Hello everyone,

recently I started watching the series on Prime. Before I have been
listening to the audio book which appeared to be a totally different story line (although the story itself is the same).

Still it is not like the Star Trek I used to love (TNG, DS9, VOY) although
it has quite a lot of nostalgia moments.

What I always loved about "my" ST was that it showed a world that I wanted
to live in. And of course the exploring of new people, stars and
technologies among with ethical and philosophical implications.

Except for Picard both following Series were f*****g prequels. That I find opposing to the look at the future.

How did you percieve Picard?

Cheers,
Benjamin

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Benjamin Toussaint wrote to All <=-

Hello everyone,

recently I started watching the series on Prime. Before I have been listening to the audio book which appeared to be a totally different
story line (although the story itself is the same).

Still it is not like the Star Trek I used to love (TNG, DS9, VOY)
although it has quite a lot of nostalgia moments.

What I always loved about "my" ST was that it showed a world that I
wanted to live in. And of course the exploring of new people, stars and technologies among with ethical and philosophical implications.

Except for Picard both following Series were f*****g prequels. That I
find opposing to the look at the future.

How did you percieve Picard?

I gave Picard a try after downloading a torrent. After a few episodes I gave up. To me it is an empty shell of TNG. I would do a complete review but that would require a complete viewing of the season.

Like the reboot movies, the show is made for young people who grew up without Star Trek. The franchise is done with, if you ask me. At least I have the dvd collections of TOS, TNG, and DS9. I liked Voyager despite the rushed finale season.

During his promo tour of the talkshow circuit, Stewart said that the show would
be specifically written to combat Trump. I knew it was going to be a steaming pile of turds. I'm surprised he didn't cast DeNiro.

Star Trek died with Roddenberry.

Daniel Traechin

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I gave Picard a try after downloading a torrent. After a few episodes I

gave

up. To me it is an empty shell of TNG. I would do a complete review but

that

would require a complete viewing of the season.

I am still viewing it. I agree that it is not even close to what Star Trek TNG was like.
What I specifically loved about that was the exploring mission with few
self centered political issues or combat / battle scenes.
And that almost every single episode made sense on its own. Although streaming technology makes it impossible to miss an episode, it used to be like having one philosophical thought discussed within one episode.

Like the reboot movies, the show is made for young people who grew up
without Star Trek. The franchise is done with, if you ask me. At least I
have the dvd collections of TOS, TNG, and DS9. I liked Voyager despite

the

rushed finale season.

Yeah, I liked those as well. Enterprise has too much fighting and from
season 2 it started having a running plot through the whole show. But
still I liked watching it.
But ST - to me - has to be about future and optimism. I cannot find much
of that in Picard or any Prequel.

During his promo tour of the talkshow circuit, Stewart said that the

show

would be specifically written to combat Trump. I knew it was going to be

a

steaming pile of turds. I'm surprised he didn't cast DeNiro.

Trump is just an expression of losing a common ground of facts and the
impact of believing whatever is pleasant to believe. A sickness of many democracies nowadays. But something like the TNG series gave hope for a brighter future to many nerds out there.

Star Trek died with Roddenberry.

I would not go that far. But it completely went to the wrong direction I think.



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Benjamin Toussaint wrote to Daniel <=-

I gave Picard a try after downloading a torrent. After a few episodes I

gave

up. To me it is an empty shell of TNG. I would do a complete review but

that

would require a complete viewing of the season.

I am still viewing it. I agree that it is not even close to what Star
Trek TNG was like.
What I specifically loved about that was the exploring mission with few self centered political issues or combat / battle scenes.
And that almost every single episode made sense on its own. Although streaming technology makes it impossible to miss an episode, it used to
be like having one philosophical thought discussed within one episode.

I never caught Enterprise. I tried a few episodes and I couldn't get into
it. But the ship did look like an Akira class which rates as among a favorite type for me.

Plus, I didn't really like the cast.

Like the reboot movies, the show is made for young people who grew up without Star Trek. The franchise is done with, if you ask me. At least I have the dvd collections of TOS, TNG, and DS9. I liked Voyager despite

the

rushed finale season.

Yeah, I liked those as well. Enterprise has too much fighting and from season 2 it started having a running plot through the whole show. But still I liked watching it.
But ST - to me - has to be about future and optimism. I cannot find
much of that in Picard or any Prequel.

Yeah, it's generic sci-fi in Star Trek clothes.

During his promo tour of the talkshow circuit, Stewart said that the

show

would be specifically written to combat Trump. I knew it was going to be

a

steaming pile of turds. I'm surprised he didn't cast DeNiro.

Trump is just an expression of losing a common ground of facts and the impact of believing whatever is pleasant to believe. A sickness of many democracies nowadays. But something like the TNG series gave hope for a brighter future to many nerds out there.

Well, Stewart said it was his way of combatting Trump. He made it about
him and his hate and not about the fans. Interesting take you have, but I'm sure
this isn't a forum for political debate. So I'll keep it at that.

Star Trek died with Roddenberry.

I would not go that far. But it completely went to the wrong direction
I think.

I was just getting it off my chest.

Disney killed Star Wars and the passage of time killed Star Trek. My two loves of science fiction and fantasy are history.

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I never caught Enterprise. I tried a few episodes and I couldn't get into
it. But the ship did look like an Akira class which rates as among a
favorite type for me.

Plus, I didn't really like the cast.

I do not like prequels in general. The cast is something you need to get
used to, but still it was "more Star Trek-y" than anything else that came after it.

Discovery is as you say later "usual SciFi with Star Trek clothes".

Well, Stewart said it was his way of combatting Trump. He made it about
him and his hate and not about the fans. Interesting take you have, but I'm sure
this isn't a forum for political debate. So I'll keep it at that.

The original ST does have a lot of political statements related to the
time it was made. But instead of criticism against political actors, especially not specific ones, ST used to show a vision about better alternatives and kept the science within the fiction as "possible as possible".
This is probably the reason so many nerds and science people love it.

To me, dreaming about a better world and thinking how to achieve it has always been a way better attitude than ranting about the existing one.

I was just getting it off my chest.
Disney killed Star Wars and the passage of time killed Star Trek. My two loves of science fiction and fantasy are history.

Yes... we will likely have to accept, that "our" Star Trek might never
return again.

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Picard Season 1 comes out on DVD October 1st. It is on my DVD queue and when it comes out I'll put it on the top. Let's see how long it takes Netfilx to get the first disc to me. I don't know how many discs in the first season.

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Benjamin Toussaint wrote to Daniel <=-

I never caught Enterprise. I tried a few episodes and I couldn't get into it. But the ship did look like an Akira class which rates as among a favorite type for me.

Plus, I didn't really like the cast.

I do not like prequels in general. The cast is something you need to
get used to, but still it was "more Star Trek-y" than anything else
that came after it.

Valid point.

The original ST does have a lot of political statements related to the time it was made. But instead of criticism against political actors, especially not specific ones, ST used to show a vision about better alternatives and kept the science within the fiction as "possible as possible".
This is probably the reason so many nerds and science people love it.

Quite true. In my view, those 'statements' regarding political events or policies seemed to wax philosophical. They seemed to be intellectual exercise or
thought experiment on moral implications.

Think of the episode 'Who's watching the Watchers' from Season 3 of TNG. It was
a brilliant exercise on the long term manipulation of an entire people when they
mistake Picard for an ancient mythological god when the culture had long discarded their myths.

Picard took a stand by stating that in doing so, he would be erasing their achievement.

Quote: 'Millenia ago they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement. To send them back into the dark ages
of superstition and ignorance and fear? No.'

One of my favorite stands. But it discussed an important moral stand. In modern
day discussions, there are indigenous groups of human in various areas of the world who are uncontacted. There is a push to contact them and civilize them, while the local governments have banned such practices and allowing them to live
in peace.

To me, dreaming about a better world and thinking how to achieve it has always been a way better attitude than ranting about the existing one.

Totally.

Yes... we will likely have to accept, that "our" Star Trek might never return again.

mhm :(

Daniel Traechin

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The original ST does have a lot of political statements related to the BT>> time it was made. But instead of criticism against political actors,
especially not specific ones, ST used to show a vision about better
alternatives and kept the science within the fiction as "possible as
possible".
This is probably the reason so many nerds and science people love it.

Quite true. In my view, those 'statements' regarding political events or policies seemed to wax philosophical. They seemed to be intellectual
exercise or
thought experiment on moral implications.

Yes, but to me that made it so interesting and yet touchable. You could transfer it to any political system or society that you knew or lived in.

And you could identify with some values although taking opposite political positions.

Think of the episode 'Who's watching the Watchers' from Season 3 of TNG. It was a brilliant exercise on the long term manipulation of an entire people when they
mistake Picard for an ancient mythological god when the culture had long discarded their myths.
Picard took a stand by stating that in doing so, he would be erasing their achievement.

Quote: 'Millenia ago they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now
you are asking me to sabotage that achievement. To send them back into the dark ages
of superstition and ignorance and fear? No.'

Oh yes, that episode was brilliant! There are very few "untouched"
cultures left on Earth, but once we expand into space - or even when we rethink our relationship with former colonies and occupied countries, it
will give you a different perspective on the implications of what is done.

Yes... we will likely have to accept, that "our" Star Trek might never BT>> return again.

mhm :(

I remember 25 years ago, I was writing into a German ST board on FIDO,
that there was still hope for another season of Picard and his crew. And I really liked an idea for a time travel branch with Admiral Picard in
charge of a new "Time Fleet"...

That still would have been more star-treky than the show had become...

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