This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
would prefer not to.
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
would prefer not to.
Unless you're prepared to plug in a monitor, or enable and connect a serial console, then pulling the plug is the only way.
Theo
On 11/12/2023 12:28, Theo wrote:
Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
would prefer not to.
Unless you're prepared to plug in a monitor, or enable and connect a serial console, then pulling the plug is the only way.
Not quite Theo.
You *could* set up a hardware interrupt on a GPIO pin that invokes some
kind of (more or less) orderly shutdown.
And attach a 'reset' button. Or a 'power off' button. Depending on what
you did in the interrupt service routine
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
Chris,
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
Maybe adding a "shutdown" button as per the below ?
https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/117013/raspberry-pi-4-b-gpio-boot-and-shutdown-buttons
OP here, thank you, that's really useful, and not only for the
shutdown button. I'm using the RPi to read/control several I2C
devices (taking over from a BBB) and that page has lots of useful I2C information as well.
Chris,
OP here, thank you, that's really useful, and not only for the
shutdown button. I'm using the RPi to read/control several I2C
devices (taking over from a BBB) and that page has lots of useful I2C information as well.
You're welcome, even though the I2C extras where (ofcourse) a lucky shot.
:-)
One question though : I don't think that your above BBB means "Better Business Bureau", but than what /does/ it mean ?
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
would prefer not to.
On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
would prefer not to.
You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
That works.
One question though : I don't think that your above BBB meansIt means Beaglebone Black, a single board computer quite similar
"Better Business Bureau", but than what /does/ it mean ?
in some ways to the Pi.
However it hasn't got updated like the Pi and so is now somewhat
behind as regards processor power etc.
Chris,
One question though : I don't think that your above BBB meansIt means Beaglebone Black, a single board computer quite similar
"Better Business Bureau", but than what /does/ it mean ?
in some ways to the Pi.
Ah yes, I've heard about that one. Never seen one though.
However it hasn't got updated like the Pi and so is now somewhat
behind as regards processor power etc.
:-) Not everyone yearns for having the newest-and-fastest thingamagotchy.
Take me, I've got a swell time working with a RPi... One? (one of the earliest versions, without mounting holes) running a Lite version (CLI interface only) of BullsEye.
I have quite a selection of Pis back to quite early versions and
all of them are CLI only.
Chris,
OP here, thank you, that's really useful, and not only for the
shutdown button. I'm using the RPi to read/control several I2C
devices (taking over from a BBB) and that page has lots of useful I2C
information as well.
You're welcome, even though the I2C extras where (ofcourse) a lucky shot.
:-)
One question though : I don't think that your above BBB means "Better Business Bureau", but than what /does/ it mean ?
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
*can't log in via ssh*, how can one then shut down safely?
*You can SSH into them* and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
That works.
Chris,
I have quite a selection of Pis back to quite early versions and
all of them are CLI only.
I did install the full, GUI based version of BullsEye, just to see if it would work. It did.
But the lack of any kind of speed made me quickly decide that maybe a CLI version would work better. :-)
To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised that that not-too-old BullsEye wanted to boot on that rather ancient RPi.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:Didn't you see the bit that says "...I can't log in via ssh."? :-)
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
would prefer not to.
You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
That works.
In article <hg5j4k-um341.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, cl@isbd.net says...
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
What I do on my Pis is run an application which watches for the
insertion of a USB stick labelled SHUTDOWNPI.
https://github.com/jps-aldridge/shutdownthumb
On 12/12/2023 05:16, 56g.1173 wrote:
On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
*can't log in via ssh*, how can one then shut down safely?
*You can SSH into them* and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
That works.
Edited to display idiocy more clearly
On 12/12/23 5:13 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:SSH is only as bulletproof as the underlying operating system
On 12/12/2023 05:16, 56g.1173 wrote:
On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
*can't log in via ssh*, how can one then shut down safely?
*You can SSH into them* and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
That works.
Edited to display idiocy more clearly
SSH is almost bulletproof ... hoped he'd figured
it out ......
On 12/12/23 4:17 AM, Chris Green wrote:
56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:Didn't you see the bit that says "...I can't log in via ssh."? :-)
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
would prefer not to.
You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
That works.
I'd hoped he'd figured that out already ... he CAN, ifSeriously, dont be such a fucking twat. Obviously he can until his
he sets it up correctly.
On Wed Dec 13 02:59:00 2023, The Natural Philosopher wrote to All <=-
On 13/12/2023 01:17, 56g.1173 wrote:
On 12/12/23 4:17 AM, Chris Green wrote:
56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:Didn't you see the bit that says "...I can't log in via ssh."? :-)
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I >>>> can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one >>>> would prefer not to.
You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
That works.
I've been having a similar issue with one of my Pis acting as a PiHole. Every week or so, it totally locks up, can't SSH in, can't even get a serial terminal, have to hard reboot. Luckily it's actually the secondary DNS so stuff on my network stays up and running, but it's annoying because it also is connected to my UPS and a RTL-SDR that reports to FlightAware. Their emails telling me my feed is down is usually the first time I notice it's locked up again.I'd hoped he'd figured that out already ... he CAN, ifSeriously, dont be such a fucking twat. Obviously he can until his
he sets it up correctly.
system locks up, and then he CANT.
And that is his problem. That he cant ssh in. Ive had this occasionally
with my remote virtual private servers. Something like a memory leak or
a full disk or someone DOSing it stops me getting in.
Only solution is a console reboot and hit the server logs before it restarts, firewall out whoever is doing it, if they are, or delete the
logs of them trying which have flooded the limited disk...
--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "
Alan Sokal
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On 12/12/23 4:17 AM, Chris Green wrote:
56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:Didn't you see the bit that says "...I can't log in via ssh."? :-)
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
would prefer not to.
You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
That works.
I'd hoped he'd figured that out already ... he CAN, if
he sets it up correctly. Most common err on a Pi is to
forget to enable the service ... either using the config
GUI or manually with systemctl. I change the default port
and the too-liberal login stuff in sshd_config too, just
to be safe.
On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 23:49:49 -0000, John Aldridge wrote:
In article <hg5j4k-um341.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, cl@isbd.net says...
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
What I do on my Pis is run an application which watches for the
insertion of a USB stick labelled SHUTDOWNPI.
https://github.com/jps-aldridge/shutdownthumb
The standard Linux "su - shutdown" or "su - shutdown --poweroff" should do the trick, while "man 8 shutdown" or "su - shutdown --help" tells you all about it.
Hint: If you're not quite sure what a command is called, but you want to
see its manpage, running the command "apropos whatIwant" will show you all the manual pages whose NAME sentence contains that character string or something similar.
On Wed Dec 13 02:59:00 2023, The Natural Philosopher wrote to All <=-
> And that is his problem. That he cant ssh in. Ive had this occasionally
> with my remote virtual private servers. Something like a memory leak or
> a full disk or someone DOSing it stops me getting in.
I've been having a similar issue with one of my Pis acting as a PiHole. Every week or so, it totally locks up, can't SSH in, can't even get a serial terminal, have to hard reboot. Luckily it's actually the secondary DNS so stuff
on my network stays up and running, but it's annoying because it also is connected to my UPS and a RTL-SDR that reports to FlightAware. Their emails telling me my feed is down is usually the first time I notice it's locked up again.
OP here. What I meant when I said "...I can't log in via ssh." is a situation where the software has crashed or something like that. I
know quite well how to configure a Pi to let me log in using ssh.
56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:Didn't you see the bit that says "...I can't log in via ssh."? :-)
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
would prefer not to.
You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
That works.
On 12/12/23 4:17 AM, Chris Green wrote:
56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:Didn't you see the bit that says "...I can't log in via ssh."? :-)
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
would prefer not to.
You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
That works.
I'd hoped he'd figured that out already ... he CAN, if
he sets it up correctly.
Most common err on a Pi is to
forget to enable the service ... either using the config
GUI or manually with systemctl. I change the default port
and the too-liberal login stuff in sshd_config too, just
to be safe.
However a "clean shutdown" BUTTON would be a really good
thing - ergo the description of how to go for that. Ya
can also write your OWN little daemon, send "STOP" on
port whatever, separate from SSH.
On Wed Dec 13 02:59:00 2023, The Natural Philosopher wrote to All <=-
> On 13/12/2023 01:17, 56g.1173 wrote:
> > On 12/12/23 4:17 AM, Chris Green wrote:
> >> 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:
> >>> On 12/11/23 5:39 AM, Chris Green wrote:
> >>>> This sort of continues from my earlier question.
> >>>>
> >>>> I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
> >>>> can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess the risk of simply pulling the power isn't *that* bad but one
> >>>> would prefer not to.
> >>>
> >>> You can SSH into them and then "(sudo) shutdown now".
> >>> That works.
> >>>
> >> Didn't you see the bit that says "...I can't log in via ssh."? :-)
> >
> >
> > I'd hoped he'd figured that out already ... he CAN, if
> > he sets it up correctly.
> Seriously, dont be such a fucking twat. Obviously he can until his
> system locks up, and then he CANT.
>
> And that is his problem. That he cant ssh in. Ive had this occasionally
> with my remote virtual private servers. Something like a memory leak or
> a full disk or someone DOSing it stops me getting in.
I've been having a similar issue with one of my Pis acting as a PiHole. Every week or so, it totally locks up, can't SSH in, can't even get a serial terminal, have to hard reboot. Luckily it's actually the secondary DNS so stuff
on my network stays up and running, but it's annoying because it also is connected to my UPS and a RTL-SDR that reports to FlightAware. Their emails telling me my feed is down is usually the first time I notice it's locked up again.
In article <hg5j4k-um341.ln1@esprimo.zbmc.eu>, cl@isbd.net says...
This sort of continues from my earlier question.
I run a number of headless Pis, sometimes I get something wrong and I
can't log in via ssh, how can one then shut down safely?
What I do on my Pis is run an application which watches for the
insertion of a USB stick labelled SHUTDOWNPI.
https://github.com/jps-aldridge/shutdownthumb
ou could use a heart-beat type mechanism.
The PiHole repeatedly sends a check to remote service, the heart-beat
If the heart-beat stops, you can first get a script on the PiHole to
trigger a reboot itself, if the PiHole hasn't locked up.
If the PiHole has genuinely frozen, doesn't recover in a timely way, the remote end of the heart beat serivice could signal a seperate tasmota
style power switch to cycle the power on the PiHole.
I've been having a similar issue with one of my Pis acting as a PiHole. Every week or so, it totally locks up, can't SSH in, can't even get a serial terminal, have to hard reboot. Luckily it's actually the secondary DNS so stuff
on my network stays up and running, but it's annoying because it also is connected to my UPS and a RTL-SDR that reports to FlightAware. Their emails telling me my feed is down is usually the first time I notice it's locked up again.
Try the hardware watchdog, there's plenty of info on it, here is the
first page that came to hand
https://diode.io/blog/running-forever-with-the-raspberry-pi-hardware-watchdog
---druck
On 12/12/2023 09:52, R.Wieser wrote:
Chris,
I have quite a selection of Pis back to quite early versions and
all of them are CLI only.
I did install the full, GUI based version of BullsEye, just to see if it
would work. It did.
But the lack of any kind of speed made me quickly decide that maybe a CLI
version would work better. :-)
To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised that that not-too-old BullsEye
wanted to boot on that rather ancient RPi.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
I've got Bookworm running (no gui) on
Hardware : BCM2835
Revision : 900032
Serial : 00000000c72dee2a
Model : Raspberry Pi Model B Plus Rev 1.2
I got it for £10 (still in it's box) on ebay.
On 13/12/2023 23:12, Pancho wrote:
ou could use a heart-beat type mechanism.
The PiHole repeatedly sends a check to remote service, the heart-beat
If the heart-beat stops, you can first get a script on the PiHole to
trigger a reboot itself, if the PiHole hasn't locked up.
If the PiHole has genuinely frozen, doesn't recover in a timely way,
the remote end of the heart beat serivice could signal a seperate
tasmota style power switch to cycle the power on the PiHole.
Experience shows that there are a range of situations that can disable
user access. Some of them will also disable any self-rebooting type
systems you might employ.
In such cases the only option is a power cycle.
BUT if its happening regularly, the answer is to FIX THE CODE that is
causing it or replace the hardware.
I remember one SPARC machine sent in to us that 'always worked for half
an hour, but then stopped'
CPU fan was wrecked by dust.
Pis are cheap enough that a total swapout wont cost an ARM (sic!) and a
leg so that is the easiest way to eliminate a hardware fault.
Code wise, you can disable services one at a time until its stable, or
look in the log files,
Linux/PI is good, but some kinds of errors and/or
memory leaks DO seem to accumulate despite best
efforts.
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Any chance you can discontinue this message format as for myself as one I cannot read it and it does not comply with the standards for any messaging that I have found including fido and Usenet.
Vincent
Gosh I didn't see that it was base 64 encoded!
No reason for that.
Thunderbird doesnt normally encode usenet that way...
Andy Burns wrote:
I think it needs Chris Elvidge and/or 56g.1183 to use 7-bit encoding
for their UTF-8 messages
The mail.strictly_mime=true setting also has an influence
But it seems Thunderbird isn't as well behaved as I thought, it is
easily tempted into using base64 encoding instead of 7bit encoding with quoted-printable characters :-(
Has anyone got any better settings?
Hello druck!
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Any chance you can discontinue this message format as for myself as one I cannot read it and it does not comply with the standards for any messaging that I have found including fido and Usenet.
I think it needs Chris Elvidge and/or 56g.1183 to use 7-bit encoding for their UTF-8 messages
So I abandoned that, and went back to it's predecessor Pi 4B, which
was running Bullseye 64 bit (hand upgraded from 32 bit, and prior to
that in place upgraded all the way from the very fist OS running an
the original 256MB Pi B)
druck <news@druck.org.uk> writes:
So I abandoned that, and went back to it's predecessor Pi 4B, which
was running Bullseye 64 bit (hand upgraded from 32 bit, and prior to
that in place upgraded all the way from the very fist OS running an
the original 256MB Pi B)
What's "hand upgraded"? I have this Pi that I kinda would like to keep running for a while yet but it has Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on it. Canonical
extended the support for 20.04 LTS until 2030 but not for the armhf architecture which I have. I've considered cross grading it to arm64 but
I'm not sure it's worth the trouble or if that would even work. And this
is a CM3+ so there's no SD card, only soldered eMMC for storage.
On 04/01/2024 12:40, Andy Burns wrote:
But it seems Thunderbird isn't as well behaved as I thought, it isAccording to those what know better than I Usenet and Mime base 64 are
easily tempted into using base64 encoding instead of 7bit encoding with
quoted-printable characters :-(
Has anyone got any better settings?
now a standard.
druck <news@druck.org.uk> writes:
So I abandoned that, and went back to it's predecessor Pi 4B, which
was running Bullseye 64 bit (hand upgraded from 32 bit, and prior to
that in place upgraded all the way from the very fist OS running an
the original 256MB Pi B)
What's "hand upgraded"? I have this Pi that I kinda would like to keep running for a while yet but it has Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on it. Canonical
extended the support for 20.04 LTS until 2030 but not for the armhf architecture which I have. I've considered cross grading it to arm64 but
I'm not sure it's worth the trouble or if that would even work. And this
is a CM3+ so there's no SD card, only soldered eMMC for storage.
druck <news@druck.org.uk> writes:
So I abandoned that, and went back to it's predecessor Pi 4B, which
was running Bullseye 64 bit (hand upgraded from 32 bit, and prior to
that in place upgraded all the way from the very fist OS running an
the original 256MB Pi B)
What's "hand upgraded"? I have this Pi that I kinda would like to keep running for a while yet but it has Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on it. Canonical
extended the support for 20.04 LTS until 2030 but not for the armhf architecture which I have. I've considered cross grading it to arm64 but
I'm not sure it's worth the trouble or if that would even work. And this
is a CM3+ so there's no SD card, only soldered eMMC for storage.
I don't know if anyone has a working cross-grade for Raspbian then,
so I created a new partition with a clean 64 bit Bullseye on it,
installed all the same optional packages as the 32 bit partition, then
copied over all /home, /opt, bits of /var and lastly looked at
/etc. That was the trickiest bit, machine-id and ssh/ssh_host* were
copied across to preserve the identity, but all the other files had to
be diffed and changes integrated so as to keep the legit configuration
and to shed some of the cruft from multiple previous OS releases.
The base64 coding does come from druck's Thunderbird, but it's
probably not his fault, there's a longer chain of "blame" ...
The message from <56g.1183@ztq4.net> uses 8bit encoding and seems to
have needlessly changed spaces into sequences of 0xC3 0x82 0x20
possibly triggered by Chris Elvidge's message also using 8bit coding
and including non US ASCII characters (e.g. a British pound sign £)
These are about converting VPS systems from Ubuntu to Debian, but
the process ought to be the same except for any special driver
requirements for the RPis: https://gist.github.com/4abhinavjain/893ec13c651bee08088c8f4661998952 https://github.com/bohanyang/debi
I don't know if anyone has a working cross-grade for Raspbian then, so
I created a new partition with a clean 64 bit Bullseye on it,
installed all the same optional packages as the 32 bit partition, then
copied over all /home, /opt, bits of /var and lastly looked at
/etc. That was the trickiest bit, machine-id and ssh/ssh_host* were
copied across to preserve the identity, but all the other files had to
be diffed and changes integrated so as to keep the legit configuration
and to shed some of the cruft from multiple previous OS releases.
druck <news@druck.org.uk> writes:
I don't know if anyone has a working cross-grade for Raspbian then, so
I created a new partition with a clean 64 bit Bullseye on it,
installed all the same optional packages as the 32 bit partition, then
copied over all /home, /opt, bits of /var and lastly looked at
/etc. That was the trickiest bit, machine-id and ssh/ssh_host* were
copied across to preserve the identity, but all the other files had to
be diffed and changes integrated so as to keep the legit configuration
and to shed some of the cruft from multiple previous OS releases.
That's the thing, isn't it? Either copy all the cruft over or spend
months in transition, going from wondering "didn't I have a script/config/whatever for this" to "oh right, it was on the old system,
time to copy that over too." BTDT...
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