Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that offer
free mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):
protonmail.com Tutanota.com / tutanota.de mailfence.com
phxl wrote to All <=-
Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that offer
free mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):
protonmail.com
Tutanota.com / tutanota.de
mailfence.com
* mysudo.com
(not sure if encrypted but should be as they are a
burner/multiple id's per account service with free email but paid
burner phone #'s..
Another option is to run your own mailserver and use encryption :)
There's also hushmail.com which is a lot like protonmail
except hosted here in Canada. They offer a free tier and
paid upgrades.
Even though they're based in Canada they seem to charge
USD, which is a sore spot for me. Right now USD$49.98 =
CDN$60.24.
If you're based in Canada, stop ripping off fellow
Canadians. Charge Canadians in CAD and charge the rest of
the world in USD.
phxl wrote to N1uro <=-
This is very possible.. only the downside is you have to maintain and
run your own mailserver; and unless you have owned the domains and ip's for many many years you will find deliverability problems here and
there (especially with large providers). Also, if anything happens in your region will you have redundancy backup service so you don't lose important emails?
If you host on a VPS with a decent provider you can fair better and
then use a service such as Hoppy (a hosting vpn service aimed at just
this type of forwarding (meaning they don't block SMTP or allow abusive behaviors that get ip's blacklisted on major networks); but then you
end up spending WAAAY more than free email costs and significantly more than a paid email account with a provider costs, probably.
There's also hushmail.com which is a lot like protonmail
except hosted here in Canada. They offer a free tier and
paid upgrades.
I don't see a free option anywhere on their site.
Even though they're based in Canada they seem to charge
USD, which is a sore spot for me. Right now USD$49.98=
CDN$60.24.
Yeah.. seems ironic that a Canadian biz doesn't offer a fixed CDN
price as an option. But that's probably because they don't care
what country you're in. You sign up, with name, password, generate encryption keys, and go.
Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that offer free mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):
On 05-18-21 20:08, N1uro wrote to phxl <=-
phxl wrote to N1uro <=-
prior so that the sender knows mail can't get through... however if there's communication *that* important, there's a device called a telephone that alexander graham bell invented that works perfectly to
this day :) I tell my clients this all the time when they become too dependent on email. May sound a bit snarky but you can't argue fact.
My issue is that since my email address is so old, it's basically in almost every spamhouse db you can think of. I don't understand why the United Socialist States of America think it's fair I pay money for spammers to suck up my bandwidth with emails I don't want nor signed up for.
There's also a big push to eliminate SMTP. Some tech experts say that emails will be eliminated in a couple of years if not sooner. I'll actually believe that when I see it.
Oli wrote to phxl <=-
It doesn't matter that much. Most of emails conversations aren't
encrypted anyway. If you want an encrypted inbox, just retrieve mails
from the (webmail provider's) server and encrypt it at home. Use a mail client or browser plugin for PGP.
For really private stuff use p2p FTN Netmail over Tor Onion Service ;).
Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-
Some of us are difficult to reach by phone - first, I may not be able
to answer, and I don't use voicemail. :P Secondly, I may not have time
to deal with the call, certain times of day are no voice (or video) activity, and finding time to return a call is equally problematic. ;)
I'm a bit the same. ;)
Yeah I can't see that happening anytime soon.
there's communication *that* important, there's a device
called a telephone that alexander graham bell invented
that works perfectly to this day :) ...
Some of us are difficult to reach by phone - first, I may
not be able to answer, and I don't use voicemail. :P
Secondly, I may not have time to deal with the call,..
I don't understand why the United Socialist States of
America think it's fair I pay money for spammers to suck
up my bandwidth with emails I don't want nor signed up
for.
On 05-20-21 07:48, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I don't do voicemail either, at least on my cell. I get so much spam on that thing it's unreal... so I don't even set the mailbox up. Texting
is my preferred method of contact, email second, phone call 3rd. If 1&2
fail, try #3. I won't do Video! I'm a former radio DJ... video is TV
which I had no desire to do even back in the 70s.
What's a shame is they're supposed to give you an opt-out option by our laws but what they do is once you click it and verify you want out,
your email address is then sold to 50 others! The new trick that some
of the mail admins have been doing (and I've been doing it now for
years prior) is take an incoming email's IP, look up the CIDR block and firewall the whole darn block! Most of the larger offenders come from
data centers who don't give a hoot who they sell space to such as OV,
AWS (where Winlink is!) and others.
Yeah I can't see that happening anytime soon.
Me either. Too many businesses live on two apps:
deFacingBook and eMail. I can see the second app... NOT the first.
... Jamforx - The ability of cramming one more utensil in the
dishwasher --- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
On 05-20-21 07:05, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-
All the more reason to use voicemail. Afterall, it's simply the
audio version of offline email/echomail/qwk that you enjoy.
The onus seems to be on us to configure server-side filters as
best we can to block or discard emails that we don't want.
Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-
I just find it fiddly, you get a text, have to call back, get the
message, write down any details, delete the message, delete the text.
What a load of.... :D And all that only to leave a message on the
other person's voicemail! :D
Video for me is on the same level as a phone call. I do use video for telehealth, however.
That sometimes works, some use hijacked PCs on botnets too. More IP blocks to nuke. :)
On 05-21-21 07:12, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Or be like me and ignore everyone equally <G> Just don't delete
anything until you know you've responded.
Video for me is on the same level as a phone call. I do use video for telehealth, however.
I don't do video. A higher up in our military has told me that video is
a lot easier for those looking to cause bad intentions to crack into. I don't even have a camera on my PC, and I use electrician's tape to
cover those on my phones. If I can get into a phone, which my older
ones I can...I simply open them and take the cams out.
That sometimes works, some use hijacked PCs on botnets too. More IP blocks to nuke. :)
Absolutely. -j DROP then becomes my BFF.
... Veni, Vedi, VooDoo...I came, I saw, I put curse on somebody
Vk3jed wrote to N1uro <=-
WWell, you're not going to get an answer from me, if you manage to
leave voicemail. Chances I won't even know you did! :D
Absolutely. -j DROP then becomes my BFF.
A very useful friend! :D
On 05-22-21 12:52, N1uro wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Good luck leaving me one on my cell - I refuse to set the mailbox up
so it just tells you that it's not set up and hangs up on you <G>
"Look gang! It's Tony's favorite type of Voicemail box!" haha
Absolutely. -j DROP then becomes my BFF.
A very useful friend! :D
Sometimes too good of a friend, but better safe than sorry.
... Kidnapped - By Caesar Quick
Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that offer f mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):
It doesn't matter that much. Most of emails conversations aren't
encrypted anyway. If you want an encrypted inbox, just retrieve mails
from the (webmail provider's) server and encrypt it at home. Use a mail client or browser plugin for PGP.
For really private stuff use p2p FTN Netmail over Tor Onion Service ;).
On 20 May 2021, Oli said the following...
Here are a few supposed private/encrypted email providers that
offer f mailboxes (as well as paid plans of course):
It doesn't matter that much. Most of emails conversations aren't
encrypted anyway. If you want an encrypted inbox, just retrieve
mails from the (webmail provider's) server and encrypt it at home.
Use a mail client or browser plugin for PGP.
I have a slightly different take on it.
2.) I recommend Matrix - you can run your own Synapse matrix server if you like, it's pretty straight-forward, and a couple of good clients for both desktop and Android are SchildeChat and Element.
XMPP is good too if you're using OMEMO, on Android, Conversations or Conv6sations are good clients, and you have a lot of choices for desktop clients. I personally prefer Gajim.
I really don't care much for Signal, it leaks too much metadata, such as your DID (always) and it also shows when the remote party has displayed
the message on their device.
Plus, it's not distributed - it's set up as
a silo, although there's no reason why that really has to be, other than the forked project became unmaintained when Moxie expressed his disdain
for others repurposing his clients to use with other forks of Signal.
I also recommend that people run their own email servers - SMTP/IMAP/OpenDKIM/SpamAssasin/etc. The combo I like is Postfix with Dovecot. I do realize, however, that email is a complete mess to set up correctly out of the box nowadays, so you should have someone who is good at it do the install :) With DKIM, DMARC, SPF blah blah blah... Yah, nightmare, but once you set it up it's a dream to host your own domain's email services.
I don't think that using TOR lends itself to a respectible business impression, so I would definitely advise against it in the commonplace business world of communications - other than that of course... it
freakin' rocks!
^^^^^^^^^^^For really private stuff use p2p FTN Netmail over Tor Onion Service
;).
tallship wrote to Oli <=-
1.) Yes, encrypted email providers are a misnomer. I can't tell you how many people proudly boast that they have a protonmail account so their mail is encrypted.... Only to discover it isn't, because when they send messages outside the network it's in clear text, unless your keys have been added to each other's keyrings.
https://pgp.mit.edu is traditionally where I keep my keys available,
and it looks like sks-keyservers.net has been deprecated. I also take advantage of the proofs available via https://keybase.io
I use PGP keys all the time, but not always. I typically sign with my
keys so that the authenticity can be relatively assured, but for realy encrypted communications....
XMPP is good too if you're using OMEMO, on Android, Conversations or Conv6sations are good clients, and you have a lot of choices for
desktop clients. I personally prefer Gajim.
Anything from the Google Playstore should be considered
spyware - because it is.
For Desktop, Most of my customers use Thunderbird, as do I (conigured
with OpenPGP), There are a couple of other good email clients, but
Outlook isn't one of them.
I also recommend that people run their own email servers - SMTP/IMAP/OpenDKIM/SpamAssasin/etc. The combo I like is Postfix with Dovecot. I do realize, however, that email is a complete mess to set up correctly out of the box nowadays, so you should have someone who is
good at it do the install :) With DKIM, DMARC, SPF blah blah blah...
Yah, nightmare, but once you set it up it's a dream to host your own domain's email services.
I don't think that using TOR lends itself to a respectible business impression, so I would definitely advise against it in the commonplace business world of communications - other than that of course... it freakin' rocks!
I also recommend that people run their own email servers - SMTP/IMAP/OpenDKIM/SpamAssasin/etc. The combo I like is Postfix with Dovecot. I do realize, however, that email is a complete mess to set up
2.) I recommend Matrix - you can run your own Synapse matrix server if
you like, it's pretty straight-forward, and a couple of good clients for both desktop and Android are SchildeChat and Element.
2.) I recommend Matrix - you can run your own Synapse
matrix server if you like, it's pretty straight-forward,
and a couple of good clients for both desktop and Android
are SchildeChat and Element.
I've seen people advertising Matrix on BBSes. Curious if it
is the same [apache] matrix and how it is being used. A bit
of a context-switch here, but interested in the project, as
I've never used it.
Matrix is a resource hog. It only supports 64bit systems. I'm
on it as oggyman@matrix.org Just sitting idle, the prog
doesn't sit still; in about 15 minutes it will have eating up
16MB of data.
doesn't sit still; in about 15 minutes it will have eating up
16MB of data.
Nice, that is around 128 kbps. You could listen to a good quality audio stream at that rate.
tallship wrote to Oli <=-
I also recommend that people run their own email servers - SMTP/IMAP/OpenDKIM/SpamAssasin/etc. The combo I like is Postfix with Dovecot. I do realize, however, that email is a complete mess to set up correctly out of the box nowadays, so you should have someone who is
good at it do the install :) With DKIM, DMARC, SPF blah blah blah...
Yah, nightmare, but once you set it up it's a dream to host your own domain's email services.
I looked into running my own services recently. I ran my own services
from 1999 through 2006 or so, then went to a webhost/email combination. Been thinking about moving it in-house for a couple of reasons.
If only a VPS had an option to encrypt the filesystem of a remote
system, that would rock.
https://thehelm.com/
I've been eyeing these guys up, but I need someone smarter than me to tell me all about it & whether/how it works.
There's also a US$99 /year subscription cost.
So.. you buy this box for 256GB/512GB/1TB for $199 (it looks
like it's the same price for any capacity) Is it a spinning
HDD, or SDD?
Do they provision a way to do a backup/restore of what's on the
box?
I dunno, but it seems that any privacy that you might like to
assume that you gain from their server, would be neutered
unless everyone you are interested in maintaining privacy with
has the same Helm service.
Is the subscription cost worth it?
On 01 Jun 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...
I looked into running my own services recently. I ran my own
services from 1999 through 2006 or so, then went to a
webhost/email combination. Been thinking about moving it in-house
for a couple of reasons.
If only a VPS had an option to encrypt the filesystem of a remote
system, that would rock.
https://thehelm.com/
I've been eyeing these guys up, but I need someone smarter than me to
tell me all about it & whether/how it works.
The idea behind this service is you have the box in your house which
acts as the email server. Since residential IPs often are blocked for email services this box makes a VPN connection to their servers which
do all the email connections on their side.
They say they can't see any of your email traffic passing through this
VPN connection, which I guess could be the case for any TLS encrypted traffic.
The local hard drive is encrypted so if someone steals the device they can't access the data on it. You can use your own domain names which
is a plus, but there is no webmail which is kind of a deal-breaker for
me.
There's also a US$99 /year subscription cost.
it looks like an overpriced regular NAS. i don't really see the
difference. anyway, if you want security, build your own *nix/bsd
machine with these capabilities.
So.. you buy this box for 256GB/512GB/1TB for $199 (it looks
like it's the same price for any capacity) Is it a spinning
HDD, or SDD?
On my browser the prices are:
256GB: $199
512GB: $249
1TB: $349
On the specs page it notes: NVMe SSD storage
I dunno, but it seems that any privacy that you might
like to assume that you gain from their server, would be
neutered unless everyone you are interested in
maintaining privacy with has the same Helm service.
No different than emailing anyone else outside of your own
domain. This solution seems to be marketed with the scare
tactic that large email providers are reading your messages
and targeting you with ads.
Warpslide wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
https://thehelm.com/
I've been eyeing these guys up, but I need someone smarter than me to
tell me all about it & whether/how it works.
The idea behind this service is you have the box in your house which
acts as the email server. Since residential IPs often are blocked for email services this box makes a VPN connection to their servers which
do all the email connections on their side.
acn wrote to Daniel Path <=-
While you are absolutely right in the first place, if you want this machine to be in your house and you're using a regular internet connection, you won't be able to send out many mails as most mail
servers won't accept mails coming from "home user" IP addresses because
of all the windows users with malware on their system.
So you would either need a "corporate" IP address, a VPN to a server somewhere else or something like that.
I'm using a VPS in the first place as my mail server, and the cost for this server is also ~ 100 EUR per year.
Hello Oli!
** On Wednesday 02.06.21 - 07:05, Oli wrote to Ogg:
doesn't sit still; in about 15 minutes it will have eating up
16MB of data.
Nice, that is around 128 kbps. You could listen to a good quality
audio stream at that rate.
But with a 5GB/mo data limit on my mobile data plan before
getting throttled down, that won't last too long.
While you are absolutely right in the first place, if you want this
machine to be in your house and you're using a regular internet
connection, you won't be able to send out many mails as most mail
servers won't accept mails coming from "home user" IP addresses because ac>> of all the windows users with malware on their system.
I wonder if setting DKIM and SPF on a home IP would mitigate that or if they just block home IP networks.
I used a paid mail redirection service for several years with my BBS - you configure them as primary MX for your domain and they transfer mail to you over an alternate port. It worked well and was $30/year - plus they provided DNS services.
Those cheap specials on lowendbox.com would work fine for mail services or anything else not interactive; I had one with 40 gb of disk, 512 MB of RAM and one core for 9$USD/year. I shouldn't have let it lapse at that price.
While you are absolutely right in the first place, if you want this ac>> machine to be in your house and you're using a regular internet ac>> connection, you won't be able to send out many mails as most mail ac>> servers won't accept mails coming from "home user" IP addresses because ac>> of all the windows users with malware on their system.
acn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
At least my server just blocks those networks because of the Spamhaus
ZEN blacklist (https://www.spamhaus.org/zen/) which is a meta-blacklist that includes their PBL blacklist (https://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/).
"The Spamhaus PBL is a DNSBL database of end-user IP address ranges
which should not be delivering unauthenticated SMTP email to any
Internet mail server except those provided for specifically by an ISP
for that customer's use."
And afaik the ZEN blacklist is in widespread use.
pokeswithastick wrote to acn <=-
I`d recommend the tunnel to VPS approach for running services locally
(at home) but exposing them to the world via an encrypted tunnel to a cheap VPS. My BBS works this way - the DNS entry resolves to a DO
droplet but the actual physical location is a raspberry pi behind a
book shelf in my house.
pokeswithastick wrote to acn <=-
I`d recommend the tunnel to VPS approach for running services
locally (at home) but exposing them to the world via an encrypted
tunnel to a cheap VPS. My BBS works this way - the DNS entry
resolves to a DO droplet but the actual physical location is a
raspberry pi behind a book shelf in my house.
Sounds like a good plan. What are you using to forward traffic from DO to your home IP?
Sounds like a good plan. What are you using to forward traffic from DO to
your home IP?
But with a 5GB/mo data limit on my mobile data plan before
getting throttled down, that won't last too long.
4 days and then it would fill your throttled connection.
Are you're sure it consumes that much bandwidth? How many
channels do you read? Are there images posted?
I've seen people advertising Matrix on BBSes. Curious if it is the same [apache] matrix and how it is being used. A bit of a context-switch
here, but interested in the project, as I've never used it.
On 01-19-22 23:26, MeaTLoTioN wrote to Lightman <=-
I've seen people advertising Matrix on BBSes. Curious if it is the same [apache] matrix and how it is being used. A bit of a context-switch
here, but interested in the project, as I've never used it.
Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a
join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw
Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a
join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw
Matrix is kinda like the best bits of IRC and the best bits of
discord, with none of the bad bits (I could be way off) plus it's decentralised, end to end encrypted, and you can code your own apps to
use within it. I have made a qUAntUm RaDio app and a bbs announcer app
for our matrix community.
Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw
Matrix is kinda like the best bits of IRC and the best bits of
discord, with none of the bad bits (I could be way off) plus it's decentralised, end to end encrypted, and you can code your own apps to use within it. I have made a qUAntUm RaDio app and a bbs announcer app for our matrix community.
I'm loving the tqw/Matrix community. Thanks for running this, ML!
On 01-21-22 04:22, aLPHA wrote to MeaTLoTioN <=-
I'm loving the tqw/Matrix community. Thanks for running this, ML!
Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a
join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw
Renagademaster wrote to MeaTLoTioN <=-
Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a
join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw
Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw
I can't seem to join with this link, new to matrix, can I be invited
@renagademaster:matrix.org
Renagademaster wrote to MeaTLoTioN <=-
Why don't you come and have a look at our matrix community. Here's a join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw
I wasn't able to join using this link, would love to take a look
around and use Matrix more -- @poindexter:matrix.org
join link; https://matrix.to/#/#tqwnet:matrix.erb.pw
I just invited you, hopefully you'll get the invite and come jump on in
=)
MeaTLoTioN wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I just invited you, hopefully you'll get the invite and can jump on in
=)
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