where the DNC was held?

    No! Don't guess at it! It was held at The United Center!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 23 13:24:02 2024
    He was just recently telling me that I should be "glad that liberals are aborting their babies."

    The election is coming up. The MAGAs are going to be spreading bullshit like peanut butter on a sandwich.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 23 13:26:30 2024
    "It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion
    at the DNC."

    https://ibb.co/Y2b9Jzf

    Oh, you meant out on the street, not "at the DNC".

    No! Don't guess at it! It was held at The United Center!

    I know where the united center is and free abortions are not, but thank you.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 23 14:56:20 2024
    On 23 Aug 2024, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    He was just recently telling me that I should be "glad that liberals are aborting their babies." I'm not glad about it! They should try listening to an ultrasound first. Nothing sounds more wonderful than a baby's heartbeat.


    I have an other abortion story...

    When I was in University I knew a young lady who had an abortion. She went to Jamaica and had coitus with one of the island guys... I wasn't there... I just assumed it's one.

    Within weeks of her trip she told me she was pregnant and asked if I would drive her to the clinic.

    I was no part in the conception of the baby. I did not help in anyway in helping her decide... she did not ask my opinion in anyway.. and I gave none at the time.

    It was the year I tried to be a liberal, that only lasted 3 or 4 months... So, as a friend I said sure... drove her to the clinic and waited in the waiting room... Met her in the recovery room... She was wearing a pair of panties that were like fishnet stocking that held a menstrual pad that I could visibly see blood on it. We were about 30 minutes or so in the recovery room and off we went back home.

    I have regrets... I think about what I may have/should have said... More than likely I would not have drove her... I'm not sure what to say... My opinion does not have to be hers... Her involvement in that doesn't have to be mine.

    The next year, at the beginning of the year. I saw a young girl come of the medical services office who was clearly upset. I took it upon myself to go
    up to her to ask her why she was sooooooo upset and asked her if there was anything I could do to help...

    She tearfully told me that she just found out she was pregnant... She was maybe 18 or so... first time doing it... and she's pregnant and away from her family.

    After my first experience... I have an opinion now... I told her to be brave and call her family. Her father happened to be a OBGYN to boot.

    She did call her family. They received the information well... and they supported her. She kept the baby... She was huge by the time she finished her year. She finished her education in her home town so that her parents could help out...

    Baby is now in its 20s...

    I'm not taking credit for all this... BUT there are things that can be said at certain times that could make someone think or do one thing or an other.

    Could you imagine if that young girl bumped into Alan, or whomever, who is pro abortion, who flippantly said... Have an abortion... who cares... don't tell your parents, they'll only be disappointed in you.

    Roe, the woman in the case Roe V Wade later became a pro life advocate and she was completely devastated that her name was attached to that case. She later said she felt manipulated by the pro choice people.

    This is a complicated topic. I have said in the past... I gave you the recent family event where they brought my nieces baby early... perfectly healthy... They abort babies at that time for no reason at all...

    Since I don't really want to participate in the process, been there done that, why should my tax money have to go there.

    If you want an abortion... go have one... do it while the fetus is as close as it can be to a clump of cells... For those who want to celibate this... go do it... quietly somewhere else.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 23 15:29:02 2024
    "It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion >> at the DNC."

    https://ibb.co/Y2b9Jzf

    Oh, you meant out on the street, not "at the DNC".

    No! Don't guess at it! It was held at The United Center!

    I know where the united center is and free abortions are not, but thank you.

    Yea, not at the DNC headquarters, but at the DNC convention.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to IB Joe on Fri Aug 23 15:40:28 2024
    I have regrets... I think about what I may have/should have said... More than likely I would not have drove her... I'm not sure what to say... My opinion does not have to be hers... Her involvement in that doesn't
    have to be mine.

    Everyone regrets something they did when they were a kid. And not everyone who had an abortion is a bad person. A bad person is the one who leaves a live baby in the restroom at the prom.

    Could you imagine if that young girl bumped into Alan, or whomever, who
    is pro abortion, who flippantly said... Have an abortion... who cares... don't tell your parents, they'll only be disappointed in you.

    We can't accept blame for something someone else does. Women can be pro-choice or pro-life, but as fully grown adult men, the only gentlemanly thing we can be is pro-life. Leftist lunatics are just on a mission to impress somebody for idiotic reasons, and they've proven many times that they don't care who gets hurt.

    Roe, the woman in the case Roe V Wade later became a pro life advocate
    and she was completely devastated that her name was attached to that
    case. She later said she felt manipulated by the pro choice people.

    That's interesting! I never knew about that. That's something that Democrats and the media should talk about more often!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 23 14:54:18 2024
    I know where the united center is and free abortions are not, but thank
    you.

    Yea, not at the DNC headquarters, but at the DNC convention.

    Women still have rights in Illinois? Whoda thunk it.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sat Aug 24 09:31:45 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    What I said about Margret is a known fact!!!

    "... and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded." -- Thomas Sowell


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Aug 24 11:17:00 2024
    Aaron NEVER said in this thread that *the DNC* was offering them.

    Don't be dishonest.

    He said they were being offered *AT* the DNC, which *THEY ARE*.

    That is a lie.

    And I quote..

    "It's gonna be the same thing with the women who get the free abortion at the DNC."

    There is no mention of "truck".

    No kidding, moron, and if you look above, I also don't mention "truck." The mobile unit was AT THE DNC, so people were able to get service AT THE CONVENTION. Both links I provided you, from the Chicago Tribune and another source, said as much.

    NO ONE SAID THE DNC WAS *PROVIDING* THE SERVICE as you persist in claiming.

    Then again, NEITHER of the provided articles mention the DNC requesting at
    any time that the mobile unit not be parked outside their convention.

    You also claimed there was no such thing as a mobile abortion service, but there sure is. Again, go back and read those articles.

    Is no cost abortions or vasectomies a bad thing?

    I didn't say if they were. I was pointing out that you were, as usual, mistaken and that they were indeed being offered *AT* the DNC.

    I was not mistaken.

    You were. The mobile unit was AT THE DEMOCRAT NATIONAL CONVENTION, which
    was all anyone claimed ("at the DNC").

    Good or bad the DNC soes not offer "free abortions".

    Aaron NEVER said in this thread that *the DNC* was offering them. He said they were being offered *AT* the DNC, which *THEY ARE*.

    Aaron said women were getting free abortions at the DNC.

    They were if they wanted to. As stated in the articles, the Planned
    Parenthood mobile unit was *AT THE CONVENTION* which is commonly called
    "the DNC" by the US press.

    You English comprehension is *HORRIBLE*.

    Get a grip on reality MAGA.

    I am not a MAGA. You are at least as dumb as you believe them to be, though.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Aug 24 11:17:00 2024
    There is no "abortion on wheels".

    You didn't read either of the damn links I posted here, did you?

    The DNC does not offer abortions, free or otherwise.

    *NO ONE SAID THEY DID*


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Aug 24 11:18:00 2024
    None the less. The DNC does not provide abortions.

    No one said they did. You are the only one who made the mistake of thinking it was said. I wonder why?

    Maybe because it has been a MAGA talking point since, well.. MAGA!

    Aaron made no mention of any truck or planned parenthood. Just "women who get the free abortion at the DNC.

    He did not need to. What he said was correct. The Planned Parenthood
    mobile unit was *AT THE DNC*. Not some other random place in Chicago.
    They were parked outside *THE CONVENTION* security perimeter and were parked where they were because *THE DEMOCRAT NATIONAL CONVENTION (DNC)* was there.

    Of course I told you already. The DNC does not provide abortions!

    *No one* said they did. Not one. Only you seem to believe that.

    MAGA! MAGA! MAGA! MAGA!

    So you are MAGA now?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Sat Aug 24 11:10:00 2024
    Planned parenthood is a good thing regardless of where they park.

    1. Compared to what?
    2. At what cost?
    3. What hard evidence do you have?

    Don't bother. Alan is by far the most dense person I have ever interacted
    with in this echo. Well, wait, there used to be a user here named Tim Richardson who might have been slighly worse. Just imagine "Lee Lofaso" as
    a "conservative" and you will have the proper mental image of Tim.

    But Alan is the current leader. He is useful, though. Whenever someone
    claims that only conservatives are misinformed, dumb, uneducated, etc., you
    can parade a few conversations with Alan out which will quickly prove otherwise.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sat Aug 24 11:15:46 2024
    On 24 Aug 2024, Ron L. said the following...


    What I said about Margret is a known fact!!!

    "... and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded." --
    Thomas Sowell


    The majority of Plan Parenthoods clinics are in Black and minority areas... They are realizing their 1916 goals of culling the Black community.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 24 11:22:52 2024
    On 24 Aug 2024, Mike Powell said the following...


    Don't bother. Alan is by far the most dense person I have ever
    interacted with in this echo. Well, wait, there used to be a user here named Tim Richardson who might have been slighly worse. Just imagine
    "Lee Lofaso" as a "conservative" and you will have the proper mental
    image of Tim.

    But Alan is the current leader. He is useful, though. Whenever someone claims that only conservatives are misinformed, dumb, uneducated, etc., you can parade a few conversations with Alan out which will quickly prove otherwise.


    I'm hoping to inspire him to support his thoughts and contribute meaningful information.

    At least I tried to be a liberal for a couple months... The horror... The things I saw... I'll never get the images out of my head!!!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 24 10:49:36 2024
    The DNC does not offer abortions, free or otherwise.

    *NO ONE SAID THEY DID*

    Aaron said women were getting abortions "at the DNC"

    That seems pretty simple to me, are you having trouble with it?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 24 10:51:24 2024
    Of course I told you already. The DNC does not provide abortions!

    *No one* said they did. Not one. Only you seem to believe that.

    Aaron said women were getting abortions "at the DNC". get it?

    So you are MAGA now?

    Give me your best guess.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 24 10:53:32 2024
    Whenever someone claims that only conservatives are misinformed, dumb, uneducated, etc., you can parade a few conversations with Alan out which
    will quickly prove otherwise.

    Not conservatives. MAGAs.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Sun Aug 25 10:26:00 2024
    I'm hoping to inspire (Alan) to support his thoughts and contribute meaningful information.

    That has been tried before. Maybe you will finally be the successful one. Here's hoping.

    He doesn't even believe things when provided with valid, mainstream sourced news articles that prove the point, so I suspect you have a very uphill
    battle ahead of you.

    He's either a troll or he's really as dim as he seems.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sun Aug 25 10:25:00 2024
    So you are MAGA now?

    Give me your best guess.

    You are the only one of the two of us whose been cheerleading with posts containing "MAGA! MAGA! MAGA! MAGA!" here so I wouldn't know.

    In 2016, I didn't really like Trump but voted for him because I disliked,
    and distrusted, Hillary far more. Still do.

    In 2020, I didn't really like Trump but voted for him because Joe Biden was obviously having mental decline issues (which, guess what, the Democrats finally admitted to) and I didn't believe his running mate was competent
    enough to take his place should he have to step aside.

    In 2024, I don't really like Trump but believe the same things I did about Harris that I did in 2020, except now I have the benefit of seeing her act pretty overwhelmed in the mostly do-nothing office of Vice President. I
    also believe the few policies that she has actually stated will only make inflation worse.

    So MAGA I am not.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 25 14:33:36 2024
    I'm hoping to inspire (Alan) to support his thoughts and contribute
    meaningful information.

    That has been tried before. Maybe you will finally be the successful one. Here's hoping.

    I have supported my position with facts and links many times. I have done so many times, and I will do it again.

    I am not likely to provide links when I say something like the economy is doing better under Biden than it did under Trump because it is already well sourced and the information is widely available.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 25 14:42:20 2024
    In 2020, I didn't really like Trump but voted for him because Joe Biden was obviously having mental decline issues (which, guess what, the Democrats finally admitted to)

    Did they?

    I haven't seen this mental decline you speak of. I admit Joe Biden is an older man and he moves like an older man. I would still trust his mind over Trump.

    In 2024, I don't really like Trump but believe the same things I did about Harris that I did in 2020, except now I have the benefit of seeing her act pretty overwhelmed in the mostly do-nothing office of Vice President. I
    also believe the few policies that she has actually stated will only make inflation worse.

    I think the policies of project 2025 will drive inflation up and taxes for Americans, except of course for the 1%.

    So MAGA I am not.

    You are not the same kind of MAGA that IB Joe or Aaron are, but you are MAGA.

    I believe that America is great already and that "Make America Great Again" is nothing more than a bumper sticker or words on a red hat.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 25 17:02:48 2024
    On 24 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Aaron said women were getting abortions "at the DNC"

    That seems pretty simple to me, are you having trouble with it?


    Alan knock it off... They were... kinda... The truck was at the event. it was parked at the event it had a permit to be at the event and offered services at the event.

    They stopped posting their kills because I was posting their results.

    Planed Parenthood is not part of the DNC but the DNC with Chicago allowed them to park there... Where as Gays for Palestine had to be far away.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 25 17:07:58 2024
    On 24 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    So you are MAGA now?

    Give me your best guess.


    Make Affordable Groceries Again

    American people just want to feed their kids...

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sun Aug 25 17:39:18 2024
    That seems pretty simple to me, are you having trouble with it?

    Alan knock it off... They were... kinda...

    HAHA.. ;)

    Well, I'm glad you do get it!

    They stopped posting their kills because I was posting their results.

    They are not doing "kills". They do support health care and the right to privacy and abortion for women that the supreme court stripped away from the American people.

    Abortions are not "kills". All I ask is that you call it what it is.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sun Aug 25 17:43:30 2024
    Make Affordable Groceries Again

    I can get behind that idea. There is nothing nothing in the republican agenda or (especially project 2025) that will make groceries affordable again.

    American people just want to feed their kids...

    Republicans are to busy making it harder to vote and easier to cheat on elections to care in any way about the American people.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 25 18:38:38 2024
    older man and he moves like an older man. I would still trust his mind over Trump.

    He referred to Kamala and Tim as "Kamala and Jim." It was hilarious. It's also funny how he's endorsing a VP nominee without even knowing his name.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 25 18:40:44 2024
    I think the policies of project 2025 will drive inflation up and taxes
    for Americans, except of course for the 1%.

    What about the policies of The Purge? I'm afraid that they might drive up inflation too.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Aug 25 17:59:06 2024
    older man and he moves like an older man. I would still trust his mind
    over Trump.

    He referred to Kamala and Tim as "Kamala and Jim." It was hilarious.

    Did he really. That is funny.

    It's also funny how he's endorsing a VP nominee without even knowing his name.

    Like Trump called his VP JD Mandel? That's funny too, it is hilarious.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Aug 25 18:01:08 2024
    I think the policies of project 2025 will drive inflation up and taxes
    for Americans, except of course for the 1%.

    What about the policies of The Purge?

    What "policies of The Purge"? Sounds like hollywood.

    I'm afraid that they might drive up inflation too.

    Are you talking about the way republican's want to purge the voters off the voter rolls?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 25 22:30:38 2024
    Abortions are not "kills". All I ask is that you call it what it is.

    They're not 1st degree murder, they're not 2nd degree murder, and they're not manslaughter, but abortions most certainly are KILLS.

    You like Google so much, well, try Google's dictionary:

    kill:

    1) cause the death of

    2) put an end to or cause the failure or defeat of

    Under these definitions, an abortion is as much of a kill as the kill command in the linux terminal.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 25 22:34:40 2024
    Republicans are to busy making it harder to vote and easier to cheat on elections to care in any way about the American people.

    If you go back a few messages in this echo, Ron explained a problem that we're having with election integrity.

    Believe it or not, but there are some Americans who actually think that only citizens should vote in our elections. I know, the audacity. But anyway, it's
    those lunatics who are trying to make it more difficult for foreign-born Americans to vote in our elections.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 25 22:38:22 2024
    He referred to Kamala and Tim as "Kamala and Jim." It was hilarious.

    Did he really. That is funny.

    Yea, he did it day 1 of the Democratic National Convention (that place where Democrats do abortions of people lol)

    Like Trump called his VP JD Mandel? That's funny too, it is hilarious.

    That's not as funny because JD Mandell is another Republican who Trump has endorsed. But the Biden thing is funny because Biden was kicked to the curb to make room for that "Jim" fella.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Aug 25 22:41:10 2024
    I think the policies of project 2025 will drive inflation up and taxes >> for Americans, except of course for the 1%.

    What about the policies of The Purge?

    What "policies of The Purge"? Sounds like hollywood.

    "The Purge" is fiction, just like "Project 2025."

    If you liked Project 2025, you'll love "The Blair Witch Project."

    Are you talking about the way republican's want to purge the voters off the voter rolls?

    Do you think that deceased voters should remain on the voter rolls so that people can continue to cast ballots on their behalf?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Aug 25 21:59:58 2024
    You like Google so much, well, try Google's dictionary:

    I don't use google often.

    kill:

    1) cause the death of

    These are not deaths. Nobody has been killed.

    Under these definitions, an abortion is as much of a kill as the kill command in the linux terminal.

    Abortion is not a kill.

    Factiod:

    More than 60% of abortion patients have a religious affiliation.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Aug 25 22:11:26 2024
    If you go back a few messages in this echo, Ron explained a problem that we're having with election integrity.

    Ron offers daily doses of mis/disinformation. That's why I don't read his posts.

    Believe it or not, but there are some Americans who actually think that only citizens should vote in our elections.

    In federal elections, yes.

    I know, the audacity.

    Not really.

    But anyway, it's those lunatics who are trying to make it more difficult for foreign-born Americans to vote in our elections.

    If you are an American citizen, you have a vote. Simple enough.

    Remember, America is a country of immigrants.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Aug 25 22:12:32 2024
    That's not as funny because JD Mandell is another Republican who Trump has endorsed.

    Yeah, Trump has great respect for that man, but he has a hard time with his name.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Aug 25 22:15:26 2024
    What "policies of The Purge"? Sounds like hollywood.

    "The Purge" is fiction,

    Ah, that's what I thought.

    just like "Project 2025."

    Project 2025 is not fiction. I can send you a copy.

    If you liked Project 2025, you'll love "The Blair Witch Project."

    The Blair Witch Project was OK.

    Project 2025 is not OK.

    Are you talking about the way republican's want to purge the voters off
    the voter rolls?

    Do you think that deceased voters should remain on the voter rolls so that people can continue to cast ballots on their behalf?

    The issue is that republicans are removing voters who are alive and well.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 26 10:45:43 2024
    Alan Ianson -> Mike Powell skrev 2024-08-25 23:42:
    I believe that America is great already and that "Make America Great Again" is nothing more than a bumper sticker or words on a red hat.

    Considering the latest addition to the antivaxxer fraction, maybe it should be changed to "Make Polio Great Again."


    --

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    I'm 76 years old now, so the window is closing. I want to be alive to see the first woman President of the United States of America.

    ..

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 26 09:08:10 2024
    "The Purge" is fiction,

    Ah, that's what I thought.

    just like "Project 2025."

    Project 2025 is not fiction. I can send you a copy.

    Sending me a copy of a fictional set of policies doesn't make it real. I can send you a copy of The Purge.

    The issue is that republicans are removing voters who are alive and well.

    I didn't know about that issue until now. How are they removing them?

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 26 10:05:26 2024
    On 25 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Republicans are to busy making it harder to vote and easier to cheat on elections to care in any way about the American people.


    You are mixed up... Republicans are making it harder to cheat and easier to vote.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Mon Aug 26 11:16:00 2024
    In 2020, I didn't really like Trump but voted for him because Joe Biden was obviously having mental decline issues (which, guess what, the Democrats finally admitted to)

    Did they?

    Yes, they certainly did. Their donors did, too. That has been discussed
    here, including plenty of names and sources. You ignored them then and I
    am sure you'd ignore them now.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Mon Aug 26 10:45:00 2024
    Alan knock it off... They were... kinda... The truck was at the event. it was
    parked at the event it had a permit to be at the event and offered services at
    the event.

    I can see it now...

    ALAN: Where you'd get that bar-b-q? Smells great.

    CO-WORKER: Down at the convention center.

    (time passes)

    ALAN: You lied. You said the bar-b-q was at the convention center. I
    went inside and there was no one there.

    CO-WORKER: They were parked right outside!

    ALAN: But you said "at the convention center"! So dishonest.

    CO-WORKER: In order to get to the convention center, and back here, you had
    to pass the truck *twice* and you didn't notice it?!?

    ALAN: I did pass some people standing around eating, but you said "at the convention center" so I went inside and there was no food there!

    CO-WORKER (to themselves): He really doesn't know his ass from a !@#$%%
    hole in the ground!


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 26 09:24:50 2024
    Project 2025 is not fiction. I can send you a copy.

    Sending me a copy of a fictional set of policies doesn't make it real.

    Project 2025 is not fiction. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

    I can send you a copy of The Purge.

    I've seen it.

    The issue is that republicans are removing voters who are alive and well.

    I didn't know about that issue until now. How are they removing them?

    This is happening in Georgia and there are similar stories around the country.

    https://youtu.be/MK4b-meIGPU

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Mon Aug 26 09:25:30 2024
    You are mixed up... Republicans are making it harder to cheat and easier to vote.

    I would have no problem with that, but that is not the case.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 26 09:32:08 2024
    In 2020, I didn't really like Trump but voted for him because Joe Biden was >> > obviously having mental decline issues (which, guess what, the Democrats >> > finally admitted to)

    Did they?

    Yes, they certainly did.

    Joe Biden stepped down, it was a choice he made because he thought that was best for the party/country.

    Their donors did, too. That has been discussed here, including plenty of names and sources.

    Donations dried up, that might have played into Joe's decision making.

    You ignored them then and I am sure you'd ignore them now.

    I ignore bullshit.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 26 09:33:40 2024
    ALAN: Where you'd get that bar-b-q? Smells great.

    CO-WORKER: Down at the convention center.

    BBQ? Ol' Joe told me they were having a shooting gallery in there.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 26 12:19:56 2024
    ALAN: Where you'd get that bar-b-q? Smells great.

    CO-WORKER: Down at the convention center.

    Someone should make a Fidonet comic strip! It would be hilarious!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 26 12:33:40 2024
    Project 2025 is not fiction. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

    It's not policy, it's not a policy proposal from elected officials, it's not a policy proposal from political candidates. If it's not fiction then what is it then?

    Denial actually *is* a river in Egypt.

    The issue is that republicans are removing voters who are alive and wel

    I didn't know about that issue until now. How are they removing them?

    This is happening in Georgia and there are similar stories around the country.

    As shocking as it may seem to you, you're wrong, Al. There's a voter cancellation form that can be used to cancel your voter registration, but there's no "Republicans removing voters."

    https://sos.ga.gov/sites/default/files/2024-06/GA%20Voter%20Registration%20Canc ellation%20Form.pdf

    It's a smart thing to allow voters to cancel their voter registration. This helps prevent voter fraud. So far, nobody has complained about being removed against their will, so all this is just squawkery.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 26 12:28:04 2024
    It's not policy, it's not a policy proposal from elected officials, it's not a policy proposal from political candidates. If it's not fiction then what is it then?

    It is a policy proposal. It is not the first of it's kind from the heritage foundation but it is the latest targeted at 2025 as the title suggests.

    They have a database of some 20,000 vetted "conservatives" and "election deniers" ready for the next administration to replace existing govt empoyees and bureaucrats.

    Denial actually *is* a river in Egypt.

    You must be thinking of the Nile.

    This is happening in Georgia and there are similar stories around the
    country.

    As shocking as it may seem to you, you're wrong, Al. There's a voter cancellation form that can be used to cancel your voter registration, but there's no "Republicans removing voters."

    Yes, it is happening. Here's another link for you. These stories are all over the web. Look it up.

    https://tinyurl.com/2ccw2rza

    https://sos.ga.gov/sites/default/files/2024-06/GA%20Voter%20Registration%20Can
    ellation%20Form.pdf

    It's a smart thing to allow voters to cancel their voter registration. This helps prevent voter fraud. So far, nobody has complained about being removed against their will, so all this is just squawkery.

    Wesley Wilcox says it is happening. Look it up.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 26 15:42:08 2024

    You are mixed up... Republicans are making it harder to cheat and easier vote.

    I would have no problem with that, but that is not the case.


    This was a headline that cam across my feed...

    BREAKING: Texas Governor Greg Abbott Removes Over One Million Ineligible Voters, Including Nearly 500,000 Dead People and Thousands of Non-Citizen from State - Voter Rolls

    Democrats want to send out 100s of millions of ballots during election quarter. Sometimes people receive ballots for people who have moved away decades ago. They don't want to check ID or ask any questions about ballots received.

    Republicans simply say... Don't mail out ballots that are not requested. As someone to prove they are who they say they are. Verify they person who sent the ballot in is that person.

    If Trump gets in and he starts his mass deportation program... He should focus on the bad people... Rapist and murderers... and the people who illegally voted during Federal elections.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 26 17:12:30 2024
    In 2020, I didn't really like Trump but voted for him because Joe Biden was >> > obviously having mental decline issues (which, guess what, the Democrats >> > finally admitted to)

    Did they?

    Yes, they certainly did.

    Joe Biden stepped down, it was a choice he made because he thought that was best for the party/country.

    Their donors did, too. That has been discussed here, including plenty of names and sources.

    Donations dried up, that might have played into Joe's decision making.

    You ignored them then and I am sure you'd ignore them now.

    I ignore bullshit.

    (1) Language
    (2) in this case, as in most cases, you ignored facts.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Mon Aug 26 16:21:50 2024
    You are mixed up... Republicans are making it harder to cheat and easier >> > vote.

    I would have no problem with that, but that is not the case.

    This was a headline that cam across my feed...

    BREAKING: Texas Governor Greg Abbott Removes Over One Million Ineligible Voters,

    One million ineligible voters? Well, Texas is a big state!

    Including Nearly 500,000 Dead People

    That is reasonable, they won't be voting.

    and Thousands of Non-Citizen from State - Voter Rolls

    How did thousands on non citizens get on the voter rolls. They might have a problem in Texas.

    Republicans simply say... Don't mail out ballots that are not requested.

    That is the way mail in voting works here.

    If Trump gets in and he starts his mass deportation program... He should focus on the bad people... Rapist and murderers...

    I'm not sure there will be a mass deportation program unless project 2025 proves to be real and is actioned upon.

    There will need to be consideration for American law and possibly international law.

    and the people who illegally vote during Federal elections.

    That doesn't happen, and if it do you could arrest/deport those people now.

    As far as the story I was talking with Aaron about, I don't know if anything like that is happening in Texas, I haven't read or seen anything like that but I wouldn't be surprised.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 26 17:36:32 2024
    It is a policy proposal. It is not the first of it's kind from the heritage foundation but it is the latest targeted at 2025 as the title suggests.

    The Heritage Foundation can propose anything they want, but they have no authority in the US government.

    As shocking as it may seem to you, you're wrong, Al. There's a voter cancellation form that can be used to cancel your voter registration, bu there's no "Republicans removing voters."

    Yes, it is happening. Here's another link for you. These stories are all over the web. Look it up.

    Voters have always been allowed to cancel their voter registration, but now they can do it electronically. Since this website is brand new, it hasn't had a chance to be misused yet. Only extreme hypochondriacs can complain about it until after this year's election is over, because nobody is idiotic enough to contact the board of elections ahead of time to find out whether or not their voter registration has been cancelled.

    Wesley Wilcox says it is happening. Look it up.

    Wesley Wilcox has no authority in the state of Georgia. He's a Floridian.

    Leftists in the media are stirred because they know that it's going to be harder for Democrats to cheat in Georgia this year. And since the media people are stirred, their brainwashed followers are stirred also.

    https://tinyurl.com/2vv8b98j

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 26 17:47:36 2024
    The Heritage Foundation can propose anything they want, but they have no authority in the US government.

    Indeed, they have written Mandate for Leadership, without a mandate.

    Wesley Wilcox has no authority in the state of Georgia. He's a Floridian.

    It makes no difference where he lives. He is an election worker who was given a list of names, 2,500 of them for possible removal from the voter rolls. After looking at it he couldn't find a single valid challenge.

    True the vote looks like a scam.

    https://tinyurl.com/2vv8b98j

    If it looks like a duck..

    If it walks like a duck..

    If it quacks like a duck..

    It's a duck!

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Mon Aug 26 22:37:22 2024

    As far as the story I was talking with Aaron about, I don't know if anything like that is happening in Texas, I haven't read or seen
    anything like that but I wouldn't be surprised.


    Some of the Republican governors are not requesting the DMV to release information to see if there are any non-citizens registered to vote. Some AGs are not pressing criminal charges with people who have voted and shouldn't.

    I call to get my ballot... I have to give them my Florida State ID # or the last 4 digits of my Social... easy as pi It's not hard to do... Everyone has ID now a days... Cant get a job, can't get a phone... Can't go on welfare... can't drink beer.

    Sometimes elections are called with a few hundred votes. If dead people are voting it's not fare to the citizen casting their vote.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Tue Aug 27 00:33:00 2024
    Sometimes elections are called with a few hundred votes. If dead people are voting it's not fare to the citizen casting their vote.

    Dead people don't vote for reasons that are mostly obvious.

    There are very few cases were folks have voted twice, usually voting on behalf of a dead person and not enough to throw an election.

    When these people are found out there are generally consequences.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Aug 27 07:05:36 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    It's not policy, it's not a policy proposal from elected officials,
    it's not a policy proposal from political candidates. If it's not
    fiction then what is it then?

    But that's all these people can do: Push their false Narrative. They seem to think that if they repeat the lie enough times, it becomes true.

    being removed against their will, so all this is just squawkery.

    Just Alan doing what Alan does best.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Tue Aug 27 06:43:08 2024
    It's not policy, it's not a policy proposal from elected officials, it's not a policy proposal from political candidates. If it's not fiction then what is it then?

    But that's all these people can do: Push their false Narrative. They
    seem to think that if they repeat the lie enough times, it becomes true.

    That really does seem to be the case, not just with Alan, but with all leftists including Democrats and the media.

    There are God deniers who think that the power of prayer is just "repeating the same thing over and over until it becomes true," but they are mistaken. They're so mistaken that they think it will work for evil purposes, like to reinforce a lie, but it won't because prayers don't work that way.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Tue Aug 27 10:20:00 2024
    Kamala Harris Slayer Tulsi Gabbard Endorses President Trump Just Days After RFK Jr.

    I actually thought that she had already done that, but maybe not officially
    as I saw that headline also.

    If someone put me and my spouse on a air flight risk list just because I exercised my First Amendment rights (and said something they didn't like),
    I would be endorsing the other candidate, too.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Aug 27 09:39:00 2024
    The issue is that republicans are removing voters who are alive and well.

    I didn't know about that issue until now. How are they removing them?

    In most cases they are not. Here, they sent out letters informing people
    who'd not voted in a long time that they needed to update their address information with voter registration or they'd be removed. If they
    responded that they were still in the state, they were not removed. Yes, that was a Republican governor's administration.

    Our current Democrat governor, who was then the Democrat AG, fought them on
    it and got all the names added back... not just ones they sent letters to,
    but ones that had legit been removed before that time (which, BTW, would
    have been under a Democrat administration).

    As a result of the add-back, I started receiving a bunch of pro-Democrat political mailings for two previous residents of my address. These would
    be two people who I had not received any political mailings for before.
    One had moved *out-of-state* 10 years prior, and one had been deceased for
    *at least* 15 years.

    Most would think that is no problem but then 2020 and COVID happened. I received three official mailings informing "residents" how to request a
    mail-in ballot for the election. One for me, one for the non-resident, and
    one for the dead person. I mailed mine in. I wrote "MOVED OUT OF STATE IN 2009" on another and "DECEASED" on the third, and returned those to sender.

    I soon quit receiving any political mailings for either of them. Don't
    know if that means they were re-removed from the rolls, or if it just means that the Democrats put them on a DO NOT MAIL list.

    Now, here is how the DEMOCRATS used to do it here.

    If you did not vote for 4 consecutive years, they would send you a letter telling you that you *have been removed* -- note that is NOT will be
    removed, but have already been. They would also inform you that, in order
    to re-register, you would have to pay a fine.

    I don't know if they did that to Democrats, but they did it to Republicans.
    I had just turned 18 and was eager to exercise my new voting rights. A relative received that letter. I talked them into voting again. They
    found a way to get re-registered for free (at a registration drive) and
    started voting again.

    So any idea that *only* Republicans do such things is typical British
    Columbian Bologna.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Tue Aug 27 10:30:00 2024
    Republicans are to busy making it harder to vote and easier to cheat on elections to care in any way about the American people.

    You are mixed up... Republicans are making it harder to cheat and easier to vote.

    That depends on which Republicans we are talking about. My state SOS is
    doing just that. Others are indeed trying to make it more difficult
    by claiming that restriting voting to one day is somehow safer, and are
    trying to make it easier to cheat by claiming that hand-counted paper ballots are the only safe way to go.

    What is that old saying, "whoever counts the ballots..."?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Tue Aug 27 10:30:00 2024
    Republicans simply say... Don't mail out ballots that are not requested.

    That is the way mail in voting works here.

    That is the way it should work, too, but there are elected Democrat politicians in the US that claim not sending out ballots to people who *don't* request them is somehow wrong, and that they should be sent to everyone who is registered regardless of desire to receive one.

    Only sending them to people who request them is somehow a Republican
    conspiracy to prevent people from voting.

    If Trump gets in and he starts his mass deportation program... He should focus on the bad people... Rapist and murderers...

    I'm not sure there will be a mass deportation program unless project 2025 proves to be real and is actioned upon.

    Trump has indicated there will be deportations, independently of, and before the Project 2025 hogwash came to light.

    and the people who illegally vote during Federal elections.

    That doesn't happen, and if it do you could arrest/deport those people now.

    That does happen, and people do get prosecuted for it (if they get caught). They are not always Democrats, either, and they are often citizens (which
    means you cannot deport them).


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Tue Aug 27 10:30:00 2024
    Dead people don't vote for reasons that are mostly obvious.

    There have been cases over the years where votes were cast on behalf of
    dead people who were still on the register.

    Same thing with taxes. Fraudsters steal the SSNs and personal info of dead people so they can try to get individual income tax refunds from the IRS
    and state/local governments. Since we are in the days of direct deposits, these refund requests don't even have to have valid mailing address or come from persons who reside in the United States.

    Personal information is sold on the dark web, often for high prices, just
    for these purposes... as well as health insurance fraud and several other
    types of fraud.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Tue Aug 27 10:23:00 2024
    On 27 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...


    Dead people don't vote for reasons that are mostly obvious.

    There are very few cases were folks have voted twice, usually voting on behalf of a dead person and not enough to throw an election.

    When these people are found out there are generally consequences.


    I don't know if your understanding on this is intentional or... Whatever...
    It maybe a recessive gene that runs in your family.

    In the registered voters there are about 3% of those registered should not be registered. There are a few reasons behind this. Voters are dead, have moved or are not citizens among some of the reasons.

    Florida has issues with snowbirds voting twice... People live in New York 6 months out of the year and Florida 6 months out of the year. They register to vote in both places and cast ballots in both places.

    Florida checks for this and deals with it. I guess it's not uncommon.

    Headline....

    NPR
    Study: 1.8 Million Dead People Still Registered To Vote

    Others say...

    Half of the votes for Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election are from dead people.

    And it's odd that all these dead people seem to vote Democrat...

    If the democrats want fair elections based on policies and whatever they wouldn't fight tooth and nail to cheat.

    Republicans fight to clean the voter roles...

    I share with you what Texas did in the past week eliminating over 1 million registered voters, recall the headline

    BREAKING: Texas Governor Greg Abbott Removes Over One Million Ineligible Voters, Including Nearly 500,000 Dead People and Thousands of Non-Citizen from State’s Voter Rolls

    Thank God for Republicans.... Louisiana Governor

    Gov. Jeff Landry Signs New Executive Order Forcing Louisiana,s DMV to Share Non-Citizen Data with Secretary of State Also Mandates Citizenship Notice for Voter Registration

    The Democrats fight this all the time...

    Headline
    You Can't Make This Up: DNC Sues Georgia Election Board for Ensuring Every Vote Reflects the True Will of the People

    Democrats want to mail 100's of millions of blank ballots out to the public with no care taken at all. If you send in a ballot they don't want signatures verified or any proof at all that you are eligible to vote or that you are even alive.

    Recently we've had RFK Jr. walk away from the Democrat party citing Lawfare and other non-democratic behaviors trying to remove him from ballots and making it so he can't debate or even run as an Independent.

    Headline
    JUST IN: Democrats Panic After Wisconsin Supreme Court Rules Green Party Candidate Jill Stein Can Remain on Ballot in Crucial Swing State

    Democrats tried to remove Jill from the ballot in Wisconsin... Why?? because she'll take away votes from the Democrats.... This is democracy??

    Recently Tulsi Gabbard, who ran for President in the 2020 election cycle has left the Democrats to become an Independent and has now endorsed Trump... Citing the Democrats dirty tricks and shift in parties core beliefs.

    RFK Jr., whose last name is synonymous with the Democrat party, says there are more high profile Independent & Democrats that are going to make the shift because this is... messed up.

    You ignore reality and facts... And I have put too much effort into someone like you.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 27 10:32:24 2024
    On 27 Aug 2024, Mike Powell said the following...


    I actually thought that she had already done that, but maybe not officially as I saw that headline also.

    If someone put me and my spouse on a air flight risk list just because I exercised my First Amendment rights (and said something they didn't
    like), I would be endorsing the other candidate, too.


    It wasn't "Official"... Trump is a mastermind... They put put out hints that RFK was thinking of Endorsing Trump on Monday... the beginning of the DNC... and them make it official on Friday, the day after the DNC... Everyone is talking about Trump and RFK and not Kamala and what's his name.

    A few days later... Trump visits Arlington, and other places, to commemorate the 3rd anniversary of the botched Afghanistan withdrawal... And Tulsi endorses him... Kamala MIA and Biden is on the beach again.

    RFK says there is more high profile Dems and Independence on there way to endorse Trump.

    Get your popcorn, it's about to get exciting.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 27 11:17:56 2024
    On 27 Aug 2024, Mike Powell said the following...


    That depends on which Republicans we are talking about. My state SOS is doing just that. Others are indeed trying to make it more difficult
    by claiming that restriting voting to one day is somehow safer, and are trying to make it easier to cheat by claiming that hand-counted paper ballots are the only safe way to go.


    There needs to be stiff penalties for cheating. I'm on the fence about some of this...

    Back in the day... Voting was held on Tuesday.... The reason for this was because people went to church on Sunday... Some of y'all need to find Jesus... And then they had 2 days by horse or walking to get to the poling stations to vote... 2 days by horse...

    Fun fact... the first people that voted were land owners only. It was argued that if you didn't have any skin in the game you couldn't vote.

    Republicans, after kicking the Democrats ass during the civil war, added the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments... Giving the slaves their freedom, citizenship and the right to vote. 100s of thousands of people died...they say ~600K but it is more like 900K... they lost count, bodies floated down stream and whatever.

    Laster in the 1900 with the suffrage movement women got the right to vote....

    Back to 2024.... 100s of thousands of people died... People rallied behind causes... Womans Suffrage... Huge prices paid.

    Get the F%$K out and vote you puss as bitches.

    I'm okay with it not being a "day"... it's okay to be 3 or 4 days...

    Voter rolls need to be clean and if you are a non-citizen and voted you need to be deported.

    Paper ballots, chain of custody. Hand counted. Equal representation... Fully transparent and a platform to contest the election if there is fraud.

    It doesn't have to be election 3 months... and in the Democrat states they are still counting ballots that come in in December...

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 27 12:57:26 2024
    I didn't know about that issue until now. How are they removing them?

    In most cases they are not. Here, they sent out letters informing people who'd not voted in a long time that they needed to update their address information with voter registration or they'd be removed. If they responded that they were still in the state, they were not removed.
    Yes, that was a Republican governor's administration.

    That's not bad! I never cancelled my voter registration in New Mexico when I moved to New York. Surely some Democrat in New Mexico is harvesting that apple.

    Now, here is how the DEMOCRATS used to do it here.

    If you did not vote for 4 consecutive years, they would send you a letter telling you that you *have been removed* -- note that is NOT will be removed, but have already been. They would also inform you that, in
    order to re-register, you would have to pay a fine.

    That's funny! "Pay us money if you ever want to vote again! Sincerely, the Democrats." :)

    So any idea that *only* Republicans do such things is typical British Columbian Bologna.

    He's got a lot of ridiculous propaganda dancing around in his head. I just hope he doesn't get caught up in any riots because they're looking for guys like him.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 27 21:34:12 2024
    Only sending them to people who request them is somehow a Republican conspiracy to prevent people from voting.

    I don't see any conspiracy here.

    I think it should be easy to vote at the ballot box or ny mail in vote.

    Trump has indicated there will be deportations, independently of, and before the Project 2025 hogwash came to light.

    There are deportations already. I read that the Biden admin has deported more people at the border than the Trump admin did.

    I don't watch the border. I'm not sure how true hat is.

    Project 2025 is hardly hogwash.

    That doesn't happen, and if it do you could arrest/deport those people now.

    That does happen, and people do get prosecuted for it (if they get caught).

    It's doesn't happen on a large scale.

    They are not always Democrats,

    Indeed, it is usually republicans.

    either, and they are often citizens (which means you cannot deport them).

    Then they are not illegals.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 27 21:37:32 2024
    Dead people don't vote for reasons that are mostly obvious.

    There have been cases over the years where votes were cast on behalf of
    dead people who were still on the register.

    Yes, I have seen these stories.

    That's why it is important the people who have passed are removed from the voter rolls as IB Joe was saying is happening or has happened in texas.

    It is just as important that the living are not removed as long as they are legitimate voters.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Tue Aug 27 21:53:08 2024
    When these people are found out there are generally consequences.

    I don't know if your understanding on this is intentional or... Whatever... It maybe a recessive gene that runs in your family.

    I don't know what part of..

    "When these people are found out there are generally consequences".

    is giving you trouble.

    In the registered voters there are about 3% of those registered should not be registered. There are a few reasons behind this. Voters are dead,

    All good, if these voters have passed on go ahead and remove them.

    have moved

    Yes, these voters need to arrange their voter registration.

    or are not citizens among some of the reasons.

    If they are not citizens they should not be registered to vote at all.

    This could be an issue, how does a non citizen get registered to vote in the first place? There is an error here that needs fixing.

    Florida has issues with snowbirds voting twice... People live in New York 6 months out of the year and Florida 6 months out of the year. They register to vote in both places and cast ballots in both places.

    That is a violation. Snow birds need to vote where they live.

    Florida checks for this and deals with it.

    As they should.

    I guess it's not uncommon.

    Some snowbirds may have good reason to vote locally in Florida and New York at different times.

    If they are voting twice in a federal election I assume there are remedies in the law.

    Half of the votes for Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election are from dead people.

    I think it safe to stop there.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 28 11:53:02 2024
    Alan Ianson -> IB Joe skrev 2024-08-28 06:53:
    Half of the votes for Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election are
    from dead people.

    I think it safe to stop there.

    Just as it started to become interesting?

    I mean, 40 million dead people? Without people noticing more than 138 (if I remember correctly), the vast majority being votes for Trump?

    --

    To paraphrase former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura:

    I'm 76 years old now, so the window is closing. I want to be alive to see the first woman President of the United States of America.

    ..

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Wed Aug 28 07:13:10 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    You ignore reality and facts... And I have put too much effort into someone like you.

    Which is why I long ago stopped responding to the Ignorant Elitists.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 28 07:32:40 2024
    Project 2025 is hardly hogwash.

    Next time you come to the states, tell people that you're scared to death of Project 2025. They will help keep you safe from it.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 28 08:47:18 2024
    On 27 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...



    I don't know what part of..

    "When these people are found out there are generally consequences".

    is giving you trouble.


    Generally, no consequences... The constitution says that each state controls the time, place and manner of their elections. There are states that are blue and some are read. The elections seem to come down to a handful of swing states, also known as battle ground states.

    The Democrats and their lawyers focus on those handful of states. If a states says, like Texas just did, we're going to clean our voter rolls up and ask people to prove their legibility to vote.... The Democrats sue the state... Talking about White Supremacy, Voter intimidation... Voter Suppression, Bla Bla Bla... Minorities can't show ID, or say the last 4 digits of their Social...

    Everything the Democrats fight for have nothing to do with voter rights and everything to do with them keeping their power.

    BTW, this is the first time the Republicans are fighting back... They have hired 1000s and 1000s of lawyers to fight the Democrats at their game.


    All good, if these voters have passed on go ahead and remove them.


    And when the Republicans try they are sued by the Democrats. There are dead people voting, and they always seem to vote Democrat, for decades and decades. I was not joking... Some voter rolls have names in there dating back to the Civil War.


    have moved

    Yes, these voters need to arrange their voter registration.


    And when the Republicans do... They are sued by the Democrats... The White Supremacy... Racist this or that argument...


    or are not citizens among some of the reasons.

    If they are not citizens they should not be registered to vote at all.

    This could be an issue, how does a non citizen get registered to vote in the first place? There is an error here that needs fixing.


    Headline...
    :Start
    Gov. Jeff Landry Signs New Executive Order Forcing Louisiana's DMV to Share Non-Citizen Data with Secretary of State - Also Mandates Citizenship Notice for Voter Registration
    :Stop

    Well... What the Democrats do is Register people at the DMV and other places and get them to register with little or no regard as to their citizenship.

    SOS in each state are in charge of their state elections.... Headline as I was typing this....

    :Start
    THE FIX IS IN! MI Dem SOS Benson Makes THREATENING Video Warning Election Officials Not To Question The Next Cheat... If You Don't Certify The Election Results... "We will come for you!" (VIDEO)
    :Stop

    Fox News interview with Laura Trump. Laura says... and it wasn't refuted.. :Start
    Lara Trump Reveals Only 50 of 700 GOP Poll Watchers Accepted in Detroit While Over 2,300 Democrats Were Allowed
    :Stop

    Election are to be free and fair and transparent. All interested parties are to have equal representation. If there are 2300 Democrat poll watchers there needs to be 2300 Republican.

    Does this sound transparent to you...


    Half of the votes for Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election are fr dead people.

    I think it safe to stop there.


    No... Not until they fix the elections in the US. If the citizens want to go Communism so be it. Present your ideas and let the voters decide.

    When voter fraud was pointed out. There were family members looked up if their sick parents in nursing homes voted.... AND if you don't know you can do this. If you know SOME information on me you can see if I voted.

    These kids found that their parents voted in the 2020 election... Parents don't even know who they are never mind Joe Biden... Ballot harvesting to blame. Head nurse caught being a Democrat operative and she was fired.

    I won't stop until the system is fixed

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Wed Aug 28 08:48:32 2024
    On 28 Aug 2024, Ron L. said the following...

    Which is why I long ago stopped responding to the Ignorant Elitists.


    Do you know what burns my ass.... A flame about - that high.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 28 08:49:10 2024
    On 28 Aug 2024, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Next time you come to the states, tell people that you're scared to
    death of Project 2025. They will help keep you safe from it.


    Hopefully with a gun!!!

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    ... Unzip... expand... What kind of pervert came up with this?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Wed Aug 28 09:52:00 2024
    Get the F%$K out and vote

    That goes back to something that (I think) I posted yesterday. The gap in
    the sexes amoung US youth is growing at a rate not seen before between
    young men and young women. Young men are trending much more Republican
    than in a long time, but that group - young men - are also some of the
    least likely to vote.

    One would hope that is because, in past, they were trending more Democrat
    but were just not motivated to vote for the Democrat candidates. I have a feeling that is not the only reason, though, and that whether or not they
    turn out to vote in 2024 could be what determines the election.

    There are a lot of social media campaigns to get young women out to vote Democrat, and that demographic seems very motivated to do so. If the young
    men don't also get out to vote, that would be a big part of a Kamala path to victory.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Aug 28 09:59:00 2024
    In most cases they are not. Here, they sent out letters informing people
    who'd not voted in a long time that they needed to update their address information with voter registration or they'd be removed. If they responded that they were still in the state, they were not removed.
    Yes, that was a Republican governor's administration.

    That's not bad! I never cancelled my voter registration in New Mexico when I moved to New York. Surely some Democrat in New Mexico is harvesting that apple

    I didn't see anything wrong with how they did it. If you left a forwarding address, your mail would get forwarded. If you'd been moved too long and
    the forward order expired, IMHO that is on you for not fixing it (and, in
    this state, that would mean you also likely didn't change your driver's
    license to reflect your new address, which is *illegal*).

    Now, here is how the DEMOCRATS used to do it here.

    If you did not vote for 4 consecutive years, they would send you a letter
    telling you that you *have been removed* -- note that is NOT will be removed, but have already been. They would also inform you that, in order to re-register, you would have to pay a fine.

    That's funny! "Pay us money if you ever want to vote again! Sincerely, the Democrats." :)

    Well, it technically would have come from "the state" but, back then, the Democrats controlled the governorship, both houses of the legislature, and likely both the AG and SoS offices.

    Times have changed here, and fast.

    So any idea that *only* Republicans do such things is typical British Columbian Bologna.

    He's got a lot of ridiculous propaganda dancing around in his head. I just hop
    he doesn't get caught up in any riots because they're looking for guys like him.

    I don't think he'd do that. I do remember, though, that he claimed in
    several messages that "antifa doesn't exist" while claiming in at least one other that he knew a couple of younger people who were in "a group" that
    was involved in a lot of protesting in the NW and he was worried for their safety.

    I do often wonder where he gets his news. There is stuff that shows up in
    the mainstream media that he seems unaware of, and also unwilling to accept when provided the evidence that it was indeed reported on by multiple
    sources.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Wed Aug 28 10:02:00 2024
    Only sending them to people who request them is somehow a Republican conspiracy to prevent people from voting.

    I don't see any conspiracy here.

    I don't see one, either, but that is the claim in areas that send them to people who don't request them.

    Trump has indicated there will be deportations, independently of, and before
    the Project 2025 hogwash came to light.

    There are deportations already. I read that the Biden admin has deported more people at the border than the Trump admin did.

    I don't watch the border. I'm not sure how true hat is.

    Project 2025 is hardly hogwash.

    Believing that if Trump deports people, then he is following Project 2025
    and not his own promises *is* hogwash, especially if you also admit to knowing that Biden has also been deporting people. Does that mean Biden is following Project 2025 now, too?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Wed Aug 28 10:07:00 2024
    Dead people don't vote for reasons that are mostly obvious.

    There have been cases over the years where votes were cast on behalf of dead people who were still on the register.

    Yes, I have seen these stories.

    That's why it is important the people who have passed are removed from the voter rolls as IB Joe was saying is happening or has happened in texas.

    Projects to remove deceased (and moved away) voters are often blocked by Democrats. Sometime during 2016-19, our current governor was the state AG
    and he did just that when he sucessfully blocked a project to remove the deceased and moved-away. As a result, deceased voters got added back to
    the rolls.

    It is just as important that the living are not removed as long as they are legitimate voters.

    In the example above, the project AG Bashear blocked was attempting to
    notify voters, before removing them, that they needed to update their information. He blocked it anyway even though, in past, the state (under Democrat control) had removed people *before* notifying them.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Wed Aug 28 10:18:00 2024
    Headline
    JUST IN: Democrats Panic After Wisconsin Supreme Court Rules Green Party Candidate Jill Stein Can Remain on Ballot in Crucial Swing State

    Democrats tried to remove Jill from the ballot in Wisconsin... Why?? because she'll take away votes from the Democrats.... This is democracy??

    The sad thing is that the Democrats were also the ones fighting to keep RFK
    Jr off the ballot in several states, even though he was predicted to take
    more votes away from Trump than the Democrats.

    I have a difficult time believing them when they claim to stand for
    Democracy when they turn around and do things like this.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 28 09:32:22 2024
    Project 2025 is hardly hogwash.

    Next time you come to the states, tell people that you're scared to death of Project 2025. They will help keep you safe from it.

    Good information, as always.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Wed Aug 28 09:33:32 2024
    I don't know what part of..

    "When these people are found out there are generally consequences".

    is giving you trouble.


    Generally, no consequences...

    Really!?

    I think it's safe to stop there.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 28 09:39:46 2024
    Project 2025 is hardly hogwash.

    Believing that if Trump deports people, then he is following Project 2025
    and not his own promises *is* hogwash,

    Oh, I believe Trump when he says he is going to do a mass deportation.

    Trump would/will do that regardless of project 2025.

    especially if you also admit to knowing that Biden has also been deporting people. Does that mean Biden is following Project 2025 now, too?

    No, Biden is deporting illegals/undesirables.

    Do you like that when Trump does it but not when Biden does it?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 28 09:46:34 2024
    Projects to remove deceased (and moved away) voters are often blocked by Democrats.

    That is regular maintenance, or at least it should be.

    Sometime during 2016-19, our current governor was the state AG
    and he did just that when he sucessfully blocked a project to remove the deceased and moved-away. As a result, deceased voters got added back to
    the rolls.

    The republican party has a long record of removing the living from the voter rolls. They don't seem to want (some) people voting.

    It is just as important that the living are not removed as long as they are >> legitimate voters.

    In the example above, the project AG Bashear blocked was attempting to
    notify voters, before removing them, that they needed to update their information. He blocked it anyway even though, in past, the state (under Democrat control) had removed people *before* notifying them.

    There is no need to notify dead people, go ahead and remove them.

    It is OK to keep addresses and what not current, but living voters should not be removed.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 28 12:26:22 2024
    he doesn't get caught up in any riots because they're looking for guys l him.

    I don't think he'd do that. I do remember, though, that he claimed in several messages that "antifa doesn't exist" while claiming in at least one other that he knew a couple of younger people who were in "a group" that was involved in a lot of protesting in the NW and he was worried
    for their safety.

    I do often wonder where he gets his news. There is stuff that shows up
    in the mainstream media that he seems unaware of, and also unwilling to accept when provided the evidence that it was indeed reported on by multiple sources.

    I have a suspicion that he (and some other weird Fidonet guys) have a sick obsession with Janis K, the leftie gal. They went berserk when she announced that she was retiring from "The Fido Gazette." Grown men, some in their 70s, were hurling insults at one another at first until the dust settled and good ol Sean took over as "publisher" of that "highly important publication."

    Q: What's an easy way to win the heart of a political lady?
    A: Blindly support her political party on a platform where she'll see it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 28 12:33:02 2024
    The republican party has a long record of removing the living from the voter rolls. They don't seem to want (some) people voting.

    How long is "long?" When and where did this happen? And which Republican(s) were involved?

    Or did the reporter you're parroting forget to give you those details?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 28 12:02:12 2024
    The republican party has a long record of removing the living from the
    voter rolls. They don't seem to want (some) people voting.

    How long is "long?" When and where did this happen? And which Republican(s) were involved?

    A very long time. You never noticed?

    I understand the AG (I think you know him) in Texas has been raiding Latino civil rights organizations. It's beeing called voter intimidation.

    I could go on.

    Or did the reporter you're parroting forget to give you those details?

    Where's Hanibal!

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 28 13:32:12 2024
    On 28 Aug 2024, Mike Powell said the following...


    That goes back to something that (I think) I posted yesterday. The gap
    in the sexes amoung US youth is growing at a rate not seen before between young men and young women. Young men are trending much more Republican than in a long time, but that group - young men - are also some of the least likely to vote.

    One would hope that is because, in past, they were trending more Democrat but were just not motivated to vote for the Democrat candidates. I have
    a feeling that is not the only reason, though, and that whether or not they turn out to vote in 2024 could be what determines the election.

    There are a lot of social media campaigns to get young women out to vote Democrat, and that demographic seems very motivated to do so. If the young men don't also get out to vote, that would be a big part of a
    Kamala path to victory.


    I'm not sure, but I do think the "general" public are catching on. For the Blue Haired crowed they are all in. But for the regular folk... they are seeing things the way they are.

    Early voting in some states start soon... first week or so in September... This is why I think early early voting is stupid. If you don't follow politics enough and you pull the lever for Kamala before you found out what she's truly about... your loss.

    What they are doing with her is calculated. If Trump does a good job at the debate I'm sure it will end her political career.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 28 14:05:28 2024
    On 28 Aug 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

    The sad thing is that the Democrats were also the ones fighting to keep RFK Jr off the ballot in several states, even though he was predicted to take more votes away from Trump than the Democrats.

    I have a difficult time believing them when they claim to stand for Democracy when they turn around and do things like this.


    So the story goes... He was affecting Trump negatively in the swing states and affecting Kamala negatively in the Blue states.

    So they figtht to get him off the ticket in California and keep him on in Michigan.

    Smacks of democracy... No none of RFK Jr's family are talking to hime... There is soooooooooooooooo much love on the left.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 28 14:23:26 2024
    I understand the AG (I think you know him) in Texas has been raiding Latino civil rights organizations. It's beeing called voter intimidation.

    No. People in the states typically only pay attention to their own state. I realize that we express curiosity about other states a lot in this echo, but ask anyone if they really care what happens in other states besides the one that they live in, and they'll probably say "no."

    I could squawk all day about California, but nah, it's somebody else's problem.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 28 16:01:00 2024
    I understand the AG (I think you know him) in Texas has been raiding
    Latino civil rights organizations. It's beeing called voter intimidation.

    No.

    Paxton. That cat has (more than) nine lives.

    He could make DJT blush.

    I could squawk all day about California, but nah, it's somebody else's problem.

    California has it's problems as every state does to one degree or another but it is also highly successful.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 28 19:15:06 2024
    I could squawk all day about California, but nah, it's somebody else's problem.

    California has it's problems as every state does to one degree or
    another but it is also highly successful.

    What do you mean by successful? The media has been reporting a lot of businesses leaving California.

    But of course that might be just a bunch of lies, and maybe businesses are not leaving California. It's hard to know for sure what's happening in a state without living in it, very, very hard to know.

    But not everyone has the same definition of every word. Would "successful" describe a state losing it's businesses to other states? Someone wishing for socialism or for the bringing down of a country might call that "success."

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 28 22:02:30 2024
    California has it's problems as every state does to one degree or
    another but it is also highly successful.

    Some businesses are leaving California for tax and regulation reasons.

    I'm not sure I'd call that a model of success. We've seen what a loss of regulations did in Texas.

    What do you mean by successful? The media has been reporting a lot of businesses leaving California.

    California was at one time the fifth largest economy in the world, heading for fourth although that is old, I dunno if that is true today but I would call California a success with all that comes with it.

    But of course that might be just a bunch of lies, and maybe businesses are not leaving California. It's hard to know for sure what's happening in a state without living in it, very, very hard to know.

    That is not a lie but it does not tell the whole story.

    But not everyone has the same definition of every word. Would "successful" describe a state losing it's businesses to other states? Someone wishing for socialism or for the bringing down of a country might call that "success."

    I understand that "Socialist" is Donald Trumps favorite word but California is not a socialist state and nor has California done anything like "bringing down a country".

    I can think of others when you say bring down a country, but it is not California.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Thu Aug 29 07:43:58 2024
    California has it's problems as every state does to one degree or
    another but it is also highly successful.

    Some businesses are leaving California for tax and regulation reasons.

    I get it. California used to have a successful economy. My state used to have one too. Businesses are definitely leaving my state, and the media suggests that it's due to high taxes, but I honestly have no clue. But if that were true, then I suppose I'd be glad to have a president willing to reduce taxes for corporations.

    I understand that "Socialist" is Donald Trumps favorite word but California is not a socialist state and nor has California done anything like "bringing down a country".

    Some people think of it as a bad word, but I don't. It's just an economic system that in some cases benefits people equally. Some would argue that Canada is a socialist state because of the free health care for all, but obviously not everything in Canada functions in a socialist way; you still have private businesses and people are still allowed to get rich by working hard. I would hate to see that change in my country or in yours.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thu Aug 29 10:20:00 2024
    Project 2025 is hardly hogwash.

    Believing that if Trump deports people, then he is following Project 2025 and not his own promises *is* hogwash,

    Oh, I believe Trump when he says he is going to do a mass deportation.

    Trump would/will do that regardless of project 2025.

    That was my logic. Yours was "if Trump does a mass deporation, it is a
    sign he is following Project 2025."

    Otherwise, I would never have bothered to respond.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thu Aug 29 11:14:00 2024
    Projects to remove deceased (and moved away) voters are often blocked by Democrats.

    That is regular maintenance, or at least it should be.

    They should be but Democrats don't like them so they usually are not.

    In the example above, the project AG Bashear blocked was attempting to notify voters, before removing them, that they needed to update their information. He blocked it anyway even though, in past, the state (under Democrat control) had removed people *before* notifying them.

    There is no need to notify dead people, go ahead and remove them.

    It is OK to keep addresses and what not current, but living voters should not be removed.

    In the USA, if a voter MOVES they are REQUIRED to re-register because they
    are likely no longer in the same district, and especially if they move out-of-state. If they do not re-register, it is not the government's fault
    but their own fault for not following directions.

    Voting in a district that is not your own is *ILLEGAL*. The only way you
    can do so legally is if you notify the poll workers so they can give you a
    very restricted ballot where the only race you can vote in is for
    President -- and that may not be legal in every state.

    That is why it is important to attempt to notify and remove people who
    might still be alive but who have stopped voting for a specified period.
    They could be dead, they could be moved-away, or they could just not be exercising their rights. Notification allows them to verify that they are still where they say they are and still want to remain registered.

    If people followed the reqirements to re-register, there'd be no need for any of that.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Aug 29 10:34:00 2024
    I do often wonder where he gets his news. There is stuff that shows up in the mainstream media that he seems unaware of, and also unwilling to accept when provided the evidence that it was indeed reported on by multiple sources.

    I have a suspicion that he (and some other weird Fidonet guys) have a sick obsession with Janis K, the leftie gal. They went berserk when she announced that she was retiring from "The Fido Gazette." Grown men, some in their 70s, were hurling insults at one another at first until the dust settled and good o
    Sean took over as "publisher" of that "highly important publication."

    I was around then. Ironically, some of the most left leaning "guys" that participate in this echo always had some sort of weird obsession with her.
    I say ironic because, despite potentially sharing political views, they
    were always very nasty towards her whenever I saw them interact in a public echo. I would say sexist, even, which considering their left lean was also part of the irony.

    I never had a problem with her. She was always nice to me. She has been back on the network but, to my knowledge, is not hubbing any more.

    I am not real sure what the connection between Janis leaving and Alan apparently not following the news is, though. I don't really remember
    anyone going berserk other than some folks who had trouble finding a new
    feed, or that found out their local/regional hub was on autopilot and their mail dried up.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Thu Aug 29 10:42:00 2024
    Early voting in some states start soon... first week or so in September... Thi
    is why I think early early voting is stupid. If you don't follow politics enough and you pull the lever for Kamala before you found out what she's truly
    about... your loss.

    I don't think early voting is stupid, but allowing it to start this early
    is. In Kentucky, "early voting" means "in person" and the polls are open the Friday and Saturday immediately before election Tuesday. By then, all the debates should be over, all of the "October surprises" are out of the way, and everyone should already know who they are voting for.

    Letting them start in September, before the current candidates' first debate, is just wrong.

    What they are doing with her is calculated. If Trump does a good job at the debate I'm sure it will end her political career.

    Don't know about end it, but I doubt she will be running for President
    again.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thu Aug 29 11:15:00 2024
    I understand the AG (I think you know him) in Texas has been raiding Latino civil rights organizations. It's beeing called voter intimidation.

    Link?

    BTW, if they are raiding these organizations because there are illegal residents working there, or because they are seizing records of illegal residents, it cannot be *voter* intimidation.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thu Aug 29 11:17:00 2024
    I understand that "Socialist" is Donald Trumps favorite word but California is not a socialist state and nor has California done anything like "bringing down a country".

    Law enforcement in California... the LA area especially but not only... has
    not done a good job at all keeping theives from targeting rail shipments.
    It has become so bad that the rail companies are moving their intermodal
    yards far away from the cities they are currently near.

    So if a shipment comes into Long Beach destined for Los Angeles, the train carrying it won't stop until it is out in the desert somewhere, well
    outsite of the LA area. The cargo will then be shipped back into Los Angeles.

    You may need to look at that on a map to understand it.

    Customers around the country have lost a lot of money because California doesn't care about theft. As busy as the Port of Long Beach is, if the
    rail companies didn't do something about it on their own, California could
    very easily bring down the country. As is, they are contributing to the inflation we are all experiencing.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 29 15:30:56 2024
    Some businesses are leaving California for tax and regulation reasons.

    I get it. California used to have a successful economy.

    That is a lie. California and New York both have successful econimies.

    I think it's safe to stop there.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Thu Aug 29 15:32:48 2024
    Trump would/will do that regardless of project 2025.

    That was my logic. Yours was "if Trump does a mass deporation, it is a
    sign he is following Project 2025."

    Trump would/will implement much of project 2025 as well.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Thu Aug 29 15:35:36 2024
    There is no need to notify dead people, go ahead and remove them.

    It is OK to keep addresses and what not current, but living voters should not >> be removed.

    In the USA, if a voter MOVES they are REQUIRED to re-register because they are likely no longer in the same district, and especially if they move out-of-state. If they do not re-register, it is not the government's fault but their own fault for not following directions.

    That is all well and good.

    However what is happening is folks who have not moved or changed much of anything being removed.

    That is the issue.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Thu Aug 29 15:40:34 2024
    I understand the AG (I think you know him) in Texas has been raiding Latino >> civil rights organizations. It's beeing called voter intimidation.

    Link?

    Are you having trouble finding info. Here, let me help.

    https://tinyurl.com/mr2vee84

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Thu Aug 29 15:44:10 2024
    Law enforcement in California... the LA area especially but not only... has not done a good job at all keeping theives from targeting rail shipments.
    It has become so bad that the rail companies are moving their intermodal yards far away from the cities they are currently near.

    Maybe the the rail companies need to secure their operations and work with law w enfocement when needed.

    Law enforcement is not the problem here.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Thu Aug 29 20:23:40 2024
    Some businesses are leaving California for tax and regulation reasons.

    I get it. California used to have a successful economy.

    That is a lie. California and New York both have successful econimies.

    I think it's safe to stop there.

    I don't know. Is this enough to appease the leftist gods? They might want you to take these false claims to the next level.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Thu Aug 29 20:24:48 2024
    In the USA, if a voter MOVES they are REQUIRED to re-register because th are likely no longer in the same district, and especially if they move out-of-state. If they do not re-register, it is not the government's fa but their own fault for not following directions.

    That is all well and good.

    However what is happening is folks who have not moved or changed much of anything being removed.

    Tell us their names.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 29 20:26:10 2024
    I don't know. Is this enough to appease the leftist gods? They might want you to take these false claims to the next level.

    I have no gods, left or right.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 29 20:33:34 2024
    However what is happening is folks who have not moved or changed much of
    anything being removed.

    Tell us their names.

    You want me to tell you their names!?

    I'll tell you one. Daniel Moss. His place on the voter roll was challenged as ineligible by a group called free the vote.

    His name and thousands of others.

    Do a little reaserch, would ya?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKFALtjiS_8&t=27s

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 30 07:29:29 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    I get it. California used to have a successful economy. My state used
    to have one too. Businesses are definitely leaving my state, and the
    media suggests that it's due to high taxes, but I honestly have no
    clue.

    It's due to Ignorant Elitist policies that are well-known to be failures. High taxes being part of those policies.

    Some people think of it as a bad word, but I don't. It's just an
    economic system that in some cases benefits people equally.

    Socialism has **never** benefited people equally. It claims to do so, but never does. The end result is **always** an Elite class that lives in luxury and a non-elite class that lives in poverty.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 30 06:03:30 2024
    However what is happening is folks who have not moved or changed much o >> anything being removed.

    Tell us their names.

    You want me to tell you their names!?

    I'll tell you one. Daniel Moss. His place on the voter roll was
    challenged as ineligible by a group called free the vote.

    His name and thousands of others.

    Do a little reaserch, would ya?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKFALtjiS_8&t=27s

    There's a good reason why you can only tell me 1 name, and that's because this ridiculous CNN "report" only tells 1 name. You're falling for BS. BS is slippery when it's fresh, but by the end of the day it dries up and no longer poses a slip hazard.

    There are times when videos show evidence of things, but this video shows no evidence of anything. If you were a court judge, there would be major protests outside your courtroom on a daily basis. They'd call you "Judge BS."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Fri Aug 30 06:10:14 2024
    Some people think of it as a bad word, but I don't. It's just an economic system that in some cases benefits people equally.

    Socialism has **never** benefited people equally. It claims to do so,
    but never does. The end result is **always** an Elite class that lives
    in luxury and a non-elite class that lives in poverty.

    I agree, but the working class can consider themselves to be "equal." Equally getting the short end of the stick.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 30 08:27:32 2024
    There's a good reason why you can only tell me 1 name,

    Why should I give you any names?

    and that's because this ridiculous CNN "report" only tells 1 name. You're falling for BS. BS is slippery when it's fresh, but by the end of the day it dries up and no longer poses a slip hazard.

    There never was a slip hazard. It was a well presented report, full of good information about election denialism in the USA today.

    There are times when videos show evidence of things, but this video shows no evidence of anything. If you were a court judge, there would be major protests outside your courtroom on a daily basis. They'd call you "Judge BS."

    No one is giving evidence, this is not court and there is no judge.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Aug 30 10:15:00 2024
    Trump would/will do that regardless of project 2025.

    That was my logic. Yours was "if Trump does a mass deporation, it is a sign he is following Project 2025."

    Trump would/will implement much of project 2025 as well.

    Some of it does line up with other things either Trump or the GOP have suggested in the past. Other parts seem to come out of far left field...
    or maybe that should be far RIGHT field... and I would be shocked if anyone with any fiscal sense would see them as good ideas.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Aug 30 10:17:00 2024
    Law enforcement in California... the LA area especially but not only... has not done a good job at all keeping theives from targeting rail shipments. It has become so bad that the rail companies are moving their intermodal yards far away from the cities they are currently near.

    Maybe the the rail companies need to secure their operations and work with law
    w enfocement when needed.

    Law enforcement is not the problem here.

    There is not a whole lot a private company (or citizen) can do if the local
    DAs won't prosecute the crimes. Taking the law into their own hands would
    be illegal.

    So I half-agree with you. Local LEOs may not be the problem, but the local
    DA offices sure are.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Fri Aug 30 10:29:00 2024
    Some people think of it as a bad word, but I don't. It's just an economic system that in some cases benefits people equally.

    Socialism has **never** benefited people equally. It claims to do so, but never does. The end result is **always** an Elite class that lives in luxury and a non-elite class that lives in poverty.

    In the USSR, they were called the nomenclatura. Not sure what China calls them. In the USSR, there were even certain makes/models of cars that were reserved for purchase by those who were nomenclatura and above.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 30 09:55:30 2024
    On 29 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...


    That is a lie. California and New York both have successful econimies.

    I think it's safe to stop there.


    No they don.... Both are failing... Both have people moving out of the state... Recently Elon moved all his California holding out of California to Texas... Chevron Oil is also moving from California. All complaining about regulations and high taxes... and poop on the street.... Ohhhh and Silvester Stallone... among many others are moving out as well. There are more people leaving California and moving in... The wealth is leaving.

    The same is happening in New York. Major financial firms are bugging out and moving to Texas, as did Elon, where there is no state income tax.


    I think it's safe to stop there.


    Don't tell me what to do...

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Fri Aug 30 11:04:22 2024
    Law enforcement is not the problem here.

    There is not a whole lot a private company (or citizen) can do if the local DAs won't prosecute the crimes.

    DA's can only be effective if they have evidence or witnesses to work with. Theives don't leave any of that behind if they can help it.

    Failing that DA's will not spend their time.

    Taking the law into their own hands would be illegal.

    I guess so.

    So I half-agree with you. Local LEOs may not be the problem, but the local DA offices sure are.

    If theives find a weakness they will exploit it. That is true in your local neighborhood as it is in the rail yards. Rail yards may be able to invest where needed to make that exploitation hard, or less valuable to thieves in their haul.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Fri Aug 30 11:18:34 2024
    That is a lie. California and New York both have successful econimies.

    I think it's safe to stop there.

    No they don.... Both are failing... Both have people moving out of the state..

    People move for various reasons. That doesn't mean the state has failed.

    Recently Elon moved all his California holding out of California to Texas...

    That is likely for "regulation reasons". Regulations are a good thing when they are about best practices. If companies would keep up best practises without regulations than regulations would not be needed.

    People or companies often let best practises slip for profitability reasons.

    I wouldn't by a car that was built in Texas for that reason.

    Chevron Oil is also moving from California. All complaining about regulations and high taxes...

    Regulations and taxes are not reason to complain.

    and poop on the street.... Ohhhh and Silvester Stallone... among many others are moving out as well.

    Tell Sylvester to take his poop with him.

    There are more people leaving California and moving in... The wealth is leaving.

    People come and go for many reasons.

    The same is happening in New York. Major financial firms are bugging out and moving to Texas, as did Elon, where there is no state income tax.

    True patriots!

    I think it's safe to stop there.

    Don't tell me what to do...

    I'm not telling you what to do. I said "I think it is safe to stop there". I said nothing about what you should or should not do.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 30 21:48:34 2024
    Alan Ianson -> IB Joe skrev 2024-08-30 20:18:
    Recently Elon moved all his California holding out of California to
    Texas...

    That is likely for "regulation reasons". Regulations are a good thing
    when they are about best practices. If companies would keep up best practises without regulations than regulations would not be needed.

    But in this case, it was all about space. Tesla had used every inch of the property in Fremont, CA, so they bought a new, much more spacious one in Austin, TX.

    Still keeping his extremely productive Fremont factory of course, so, no moving all anything involved. Just the HQ was relocated.

    I wish those MAGA idiots would sometime learn about factchecking.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Bj÷rn Felten on Sat Aug 31 02:52:34 2024
    I wish those MAGA idiots would sometime learn about factchecking.

    MAGA doesn't care about facts or truth.

    They just want signatures!

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sat Aug 31 07:57:12 2024
    On 30 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...


    People move for various reasons. That doesn't mean the state has failed.


    Put down the crack pipe...
    Headline...

    Foot Locker Flees New York's Crushing Taxes, Relocates Headquarters to Business-Friendly Florida

    This headline was yesterday just after I sent you a message yesterday.

    Several companies are leaving/left California and New York citing not just any reason... as you might imply.... But because of the Tax and Regulatory burden.

    I forget get what city it is... one of these 3 in Texas... Austin, Dalis or Huston... filed this year to be a financial HUB for the south. Seems that a lot of major banks and trading firms are moving to Texas... Not just for any reason... They are citing Taxes and high Regulations.

    You sit in an other country on the other side of the continent and you tell Aaron who actually lives in New York that doesn't know what he's talking about.

    BTW, McDonalds is thinking of leaving Chicago... an other liberal Sh!t Hole... citing High Taxes, Regulations and Crime. When these companies leave they take the taxes they once paid, in this case Illinois, and go to a more favorable place... Like Texas and Florida where there is no state income tax.

    BTW, California was/is the 5th largest economy in the world. They once had tax revenue surpluses... now they have deficits in the 100s of billions.

    Sometimes you just say the stupidest stuff... And you don't support your claims and you try to tell the people who are living in the failed state to ignore what they see and hear.


    Chevron Oil is also moving from California. All complaining about regulations and high taxes...

    Regulations and taxes are not reason to complain.


    They said they are leaving for those reasons...

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sat Aug 31 07:20:18 2024
    Foot Locker Flees New York's Crushing Taxes, Relocates Headquarters to Business-Friendly Florida

    I wish foot locker every success whether in New York, Florida or anywhere they choose.

    Several companies are leaving/left California and New York citing not just any reason... as you might imply.... But because of the Tax and Regulatory burden.
    Banning books and deregulation are not solutions.

    I forget get what city it is... one of these 3 in Texas... Austin, Dalis or Huston... filed this year to be a financial HUB for the south. Seems that a lot of major banks and trading firms are moving to Texas... Not just for any reason... They are citing Taxes and high Regulations.

    If I was running a business the bottom line would be a key point in my decision making and location.

    You sit in an other country on the other side of the continent and you tell Aaron who actually lives in New York that doesn't know what he's talking about.

    I never told Aaron that he didn't know what he is talking about. I told him New York was a successful state, because that is what it is.

    BTW, McDonalds is thinking of leaving Chicago... an other liberal Sh!t Hole... citing High Taxes, Regulations and Crime.

    McDonalds is already a low quality outfit. I wouldn't go there at all if they didn't have regulations.

    When these companies leave they take the taxes they once paid, in this case Illinois, and go to a more favorable place... Like Texas and Florida where there is no state income tax.

    Sure, it's a free country. Live/work whever you like.

    BTW, California was/is the 5th largest economy in the world. They once had tax revenue surpluses... now they have deficits in the 100s of billions.

    Things are tough all over.

    Sometimes you just say the stupidest stuff... And you don't support your claim and you try to tell the people who are living in the failed state to ignore what they see and hear.

    I never told anyone to ignore anything.

    Chevron Oil is also moving from California. All complaining about
    regulations and high taxes...

    Well I wish them a happy tax free..

    Regulations and taxes are not reason to complain.

    They said they are leaving for those reasons...

    They are realities that I don't feel a need to complain about, and understand what they are for, and what they do.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Aug 31 09:58:00 2024
    If theives find a weakness they will exploit it. That is true in your local neighborhood as it is in the rail yards. Rail yards may be able to invest wher
    needed to make that exploitation hard, or less valuable to thieves in their haul.

    Which is why they are moving their yards out of the high-crime, low-prosecution, Democrat-controlled urban areas of CA and into the
    relative country side.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Aug 31 09:59:00 2024
    There's a good reason why you can only tell me 1 name,

    Why should I give you any names?

    To prove your point?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Aug 31 10:19:00 2024
    I forget get what city it is... one of these 3 in Texas... Austin, Dalis or >> Huston... filed this year to be a financial HUB for the south. Seems that a >> lot of major banks and trading firms are moving to Texas... Not just for any
    reason... They are citing Taxes and high Regulations.

    If I was running a business the bottom line would be a key point in my decisio
    making and location.

    Which is why you might leave California for a state that had a lower
    corporate tax rate, or for one where the cost of living is less than the
    one you are in, or one where you get more for your tax dollars (human waste-free streets, better law enforcement, etc.) than the one you are in.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sat Aug 31 09:15:28 2024
    On 31 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Several companies are leaving/left California and New York citing not ju any reason... as you might imply.... But because of the Tax and Regulato burden.
    Banning books and deregulation are not solutions.


    WTF does that have to do with what I said...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sat Aug 31 09:25:26 2024
    On 31 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    If I was running a business the bottom line would be a key point in my decision making and location.


    And it's why they move... The bottom line... it's better to do business anywhere other than Demicrat Sh!t Holes...


    I never told Aaron that he didn't know what he is talking about. I told him New York was a successful state, because that is what it is.


    You did... Aaron lives in New York and sees the failing state first hand and you tell him it's not a failing state... but he lives there... and you don't.


    McDonalds is already a low quality outfit. I wouldn't go there at all if they didn't have regulations.


    Who cares the quality... The largest fast food restaurant in the world is moving it's HQ from Chicago and going to a more favorable state and with that they'll take with them... employees and tax revenue.

    WTF does your argument have to do with anything. New York and California are hemorrhaging their Tax Base... Silvester Stallone announced that he is moving to Florida citing Taxes, crime and woke stuff...

    I know people move for many reasons... but my god... FOCUS!!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 31 08:36:58 2024
    Why should I give you any names?

    To prove your point?

    I am not making a point. Aaron can take it or leave it.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sat Aug 31 08:39:34 2024
    Several companies are leaving/left California and New York citing not ju >> > any reason... as you might imply.... But because of the Tax and Regulato >> > burden.
    Banning books and deregulation are not solutions.

    WTF does that have to do with what I said...

    Regulations are not burdensome and neither are books!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sat Aug 31 08:47:02 2024
    And it's why they move... The bottom line... it's better to do business anywhere other than Demicrat Sh!t Holes...

    Sure, live/work where you please.

    I never told Aaron that he didn't know what he is talking about. I told
    him New York was a successful state, because that is what it is.

    You did... Aaron lives in New York and sees the failing state first hand and you tell him it's not a failing state... but he lives there... and you don't.

    I never told Aaron that he didn't know what he talking about.

    Who cares the quality... The largest fast food restaurant in the world is moving it's HQ from Chicago and going to a more favorable state and with that they'll take with them... employees and tax revenue.

    I don't see your issue. If McD's wants to move they can do that.

    WTF does your argument have to do with anything. New York and California are hemorrhaging their Tax Base...

    Sure, people and business's move. It's a choice.

    Silvester Stallone announced that he is moving to Florida citing Taxes,
    crime and woke stuff...

    Sylvester has his choice too. It's all good.

    I know people move for many reasons... but my god... FOCUS!!

    I'm focused Joe, just like you told me.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sat Aug 31 15:02:24 2024
    On 31 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Regulations are not burdensome and neither are books!


    Regulations are extremely burdensome.... costly and can cause excessive delays...

    The Biden and Harris wanted to build charging stations for electric cars... spent BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars and built 4... Because the regulations required DEI, among other things... and that's all they got with the money they spent.

    Trump reduces regulations to speedup the process of Making America Great Again.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sat Aug 31 15:58:08 2024
    Regulations are not burdensome and neither are books!

    Regulations are extremely burdensome....

    Regulations are neseccary. In most cases they spell out best practises.

    costly and can cause excessive delays...

    Regulations cost nothing and cause no delays.

    Following regulations may add costs and/or delays but they are there for a reason.

    The Biden and Harris wanted to build charging stations for electric cars... spent BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars and built 4... Because the regulations required DEI, among other things... and that's all they got with the money the spent.

    What regulation requires DEI?

    Trump reduces regulations to speedup the process of Making America Great Again.

    Trump has succeeded in making some Americans hate again.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sat Aug 31 19:22:28 2024
    You sit in an other country on the other side of the continent and you t Aaron who actually lives in New York that doesn't know what he's talking about.

    I never told Aaron that he didn't know what he is talking about. I told him New York was a successful state, because that is what it is.

    That's like me telling you that British Columbia is a terrible place where syringes litter the streets, nobody recycles, and everybody is high all the time. That might be how the media describes it, but since I've never lived there, I won't parrot what they say about it, and since we're all BBS buddies, I would take your word for it when you tell me stuff about it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sat Aug 31 19:25:30 2024
    You did... Aaron lives in New York and sees the failing state first hand you tell him it's not a failing state... but he lives there... and you d

    I never told Aaron that he didn't know what he talking about.

    You did, but you said it in a nice way.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Aug 31 19:53:56 2024
    I never told Aaron that he didn't know what he is talking about. I told
    him New York was a successful state, because that is what it is.

    That's like me telling you that British Columbia is a terrible place where syringes litter the streets, nobody recycles, and everybody is high all the time.

    There are places like that, an area called the downtown eastside resembles your description. Exteme poverty and drugs galore, I've seen it myself.

    That area covers 10 square blocks and does not represent British Columbia.

    Gangs in BC are a bigger problem, not the gangs you would imagine.

    That might be how the media describes it, but since I've never lived
    there, I won't parrot what they say about it, and since we're all BBS buddies, I would take your word for it when you tell me stuff about it.

    If you have questions about BC I'll answer if I can and at least as I see it.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Aug 31 19:56:22 2024
    I never told Aaron that he didn't know what he talking about.

    You did, but you said it in a nice way.

    Nope, I never did. I'm sure Aaron knows New York very well. I just said that New York was a successful state. I'm sure New York has it's issues as well as California, BC and many places but it is not a failure.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 1 00:13:58 2024
    I never told Aaron that he didn't know what he is talking about. I told >> him New York was a successful state, because that is what it is.

    That's like me telling you that British Columbia is a terrible place whe syringes litter the streets, nobody recycles, and everybody is high all time.

    There are places like that, an area called the downtown eastside
    resembles your description. Exteme poverty and drugs galore, I've seen
    it myself.

    That area covers 10 square blocks and does not represent British
    Columbia.

    I have to insist that the downtown east side of Vancouver is "highly successful." I've never been there, but I've been to a lot of websites.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 1 00:40:02 2024
    Nope, I never did. I'm sure Aaron knows New York very well. I just said that New York was a successful state. I'm sure New York has it's issues
    as well as California, BC and many places but it is not a failure.

    Successful is a vague word. Successful recycling program? Yes. Successful snow plow service? Yes. Successful economy? No.

    We used to have Kodak, Endicott-Johnson, IBM, Remmington Arms, MCI, to name a few. They have all moved to other states. Not for better beaches, not for better weed, but for economic reasons. And the better companies, like IBM, took their employees with them when they left.

    I moved away for about 15 years, and when I came back 90% of the people I knew were gone. Most of them moved to Florida. They didn't move there to be closer to Disney World, they moved there for economic reasons. Florida is home to thousands of New York transplants.

    New York is "successful" at being famous for the Statue of Liberty which is located on an island near the New York City coast. But I would enjoy hearing someone tell me how New York has a successful economy, because that would blow my mind. As of 2023, New York State has a debt of $55.9 billion dollars.

    New York, California, and Hawaii (all leftie controlled states) have the highest state debt out of all of the 50 states. Successful at being in debt? Yes.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 1 00:16:22 2024
    That area covers 10 square blocks and does not represent British
    Columbia.

    I have to insist that the downtown east side of Vancouver is "highly successful." I've never been there, but I've been to a lot of websites.

    It is in many ways, aside from poverty and drugs.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 1 01:24:26 2024
    Successful is a vague word. Successful recycling program? Yes. Successful snow plow service? Yes. Successful economy? No.

    There is nothing vague about the word successful.

    New York State has a debt of $55.9 billion dollars.

    Most people also carry debt.

    That doesn't strike me as a lot for a state with a GDP around 2 trillion. Or am I mistaken about that?

    New York, California, and Hawaii (all leftie controlled states) have the highest state debt out of all of the 50 states. Successful at being in debt? Yes.

    Are these debts out of control?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sun Sep 1 11:20:13 2024
    Hello Bj”rn,

    [..]

    I wish those MAGA idiots would sometime learn about factchecking.

    Do you think that is even possible?

    Or is it a case of wishful thinking?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 1 14:23:58 2024
    Alan Ianson -> Aaron Thomas skrev 2024-09-01 10:24:
    New York State has a debt of $55.9 billion dollars.

    Most people also carry debt.

    That doesn't strike me as a lot for a state with a GDP around 2
    trillion. Or am I mistaken about that?

    You must excuse Aaron. Like his Orange Jesus, "a trillion, nobody has ever (code for "I have never") heard about a trillion," he probably doesn't realize what a trillion is.

    For instance, what do the $1.9T tax credits given to the corporations and billionaires by the MAGA administration actually mean to the (yearly average as reported by the IRS) 85M US taxpayers?

    It means not $1,900/85 but $1,900,000/85 on average for every US taxpayer: $22,353:-. 42.5M paid even more.

    And all this for reviving the long-debunked trickle-down economy theory from the Reagan era. At least Reagan only lowered corporate taxes by 12% over two years; Trump lowered them by 14% in just a single year.

    Talk about a reverse Robin Hood economy. Steal from the poor and give to the rich.



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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 1 09:34:39 2024
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I agree, but the working class can consider themselves to be "equal." Equally getting the short end of the stick.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sun Sep 1 09:34:39 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    That is a lie. California and New York both have successful econimies.

    No they don.... Both are failing... Both have people moving out of the state... Recently Elon moved all his California holding out of
    California to Texas... Chevron Oil is also moving from California. All complaining about regulations and high taxes... and poop on the
    street.... Ohhhh and Silvester Stallone... among many others are moving out as well. There are more people leaving California and moving in... The wealth is leaving.

    But remember that Alan thinks only what he's told to think. He's unable to think for himself. All evidence that goes against what he's been told to think is "false news", or "conspiracy theory".

    That's why these Ignorant Elitists disappear every so often. The evidence that they were wrong is so strong that it can no longer be denied. So they have to go back to their masters and be told what to think.

    Hence why they will deny saying something when we all have records of them saying it.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sun Sep 1 09:34:39 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    BTW, McDonalds is thinking of leaving Chicago... an other liberal Sh!t Hole... citing High Taxes, Regulations and Crime. When these companies leave they take the taxes they once paid,

    Not only that. They take jobs, which has a cascading effect on the economy.

    Less jobs means less workers - and, of course, less taxes. But it also means less people buying stuff in the local area. Which causes more businesses to fail. Which means less jobs and less workers and less people buying stuff. And so on.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sun Sep 1 09:34:39 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    On 31 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Several companies are leaving/left California and New York citing not ju any reason... as you might imply.... But because of the Tax and Regulato burden.
    Banning books and deregulation are not solutions.


    WTF does that have to do with what I said...

    It's the standard Ignorant Elitist redirection. He's losing the debate, so he's trying to redirect it toward something else.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 1 08:35:22 2024
    New York State has a debt of $55.9 billion dollars.

    Most people also carry debt.

    That doesn't strike me as a lot for a state with a GDP around 2
    trillion. Or am I mistaken about that?

    It's better than Hawaii's debt to GDP ratio by comparison, but how much better would it be if Democrats didn't push all the major brands out of the state?

    Since Kathy Hochul's rogue regime took over, now businesses are being sued for hundreds of millions of dollars just for breaking bank policies.

    Are these debts out of control?

    It is out of control. Not just in New York, but in every Democrat state.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Sun Sep 1 08:41:54 2024
    For instance, what do the $1.9T tax credits given to the
    corporations and billionaires by the MAGA administration actually mean
    to the (yearly average as reported by the IRS) 85M US taxpayers?

    We like having businesses and we like having jobs. Democrats like converting shopping malls into welfare offices.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sun Sep 1 10:06:00 2024
    Why should I give you any names?

    To prove your point?

    I am not making a point.

    While that is often the case, here the point you were allegedly making was
    that a claim of yours has evidence.

    Aaron can take it or leave it.

    In other words, just take your totally biased word for it.

    No thanks.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Sun Sep 1 10:04:00 2024
    Several companies are leaving/left California and New York citing not ju >AI> > any reason... as you might imply.... But because of the Tax and Regulato >AI> > burden.
    Banning books and deregulation are not solutions.

    WTF does that have to do with what I said...

    It is a deflection.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sun Sep 1 10:10:00 2024
    costly and can cause excessive delays...

    Regulations cost nothing and cause no delays.

    Following regulations may add costs and/or delays but they are there for a reason.

    Which means they cost something. Duh.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sun Sep 1 10:35:00 2024
    New York State has a debt of $55.9 billion dollars.

    Most people also carry debt.

    People who carry excessive debt are not known as financially successful.


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 1 18:55:24 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-09-01 16:41:
    We like having businesses and we like having jobs.

    We? We, who? We, the brainwashed MAGA cult members? That I can believe. But the 40M living under the poverty level would rather pay the ultra-rich than be able to spend the money on their local shops and servicemen? Hardly.

    Jobs? 3M lost their jobs during #45. The only president in modern history who left office with fewer jobs. Yeah, it didn't work out well, did it?

    How much do you pay in taxes, BTW?

    Democrats like converting shopping malls into welfare offices.

    Holy Smoke. Are you for real?

    Oh, you forgot about all the satanic orgies where they eat babies and drink their blood. Maybe in the malls, then?


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 1 10:23:00 2024
    That doesn't strike me as a lot for a state with a GDP around 2
    trillion. Or am I mistaken about that?

    It's better than Hawaii's debt to GDP ratio by comparison, but how much better would it be if Democrats didn't push all the major brands out of the state?

    I don't think democrats are pushing people out. Some may choose to go elsewhere. That's fine.

    Since Kathy Hochul's rogue regime took over, now businesses are being sued for hundreds of millions of dollars just for breaking bank policies.

    I couldn't find any info about this.

    Are these debts out of control?

    It is out of control. Not just in New York, but in every Democrat state.

    I'll agree that New York has a debt and most every state does.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sun Sep 1 10:24:38 2024
    I am not making a point.

    While that is often the case, here the point you were allegedly making was that a claim of yours has evidence.

    I was pointing out a generally known fact.

    Aaron can take it or leave it.

    In other words, just take your totally biased word for it.

    No thanks.

    Yes, I understand.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sun Sep 1 10:25:44 2024
    Banning books and deregulation are not solutions.

    WTF does that have to do with what I said...

    It is a deflection.

    Delection? Banning books is all the rage today.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sun Sep 1 10:26:42 2024
    Regulations cost nothing and cause no delays.

    Following regulations may add costs and/or delays but they are there for a >> reason.

    Which means they cost something. Duh.

    Lack of regulations also cost something. Duh.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Sun Sep 1 15:43:50 2024

    Which is why they are moving their yards out of the high-crime, low-prosecution, Democrat-controlled urban areas of CA and into the relative country side.
    If they wonder off too far they might step foot into the Badlands only to be never seen again.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 1 15:59:50 2024
    On 31 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Regulations are neseccary. In most cases they spell out best practises.


    Over regulation is bad and stifles growth.


    Regulations cost nothing and cause no delays.


    Regulations cost tones... Large corporations love them because smaller companies can't afford them... Latest was DEI... how F#$king stupid is that... U have to hire a 1 legged black hermaphrodite with pronouns to make sure you're represented.

    Thank God companies are catching on.


    Following regulations may add costs and/or delays but they are there for
    a reason.


    Regulations are the main reason... it takes 15 to 20 years to build a road sometime because they are worried about a frog or a snail.

    I have a buddy who builds homes and he says that about 1/3 of the price of building a new home is based on regulations....

    Do you have a clue what you're talking about??


    What regulation requires DEI?


    For Democrats its having to hire weird people, a lot of the times unfit or unqualified for the job... Trump redefined it to Deport Every Illegal...


    Trump has succeeded in making some Americans hate again.


    Nope... It's the left that hates... Go to a Trump rally... they dance and sing patriotic songs.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Ron L. on Sun Sep 1 16:10:18 2024

    On 01 Sep 2024, Ron L. said the following...


    But remember that Alan thinks only what he's told to think. He's unable to think for himself. All evidence that goes against what he's been
    told to think is "false news", or "conspiracy theory".

    That's why these Ignorant Elitists disappear every so often. The
    evidence that they were wrong is so strong that it can no longer be denied. So they have to go back to their masters and be told what to think.

    Hence why they will deny saying something when we all have records of
    them saying it.


    He's like a dog chasing his tail... You show him some facts... he changes his argument.... show him facts about what that can't be the case... He changes his argument again... and so on and so forth,

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Mike Powell on Sun Sep 1 16:11:28 2024
    On 01 Sep 2024, Mike Powell said the following...


    WTF does that have to do with what I said...

    It is a deflection.


    HAHAHAHA

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to IB Joe on Sun Sep 1 15:31:44 2024
    Regulations are neseccary. In most cases they spell out best practises.

    Over regulation is bad and stifles growth.

    Over regulation is bad. Old regulations that don't make sense anymore should be removed or updated.

    Regulations cost nothing and cause no delays.

    Regulations cost tones... Large corporations love them because smaller companies can't afford them...

    The regulations don't cost anything. Doing things right might add costs. Doing things wrong will also add costs.

    Latest was DEI... how F#$king stupid is that...

    Diversity, equity, and inclusion is not a bad thing.

    U have to hire a 1 legged black hermaphrodite with pronouns to make sure you're represented.

    That is not DEI.

    Following regulations may add costs and/or delays but they are there for
    a reason.

    Regulations are the main reason... it takes 15 to 20 years to build a road sometime because they are worried about a frog or a snail.

    I have never seen any road take that long.

    I have a buddy who builds homes and he says that about 1/3 of the price of building a new home is based on regulations....

    Do you have a clue what you're talking about??

    Do you want to deregulate home builders? Do you know what you are talking about?

    What regulation requires DEI?

    For Democrats its having to hire weird people, a lot of the times unfit or unqualified for the job... Trump redefined it to Deport Every Illegal...

    That is not DEI.

    Trump has succeeded in making some Americans hate again.

    Nope... It's the left that hates... Go to a Trump rally... they dance and sing patriotic songs.

    They love Trump, but hate America.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Sun Sep 1 17:53:42 2024
    We like having businesses and we like having jobs.

    We? We, who? We, the brainwashed MAGA cult members? That I can
    believe. But the 40M living under the poverty level would rather pay the ultra-rich than be able to spend the money on their local shops and servicemen? Hardly.

    Go ahead and try to speak for millions of people who live in a country that you don't live in. I'm beginning to realize that's typical leftie behavior.

    There's no magic wand that solves everybody's problems, but there is a magic wand that alleviated the problem of businesses not being able to afford to stay afloat due to high taxes, and Trump waved that wand for us.

    Jobs? 3M lost their jobs during #45. The only president in modern history who left office with fewer jobs. Yeah, it didn't work out well, did it?

    What is your source of that information? The pandemic caused historic unemployment. That's a fact. And there's no other logic that pins the loss of jobs on Trump policy.

    How much do you pay in taxes, BTW?

    I don't own a business, so I don't pay corporate tax. I pay property tax, income tax, and sales tax just like everybody else. Property tax is based on the value of my home, sales tax in NY is 8%, income tax is about 25% of my gross income.

    Democrats like converting shopping malls into welfare offices.

    Holy Smoke. Are you for real?

    I can't speak for all the welfare offices throughout the entire state, but it happened at the former site of the Oakdale Mall in Johnson City, New York. There's still some retail space there, but a large portion of the building is now occupied by the county department of social services. And it's not a replacement for the old DSS, it's in addition to the existing one!

    Oh, you forgot about all the satanic orgies where they eat babies and drink their blood. Maybe in the malls, then?

    I don't know about satanic orgies, but there was an issue with Democrats and babies recently at this year's DNC convention in Chicago, Illinois. They just can't keep their hands off kids for some sick reason.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 1 17:58:34 2024
    It's better than Hawaii's debt to GDP ratio by comparison, but how much better would it be if Democrats didn't push all the major brands out of state?

    I don't think democrats are pushing people out. Some may choose to go elsewhere. That's fine.

    They're not making them walk the plank like pirates, but they're pushing them out with high taxes that are less severe in other states such as North Carolina and Texas.

    Since Kathy Hochul's rogue regime took over, now businesses are being su for hundreds of millions of dollars just for breaking bank policies.

    I couldn't find any info about this.

    I'm referring to Trump's "civil fraud trial."

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-letitia-james-new-york-engoron-38bc3a7f2 ccb22555c026e9bf70fd5bb

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 1 18:47:44 2024
    Since Kathy Hochul's rogue regime took over, now businesses are being su >> > for hundreds of millions of dollars just for breaking bank policies.

    I couldn't find any info about this.

    I'm referring to Trump's "civil fraud trial."

    I'm aware of Trumps civil fraud trial and conviction. He'll be sentenced in a few weeks.

    It wasn't about bank policy, Trump's actions were against state law.

    What has that got to do with Kathy Hochul?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 1 21:04:40 2024
    I'm aware of Trumps civil fraud trial and conviction. He'll be sentenced in a few weeks.

    It wasn't about bank policy, Trump's actions were against state law.

    What has that got to do with Kathy Hochul?

    I thought that the NY Attorney General was appointed by the governor, but I was wrong about that. (I just don't remember seeing "Attorney General" on the ballot.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Mon Sep 2 09:13:51 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

    He's like a dog chasing his tail...

    Or maybe a Copium miner. :)

    You show him some facts... he
    changes his argument.... show him facts about what that can't be the case... He changes his argument again... and so on and so forth,

    The funny thing is that people like him have been around for literally decades on the BBSs. They will never admit that they were wrong.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Mon Sep 2 09:13:51 2024
    IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    What regulation requires DEI?

    For Democrats its having to hire weird people, a lot of the times unfit
    or unqualified for the job... Trump redefined it to Deport Every Illegal...

    Gov't regulations requiring DEI is just Affirmative Action.

    If a company needs 20 people, they used to just find the best 20 people. Now they have to hire so many of that "minority", so many of this "minority". Note that the requirement is to hire a minority - not someone competent.

    That **does** benefit some people, though. I once new a woman who had been working hard for over a year, getting premium pay. Why? Because she was a competent dry-waller. Companies wanted to hire her for the job because she ticked the Affirmative Action box **and** got the job done well.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Mon Sep 2 09:49:00 2024
    Banning books and deregulation are not solutions.

    WTF does that have to do with what I said...

    It is a deflection.

    Delection? Banning books is all the rage today.

    He wasn't talking about banning books. If you want to start a separate
    thread about that...

    Just FYI, wanting the books in a childrens' school library to be age appropriate is not "banning books." Banning them means they cannot be
    legally found anywhere and I am not aware of anyone doing that. Please
    post some links to enlighten us.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Mon Sep 2 09:08:00 2024
    Regulations cost nothing and cause no delays.

    Following regulations may add costs and/or delays but they are there for a >> reason.

    Which means they cost something. Duh.

    Lack of regulations also cost something. Duh.

    Having worked in government most of my life I can tell you that some regulations are good -- they promote public or workplace safety, prevent businesses from hiring children, prevent monopolies, etc.

    A whole lot of them are only in place for the purpose of collecting money -- either through fines, fees, or hidden taxes -- and don't do anything for society.

    It is the latter group that most people who complain about regulations have
    a problem with.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Mon Sep 2 09:09:00 2024
    Which is why they are moving their yards out of the high-crime, low-prosecution, Democrat-controlled urban areas of CA and into the relative country side.
    If they wonder off too far they might step foot into the Badlands only to be never seen again.

    LOL.

    About this time last year, I traveled out west. If I had my choice of
    being in the various badlands that I visited, or Los Angeles, I would prefer
    to take my chances in the badlands. ;)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Mon Sep 2 09:50:00 2024
    Since Kathy Hochul's rogue regime took over, now businesses are being sued for hundreds of millions of dollars just for breaking bank policies.

    I couldn't find any info about this.

    Google 'New York state banking nra unconstitutional" and I think you will
    find plenty about what Aaron is talking about. The state attempted to
    coerce banks and insurance companies to coerce them into not doing business with the NRA and other second ammendment support groups. The state did so by promising, among other things, to be more lenient on them, regulation wise,
    if they did as asked.

    The NRA won their case with the help of the ACLU.

    This assumes I know what Aaron is talking about.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Sep 2 09:38:00 2024
    Since Kathy Hochul's rogue regime took over, now businesses are being su >AI> > for hundreds of millions of dollars just for breaking bank policies.

    I couldn't find any info about this.

    I'm referring to Trump's "civil fraud trial."

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-letitia-james-new-york-engoron-38bc3a7f
    ccb22555c026e9bf70fd5bb

    If someone commits fraud, they should be punished.

    I understand that some question whether or not fraud was actually commited,
    and it is their right to do so.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Mon Sep 2 10:55:58 2024
    On 01 Sep 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...


    The regulations don't cost anything. Doing things right might add costs. Doing things wrong will also add costs.


    Stop.... JC... During the depression my grandfather walked around with his tools fixing things... He'd knock on doors and offer his services. He fed his family that was during that time.

    When I was younger my brother and I could pickup a hammer and do the same thing...

    Today, I'd have to hire Safety people to do the simplest thing. Alan... who the f%^k pays for a safety supervisor... is it FREE??

    Kids today can't even sell lemonade on the corner without a permit...


    I have never seen any road take that long.


    Ask Barry... After the 2009 market collapse he was given out money for shovel ready projects... None were done because of regulations. Trump got into office and had that reduced to 2 years. If there was noway the road could be done you found out right away... well within 2 years and not 10 or 15 years later.

    You have no clue about the points you take.


    For Democrats its having to hire weird people, a lot of the times unfit unqualified for the job... Trump redefined it to Deport Every Illegal...

    That is not DEI.


    Trump redefined it... like the dems do all the time. I like Trump's DEI

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Mon Sep 2 15:00:50 2024
    Delection? Banning books is all the rage today.

    He wasn't talking about banning books. If you want to start a separate thread about that...

    Sure, I just made the comment that banning books and deregulation were not solutions. If you want a separate thread then by all means go for it.

    Just FYI, wanting the books in a childrens' school library to be age appropriate is not "banning books." Banning them means they cannot be legally found anywhere and I am not aware of anyone doing that. Please
    post some links to enlighten us.

    You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 3 00:14:30 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-09-02 01:53:
    Go ahead and try to speak for millions of people who live in a country that you don't live in.

    Typical projection. *YOU* were the one who pretended to speak for other people.

    Unless you are megalomaniacal enough to use pluralis majestatis, "we" means more than you. So I asked you who *YOU* try to speak for.

    I'm beginning to realize that's typical leftie behavior.

    First of all, I'm not a leftie, I've always written with my right hand.

    Secondly, projection is the hallmark of the MAGA cult members, as decreed by their cult leader, the Orange Jesus.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Mon Sep 2 17:03:18 2024
    Go ahead and try to speak for millions of people who live in a countr that you don't live in.

    Typical projection. *YOU* were the one who pretended to speak for
    other people.

    Here's what you said:

    "We? We, who? We, the brainwashed MAGA cult members? That I can
    believe. But the 40M living under the poverty level would rather pay the
    ultra-rich than be able to spend the money on their local shops and
    servicemen? Hardly."

    You were speaking for "40M" people, now you're claiming that I am the one who was speaking for others. That also is typical leftie behavior.

    Unless you are megalomaniacal enough to use pluralis majestatis, "we" means more than you. So I asked you who *YOU* try to speak for.

    Oh, I forgot. I was distracted by all that speaking for 40M people that you were doing.

    First of all, I'm not a leftie, I've always written with my right
    hand.

    And now George Soros does all the writing for you.

    Secondly, projection is the hallmark of the MAGA cult members, as decreed by their cult leader, the Orange Jesus.

    Right. I shouldn't project anything, I should just let the media and the world's elite do all the thinking for me.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Tue Sep 3 08:49:00 2024
    Just FYI, wanting the books in a childrens' school library to be age appropriate is not "banning books." Banning them means they cannot be legally found anywhere and I am not aware of anyone doing that. Please post some links to enlighten us.

    You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

    Aside from some "third party" rubbish, the only (not) bans I have heard
    about, or seen any information on, are groups trying to make sure that
    their kids' school libraries are age appropriate for their kids' age and not adults.

    Now, I am aware of a leftist movement a few recent years back where they protested and protested and got some Dr. Seuss books effectively banned.
    Is that what you are talking about?


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 3 20:54:50 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-09-03 01:03:
    Unless you are megalomaniacal enough to use pluralis majestatis, "we"
    means more than you. So I asked you who *YOU* try to speak for.

    Oh, I forgot. I was distracted by all that speaking for 40M people that you were doing.

    Ah yes, another infamous MAGA hallmark. Never answer a direct question. If you can't lie, deflect.

    "Deflection is a defense mechanism characterized by redirecting a conversation away from a challenging topic or issue to something less emotionally charged."

    Shall we give it another try?

    Who are the "we" that you claim to represent?



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Tue Sep 3 15:18:58 2024
    Unless you are megalomaniacal enough to use pluralis majestatis,
    means more than you. So I asked you who *YOU* try to speak for.

    Oh, I forgot. I was distracted by all that speaking for 40M people th you were doing.

    Ah yes, another infamous MAGA hallmark. Never answer a direct question. If you can't lie, deflect.

    "Deflection is a defense mechanism characterized by redirecting a conversation away from a challenging topic or issue to something less emotionally charged."

    Shall we give it another try?

    Who are the "we" that you claim to represent?

    I speak for myself and not for other people. Speaking for other people is something that elitists do, and it's also something that people who watch too much tv do.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Björn Felten on Tue Sep 3 18:53:05 2024
    On 03 Sep 2024, Bj”rn Felten said the following...

    Aaron Thomas -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-09-03 01:03:
    Unless you are megalomaniacal enough to use pluralis majestatis, "
    means more than you. So I asked you who *YOU* try to speak for.

    Oh, I forgot. I was distracted by all that speaking for 40M people tha
    you were doing.

    Ah yes, another infamous MAGA hallmark. Never answer a direct
    question. If you can't lie, deflect.

    "We the people" - of the United States.
    This excludes you and that other piece of garbage from Canada as well.
    For the non-believers there is always Canada and of course Sweden.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 3 18:40:42 2024
    You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

    Aside from some "third party" rubbish,

    What third parties do you speak of?

    the only (not) bans I have heard about, or seen any information on, are groups trying to make sure that their kids' school libraries are age appropriate for their kids' age and not adults.

    Oh yeah, I'm on board. I don't think school libraries need to have porn on the shelves.

    Of course we both know that is not happening.

    Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

    Book bans diminish the quality of education students have access to and restrict their exposure to important persepectives that form the fabric of a culturaly pluralist society (like the United States).

    Now, I am aware of a leftist movement a few recent years back where they protested and protested and got some Dr. Seuss books effectively banned.
    Is that what you are talking about?

    Is Dr. Suess banned? No.

    Six of Dr. Suess's lesser know works are no longer published because of racist imagery.

    Do you find that "leftist"?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 3 22:21:46 2024
    Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

    Book bans diminish the quality of education students have access to and restrict their exposure to important persepectives that form the fabric
    of a culturaly pluralist society (like the United States).

    Books are a form of media, and can be used as a mode of propagation. Books about mathematics, science, programming languages, punctuation, vocabulary, etc are safe enough to be shared with children, but it's books in the literature, history, and sociology categories that need to be reviewed by parents first, to make sure that the education system isn't trying to molest their brains.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 4 00:40:38 2024
    Books are a form of media, and can be used as a mode of propagation. Books about mathematics, science, programming languages, punctuation, vocabulary, etc are safe enough to be shared with children, but it's books in the literature, history, and sociology categories that need to be reviewed by parents first, to make sure that the education system isn't trying to molest their brains.

    Oh, I agree parents should keep up with what their children are doing/reading in school. That's normal.

    Mike and I were discussing book bans. That's a little different.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 4 15:52:41 2024
    Aaron Thomas -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2024-09-03 23:18:
    Who are the "we" that you claim to represent?

    I speak for myself and not for other people.

    We like having businesses and we like having jobs.

    I don't see an I here, but I can see two we.

    Don't you even understand how different this would look like if you said:

    "I like having businesses and I like having jobs."

    But no, it sounds much better if you pretend to be speaking for millionss of other people, doesn't it?

    When I mention the 40M US people living under the poverty level, I am the one pretending to be speaking of behalf of those people?

    What if I hade mentioned the 41M living in Canada, would that have made me speaking for all the Canadians?

    #MAGALogicFails


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Björn Felten on Wed Sep 4 08:31:18 2024
    When I mention the 40M US people living under the poverty level, I
    am the one pretending to be speaking of behalf of those people?

    You didn't just simply mention them, you said what they would rather have. That's called speaking for someone else.

    We like having businesses and we like having jobs.

    We both spoke for other people. Shame on us. But back to the point: What would we have without businesses and jobs? Caves and loincloths?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Wed Sep 4 10:49:00 2024
    You haven't heard about the book bans? The info is out there, have a look.

    Aside from some "third party" rubbish,

    What third parties do you speak of?

    Project 2025, talking heads on the Internet, etc.

    the only (not) bans I have heard about, or seen any information on, are groups trying to make sure that their kids' school libraries are age appropriate for their kids' age and not adults.

    Oh yeah, I'm on board. I don't think school libraries need to have porn on the
    shelves.

    Of course we both know that is not happening.

    Except it was. When Dale was here, he and I had a discussion about this. Someone posted a list of books that were on a "hit list," and he and I both agreed that some of them verged on porn and didn't need to be in public schools.

    A school system in the NE US even admitted as much. A parent attempted to
    read passages from a book from his elementary school aged kid's school
    library at a board of education meeting. The board cut him off stating
    that "reading pornography" during a meeting was not allowed.

    "Pornography" was their word, not the parent's.

    Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

    Where in the USA are books being outright banned, where you cannot get a copy of said books anywhere anymore?

    Now, I am aware of a leftist movement a few recent years back where they protested and protested and got some Dr. Seuss books effectively banned.
    Is that what you are talking about?

    Is Dr. Suess banned? No.

    The books in question are no longer published and you cannot find them on
    offer any more. Internet sites won't allow used copies to be sold. Unless you can find them at a rummage sale, they are no longer available -- which is what "effectively banned" means.

    Six of Dr. Suess's lesser know works are no longer published because of racist
    imagery.

    Whether or not the imagery was racist was very questionable. The publisher
    had previously changed some of the language to better meet today's
    standards, but ultimately at least one of the books was banned for
    containing a picture of a Chinese character wearing a traditional Chinese outfit.

    That is where the rub really is. If China doesn't like something, it has
    to go away. In China, even though he was a major character in the movie, images of actor John Boyega (who is black) had to be shrunk or completely removed from movie posters and ads for Star Wars The Force Awakens.
    (Sources - The Guardian, CNN, Variety). Disney caved to the CCP and did
    that so they could make money showing the movie in China.

    TikTok shadowbans black creators for the same reason as TikTok is a Chinese company and therefore counts the CCP as one of its owners. Per a PBS
    special a couple of years back, this shadowbanning extended to the US
    TikTok platform as well (presumably to keep China happy).

    Google "TikTok shadow ban black people" to read about it.

    <sarcasm> Nothing racist there. </sarcasm>

    Do you find that "leftist"?

    Leftist generally don't like it when you bring up China being a reason that certain forms of racism are tolerated while other, non-racist things get labeled "racist."


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 4 09:21:16 2024
    A school system in the NE US even admitted as much. A parent attempted to read passages from a book from his elementary school aged kid's school library at a board of education meeting. The board cut him off stating
    that "reading pornography" during a meeting was not allowed.

    "Pornography" was their word, not the parent's.

    That is not happening in Canada and I would be surprised if it is happening in the US. If such material slipped through the cracks it can be removed.

    If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

    Book bans are indeed all the rage in some places today.

    Where in the USA are books being outright banned, where you cannot get a copy of said books anywhere anymore?

    I don't have access to a web browser presently, but do a search for "list of banned books".

    Do you find that "leftist"?

    Leftist generally don't like it when you bring up China being a reason that certain forms of racism are tolerated while other, non-racist things get labeled "racist."

    Bring up China as you need. China is a deeply racist country. China's racism is a reality, not much to be done about it. I dunno, but I don't think China wants to talk about it, or much of anything at all.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Sep 5 01:39:26 2024
    Hello Gregory,

    [..]

    Ah yes, another infamous MAGA hallmark. Never answer a direct
    question. If you can't lie, deflect.

    "We the people" - of the United States.
    This excludes you and that other piece of garbage from Canada as well.
    For the non-believers there is always Canada and of course Sweden.

    Come to Louisiana. Leave different.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Thu Sep 5 13:09:40 2024
    Hello Bj”rn,

    Who are the "we" that you claim to represent?

    I speak for myself and not for other people.

    We like having businesses and we like having jobs.

    I don't see an I here, but I can see two we.

    What is capital? What is labor? Are they one and the same thing?

    Don't you even understand how different this would look like if you said:

    "I like having businesses and I like having jobs."

    What he said is something far different.

    It is kind of like saying "I am my own grandpa."

    While within the realm of possibilities, it is far from likely.

    But no, it sounds much better if you pretend to be speaking for millionss of
    other people, doesn't it?

    Of course it does. That is why the state of Louisiana made it the
    official state tourism motto - "Come to Louisiana. Leave different."

    See how that works? The state of Louisiana speaks for millions
    of other people. In its own official words.

    When I mention the 40M US people living under the poverty level, I am the one pretending to be speaking of behalf of those people?

    That's right. The state has to make it official. Otherwise it is
    just your own opinion. For whatever that is worth.

    What if I hade mentioned the 41M living in Canada, would that have made me speaking for all the Canadians?

    Oh, come now. Canadians do not "come to Canada, leave different".

    #MAGALogicFails

    Logic is futile.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thu Sep 5 09:08:00 2024
    A school system in the NE US even admitted as much. A parent attempted to read passages from a book from his elementary school aged kid's school library at a board of education meeting. The board cut him off stating that "reading pornography" during a meeting was not allowed.

    "Pornography" was their word, not the parent's.

    That is not happening in Canada and I would be surprised if it is happening in
    the US. If such material slipped through the cracks it can be removed.

    If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

    Im past, yes. In the current climate, it would depend on what it was. If
    it is a book that depicts (with non-scientific illustrations) two young
    boys sexually experimenting on each other, it very well might not be
    removed.

    If it is a boy and a girl then, yes, it probably will be.

    Leftist generally don't like it when you bring up China being a reason that certain forms of racism are tolerated while other, non-racist things get labeled "racist."

    Bring up China as you need. China is a deeply racist country. China's racism i
    a reality, not much to be done about it. I dunno, but I don't think China want
    to talk about it, or much of anything at all.

    I agree with your statements. That said, being as racist as they are, we should not allow them to dictate to us what is racist or not as they
    obviously don't have a clue.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Sep 6 07:08:12 2024
    "We the people" - of the United States.
    This excludes you and that other piece of garbage from Canada as well.
    For the non-believers there is always Canada and of course Sweden.

    Come to Louisiana. Leave different.
    I might just do that. One day.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/201 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Sep 6 07:18:48 2024
    Come to Louisiana. Leave different.
    I might just do that. One day.

    Hell yea. They have a good governor!

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 6 08:18:52 2024
    If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

    Im past, yes. In the current climate, it would depend on what it was. If
    it is a book that depicts (with non-scientific illustrations) two young
    boys sexually experimenting on each other, it very well might not be
    removed.

    If it is a boy and a girl then, yes, it probably will be.

    I don't think sexual experimentation of any kind is part of school curriculum and has no place in school library. Reporting such material to a librarian should be enough to remove the book from the school library.

    Bring up China as you need. China is a deeply racist country. China's racism
    i
    a reality, not much to be done about it. I dunno, but I don't think China
    want
    to talk about it, or much of anything at all.

    I agree with your statements. That said, being as racist as they are, we should not allow them to dictate to us what is racist or not as they obviously don't have a clue.

    Agreed. I wouldn't take China's word for anything, or let them dictate anything at all.

    That's not to say I wouldn't talk to them and hope for better.. but..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sun Sep 8 13:19:00 2024
    If this was pointed out to a librarian it would be removed. Or am I wrong?

    Im past, yes. In the current climate, it would depend on what it was. If it is a book that depicts (with non-scientific illustrations) two young boys sexually experimenting on each other, it very well might not be removed.

    If it is a boy and a girl then, yes, it probably will be.

    I don't think sexual experimentation of any kind is part of school curriculum and has no place in school library. Reporting such material to a librarian should be enough to remove the book from the school library.

    You are hitting on the problem, thought. That is what most people think
    but when parents complain they get hit with a "phobia" and "book banner" accusation when, in reality, they are trying to have things that really
    have no place in a school library removed from that library.

    I agree with your statements. That said, being as racist as they are, we should not allow them to dictate to us what is racist or not as they obviously don't have a clue.

    Agreed. I wouldn't take China's word for anything, or let them dictate anythin
    at all.

    That's not to say I wouldn't talk to them and hope for better.. but..

    It is worth a shot, but I would not get your hopes up. ;)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Sep 9 21:43:00 2024
    Hello Gregory,

    "We the people" - of the United States.
    This excludes you and that other piece of garbage from Canada as
    well.
    For the non-believers there is always Canada and of course
    Sweden.

    Come to Louisiana. Leave different.

    I might just do that. One day.

    New Orleans Saints vs New York Jets
    February 9, 2025
    Super Bowl LIX
    Caesars Superdome
    New Orleans, Louisiana

    Derek Carr and Aaron Rodgers
    lighting up the scoreboard for
    all to enjoy.

    With Kendrick Lamar performing
    at halftime.

    Be there!

    For Life,
    Lee

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