• Re: netmail to gmail recipients not going out /yahoo does

    From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Duck on Thu Mar 11 17:35:45 2021
    On 3/10/2021 7:06 PM, Duck wrote:
    These are all set. Like i said the relay works fine. but it's not
    really the goal that i was going for. I want to work out the issue
    of why i can normally send out mail to other clients, such as yahoo
    and others but not gmail clients. If i use the relay yes, it does.
    But i'd rather not use the relay.

    You will want to configure at least your SPF record. If you're hosting
    from your home connection, your options are really limited. Usually you
    would also want your reverse dns for your IP to match your hostname for
    your MX record for your mail server. You will also want a clean and
    static IP address assigned. Since Synchronet doesn't support DKIM, you
    can use a self-hosted agent for outbound and optionally inbound checks
    if you like. Even then you will likely have issues.

    You should also test outlook.com/hotmail in addition to gmail, and
    yahoo. In the end, using a relay is generally the least painful route
    to go for better delivery.
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  • From Marisag@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Thu Mar 11 22:30:38 2021
    Re: Re: netmail to gmail recipients not going out /yahoo does
    By: Tracker1 to Duck on Thu Mar 11 2021 17:35:45

    I have issues with gmail on almost all my sites, even those using the latest version of postfix. Works fine to yahoo/outlook/etc just gmail blocking them. Would love to get that resolved...

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Fri Mar 12 07:08:00 2021
    Subject: Re: netmail to gmail recipients not going out /yahoo does
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    Tracker1 wrote to Duck <=-

    You will want to configure at least your SPF record. If you're hosting from your home connection, your options are really limited. Usually
    you would also want your reverse dns for your IP to match your hostname for your MX record for your mail server.


    There's a great site I use called MXtoolbox.com that helps diagnose mail server problems.

    I just resurrected a VPS I've been holding onto for a couple of years, and loaded postfix from package. I added SPF and DKIM records, and the DKIM
    record seemed to do the trick to allow mail to pass to google.

    I was able to find instructions on both online with google searches.


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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Marisag on Mon Mar 15 06:51:13 2021
    On 3/11/2021 3:30 PM, Marisag wrote:

    I have issues with gmail on almost all my sites, even those using the
    latest version of postfix. Works fine to yahoo/outlook/etc just gmail blocking them. Would love to get that resolved...

    I just send my BBS outbound mail via SendGrid.com, the BBS fits in the
    free tier. DKIM and SPF records in DNS are in place.

    Right now, I have a mail server setup, but having issues with several
    IPs I've tried blocked by hotmail's services... Will probably switch my sendgrid account to paid, or may setup to relay through AWS SES service.
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  • From Dream Master@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 15 13:11:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to Marisag <=-

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    On 3/11/2021 3:30 PM, Marisag wrote:

    I just send my BBS outbound mail via SendGrid.com, the BBS fits in
    the free tier. DKIM and SPF records in DNS are in place.

    Right now, I have a mail server setup, but having issues with
    several IPs I've tried blocked by hotmail's services... Will
    probably switch my sendgrid account to paid, or may setup to relay
    through AWS SES service.

    Unless you are really dumping messages out via SMTP, keeping with
    SendGrid makes sense (their free tier is more than sufficient). AWS SES
    is a good service but invites too many headaches into something
    relatively simple like SendGrid. SES requires you to have an actual
    MAIL FROM domain, which isn't that complicated, but the documentation
    should be reviewed: https://amzn.to/2OrxpHl


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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Mar 15 21:03:53 2021
    On 3/12/2021 8:08 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    You will want to configure at least your SPF record. If you're hosting
    from your home connection, your options are really limited. Usually
    you would also want your reverse dns for your IP to match your hostname
    for your MX record for your mail server.

    There's a great site I use called MXtoolbox.com that helps diagnose mail server problems.

    Well, their sales tactics are kind of strong armed and their paid
    accounts are way more than I'm willing to spend on this, roughly 10-20x
    what a relay service would cost.

    Of the 4 rbls that were flagged, two were false positives that weren't
    listed on the actual rbl sites, one I was able to request automated
    deletion and for the last, I went ahead and paid for 2 years of
    whitelisting (www.whitelisted.org), mostly flagged because of the host provider's address block (DigitalOcean).

    I just resurrected a VPS I've been holding onto for a couple of years, and loaded postfix from package. I added SPF and DKIM records, and the DKIM record seemed to do the trick to allow mail to pass to google.

    I was able to find instructions on both online with google searches.

    Yeah, I have DKIM and SPF setup correctly... google delivers fine,
    didn't test yahoo mail, office365 is delivering without issue... but hotmail/outlook.com has a separate infrastructure that's been
    problematic, I only paid for the 2-year whitelist as if that gets me to
    my outlook.com email, I'll just leave it as-is and won't need a relay
    service.

    For reference, I'm using https://mailu.io/1.7/ via Docker using a
    postgresql database. Was actually super easy to setup/configure,
    biggest issue seems to be the DigitalOcean list...

    It does seem that Azure might be your best bet for hosting an MTA
    server, as their address blocks are pretty much clean. But the host
    pricing it about 30-40% higher than DigitalOcean.

    B2S (General Compute, 2cpu, 4gb) is $21/month on a reserved instance for
    a year, and $32 on a monthly. Buying 3-year reserved instance would be
    about $500 for the three years, and from experience about $5-10/month
    for bandwidth and storage by the end of the term.

    I might have been able to stick with sqlite and a 2gb service (the
    anti-spam configuration recommends at least 1gb just for the anti-spam,
    so 2gb is probably the lowest memory), adding postgresql in the mix
    recommends 2gb by itself... so just went that direction.
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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 15 21:45:07 2021
    If a message area has old messages removed, does this change the message numbers? Does this affect the message numbers in NNTP?
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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 15 22:54:32 2021
    Re: Message area numbering
    By: Tracker1 to Tracker1 on Mon Mar 15 2021 09:45 pm

    If a message area has old messages removed, does this change the message numbers? Does this affect the message numbers in NNTP?

    No.
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  • From Tracker1@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Mar 17 03:36:07 2021
    On 3/15/2021 10:54 PM, Digital Man wrote:
    If a message area has old messages removed, does this change the message
    numbers? Does this affect the message numbers in NNTP?

    No.

    Thank you.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:103/705 to Tracker1 on Wed Mar 17 06:11:00 2021
    Subject: Re: netmail to gmail recipients not going out /yahoo does
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    Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    It does seem that Azure might be your best bet for hosting an MTA
    server, as their address blocks are pretty much clean. But the host pricing it about 30-40% higher than DigitalOcean.

    Heck, I'm on a ChicagoVPS box, one's $55/year, the other $12/year, and they showed clean on mxtoolbox. Color me surprised.




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