• Re: Windows 10 Desktop fails to wake for Macrium Backup

    From Zaidy036@21:1/5 to sticks on Tue Feb 20 21:17:25 2024
    On 2/19/2024 10:52 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 8:50 PM, Zaidy036 wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 9:07 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 6:17 PM, sticks wrote:
    I've got three systems now set up to do weekly backups in the middle
    of the night.  All Win 10, and all using Macrium version 8.0.7783.
    The two that belong to other people have been waking up and doing
    the full backups just fine.  In the morning the computer is back in
    sleep mode, and the new backup is in the desired location.

    Mine, no such luck.  All three had new internal spinners that are
    the backup destination drives.  All can do manual backups "now", and
    work fine in windows explorer.  On mine, I checked last week and
    sure enough, the "Wake the computer to run this task" button was
    checked. Last week it tried to begin right after I woke it up in the
    afternoon.  Today, same darn thing, and button is still checked.

    I'll have to check later to see if there are any Macrium or Windows
    log files that might show something, but anybody have any ideas what
    might be causing this system to not wake up and do the backup imaging?

    I may have figured this one out.
    I ran the command powercfg -waketimers, and yes it was there and
    looked good.  I then remembered the Windows power setting on allowing
    wake timers and went into the advanced setting under sleep/allow wake
    timers and sure enough it was set to "disabled".  I enabled it,
    applied changes and clicked OK.  I'm not going to change the schedule
    in macrium, but will just wait till next Monday and see if the
    overnight backup worked with the change.  Fingers crossed.

    As long as the images are inside your PC they are not backups but copies.

    They are full disk images of the boot drive stored on a separate spinner
    in the case something gets corrupted, deleted, lost, or the drive fails.
     I am failing to see the difference in terminology that matters?

    Use external destinations and disconnect when not being used.

    Macrium is loaded on the boot drive, and has to write to something.  I
    don't see where it makes any difference if that drive is is internal or
    a USB device.  However, I have told the kid he should also be copying
    the backup images to an external drive when he can.  That's what I do, 1 working and two backups.  Of course since he has to buy that one so it
    might be a while.  ;-)

    Move the spinner to external USB docking station

    I used to use two USB storage drive for my backups, but the speed is so
    much better on the internal drive I choose to change mine to that too. I still back that up on a USB drive, but see no reason to eliminate the internal spinner.  You've just suggested doing it, but haven't really
    given a reason for doing so.

    ---snip---

    If you do not copy the image externally how would you feel if your PC
    was flashed by lightning or stolen or destroyed by fire or locked up by
    a ransom demand?

    What you call a backup is an internal copy until it is further copied externally and disconnected and stored safely.

    The time it takes to make an external image is immaterial if done using
    a unattended batch while you are sleeping. Mine runs once a week using
    Macrium to an external HDD and full partition images(SSD C: 212GB, HDD
    D: 131GB & F: 191GB used) take a total less than 100 minutes using a USB
    3 port.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Zaidy036@air.isp.spam on Tue Feb 20 21:14:20 2024
    Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> wrote:

    On 2/19/2024 10:52 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 8:50 PM, Zaidy036 wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 9:07 PM, sticks wrote:
    On 2/19/2024 6:17 PM, sticks wrote:
    I've got three systems now set up to do weekly backups in the middle >>>>> of the night.  All Win 10, and all using Macrium version 8.0.7783.
    The two that belong to other people have been waking up and doing
    the full backups just fine.  In the morning the computer is back in
    sleep mode, and the new backup is in the desired location.

    Mine, no such luck.  All three had new internal spinners that are
    the backup destination drives.  All can do manual backups "now", and >>>>> work fine in windows explorer.  On mine, I checked last week and
    sure enough, the "Wake the computer to run this task" button was
    checked. Last week it tried to begin right after I woke it up in the >>>>> afternoon.  Today, same darn thing, and button is still checked.

    I'll have to check later to see if there are any Macrium or Windows
    log files that might show something, but anybody have any ideas what >>>>> might be causing this system to not wake up and do the backup imaging? >>>>
    I may have figured this one out.
    I ran the command powercfg -waketimers, and yes it was there and
    looked good.  I then remembered the Windows power setting on allowing
    wake timers and went into the advanced setting under sleep/allow wake
    timers and sure enough it was set to "disabled".  I enabled it,
    applied changes and clicked OK.  I'm not going to change the schedule
    in macrium, but will just wait till next Monday and see if the
    overnight backup worked with the change.  Fingers crossed.

    As long as the images are inside your PC they are not backups but copies. >>
    They are full disk images of the boot drive stored on a separate spinner
    in the case something gets corrupted, deleted, lost, or the drive fails.
     I am failing to see the difference in terminology that matters?

    Use external destinations and disconnect when not being used.

    Macrium is loaded on the boot drive, and has to write to something.  I
    don't see where it makes any difference if that drive is is internal or
    a USB device.  However, I have told the kid he should also be copying
    the backup images to an external drive when he can.  That's what I do, 1
    working and two backups.  Of course since he has to buy that one so it
    might be a while.  ;-)

    Move the spinner to external USB docking station

    I used to use two USB storage drive for my backups, but the speed is so
    much better on the internal drive I choose to change mine to that too. I
    still back that up on a USB drive, but see no reason to eliminate the
    internal spinner.  You've just suggested doing it, but haven't really
    given a reason for doing so.

    ---snip---

    If you do not copy the image externally how would you feel if your PC
    was flashed by lightning or stolen or destroyed by fire or locked up by
    a ransom demand?

    What you call a backup is an internal copy until it is further copied externally and disconnected and stored safely.

    The time it takes to make an external image is immaterial if done using
    a unattended batch while you are sleeping. Mine runs once a week using Macrium to an external HDD and full partition images(SSD C: 212GB, HDD
    D: 131GB & F: 191GB used) take a total less than 100 minutes using a USB
    3 port.

    He could have the full backup jobs save a copy to another storage
    device, like to a USB drive or FTP server. Edit the script (XML file)
    that Reflect creates to define a backup job. At the end of the script,
    add commands to copy the backup files to another location, like to a
    shared drive on another host. He could use robocopy already in Windows
    to mirror the backup location of Reflect to the duplicate location, or SyncBack, or FreeFileSync, etc. My full backups end about 1 hour. I
    give it 2 hours since backups will take longer as I continue to populate
    my OS drive. Then I use Syncback to copy the backup files to a USB HDD
    that is removed and put in the detached garage. For data on other
    drives, I just use Syncback to mirror those to another USB HDD, plus I
    don't have much data, so having them in a folder monitored by a cloud
    sync client gets them stowed online, too. Any files with sensitive data
    are encrypted, so they are also encrypted on the cloud server (and I
    don't use the same password on encrypted files as for the login to the
    cloud account, so a hacker has to get past my long strong login password
    and the password to encrypt the sensitive files).

    If he has an FTP client that has a CLI (Command-Line Interface), he
    could call the FTP client with args for the source and destination
    locations (how the login credentials are handled by the FTP client at
    the FTP server depends on what FTP client he used). Obviously he would
    have to setup an FTP server to which his FTP client connects.

    He could copy the backup files to a folder monitored by a cloud sync
    client (OneDrive, Google Drive, Dropbox, etc) to get those files sync'ed
    to his cloud storage, but he'll probably have to buy LOTS of cloud
    storage to handle not just 1 backup, but the subsequent backups even if
    he only cloud-sync'ed the full backups. However, cloud sync is very
    slow. If the backup files are huge, it could take longer to complete
    the sync than the interval between backups. Most users have asychronous bandwidth: high downstream, low upstream. Getting the backup files from
    his host up to the cloud server will be very slow. And then getting the
    backup files back from the cloud server will also be slow (but
    downstream bandwidth is higher, so not as slow as upload).

    Protecting my OS partition(s) is only about disaster recovery. I can
    get the OS and app programs again, so I don't need to protect those from hacking, fire, flooding, surges, etc. Those backups are for disaster
    recovery. I don't keep much data on my desktop PC, so there's not much
    to store elsewhere, and frankly none of it is critical to my physical or financial well being. If I lost all local copies of my photos, they're
    still up on the cloud sync server and a local USB HDD. If they
    disappeared from my PC's drive, get them back from the USB HDD. If both
    the PC and USB HDD were destroyed, get them back from cloud storage. If
    all disappeared, well, I'm not one that just must retain photos of his
    life experiences. I'm not the reminscing type that needs photos to spur
    my memories.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Feb 20 21:23:07 2024
    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Edit the script (XML file)
    that Reflect creates to define a backup job. At the end of the script,
    add commands to copy the backup files to another location, ...

    Macrium made this easier a while backup. I hunted around but didn't
    find the option before submitting my prior post. Under Defaults ->
    Script Defaults -> Run Programs, you can add pre- and post-backup
    commands. They run before and/or after the backup begins/ends.

    If later I run into timing conflict between when Reflect ends its
    backups and when I later run SyncBack to make duplicates of the backup
    files, I'll switch to use the pre-/post-backup program options in the
    default backup definitions. This is a GUI method that also edits the
    XML backup script file: what you enter here gets inserted into the
    backup script. It's just easier using the GUI than figuring out where
    to manually edit the XML script file.

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