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    From Fokke Nauta@3:770/3 to All on Wed Sep 22 11:05:05 2021
    Hi all,

    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?
    I need to know that to install another piece of software.

    Thanks in advance.

    Fokke
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  • From Andy Burns@3:770/3 to Fokke Nauta on Wed Sep 22 10:34:14 2021
    Fokke Nauta wrote:

    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?

    uname -a

    armv7l=32bit
    aarch64=64bit
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  • From Fokke Nauta@3:770/3 to Andy Burns on Wed Sep 22 11:39:16 2021
    On 22/09/2021 11:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:

    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?

    uname -a

    armv7l=32bit
    aarch64=64bit

    Thanks very much!
    It's a 32 bits system.

    Fokke
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  • From Pancho@3:770/3 to Andy Burns on Wed Sep 22 10:38:57 2021
    On 22/09/2021 10:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:

    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?

    uname -a

    armv7l=32bit
    aarch64=64bit

    I tried -a first too,

    Google told me -m

    lscpu works too.
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  • From Pancho@3:770/3 to Fokke Nauta on Wed Sep 22 10:37:28 2021
    On 22/09/2021 10:05, Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?
    I need to know that to install another piece of software.

    Thanks in advance.

    Fokke

    uname -m

    aarch64 is 64 bit
    armv7l is 32 bit
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  • From A. Dumas@3:770/3 to Andy Burns on Wed Sep 22 13:04:43 2021
    On 22-09-2021 11:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:
    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?

    uname -a

    armv7l=32bit
    aarch64=64bit

    That can also mean you have a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland (by
    having "arm_64bit=1" in /boot/config.txt), and you would definitely
    still need 32-bit versions of software.

    In general: Raspberry Pi OS has NOT been released as a full 64-bit
    version yet, so if you don't know, it's easy: 32-bit for sure.
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  • From A. Dumas@3:770/3 to A. Dumas on Wed Sep 22 13:06:36 2021
    On 22-09-2021 13:04, A. Dumas wrote:
    On 22-09-2021 11:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:
    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?

    uname -a

    armv7l=32bit
    aarch64=64bit

    That can also mean you have a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland (by
    having "arm_64bit=1" in /boot/config.txt), and you would definitely
    still need 32-bit versions of software.

    In general: Raspberry Pi OS has NOT been released as a full 64-bit
    version yet, so if you don't know, it's easy: 32-bit for sure.

    One way to know for sure without looking at config.txt:

    $ file /bin/ls
    /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable [...]
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  • From Adam Funk@3:770/3 to A. Dumas on Wed Sep 22 12:57:39 2021
    On 2021-09-22, A. Dumas wrote:

    On 22-09-2021 11:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:
    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?

    uname -a

    armv7l=32bit
    aarch64=64bit

    That can also mean you have a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland (by
    having "arm_64bit=1" in /boot/config.txt), and you would definitely
    still need 32-bit versions of software.

    In general: Raspberry Pi OS has NOT been released as a full 64-bit
    version yet, so if you don't know, it's easy: 32-bit for sure.

    Am I right in thinking that the Pi (at least the newer models) has
    64-bit hardware, but it's the R.Pi OS (formerly known as Raspbian)
    that limits it to 32-bit operation?



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  • From Fokke Nauta@3:770/3 to A. Dumas on Wed Sep 22 14:30:08 2021
    On 22/09/2021 13:06, A. Dumas wrote:
    On 22-09-2021 13:04, A. Dumas wrote:
    On 22-09-2021 11:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:
    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?

    uname -a

    armv7l=32bit
    aarch64=64bit

    That can also mean you have a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland (by
    having "arm_64bit=1" in /boot/config.txt), and you would definitely
    still need 32-bit versions of software.

    In general: Raspberry Pi OS has NOT been released as a full 64-bit
    version yet, so if you don't know, it's easy: 32-bit for sure.

    One way to know for sure without looking at config.txt:

    $ file /bin/ls
    /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable [...]

    Indeed, that's what it said.

    Fokke
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  • From Fokke Nauta@3:770/3 to A. Dumas on Wed Sep 22 14:27:08 2021
    On 22/09/2021 13:04, A. Dumas wrote:
    On 22-09-2021 11:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:
    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?

    uname -a

    armv7l=32bit
    aarch64=64bit

    That can also mean you have a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland (by
    having "arm_64bit=1" in /boot/config.txt), and you would definitely
    still need 32-bit versions of software.

    In general: Raspberry Pi OS has NOT been released as a full 64-bit
    version yet, so if you don't know, it's easy: 32-bit for sure.

    OK, thanks.

    Fokke
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  • From Pancho@3:770/3 to Adam Funk on Wed Sep 22 14:17:29 2021
    On 22/09/2021 12:57, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2021-09-22, A. Dumas wrote:

    On 22-09-2021 11:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:
    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?

    uname -a

    armv7l=32bit
    aarch64=64bit

    That can also mean you have a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland (by
    having "arm_64bit=1" in /boot/config.txt), and you would definitely
    still need 32-bit versions of software.

    In general: Raspberry Pi OS has NOT been released as a full 64-bit
    version yet, so if you don't know, it's easy: 32-bit for sure.

    Am I right in thinking that the Pi (at least the newer models) has
    64-bit hardware, but it's the R.Pi OS (formerly known as Raspbian)
    that limits it to 32-bit operation?


    Ubuntu Server

    <https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi>

    I'm running 64-bit on a rpi4, no problems, very little difference.
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  • From A. Dumas@3:770/3 to Adam Funk on Wed Sep 22 16:28:45 2021
    On 22-09-2021 13:57, Adam Funk wrote:
    Am I right in thinking that the Pi (at least the newer models) has
    64-bit hardware, but it's the R.Pi OS (formerly known as Raspbian)
    that limits it to 32-bit operation?

    Yes. The 64-bit version is in beta and perfectly useable, but there are
    some limitations (I think stuff like hardware video accel., remote
    desktop maybe if they want to go to Wayland; I don't know details,
    haven't checked recently).

    And like Pancho says, there are other 64-bit distributions like Ubuntu.
    I like Manjaro because it's a rolling distro and stuff like Python is
    fully up to date. But you won't get hardware video accel. in the browser
    like in RPi OS.
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  • From David Taylor@3:770/3 to Adam Funk on Wed Sep 22 15:29:24 2021
    On 22/09/2021 12:57, Adam Funk wrote:
    []
    Am I right in thinking that the Pi (at least the newer models) has
    64-bit hardware, but it's the R.Pi OS (formerly known as Raspbian)
    that limits it to 32-bit operation?

    Correct, at least for the RPi-4.
    I'm running 64-bit as an experiment without issues.

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  • From Adam Funk@3:770/3 to Pancho on Wed Sep 22 16:33:21 2021
    On 2021-09-22, Pancho wrote:

    On 22/09/2021 12:57, Adam Funk wrote:
    On 2021-09-22, A. Dumas wrote:

    On 22-09-2021 11:34, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:
    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?

    uname -a

    armv7l=32bit
    aarch64=64bit

    That can also mean you have a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland (by
    having "arm_64bit=1" in /boot/config.txt), and you would definitely
    still need 32-bit versions of software.

    In general: Raspberry Pi OS has NOT been released as a full 64-bit
    version yet, so if you don't know, it's easy: 32-bit for sure.

    Am I right in thinking that the Pi (at least the newer models) has
    64-bit hardware, but it's the R.Pi OS (formerly known as Raspbian)
    that limits it to 32-bit operation?


    Ubuntu Server

    <https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi>

    I'm running 64-bit on a rpi4, no problems, very little difference.

    I thought so, thanks (and to the others who answered).


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  • From Scott Alfter@3:770/3 to a24061@ducksburg.com on Wed Sep 22 15:56:45 2021
    In article <jair1ixkbl.ln2@news.ducksburg.com>,
    Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
    Am I right in thinking that the Pi (at least the newer models) has
    64-bit hardware, but it's the R.Pi OS (formerly known as Raspbian)
    that limits it to 32-bit operation?

    Yes. I've run 64-bit Gentoo Linux on the Raspberry Pi 3 and 4. I have
    64-bit OpenWRT running on a Compute Module 4 that's about to replace my home router.

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  • From Dennis Lee Bieber@3:770/3 to All on Wed Sep 22 12:01:29 2021
    On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 12:57:39 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
    declaimed the following:

    Am I right in thinking that the Pi (at least the newer models) has
    64-bit hardware, but it's the R.Pi OS (formerly known as Raspbian)
    that limits it to 32-bit operation?

    The 3 and 4 have 64-bit cores. So far the foundation has been focused on 32-bit OS as it runs on all R-Pi models.

    There is a beta 64-bit release https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=275370

    https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspios_arm64/images/ (newer image)

    I do not expect any further Buster-based releases, as Debian has released Bullseye -- I expect the foundation is focusing on getting
    Bullseye (Debian 11) packaged for all R-Pi models before returning to
    64-bit development.


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  • From A. Dumas@3:770/3 to b.f.lundin@gmail.com on Wed Sep 22 16:27:31 2021
    Björn Lundin <b.f.lundin@gmail.com> wrote:
    Den 2021-09-22 kl. 11:37, skrev Pancho:
    On 22/09/2021 10:05, Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?
    I need to know that to install another piece of software.

    Thanks in advance.

    Fokke

    uname -m

    aarch64 is 64 bit
    armv7l is 32 bit



    hmm - so I got a Pi4 with 8Gb RAM
    I downloaded the last raspian os (2021-05-07-raspios-buster-armhf-full)
    and at first boot i upgraded to the latest and greatest (this was
    yesterday 2021-09-21)


    so - if I type
    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ file /usr/bin/ls
    /usr/bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, BuildID[sha1]=67a394390830ea3ab4e83b5811c66fea9784ee69, stripped

    or

    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ uname -a
    Linux raspberrypi 5.10.60-v7l+ #1449 SMP Wed Aug 25 15:00:44 BST 2021
    armv7l GNU/Linux

    they state 32 bit


    BUT

    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ free -m
    total used free shared buff/cache
    available
    Mem: 7898 142 7460 42 295
    7486
    Swap: 99 0 99


    why does free see the 8 Gb ? and top does too.

    https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=276597
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Bj=c3=b6rn_Lundin?=@3:770/3 to All on Wed Sep 22 18:22:50 2021
    Den 2021-09-22 kl. 11:37, skrev Pancho:
    On 22/09/2021 10:05, Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    I have a Raspberry Pi with Pi-Hole installed. It works fine.
    But how can I find out as to whether it's a 32 or 64 bits system?
    I need to know that to install another piece of software.

    Thanks in advance.

    Fokke

    uname -m

    aarch64 is 64 bit
    armv7l is 32 bit



    hmm - so I got a Pi4 with 8Gb RAM
    I downloaded the last raspian os (2021-05-07-raspios-buster-armhf-full)
    and at first boot i upgraded to the latest and greatest (this was
    yesterday 2021-09-21)


    so - if I type
    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ file /usr/bin/ls
    /usr/bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3, for GNU/Linux
    3.2.0, BuildID[sha1]=67a394390830ea3ab4e83b5811c66fea9784ee69, stripped

    or

    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ uname -a
    Linux raspberrypi 5.10.60-v7l+ #1449 SMP Wed Aug 25 15:00:44 BST 2021
    armv7l GNU/Linux

    they state 32 bit


    BUT

    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ free -m
    total used free shared buff/cache
    available
    Mem: 7898 142 7460 42 295
    7486
    Swap: 99 0 99


    why does free see the 8 Gb ? and top does too.





    output of lscpu, /proc/cpuinfo below as well - all thinks 32 bit


    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ lscpu
    Architecture: armv7l
    Byte Order: Little Endian
    CPU(s): 4
    On-line CPU(s) list: 0-3
    Thread(s) per core: 1
    Core(s) per socket: 4
    Socket(s): 1
    Vendor ID: ARM
    Model: 3
    Model name: Cortex-A72
    Stepping: r0p3
    CPU max MHz: 1500,0000
    CPU min MHz: 600,0000
    BogoMIPS: 108.00
    Flags: half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4
    idiva idivt vfpd32 lpae evtstrm crc32


    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
    processor : 0
    model name : ARMv7 Processor rev 3 (v7l)
    BogoMIPS : 108.00
    Features : half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 idiva idivt vfpd32 lpae evtstrm crc32
    CPU implementer : 0x41
    CPU architecture: 7
    CPU variant : 0x0
    CPU part : 0xd08
    CPU revision : 3

    processor : 1
    model name : ARMv7 Processor rev 3 (v7l)
    BogoMIPS : 108.00
    Features : half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 idiva idivt vfpd32 lpae evtstrm crc32
    CPU implementer : 0x41
    CPU architecture: 7
    CPU variant : 0x0
    CPU part : 0xd08
    CPU revision : 3

    processor : 2
    model name : ARMv7 Processor rev 3 (v7l)
    BogoMIPS : 108.00
    Features : half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 idiva idivt vfpd32 lpae evtstrm crc32
    CPU implementer : 0x41
    CPU architecture: 7
    CPU variant : 0x0
    CPU part : 0xd08
    CPU revision : 3

    processor : 3
    model name : ARMv7 Processor rev 3 (v7l)
    BogoMIPS : 108.00
    Features : half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tls vfpv4 idiva idivt vfpd32 lpae evtstrm crc32
    CPU implementer : 0x41
    CPU architecture: 7
    CPU variant : 0x0
    CPU part : 0xd08
    CPU revision : 3

    Hardware : BCM2711
    Revision : d03114
    Serial : 10000000032637f9
    Model : Raspberry Pi 4 Model B Rev 1.4




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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Bj=c3=b6rn_Lundin?=@3:770/3 to All on Wed Sep 22 20:48:50 2021
    Den 2021-09-22 kl. 18:27, skrev A. Dumas:
    Björn Lundin <b.f.lundin@gmail.com> wrote:

    why does free see the 8 Gb ? and top does too.
    https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=276597

    Aha, thanks


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  • From wibble@bibble.com.invalid@3:770/3 to wlfraed@ix.netcom.com on Wed Sep 22 21:48:42 2021
    On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 12:01:29 -0400, Dennis Lee Bieber
    <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


    I do not expect any further Buster-based releases, as Debian has
    released Bullseye -- I expect the foundation is focusing on getting
    Bullseye (Debian 11) packaged for all R-Pi models before returning to
    64-bit development.


    Surely thus would be an ideal time to go forward with just 64bit and
    leave the 32bit hardware on the current release.
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  • From druck@3:770/3 to Adam Funk on Wed Sep 22 21:25:08 2021
    On 22/09/2021 12:57, Adam Funk wrote:
    Am I right in thinking that the Pi (at least the newer models) has
    64-bit hardware, but it's the R.Pi OS (formerly known as Raspbian)
    that limits it to 32-bit operation?

    The Raspberry Pi OS (Raspbian) userland is 32 bit, however they provide
    both 32 bit and 64 bit kernels which can be used in the Pi 3, 3+ and 4
    which support ARMv7 and ARMv8.

    I'm running loading the 64 bit kernel, so I can boot in to the standard
    32 bit Raspbian userland, but use raspbian-nspawn-64 so I can run a 64
    bit userland inside a systemd container. This gives me a 64 bit shell
    plus the ability to run 64 bit desktop applications from the start menu alongside 32 bit ones.

    ---druck
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  • From Adam Funk@3:770/3 to Dennis Lee Bieber on Fri Sep 24 13:01:08 2021
    On 2021-09-22, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

    On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 12:57:39 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> declaimed the following:

    Am I right in thinking that the Pi (at least the newer models) has
    64-bit hardware, but it's the R.Pi OS (formerly known as Raspbian)
    that limits it to 32-bit operation?

    The 3 and 4 have 64-bit cores. So far the foundation has been focused on 32-bit OS as it runs on all R-Pi models.

    There is a beta 64-bit release https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=275370

    https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspios_arm64/images/ (newer image)

    I do not expect any further Buster-based releases, as Debian has released Bullseye -- I expect the foundation is focusing on getting
    Bullseye (Debian 11) packaged for all R-Pi models before returning to
    64-bit development.

    That makes sense. Thanks.


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  • From Adam Funk@3:770/3 to druck on Fri Sep 24 13:01:36 2021
    On 2021-09-22, druck wrote:

    On 22/09/2021 12:57, Adam Funk wrote:
    Am I right in thinking that the Pi (at least the newer models) has
    64-bit hardware, but it's the R.Pi OS (formerly known as Raspbian)
    that limits it to 32-bit operation?

    The Raspberry Pi OS (Raspbian) userland is 32 bit, however they provide
    both 32 bit and 64 bit kernels which can be used in the Pi 3, 3+ and 4
    which support ARMv7 and ARMv8.

    I'm running loading the 64 bit kernel, so I can boot in to the standard
    32 bit Raspbian userland, but use raspbian-nspawn-64 so I can run a 64
    bit userland inside a systemd container. This gives me a 64 bit shell
    plus the ability to run 64 bit desktop applications from the start menu alongside 32 bit ones.

    Interesting, thanks.

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