(I'm behind on messages, so perhaps this already got talked about)
What I'm struggling with, with Win11, along with what you're saying, are
But, in general, Win11 seems fine to me. I can't say I particularly
_care_ about how it's different from Win10, but largely it does what I want, and I can ignore it most of the time.
And that's the state I want for an OS. Basically stop thinking about it.
I haven't used Win 11 as yet but my hunch is I may ride it out until the next OS version is released then try to move to that.. but time will
tell I guess.
Pondering chocolate is far more fun :)
Adept wrote to Avon <=-
So it seems reasonable to me for people to skip the version. I'm really only running it because I got new computers this year, and it seemed
more reasonable to have systems that were running Win 11 immediately.
I've gotten a variety of chocolate, and will eat some while typing this message, though I think the interesting food item I've been doing is my wine and gin advent calendars.
Windows 10 runs fine here, and Windows 11 won't run because this system doesn't have a TPM chip. It's a home model, I'm guessing lots of people will be unable to upgrade, and in 2025 they'll have to push the EOL
date out further.
They should just make a better operating system. Maybe it was a
conspiracy to drive new hardware sales. I might have to upgrade my
desktop to have a PCI 4.0 bus at the minimum.
So it seems reasonable to me for people to skip the version. I'm really only running it because I got new computers this year, and it seemed
more reasonable to have systems that were running Win 11 immediately.
Pondering chocolate is far more fun :)
It _is_.
I've gotten a variety of chocolate, and will eat some while typing this message, though I think the interesting food item I've been doing is my wine and gin advent calendars.
It's neat to try a couple new things each day, write down a short
review, take some pictures, etc.
Eventually I'll get the info into my wine wiki, which, while it's more work than I'd like, is a part of the fun of trying out various alcohols.
Now that computers are front-ends for
the internet, there don't appear to be many interesting differentiators. I
I struggle to figure out the killer feature Windows is bringing to the table nowadays in most use cases.
yeah I expect I'll need to move some systems across to Win 10 or 11 sooner than later... but while the lights keep blinkty blinking I'm happy - heh.
I don't think I necessarily agree with that, nor do I think computers should just be front-ends for the internet. Not everything is well
suited to run as a web/internet based app. Photo and video processing, software development, and other number-crunching tasks lend themselves
to having a powerful computer at home that you can use for those kinds
of things. Video games is another example.
Sometimes it seems like some software companies want us to use web apps though, as they can easily charge a subscription fee. In some ways it seems like a step backwards - I remember hearing about people using dumb terminals connected to powerful central mainframe computers in the 60s
and 70s.. As computers became smaller, more affordable, and more powerful, it became much easier to have a fairly powerful computer at
home that could run software locally, and generally that was seen as a good thing.
Yeah, I'm not sure any particular computer OS has any killer feature
these days. As you said though, Windows just being a known thing means that pretty much all types of software are made for Windows
(particularly gaming).
I've seen certain programs that some people just seem to love which are only made for one platform (i.e. Mac-only versions of certain programs), but I don't think there's any limiting factor where it would really need to be platform-specific.
Oddly, I've noticed that a large percentage of people who do photo &
video editing and making music (content creators) still seem to prefer Mac, and a lot of web developers seem to like working on a Mac too.
I've heard that music software for Mac in general tends to "just work"
and have low latency, but (in my limited experience) I haven't seen much problem with latency with Windows music software either.. The web devleopment connection with Mac is one thing I don't quite understand though.
affordable, and more powerful, it became much easier to have a
fairly powerful computer at home that could run software locally,
and generally that was seen as a good thing.
This is true, but it's also much easier to maintain. Build a web app, and then anyone with a browser can basically use it. You don't need to deal with customers downloading and installing things, really you can just offload all that burden onto the web browser itself. At the end of the day it lowers the burden significantly for development.
I'm not doing dev work for my job or BBS stuff or gaming, I tend to use my iPad. It's just easier and gets out of the way.
Agree, however I am sympathetic to game companies refusing to release for linux...it's a pain in the ass building something closed source and trying to support linux as a platform for your software, due to the bespoke nature of what 'linux' means for basically every type of user.
I prefer doing web dev on a Mac, I also prefer photo editing and making music on a Mac. Doing any kind of dev work in Windows has always been a bit of a nightmare for me. I use a Mac for doing dev stuff at work, but it's also an amazing personal computer. I prefer it infinitely over Windows.
Web development has its own issues though. You have to test it in multiple web browsers (and perhaps multiple versions of multiple web browsers). And for years, IE was the bane of web development as it had its own bugs and special cases you had to allow for. It seems like a
lot of hassle to have to test for multiple browsers & such.
What do you mean by "gets out of the way"?
That's true - though I think gaming support is one of the things Linux users have been wanting most. I think it's good that a big gaming
company like Steam has been supporting Linux for a little while now.
I'm curious how web development was a nightmare on Windows?
The development work I've done is more often back-end, desktop software (usually C# these days, but sometimes C++), and some mobile. I've done a little bit of web development and usually I use Windows and can't say
I've encountered any significant problems doing it.
I'm curious how web development was a nightmare on Windows?
My "dev on windows" experience historically has involved installing some 3rd party bash type thing, building a dev environment, wiring it up to work in the bash (git bash or something else), keeping everything in that environment up to date...whereas now WSL does make things a bit easier but man, that thing is a serious resource hog, and I can't traverse the filesystem well from the Windows side (or vice versa)...it's really just an annoyance and things have been much more straightforward for me to just launch my Mac and do a 'brew update' and am ready to go.
I struggle to figure out the killer feature Windows is bringing to the table core remaining major use cases:
- Gaming (linux is coming along but is still a ways off and may never catch
Ooo... sounds good. For me the challenge would be not scoffing it all before I formed a good review/view else it would all just be "yum"
I am not sure, but I suspect you could use Microsoft's Game Pass games on Linux. At least I have heard talk in that regard. If you have a proper Internet connection you can play lots of cloud games (in theory). I
don't care for modern games but if this is so then the platform is a
stepm closer to being irrelevant.
Though I _did_ put it in my wine wiki at some point, figuring that it'd
be interesting to also add the various fancy chocolates I came across.
Though I _did_ put it in my wine wiki at some point, figuring that it be interesting to also add the various fancy chocolates I came across
You have a wine wiki??? Care to share? :)
esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I struggle to figure out the killer feature Windows is bringing to the table nowadays in most use cases. Now that computers are front-ends for the internet, there don't appear to be many interesting
differentiators.
esc wrote to Utopian Galt <=-
You know, this reminds me...I actually for the most part use middle of
the road hardware for my daily computing needs, throw linux on it, call
it a day...but I spend a small fortune building vintage DOS and Windows
98 machines lol. Those were the real days of meaningful innovation...
Consider that the iPad has democratized computing for groups of people that have never even owned a computer, similarly the iPhone and other smartphones. And these things don't even come with an instruction
manual. /That/ is what I mean about it staying out of the way.
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Anyway, http://www.monoceroses.com/wine if you wanted to look.
Momentum, mostly. You mentioned Office support; I don't think it'll be
too long before Office is web-first. It exchanges their golden goose (purchasing office app licenses) for a recurring revenue model with a wider market base. Not a bad choice, looking forward.
I know people at work that use the web apps almost exclusively, even though they have the Office suite installed on their laptops.
I've sworn, every time I make a system change, that it'll be the time
that I install Linux on my desktop -- but I'm still running Windows, albeit 10 only. We'll see what I do if this PC lasts longer than
Windows 10 support.
As much as I'd love to hear the solid, satisfying KLIKK! of an AT power supply, I might be more tempted to get a thin client and throw DOS on them, They're cheap, they use modern peripherals, and my understanding
is that there's DOS support for most of the cheap network cards with packet drivers.
I think if I went retro, I'd get an old SUN box.
The iPad is an amazing tool. I use it to do research; I
can load up a ton of papers on the thing, and use tools
like Notability, LiquidText, and OmniGraffle to annotate,
take notes, design things, etc. It's probably the closest
I've seen to Engelbart's vision being realized.
If you like roguelikes, you may find my roguelike server amusing. I have only three
games in it so far but it is serviceable.
Very cool! mediawiki for content like this is perfect. I look forward to reading.
If you like roguelikes, you may find my roguelike server amusing. I have
only three
games in it so far but it is serviceable.
Ah super cool! I have a lot of roguelikes running as doors on my BBS. I /wish/ I could run Brogue but
gned game, speaking to the visuals.
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esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
My current employer uses Google suite for everything and honestly doing all Office type stuff in a browser is simpler in many ways. I wish the drive integration was stronger but it all works, which is good. And the multitude of MS Office features that differentiate it from GSuite are
not very useful IMO...
godsend for me at this point in my career (I spent time in the military watching people agonize over silly slide details, it's nice to avoid this).
I know people at work that use the web apps almost exclusively, even though they have the Office suite installed on their laptops.
I actually pay for Office for my own purposes (O365 I think) and have written wrappers to make it so that I can treat MS Office applications like fully integrated desktop apps in my linux desktop. Double clicking
a Word doc will open in a standalone wrapped web Word app :)
I've sworn, every time I make a system change, that it'll be the time
that I install Linux on my desktop -- but I'm still running Windows, albeit 10 only. We'll see what I do if this PC lasts longer than
Windows 10 support.
I upgraded from Win10 to Win11 and tried very hard to like it, but
really just kept getting frustrated. I wound up blowing everything away and starting from scratch once again with linux and haven't looked
back. I just prefer the level of control I get to exert here.
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esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
On the one hand I agree with you but on the other hand, having hardware Voodoo cards, hardware GUS cards, hardware MT32 (and other midi
devices), etc., with a real CRT VGA monitor, is an entirely different experience.
I /don't/ claim that it's worth the expense. But man, it's fun, and hobbies by nature aren't typically smart financial decisions. :)
I think if I went retro, I'd get an old SUN box.
We used Sun boxes at the government for a bit and I never really understood why some people are interested. What would an old SUN box do for you? Serious question?
It's like the nextcubes and stuff, they're so expensive, and I don't
even know what they would bring to the table. I would love to better understand this.
I have thought of setting an actual BBS with Roguelike DOors, but in the end of the day I find
dgamelaunch better if you just want to host terminal games. Besides, dgamelaunch is easy to adapt to
OpenBSD and its sandboxing models.
With a large company and a team that can help integrate them, Teams, Sharepoint and OneDrive are pretty powerful. There's a new feature
called Loop where you can share office content collaboratively in
Teams, in Outlook, and OneDrive/Sharepoint.
It'd be like being able to copy and paste a table into an email and
Teams, but have the recipient be able to edit it on the fly and update everywhere.
Sharepoint is the one thing lacking in GSuite - a way to create intranet sites. Teams sharing is starting to overtake Sharepoint now, to the
point where we're running out of space for it!
For smaller groups, G Suite rocks for simplicity. At home, I find myself going to docs.new and sheets.new rather than opening Word or Excel.
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. I worked in a game company back in the '90s, and we were all in on hardware. Luckily, the company paid for hardware and game playing was encouraged. :)
Nostalgia. The hardware is beautiful to me, the SUN type 5 keyboard is
one of the best ever made, and my first *nix gig was supporting SUN hardware in my server room. I had a Sparc II at my desk at the time
with a huge (at the time) 19" monitor. While Windows and Mac were
barely multitasking, Solaris was able to run most of my infrastructure
on a couple of boxes.
I think if I went retro, I'd get an old SUN box.
We used Sun boxes at the government for a bit and I never really understood why some people are interested. What would an old SUN box do for you? Serious question?
It's like the nextcubes and stuff, they're so expensive, and I don't
even know what they would bring to the table. I would love to better understand this.
I think if I went retro, I'd get an old SUN box.
We used Sun boxes at the government for a bit and I never really understood why some people are interested. What would an old SUN box for you? Serious question?
Nostalgia. The hardware is beautiful to me, the SUN type 5 keyboard is
one of the best ever made, and my first *nix gig was supporting SUN hardware in my server room. I had a Sparc II at my desk at the time
with a huge (at the time) 19" monitor. While Windows and Mac were
barely multitasking, Solaris was able to run most of my infrastructure
on a couple of boxes.
It's like the nextcubes and stuff, they're so expensive, and I don't even know what they would bring to the table. I would love to better understand this.
The NeXT (hope I got the capitalization right) had display postscript
when everyone else had jaggedy screen letters, keyboards and mice that felt luxurious by comparison to the cheap PC keyboards of the time, and tools to create apps quickly, if memory serves.
I have thought of setting an actual BBS with Roguelike DOors, but in th end of the day I find
dgamelaunch better if you just want to host terminal games. Besides, dgamelaunch is easy to adapt to
OpenBSD and its sandboxing models.
I'd love to learn more about how each of these games is able to share things
I mean, I think this is technically fine, but I would love to find better ne
Brogue would be so great if only there was an 80x25 mode I could use. Alas.
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being something called "Universal Print". This moves your print server to the cloud and also lets you set permissions for your various
locations as to who can print where, all kind of neat.
Until you realize that if you loose internet access, you can't print.
You could be sitting right next to a printer, on the same network, but
if your location loses internet access, no printing for you.
esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. I worked in a game company back in the '90s, and we were all in on hardware. Luckily, the company paid for hardware and game playing was encouraged. :)
Nice! What company, if I may ask? I feel like we've discussed this
before but I'm drawing a blank hehe.
esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
With a large company and a team that can help integrate them, Teams, Sharepoint and OneDrive are pretty powerful. There's a new feature
called Loop where you can share office content collaboratively in
Teams, in Outlook, and OneDrive/Sharepoint.
Perhaps, yeah. My biggest company had 2000 people at its peak. My
current one is tipping the scales at under 400 :)
For smaller groups, G Suite rocks for simplicity. At home, I find myself going to docs.new and sheets.new rather than opening Word or Excel.
Funny, we are basically at opposite ends on tihs one :) I use gsuite
for work and MS for private purposes.
tenser wrote to esc <=-
A PC with a Pentium
was only half as good as a SPARCstation or SGI, but a quarter
of the cost, and the trend line was heading towards favoring the
PC within a decade.
tenser wrote to esc <=-
A PC with a Pentium
was only half as good as a SPARCstation or SGI, but a quarter
of the cost, and the trend line was heading towards favoring the
PC within a decade.
In 1999, I ran the web site for a company that used a Sun Enterprise 250 for Oracle and an Ultra 2 for the web front-end running Tomcat. When we expanded the site, I bought several 1u intel boxes and threw Linux on them, and they ran the web site. I'm pretty sure they cost less than another Ultra 2. That was the tipping point for me.
Eidos Interactive. The company that did Tomb Raider, Deus Ex, Daikatana, Final Fantasy 7, Hitman and Thief.
As much as I'd love to hear the solid, satisfying KLIKK! of an AT pow supply, I might be more tempted to get a thin client and throw DOS on them, They're cheap, they use modern peripherals, and my understandi is that there's DOS support for most of the cheap network cards with packet drivers.
On the one hand I agree with you but on the other hand, having hardware Voodoo cards, hardware GUS cards, hardware MT32 (and other midi
devices), etc., with a real CRT VGA monitor, is an entirely different experience.
I /don't/ claim that it's worth the expense. But man, it's fun, and hobbies by nature aren't typically smart financial decisions. :)
On 07 Dec 2022 at 01:19p, Adept pondered and said...
(I'm behind on messages, so perhaps this already got talked about)
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