Am 07.07.22 schrieb Bex@21:1/137 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo Bex,

I've been wondering how the BBS packages and utilities run - are
they console or GUI? My initial thought would be to run it
headless, like any other server, but if the software only runs in a x11/wayland/etc then that point is moot.

I'm using Synchronet for my BBS, and it's running on an old Igel Thin
Client which doesn't have a screen attached :)

The BBS daemons do run as background services on my Devuan GNU/Linux
system and I can manage everything via SSH - no need for any GUI
programs here.

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.56
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I always tell my f&f not to upgrade to a new version of Windows for at least six months to a year. Previous Windows versions seem to be able
to function well for quite a while, and 12 months gives Microsoft
time to iron out the worst issues in a new version.

Chuckle, I almost live by this, still on 7, and didn't move to 7 until XP was so obsolete as to be in the grave. :) Only used anything later in other locations where its already installed.

Spec


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Chuckle, I almost live by this, still on 7, and didn't move to 7 until
XP was so obsolete as to be in the grave. :) Only used anything later
in other locations where its already installed.

I wish I could get 7 on one of my other laptops. Apparently it was made right after win10 came out, and there are no win7 drivers officially available.

Haven't gone through the "dig all over the net" process yet, though.

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it down my throat about how great their boards are and mine is quaint. Mystic and Synchronet on Linux are wonderful - except DOS doors don't
work without convoluted nonsense or "doorparty"... I don't want to join
a party.

I'm well behind on messages (again), but I was entertained by this paragraph.

Mostly because I expect that most everything I do with BBSing stuff will involve some level of convoluted nonsense.

E.g., try changing the order of message bases in Mystic. It makes a certain amount of sense, and I did not understand how to do it until someone brought
it up in a message.

And, while Mystic and Synchronet make life a _lot_ easier for things like setting up networks and whatnot (and a variety of things that doubtlessly
were _way_ more of a pain back in 2000), there's generally _something_ that requires looking up a guide to make it happen.

But I do things like make 80x23 ANSI graphics for fun, and I do enjoy a bit
of coding, so all this seems basically normal.

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Of course if I'm paying periodically to use the product then it's fair enough for the vendor to discontinue the product - with appropriate
notice - at the end of the period. Sadly this seems to be the in thing these days, and I hate it.

Ugh. I'm with you on that.

I still use Eudora as an e-mail client, and that's so old that it's owned by the Computer History Museum.

But with some hacks to make the security reasonable (stunnel is a
requirement, these days) and the knowledge that having "Eudora" as the listed client ups messages on spam lists, it _still works_. And I can still periodically backup my e-mail by copying off a bunch of text files that, if everything broke but the text files, I could write my own parser.

Do I trust that Gmail or Office365 will exist in 20 years? Or that I'll be
able to use things without paying for them? Not really, no.

Will Eudora still work? Probably. Unless technology marches on a bit too far.

But, having said that, I purchase every DLC for Age of Empires II, because I want them to continue supporting it. Well, and I like the DLC. But even if it were terrible DLC...

But I'd draw the line at a monthly fee, because it changes the incentives too much.

And I think Jetbrains hits a nice happy medium. I keep my subscription to
their IDEs up to date, but if I didn't, I'd still have a license for older versions.

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On 13 Jul 22 20:03:35, Adept said the following to Atreyu:

I'm well behind on messages (again), but I was entertained by this paragraph

Mostly because I expect that most everything I do with BBSing stuff will involve some level of convoluted nonsense.

I spent most of the early to mid 90's learning all the convoluted nonsense of running Renegade and doors and networks, etc... UUCP gated email, Planet connect, you name it. Multi-line operation, subscribers, keeping up with all the latest warez of the time and whatever.

After an honest reflection on the whole hobby of it all, I conclude that
maybe I outgrew the long nights of tinkering, messing around with an OS
or experimenting with anything newer than what I run for a board.

I have a successful career in IT, at least I think so... but coming home from work I'm dead tired and mentally exhausted, just want to have a cold beer and relax without dealing with any tech problems.

Once any techie thing of mine is configured and working up to my satisfaction its mostly left alone. I built a home rack with commercial-grade routing, switches, servers, mesh-Wifi, UPS, proper redundant backups, the works.

Plus I raise a kid on my own... so tech stuff is very low on priorities here.

Atreyu

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Re: Re: Old computer
By: Adept to Atreyu on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:03 pm

Mostly because I expect that most everything I do with BBSing stuff will involve some level of convoluted nonsense.

I'm here for the nonsense - been trying to get my board working right since 1991. The moment everything works as it should, I'll turn it off and move on to creating a new blockchain made of grey nano-goo.
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Re: Re: Old computer
By: Adept to tassiebob on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:11 pm

I still use Eudora as an e-mail client, and that's so old that it's owned by the Computer History Museum.

eudora.wav is my new mail notification sound.

I used to use an old version of Eudora on the BBS, but I changed ports and it's so old it can't talk to ports besides 25/110. We used it at a company I supported, were able to push out company address books, and if it borked, the messages were all in plaintext.

Simpler times.
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Re: Re: Old computer
By: Atreyu to Adept on Wed Jul 13 2022 06:47 pm

I have a successful career in IT, at least I think so... but coming home from work I'm dead tired and mentally exhausted, just want to have a cold beer and relax without dealing with any tech problems.

When I come home, I just want to have a cold beer and lose myself in my own tech problems - at least they're surmountable. Tweaking the BBS? Fun. Dealing with home wifi issues, not so much. :)
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On 13 Jul 22 16:51:51, Poindexter Fortran said the following to Atreyu:

When I come home, I just want to have a cold beer and lose myself in my own tech problems - at least they're surmountable. Tweaking the BBS? Fun. Deali with home wifi issues, not so much. :)

I'm a huge fan of Aruba... their stuff "just works".

Atreyu

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Adept wrote to tassiebob <=-

Of course if I'm paying periodically to use the product then it's fair enough for the vendor to discontinue the product - with appropriate
notice - at the end of the period. Sadly this seems to be the in thing these days, and I hate it.

Ugh. I'm with you on that.

I still use Eudora as an e-mail client, and that's so old that it's
owned by the Computer History Museum.

But with some hacks to make the security reasonable (stunnel is a requirement, these days) and the knowledge that having "Eudora" as the listed client ups messages on spam lists, it _still works_. And I can still periodically backup my e-mail by copying off a bunch of text
files that, if everything broke but the text files, I could write my
own parser.

Do I trust that Gmail or Office365 will exist in 20 years? Or that I'll
be able to use things without paying for them? Not really, no.

Will Eudora still work? Probably. Unless technology marches on a bit
too far.

When was Eudora last updated? Does it even work with modern versions of Windows?

I don't think I've ever used it, but new clients have so many cool features to pass up.


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Re: Re: Old computer
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Atreyu on Wed Jul 13 2022 04:51 pm

When I come home, I just want to have a cold beer and lose myself in my own tech problems - at least they're
surmountable. Tweaking the BBS? Fun. Dealing with home wifi issues, not so much. :)

I'm starting to tinker more with meatspace machines. A wrench and some WD-40 is much more relaxing than hours of looking through documentation.
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I used to use an old version of Eudora on the BBS, but I changed ports
and it's so old it can't talk to ports besides 25/110. We used it at a company I supported, were able to push out company address books, and if it borked, the messages were all in plaintext.

...that's what stunnel is for. :)

What'd you move to? And did it actually improve upon the Eudora experience
for you?

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When was Eudora last updated? Does it even work with modern versions of Windows?

I run it on Win10, with stunnel to handle the bits involving talking to the internet.

I guess 7.1 was released in 2006. I'm not really sure what version 8.0 of Eudora is, nor if Eudora Open Source Edition (from 2010) was useful or interesting.

And I guess Project HERMES now exists, that was based off of the Eudora
source code. But that hasn't seen an update in two years.

I don't think I've ever used it, but new clients have so many cool features to pass up.

Like what?

It's possible that I'm missing various things, but while I use Outlook at
work, I can't say there's much there that I appreciate more than having my e-mail databases in plain text.

But I do mean that question seriously; it's possible that I should give up on Eudora. I just haven't heard about any tempting features.

Unlike, oh, browsers, where the closest I'll get to an old browser is using frogfind.com or 68k.news. But I use those because lots of the internet would
be better in plain text, not because I want to experience Netscape 1.0.

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I run it on Win10, with stunnel to handle the bits involving talking to the internet.

I guess 7.1 was released in 2006. I'm not really sure what version 8.0 of Eudora is, nor if Eudora Open Source Edition (from 2010) was useful or interesting.

And I guess Project HERMES now exists, that was based off of the Eudora source code. But that hasn't seen an update in two years.

I did get my e-mail working, sort of, with DOS, but just for kicks and giggles.

I don't think I've ever used it, but new clients have so many cool features to pass up.

Like what?

It's possible that I'm missing various things, but while I use Outlook at work, I can't say there's much there that I appreciate more than having
my e-mail databases in plain text.

But I do mean that question seriously; it's possible that I should give
up on Eudora. I just haven't heard about any tempting features.

Unlike, oh, browsers, where the closest I'll get to an old browser is using frogfind.com or 68k.news. But I use those because lots of the internet would be better in plain text, not because I want to experience Netscape 1.0.

Depends on what you are looking for. For me, I like the GPG integration that comes with Thunderbird and Claws-Mail. The GPG intergration in Claws-Mail is better. I also use Mutt, which is extensible.

Anyway, I like having my e-mails stored on disk in a format which allows me to go through them with other tools. Storing the e-mails in a standard maildir format allows me to use other tools to search through them or manipulate them. So I can view them with the GUI in Claws-Mail, but if I SSH in, I can still use mutt to access those saved on disk. I also like the fact with Mutt I can use my own custom editor, which is Emacs, to compose an e-mail. This gives me the awesome power of Emacs in my e-mail client.

I use a plugin to export the messages after a while to HTML pages, all indexed, so I can archive my e-mails as items in a web page that you can just click through.

These probably won't matter to you, and I admit they are kind of niche advantages, but for me what I like most of all, is being able to disentangle my e-mails from any particular client quite easily.

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On Wed Jul 13 23:02:00 2022, Atreyu wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

On 13 Jul 22 16:51:51, Poindexter Fortran said the following to Atreyu:

When I come home, I just want to have a cold beer and lose myself in my own
tech problems - at least they're surmountable. Tweaking the BBS? Fun. Deali
with home wifi issues, not so much. :)

I'm a huge fan of Aruba... their stuff "just works".

Also not a bad place to be at any time. ;)

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Unlike, oh, browsers, where the closest I'll get to an old browser is using frogfind.com or 68k.news. But I use those because lots of the internet would be better in plain text, not because I want to experience Netscape 1.0.

You know sometimes I use lynx or elinks (on Linux) just to get the text myself. I have no idea if those are available to Windows.

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Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

What'd you move to? And did it actually improve upon the Eudora
experience for you?

I left that company, and the new company was running WordPerfect office - an app that tied for Lotus Notes for bloat. Then again, LAN-based email systems were all like that.

I then landed at another tech company that one of my guys from my original Eudora install had worked for, and they were running Eudora, too.

After that, it was all Exchange.


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On 02 Jul 2022 at 02:39p, TALIADON pondered and said...

As far as Apple are concerned, I stand by my previous statement: Apple took BSD and turned it into the only commercially viable "Linux" desktop available today. It has the solid back-end we've come to expect from Linux, and so it's capable of much the same thing. As for M$, I think
you have to see the full stack in action to truly appreciate how good their technology is - if you're encumbered with the basic packages then other avenues are likely to present themselves as more amenable
solutions.

Actually, I'd push back a bit here: I'd offer that Android does
that, perhaps even better than Apple.

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Spectre wrote to Bex <=-

least six months to a year. Previous Windows versions seem to be able
to function well for quite a while, and 12 months gives Microsoft

Chuckle, I almost live by this, still on 7, and didn't move to 7 until
XP was so obsolete as to be in the grave. :) Only used anything later
in other locations where its already installed.

That is dedication! Windows 7 was the best version of Windows, IMHO, but I think it's pretty far past itse Use By date.



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- Bex <3

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That is dedication! Windows 7 was the best version of Windows, IMHO, but I think it's pretty far past itse Use By date.

I don't have anything that requires anything later, but by the time I finally dropped XP there were things I needed 7 for. I s'pose I can move along to the next obsolete OS.... Win 8.. but I'm loathe to have anything to do with 8..

Spec


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Actually, I'd push back a bit here: I'd offer that Android does
that, perhaps even better than Apple.

Android certainly has Linux roots, and there's no arguing that it's commercially viable, but is it really a complete x11 desktop environment?

Admittedly, I don't really know a thing about Android - I always preferred the software/hardware synergy of Apple's offerings - so you may well be right.

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TALIADON wrote to tenser <=-

Actually, I'd push back a bit here: I'd offer that Android does
that, perhaps even better than Apple.

Android certainly has Linux roots, and there's no arguing that it's commercially viable, but is it really a complete x11 desktop
environment?

Maybe not out of the box, but there are some interesting experiments. I had
a rooted android phone, and was able to run a full distro in a chroot'ed
jail, using Android's Linux kernel.

Ran VNC server in the Linux instance, and was able to run a full windows environment locally on the phone using an Android VNC client, or run it from my desktop. It was an interesting experiment in taking your environment with you.

I don't know if there's an RDP protocol server for Linux (I think there is), but that would be ideal - use any standard Windows environment to access a desktop environment that fits in your pocket...


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Spectre wrote to Bex <=-

least six months to a year. Previous Windows versions seem to be able
to function well for quite a while, and 12 months gives Microsoft

Chuckle, I almost live by this, still on 7, and didn't move to 7 until
XP was so obsolete as to be in the grave. :) Only used anything later
in other locations where its already installed.

That is dedication! Windows 7 was the best version of Windows, IMHO, but I think it's pretty far past itse Use By date.



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On 18 Jul 2022 at 01:01p, TALIADON pondered and said...

Actually, I'd push back a bit here: I'd offer that Android does
that, perhaps even better than Apple.

Android certainly has Linux roots, and there's no arguing that it's commercially viable, but is it really a complete x11 desktop environment?

Admittedly, I don't really know a thing about Android - I always
preferred the software/hardware synergy of Apple's offerings - so you
may well be right.

Oh no, it's not. But neither is the Mac (at least not without
installing an X11 server, like XQuartz). However, the Android
kernel is Linux, and the user experience and interface are
quite nice. Similarly with ChromeOS: Linux kernel, with a very
different userspace. The critical observation here is that
many use-cases are perfectly adequately served by a web browser.

It's curious how the world keeps reinventing the 3270 and VTAM.

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On Mon Jul 18 00:00:00 2022, SPECTRE(21:3/101) wrote to bex <=-

I don't have anything that requires anything later, but by the time I finally
dropped XP there were things I needed 7 for. I s'pose I can move along to the
next obsolete OS.... Win 8.. but I'm loathe to have anything to do with 8..

My old 11 year old laptop I sent to the recycling center in the sky, could not suipport SSD drives. If it was able to handle a SSD drive, it could handle Windows 10 at least. But Windows 10 was so freaing sluggish and I ended up giving up for a Dell Ryzen laptop of 2021 vintage.

The G15 5515 has windows 11, but I will get used to that clusterfeck it is.


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8.. My old 11 year old laptop I sent to the recycling center in the
sky, could not suipport SSD drives. If it was able to handle a SSD

So I have to ask, seeing as SSD's just look like standard SATA interfaces why couldn't it handle one? Tres Strange...

Spec


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Hi Spec,

8.. My old 11 year old laptop I sent to the recycling center in
the sky, could not suipport SSD drives. If it was able to handle a
SSD

So I have to ask, seeing as SSD's just look like standard SATA
interfaces why couldn't it handle one? Tres Strange...

Some controller chips just don't like SSD's. I have a LSI controller
here, that can only support hard drives. It see's the SSD is happer to
write data to it ect, but after some time it start's generating errors
like mad. I've also seen some that will only address a certian max TB
size of drive.

Put the SSd on a standard controller (ie: mb) and run the software diag
from the maker of the drive and it reports no error's at all.



\/orlon
aka
Stephen


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Android certainly has Linux roots, and there's no arguing that it's commercially viable, but is it really a complete x11 desktop environment?

Admittedly, I don't really know a thing about Android - I always
preferred the software/hardware synergy of Apple's offerings - so you
may well be right.

Not by default, but you can get X for Android.

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Am 18.07.22 schrieb poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo poindexter,

I don't know if there's an RDP protocol server for Linux (I think there is), but that would be ideal - use any standard Windows environment to access a desktop environment that fits in your pocket...

There is xrdp. I'm running it on a machine here and can connect to it
via RDP, eg. from Guacamole or KRDC (KDE remote desktop client), or
from Windows mstsc.exe

Regards,
Anna

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BY: Spectre(21:3/101)

So I have to ask, seeing as SSD's just look like standard SATA
interfaces why
couldn't it handle one? Tres Strange...

The Bios couldnt handle it.


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Some controller chips just don't like SSD's. I have a LSI controller
here, that can only support hard drives. It see's the SSD is happer to write data to it ect, but after some time it start's generating errors like mad. I've also seen some that will only address a certian max TB
size of drive.

Sizing makes sense, just like the old 500Mb bios limit.. I'm somewhat
surprised at the chipsets not liking them though. Despite the mish mash of semi antique equipment I have, I've never come across the problem before.

Spec


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acn wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

There is xrdp. I'm running it on a machine here and can connect to it
via RDP, eg. from Guacamole or KRDC (KDE remote desktop client), or
from Windows mstsc.exe

I'll look into this. I hate VNC, and would love to standardize on one client for Windows and Linux hosts.

Thanks for the pointer.


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Spectre wrote to vorlon <=-

Sizing makes sense, just like the old 500Mb bios limit.. I'm somewhat surprised at the chipsets not liking them though. Despite the mish
mash of semi antique equipment I have, I've never come across the
problem before.

I had a PATA SSD that, surprisingly, worked on an IBM (not Lenovo) Thinkpad from 2004.


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There is xrdp. I'm running it on a machine here and can connect to it via RDP, eg. from Guacamole or KRDC (KDE remote desktop client), or from Windows mstsc.exe

I'll look into this. I hate VNC, and would love to standardize on one client for Windows and Linux hosts.

Thanks for the pointer.

I've run xrdp on both my raspberry pi and a laptop running Ubuntu. I've connected to both via rdp on my win10 desktop and win11 laptop. The only issue I've run into on Ubuntu is I cannot be logged in when trying to connect from somewhere else. If I log out and keep Ubuntu running I can get in fine. It's not an issue with my raspberry. I've read it's an Ubuntu issue.

ogg

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I'll look into this. I hate VNC, and would love to standardize on one client for Windows and Linux hosts.

Here, here!

Thanks for the pointer.

Indeed, this is something I look forward to experimenting with as well. Thanks to OP.

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Hi Spec,

Some controller chips just don't like SSD's. I have a LSI

[...]

controller like mad. I've also seen some that will only address a certian max TB size of drive.

Sizing makes sense, just like the old 500Mb bios limit..

Yep. 2Tb drive's hadn't been invented yet when that controller was made.
The max was around the 800Mb/1Tb size back then.

I'm somewhat surprised at the chipsets not liking them though. Despite
the mish mash of semi antique equipment I have, I've never come across
the problem before.

I have, and with the amount of hardware that's gone past my hands I'm not supprised at all.

It's just the like transition from IDE to Sata.. At first it was like a translation thing, and then sata bacame solid and and standard.




\/orlon
aka
Stephen


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On 19 Jul 2022, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

I'll look into this. I hate VNC, and would love to standardize on one client for Windows and Linux hosts.

Thanks for the pointer.

I know network chuck just did a video on something like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvS2M5knOw&list=LL&index=29

Might be worht checking out.

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On 19 Jul 2022, ogg said the following...

I've run xrdp on both my raspberry pi and a laptop running Ubuntu. I've connected to both via rdp on my win10 desktop and win11 laptop. The
only issue I've run into on Ubuntu is I cannot be logged in when trying
to connect from somewhere else. If I log out and keep Ubuntu running I can get in fine. It's not an issue with my raspberry. I've read it's an Ubuntu issue.

I'm lazy so I use AnyDesk

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claw wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I know network chuck just did a video on something like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvS2M5knOw&list=LL&index=29

Can't trust him. He slurps his coffee.


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to claw <=-

I know network chuck just did a video on something like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvS2M5knOw&list=LL&index=29

Can't trust him. He slurps his coffee.

Agreed. I found his mannerisms quite annoying generally. It was like
he was trying too hard to be cute/funny.


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Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

poindexter FORTRAN wrote to claw <=-

I know network chuck just did a video on something like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvS2M5knOw&list=LL&index=29

Can't trust him. He slurps his coffee.

Agreed. I found his mannerisms quite annoying generally. It was like
he was trying too hard to be cute/funny.

I do appreciate his enthusiasm, he combines entertainment with a love of
what he does, and I've gotten some inspiration for my own homelab along the way.


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

I know network chuck just did a video on something like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvS2M5knOw&list=LL&index=29

Can't trust him. He slurps his coffee.

Agreed. I found his mannerisms quite annoying generally. It was like
he was trying too hard to be cute/funny.

I do appreciate his enthusiasm, he combines entertainment with a
love of what he does, and I've gotten some inspiration for my own
homelab along the way.

Haha, he does indeed have plenty of enthusiasm! I may give him a
re-visit. :-)



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Maybe not out of the box, but there are some interesting experiments. I had a rooted android phone, and was able to run a full distro in a chroot'ed jail, using Android's Linux kernel.

Ran VNC server in the Linux instance, and was able to run a full windows environment locally on the phone using an Android VNC client, or run it from my desktop. It was an interesting experiment in taking your environment with you.

As I say, I don't really know a thing about Android, but it certainly appears to have a few more tricks than the phone OS I took it for.

I don't know if there's an RDP protocol server for Linux (I think there is), but that would be ideal - use any standard Windows environment to access a desktop environment that fits in your pocket...

I could certainly find a use for that!

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Oh no, it's not. But neither is the Mac (at least not without
installing an X11 server, like XQuartz). However, the Android
kernel is Linux, and the user experience and interface are
quite nice. Similarly with ChromeOS: Linux kernel, with a very
different userspace. The critical observation here is that
many use-cases are perfectly adequately served by a web browser.

Agreed: neither are strictly X11 out of the box, but I was alluding more to the practicality/functionality of running each platform within their respective X11 environments.

From other comments recently posted on the subject, the Android platform appears to offer a lot more functionality than I gave it credit for.

It's curious how the world keeps reinventing the 3270 and VTAM.

LOL, you've noticed that too? Truth be told, whatever the idea, Big Blue usually has an earlier manifestation logged in the annals of history.

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Not by default, but you can get X for Android.

From the other comments posted here, this certainly appears to be the case. What's more, it's far more viable than I'd previously thought.

I quite like the idea of having Linux in my pocket, so I may even splash out on an Android phone and have a play :)

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On 23 Jul 2022, TALIADON said the following...

From the other comments posted here, this certainly appears to be the case. What's more, it's far more viable than I'd previously thought.

I quite like the idea of having Linux in my pocket, so I may even splash out on an Android phone and have a play :)

I love android, however if your main goal is to have Linux in the phone just put a bootloader in it and install ARM based Linux on it. If you actually still need it as a phone there are plenty to choose from if you don't need it to be a phone there are tons of distros.

If you don't already have a phone for this and are shopping buy one that is made for and comes with Linux on it.

https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
or
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
or maybe
https://www.fxtec.com/pro1x
then there is
https://volla.online/en/
not to forget
https://www.fairphone.com/en/

The cool thing is its a phone that works like a computer. You can install which ever OS you want on these.

Here are some phone based distros.

postmarketOS (Based on Alpine Linux)
UBports (Ubuntu Touch)
Mobian (Debian for mobiles)
Tizen (supported by The Linux Foundation)
KaiOS (based on Firefox OS)
Maemo (Debian)
ExpidusOS (Void Linux)
PureOSPlasma
MobileNemo
MobileNixOS

I'm sure there are tons more. It's been a while since I looked on to replacing boot loaders and the like on these. If you want an Android phone and the easy freedom to do what you want get a OnePlus phone. They let you root your phone. Its a check box in the settings. they see it as well you own your phone and as long as you know you won't get support once you mess it up. :D

Hope this helps someone.

Enjoy

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I love android, however if your main goal is to have Linux in the phone just put a bootloader in it and install ARM based Linux on it. If you actually still need it as a phone there are plenty to choose from if you don't need it to be a phone there are tons of distros.

If you don't already have a phone for this and are shopping buy one that is made for and comes with Linux on it.

https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
or
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
or maybe
https://www.fxtec.com/pro1x
then there is
https://volla.online/en/
not to forget
https://www.fairphone.com/en/

The cool thing is its a phone that works like a computer. You can
install which ever OS you want on these.

Here are some phone based distros.

postmarketOS (Based on Alpine Linux)
UBports (Ubuntu Touch)
Mobian (Debian for mobiles)
Tizen (supported by The Linux Foundation)
KaiOS (based on Firefox OS)
Maemo (Debian)
ExpidusOS (Void Linux)
PureOSPlasma
MobileNemo
MobileNixOS

I'm sure there are tons more. It's been a while since I looked on to replacing boot loaders and the like on these. If you want an Android phone and the easy freedom to do what you want get a OnePlus phone.
They let you root your phone. Its a check box in the settings. they
see it as well you own your phone and as long as you know you won't get support once you mess it up. :D

Hope this helps someone.

Enjoy

I tried to put LineageOS, but found it was more complicated, having to unlock the bootloader and such. I cannot recall whether it turned out not to be feasible for this phone or not, or whether I decided not to take the risk.

In the end, I found that the OS preinstalled had a pretty good ultra-power saving mode that I wasn't sure the other OS's would be able to duplicate,and I realised that I just wanted a phone, not a computer. Running a full Linux desktop is cool and all, but what I NEED is phone and message functionality, and if that is compromised, what is the point? Long battery life and reliable telephony is critical, and all the other stuff, web browsing, GPG, SSH client, I could already do.

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I tried to put LineageOS, but found it was more complicated, having to unlock the bootloader and such. I cannot recall whether it turned out
not to be feasible for this phone or not, or whether I decided not to
take the risk.

In the end, I found that the OS preinstalled had a pretty good
ultra-power saving mode that I wasn't sure the other OS's would be able
to duplicate,and I realised that I just wanted a phone, not a computer. Running a full Linux desktop is cool and all, but what I NEED is phone
and message functionality, and if that is compromised, what is the
point? Long battery life and reliable telephony is critical, and all
the other stuff, web browsing, GPG, SSH client, I could already do.

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the Linux phones do look awesome. Dock for full desktop experience.

But I do like my phone with android in it. doubt that will change anytime
soon. Wouldn't mind a Linux for playing around with. Just not my main phone.

We will see the world seems to be shifting away from corporate control.

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I love android, however if your main goal is to have Linux in the phone just put a bootloader in it and install ARM based Linux on it. If you actually still need it as a phone there are plenty to choose from if you don't need it to be a phone there are tons of distros.

I'm happy with my iPhone for calls/texting, so it would really be an exercise in getting Linux into my pocket.

If you don't already have a phone for this and are shopping buy one that is made for and comes with Linux on it.

https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/
or
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
or maybe
https://www.fxtec.com/pro1x
then there is
https://volla.online/en/
not to forget
https://www.fairphone.com/en/

Wow, I'm so far behind the scene I actually think I'm winning - never knew this was even a thing. I'll certainly take a look at each of these over the coming days.

The cool thing is its a phone that works like a computer. You can
install which ever OS you want on these.

This is precisely what I'm looking for - I'm not overly familiar with Android, so I don't want to find myself in the position where I'm wrestling with a system I don't understand.

Here are some phone based distros.

postmarketOS (Based on Alpine Linux)
UBports (Ubuntu Touch)
Mobian (Debian for mobiles)
Tizen (supported by The Linux Foundation)
KaiOS (based on Firefox OS)
Maemo (Debian)
ExpidusOS (Void Linux)
PureOSPlasma
MobileNemo
MobileNixOS

I'm sure there are tons more. It's been a while since I looked on to replacing boot loaders and the like on these. If you want an Android phone and the easy freedom to do what you want get a OnePlus phone.
They let you root your phone. Its a check box in the settings. they
see it as well you own your phone and as long as you know you won't get support once you mess it up. :D

Again, I'll take a look at each of these, but a Ubuntu based distro is likely to appeal more than those I'm less familiar with.

Hope this helps someone.

It most certainly did - very much appreciated :)

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On 26 Jul 2022, TALIADON said the following...

This is precisely what I'm looking for - I'm not overly familiar with Android, so I don't want to find myself in the position where I'm wrestling with a system I don't understand.

Well I have been an android guy for years rooted my fair share of phones and tablets. If there is anything you need let me know. I know some of those Linux phones are around $200 so if you need a cheep experiment it will do the job without disconnecting your current setup.

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On 07-26-22 11:42, TALIADON wrote to claw <=-

I'm happy with my iPhone for calls/texting, so it would really be an exercise in getting Linux into my pocket.

I prefer iPhone for the daily driver, but Android is better for some things, especially in the ham radio world.


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Well, that is kind of my point. People who are used to Windows will see an alternative as "deficient", wheras people used to Linux will find Windows deficient. This shows that much of the "deficiencies" that are claimed are really a matter of the alternative not matching their habits.

When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me more quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

When I use Linux, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to choose among a couple of different file names with similar starts.

Perhaps I just need to be better about naming files to make sure my tab-complete needs line up with my OS.

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Re: Re: Old computer
By: Adept to boraxman on Wed Jul 27 2022 09:23 pm

When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me more quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

The Windows command prompt has tab-complete for filenames...?

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When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me more quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

Doesn't Powershell do this? I'm pretty sure it does.

When I use Linux, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to choose among a couple of different file names with similar starts.

ZSH can do this. ZSH can do a lot.

Perhaps I just need to be better about naming files to make sure my tab-complete needs line up with my OS.

Nah, use better software or a better shell. Your computer should work for you, not you adapt to work to its limitations.

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On 27 Jul 22 21:23:29, Adept said the following to Boraxman:

When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me more quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

When I use Linux, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to choose among a couple of different file names with similar starts.

Windows and Linux doe this perfectly. Is your tab key working?

Atreyu

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When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

The Windows command prompt has tab-complete for filenames...?

It's neat. And a neat solution that I'd probably more fully appreciate if I weren't also familiar with the Linux version.

But you type part of the name, then tab through the options that start with that name.

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When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

Doesn't Powershell do this? I'm pretty sure it does.

I imagine there are always ways. That I am almost certainly not interested in spending the effort to figure out.

Perhaps I just need to be better about naming files to make sure my tab-complete needs line up with my OS.

Nah, use better software or a better shell. Your computer should work
for you, not you adapt to work to its limitations.

I think I meant that mostly as a joke, as it's silly to name files based on tab-complete needs.

But only _mostly_, because I'd definitely consider it, if I thought that I
had a reasonable naming convention.

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When I use Windows, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to help me mo quickly type out part of a file name in the command line.

When I use Linux, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to choose among couple of different file names with similar starts.

Windows and Linux doe this perfectly. Is your tab key working?

Does your tab key do something mine doesn't?

I type part of a file name in Windows, then tab through the options.

I type part of a file name in Linux, then tab to get to the next decision point, then type a bit more, then tab to complete (or get to the next
decision point, or tab-complete with the previous one).

If I type enough of the file name that the names are unique on either system, the behavior would be exactly the same.

What does _your_ tab key do? And are you using something custom?

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On 29 Jul 22 18:10:06, Adept said the following to Atreyu:

What does _your_ tab key do? And are you using something custom?

I open either CMD or Powershell on Windows.

For example. cd \, Enter. cd, space, then hitting Tab cycles through the subdirectories.

I connect via Putty SSH to a Ubuntu VM hosted on OVH in Montreal.

For example. cd /etc, Enter, cd, space, then hitting tab cycles through the subdirectories.

On Windows CMD, I type Find, space, then Tab and it cycles through the available files in the directory.

Nothing custom on either and this behavior has worked here for years.

Atreyu

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Doesn't Powershell do this? I'm pretty sure it does.

I imagine there are always ways. That I am almost certainly not
interested in spending the effort to figure out.

What effort? You just press 'Tab'!

I think I meant that mostly as a joke, as it's silly to name files based on tab-complete needs.

But only _mostly_, because I'd definitely consider it, if I thought that
I had a reasonable naming convention.

Gotcha... I think,

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Does your tab key do something mine doesn't?

I type part of a file name in Windows, then tab through the options.

I type part of a file name in Linux, then tab to get to the next decision point, then type a bit more, then tab to complete (or get to the next decision point, or tab-complete with the previous one).

If I type enough of the file name that the names are unique on either system, the behavior would be exactly the same.

What does _your_ tab key do? And are you using something custom?

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Ahh, I see what you mean. I use ZSH, so when I press tab, I get all the options. Press it again, and I can use the arrows to select all the options as if scrolling through a menu. I add the
zstyle 'completion:*' menu select
option to my .zshrc.

You probably use bash, I'm guessing bash can do something similar. Try the option
bind 'TAB:menu-complete'
and see how you go. Add it to your .bashrc if it is what you want.

You can type
bind 'TAB:menu-complete'
on the command prompt to try it out.

Linux and Linux programs are generally quite configurable, there is usually a way to get something to work just the way you want it.

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Re: Re: Old computer
By: Adept to Atreyu on Fri Jul 29 2022 06:10 pm

Does your tab key do something mine doesn't?

I type part of a file name in Windows, then tab through the options.

I type part of a file name in Linux, then tab to get to the next decision point, then type a bit more, then tab to complete (or
get to the next decision point, or tab-complete with the previous one).

If I type enough of the file name that the names are unique on either system, the behavior would be exactly the same.

Do you double tab? For me, at the decision point, double tab will list all the available files that meet what you have typed so far and that it cannot proceed to complete because there is no longer uniqueness in your input.


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Do you double tab? For me, at the decision point, double tab will list
all the available files that meet what you have typed so far and that it cannot proceed to complete because there is no longer uniqueness in your input.

Interesting! I had never thought to try that, so thanks for that.

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At 9:53 PM on 28 Jul 22, boraxman said to Adept:

When I use Linux, I'm annoyed that I can't tab-complete to choose among a couple of different file names with similar starts.

ZSH can do this. ZSH can do a lot.

Why yes, yes it does! :) It was really hard for me to move away from bash, but I'm a complete zsh devotee now. It's conveniences are truly labor
saving.


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ZSH can do this. ZSH can do a lot.

Why yes, yes it does! :) It was really hard for me to move away from bash, but I'm a complete zsh devotee now. It's conveniences are truly labor saving.

I found a lot of things that I did with ZSH, BASH could do. I don't know if I wrongfully thought they were ZSH only features, or if BASH had changed since I converted to ZSH, but I read through some BASH documentation and was thinking "I thought this was specific to ZSH..."

Being able to use arguments from previous commands without having to press
the up arrow and hand edit the command and do substitutions using the "/s" syntax is probably my favourite feature. I also like the glob qualifiers, and that you can select files that pass a certain test.

I add an "archived" extended attribute to any files I've put on my archive drive, but still want to keep around, and I can list those files with
ls *(+archived) or delete them with
rm *(+archived). Kind of like a command line tagging system where you can select files which have a particular tag on the shell.

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bex wrote to boraxman <=-

Why yes, yes it does! :) It was really hard for me to move away from bash, but I'm a complete zsh devotee now. It's conveniences are truly labor saving.

Could you elaborate? I'm getting into working with shells more, haven't
looked at a shell other than Bash since the csh/bash wars of the late '80s.


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Could you elaborate? I'm getting into working with shells more, haven't looked at a shell other than Bash since the csh/bash wars of the late '80s.

The whole bash vs zsh thing for me is about convenience these days. The main reason I use zsh is because of things like oh-my-zsh and prezto, which essentially give you a tuned zsh experience out of the box. It's easy to manage plugins, etc., with one of these configuration frameworks.

Now, I think there are probably bash frameworks that offer similar capabilities but the community around zsh suggests to me that usability will always be improved.

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At 10:05 AM on 5 Aug 22, boraxman said to bex:

I found a lot of things that I did with ZSH, BASH could do. I don't
know if I wrongfully thought they were ZSH only features, or if BASH had changed since I converted to ZSH, but I read through some BASH documentation and was thinking "I thought this was specific to ZSH..."

In the end, all of the shells can do most of the same things, it's just a matter of how easy it is to do those things. zsh makes things like working
with history and searching easy-peasy. And oh-my-zsh plugins make adding environment variables and variables a piece of cake.

I add an "archived" extended attribute to any files I've put on my
archive drive, but still want to keep around, and I can list those files with ls *(+archived) or delete them with

That is friggin BRILLIANT! I am going to implement that on my test system!


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In the end, all of the shells can do most of the same things, it's just a matter of how easy it is to do those things. zsh makes things like
working with history and searching easy-peasy. And oh-my-zsh plugins
make adding environment variables and variables a piece of cake.

I add an "archived" extended attribute to any files I've put on my archive drive, but still want to keep around, and I can list those fil with ls *(+archived) or delete them with

That is friggin BRILLIANT! I am going to implement that on my test system!

Have a place for everything and keep the thing somewhere else; this is
not advice, it is merely custom.
- Mark Twain

The magic happens with this ZSH function. Note that you need to add
zmodload zsh/attr
to your .zshrc as well to add support for extended attributes.

function archived() {
# just a check whether the archived attribute exists, regardless of value.
local val
zgetattr $REPLY user.archived val 2>/dev/null
}


All you need to do to set a file as "archived" is created an extended attribute with that name on the file

ie
# setfattr -n user.archived mysticBBS_Release3.RAR

then you can refer to files with this 'tag' using the following glob *(.+archived)
as in
# rm *(.+archived)

Which removes all files with the tag
...or recursively
# rm **/*(.+archived)
The following glob is the negation
*(.^+archived)

So
# cp *(.^archived) /mnt/external
copies all files which have NOT got the tag
which you can then tag as archived with

# setfattr -n user.archived *(.^+archived)

I have folders I download things in, which I then save on an external drive, but may want to keep locally for a moment longer.

Of course, you can duplicate that function with other tags.

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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to bex <=-

bex wrote to boraxman <=-

Why yes, yes it does! :) It was really hard for me to move away from bash, but I'm a complete zsh devotee now. It's conveniences are truly labor saving.

Could you elaborate? I'm getting into working with shells more, haven't looked at a shell other than Bash since the csh/bash wars of the late '80s.

More robust tab completion: case is ignored, fuzzy matching, wildcard tab competion

The wildcard tab completion is super-crazy. For example, if I type:

vi /v/l/p/library and hit tab, it exampds to:
vi /var/lib/plexmediaserver/Library

Auto-complete history. I used to *hate* this, but now I rely on it. Start typing, for example, "vi " and you'll see the last time you ran vim. If you had run it with "vim thisIsSilly.example" then while typing "vi" the rest of your previous run is shown, and you can hit tab to fill. But even more handy, say you are like me and edit a kajillion text files in any particular work day. I can type "vi" and then hit the up arrow to go through all matching lines. Or I can keep typing until I can see the autocomplete has worked.

Last one for now: zsh plugins. My favorite example is a silly little history plugin. The plugin creates a few different aliases which get processed when .zshrc is sourced, including "hsi" to do a case-insensitve grep on history. It's something that I can easily replicate in bash, of course. I just think that it's cool to have it separated out into its own container. If I don't want to have those aliases anymore, in bash I have to go through my aliases file, finding and deleting each one. In zsh, I just remove the plugin.

Silly stuff, but the expansion of tab completion and auto-complete history has sped up my productivity by a good 5%. Over an 8 hour day, I dig having time for another coffee break. :D


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Last one for now: zsh plugins. My favorite example is a silly little history plugin. The plugin creates a few different aliases which get processed when .zshrc is sourced, including "hsi" to do a
case-insensitve grep on history. It's something that I can easily replicate in bash, of course. I just think that it's cool to have it separated out into its own container. If I don't want to have those aliases anymore, in bash I have to go through my aliases file, finding
and deleting each one. In zsh, I just remove the plugin.

Silly stuff, but the expansion of tab completion and auto-complete history has sped up my productivity by a good 5%. Over an 8 hour day, I dig having time for another coffee break. :D

http://zzapper.co.uk/zshtips.html

Lots of good tips here. Will give you an indication of what you can do.
The most common 'features' I use are glob modifiers, particularly those to select files modified within the last X days, using substition on previous commands.

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boraxman said to bex: <=-

The magic happens with this ZSH function. Note that you need to add zmodload zsh/attr
to your .zshrc as well to add support for extended attributes.

Thank you thank you!!!

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http://zzapper.co.uk/zshtips.html
Lots of good tips here. Will give you an indication of what you can do.

Thank you so much! I am betting this going to be an invaluable resource.

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