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Lack of resources, CPU and Memory is a continuing problem, and is also something I need to better understand before I buy a new PC.

When I switch to one of my Firefox or Chrome windows or tabs, I often
find an animation that is moving, or more importantly a video that is
playing, like an ad for a news website or advertising itself. Often
videos that I never actively started, all I did is load the webpage
earlier. Or I have an Amazon search page that shows no activity on the
screen but if I scroll down, there is one of their product videos. Was
this playing even when I could not see it?

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos
playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a non-active tab would use? I also imagine that programs other than web-browsers might be using resources, esp. CPU beyond what sitting
still requires even when they are not in focus, and that Windows 10
permits this. (My next laptop will be win11.)

I maximize all windows that can be maximized (mostly because the
alternative looks like a messy stack of papers)), so I only have one web browser tab showing at one time.

Is there a way to stop all the activity in tabs that do not have focus?

Or does Windows or the major browsers do this themselves and I'm misled
because activity restarts the moment they get focus?

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On 7/21/24 04:14 PM, micky wrote:

Lack of resources, CPU and Memory is a continuing problem, and is also something I need to better understand before I buy a new PC.

When I switch to one of my Firefox or Chrome windows or tabs, I often
find an animation that is moving, or more importantly a video that is playing, like an ad for a news website or advertising itself. Often
videos that I never actively started, all I did is load the webpage
earlier. Or I have an Amazon search page that shows no activity on the
screen but if I scroll down, there is one of their product videos. Was
this playing even when I could not see it?

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos
playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a non-active tab would use? I also imagine that programs other than web-browsers might be using resources, esp. CPU beyond what sitting
still requires even when they are not in focus, and that Windows 10
permits this. (My next laptop will be win11.)

I maximize all windows that can be maximized (mostly because the
alternative looks like a messy stack of papers)), so I only have one web browser tab showing at one time.

Is there a way to stop all the activity in tabs that do not have focus?

Or does Windows or the major browsers do this themselves and I'm misled because activity restarts the moment they get focus?

You simply can't have 200+ tabs. Nothing, nothing is that involved you need that many. At least
you'll never convince me. I know you've convinced yourself but me personally, I think you've dug
your own hole and fallen into it. Spend $5000 and buy one of the really good PCs with punch and
maybe you'll fix your issue.

And stop spreading these messages across multiple newsgroups, it's either a firefox, win10 or win11
issue. Pick one. If it does it in chrome then it's not firefox.
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On 7/21/24 05:02 PM, Big Al wrote:

On 7/21/24 04:14 PM, micky wrote:

Lack of resources, CPU and Memory is a continuing problem, and is also
something I need to better understand before I buy a new PC.

When I switch to one of my Firefox or Chrome windows or tabs, I often
find an animation that is moving, or more importantly a video that is
playing, like an ad for a news website or advertising itself.   Often
videos that I never actively started, all I did is load the webpage
earlier. Or I have an Amazon search page that shows no activity on the
screen but if I scroll down, there is one of their product videos.  Was
this playing even when I could not see it?

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon.  Is it possible there are videos
playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a
non-active tab would use?   I also imagine that programs other than
web-browsers might be using resources, esp. CPU beyond what sitting
still requires even when they are not in focus, and that Windows 10
permits this. (My next laptop will be win11.)

I maximize all windows that can be maximized (mostly because the
alternative looks like a messy stack of papers)), so I only have one web
browser tab showing at one time.

Is there a way to stop all the activity in tabs that do not have focus?

Or does Windows or the major browsers do this themselves and I'm misled
because activity restarts the moment they get focus?

You simply can't have 200+ tabs.  Nothing, nothing is that involved you need that many.   At least
you'll never convince me.   I know you've convinced yourself but me personally, I think you've dug
your own hole and fallen into it.  Spend $5000 and buy one of the really good PCs with punch and
maybe you'll fix your issue.

And stop spreading these messages across multiple newsgroups, it's either a firefox, win10 or win11
issue.   Pick one.    If it does it in chrome then it's not firefox.

I somewhat apologize (just 2%) my day going, not well.
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In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 17:03:33 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

I somewhat apologize (just 2%) my day going, not well.

I understand having a bad day, and I accept your apology,

But I may still want to address your points, which are reasonable, but
also have counter-points.

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micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

Sun, 21 Jul 2024 17:03:33 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com>:

I somewhat apologize (just 2%) my day going, not well.

I understand having a bad day, and I accept your apology,

But I may still want to address your points, which are reasonable, but
also have counter-points.

He apologized, not because he mischaracterized obnoxious behavior, but
because he let your obnoxious behavior get to him.

You're unteachable. You repeatedly demand "help me! help me! help me!"
but ignore the help you've been given.

As he told you to do, narrow your problem down. Obviously you're not
having a problem with BOTH Windows 10 and Windows 11, so crossposting to
both newsgroups was just obnoxious. It's unlikely you're having an
operating system problem at all so you should not have crossposted to either group. If it's a Firefox problem, why did you mention all those other
browsers?

Are you even having a problem at all or is it just the absurd way in
which you are using Firefox?

Now, I didn't cut the crosspost either. I want you to think hard -- very
hard -- about your personality issue, and then I want you to think about
your computer issue. Then, go back to one of his earlier followups,
re-read it for comprehension, and take his advice.

If you still have a question, post a followed CUTTING THE INAPPROPRIATE CROSSPOST to all those irrelevant groups.

Personally, I don't think you have any ability not to behave immaturely
on Usenet and everyone should treat you with disdain or recognize that
you're trolling.

Prove me wrong by NOT posting immaturely.

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In alt.comp.software.firefox micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

Lack of resources, CPU and Memory is a continuing problem, and is also something I need to better understand before I buy a new PC.

When I switch to one of my Firefox or Chrome windows or tabs, I often
find an animation that is moving, or more importantly a video that is playing, like an ad for a news website or advertising itself. Often
videos that I never actively started, all I did is load the webpage
earlier. Or I have an Amazon search page that shows no activity on the
screen but if I scroll down, there is one of their product videos. Was
this playing even when I could not see it?

Some about:config settings that control video playback are described
here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Media/Autoplay_guide#browser_configuration_options

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos
playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a non-active tab would use?

Apparantly not if media.block-autoplay-until-in-foreground is set
to the default true value.

Is there a way to stop all the activity in tabs that do not have focus?

It's a feature that may or may not be available depending on
hardware specs and configuration. If available, it's controlled
by "Content process limit" in the Performance section of the
settings, as described here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/performance-settings

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On 7/21/2024 5:51 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 17:03:33 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

I somewhat apologize (just 2%) my day going, not well.

I understand having a bad day, and I accept your apology,

But I may still want to address your points, which are reasonable, but
also have counter-points.

Tab parking was invented at some point, and it is supposed
to reduce resource utilization.

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/tab-suspender/fiabciakcmgepblmdkmemdbbkilneeeh?hl=en

"I turned off Chrome's Memory Saver, now I use Tab Suspender instead."

Now, this one doesn't sound all that useful. It's pressure sensitive,
rather than a performance optimizer (remove all unnecessary garbage
activity).

https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/browser/tabunloader/

"excluding tabs playing media, using Picture-in-Picture, or using WebRTC"

"about:unloads

page shows how Firefox prioritizes tabs and which tab will be unloaded
when the tab unloader is triggered. "

Originally, tab unloading was not to save the planet or reduce the
carbon footprint of browsers. There used to be a bug, where a tab
would zoom up to 3GB of memory usage. Nobody in the industry would
admit what the root cause was (a loss of connection to the display
subsystem). The suggestions for how they would fix it, were weak-sauce
or lame. Tab unloading was supposed to be a technique to prevent
the delayed-3GB-grabber from happening. But now when we read the
description, there's not much in the way of teeth there. We wouldn't
want to lose our tracking capabilities, I would suppose, even if the
machine is about to crash.

But if you continue on with the Google search, you may find
a version of the idea, that actually works. I don't have 200 tabs
to experiments with, and I don't plan on a test case to do that
either :-) When I was buying the Test Machine (4930K), I was
up to around 70 tabs that day, as I tried to arrange to buy
most of the components in one order. And the motherboard I got,
was old stock, and I had to drive about 40 miles to pick it up.
Got the last one. At least that computer still works.

Paul

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On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:14:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos
playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a >non-active tab would use?

I currently have 1257 tabs open in Firefox. Looking at Taskmanager, I see the busiest Fx process using between 0.1% to 0.4% CPU, with the rest of the Fx processes using a steady 0.0%.

I would guess that Fx has CPU utilization well under control. I'm not sure I'd say the same about its memory footprint, especially after it's been running for a few months.

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Big Al wrote:

You simply can't have 200+ tabs.

I have had many time more than that.
Nowadays I have it a bit more under control, still gets above 200
regularly, but I have no qualms closing them all down every once in a
while ...

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:14:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos >playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a >non-active tab would use?

I currently have 1257 tabs open in Firefox. Looking at Taskmanager, I see the busiest Fx process using between 0.1% to 0.4% CPU, with the rest of the Fx processes using a steady 0.0%.

I would guess that Fx has CPU utilization well under control. I'm not sure I'd
say the same about its memory footprint, especially after it's been running for
a few months.

Why do you have that many tabs?
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On 7/22/24 05:03 PM, Ant wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:14:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos
playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a
non-active tab would use?

I currently have 1257 tabs open in Firefox. Looking at Taskmanager, I see the
busiest Fx process using between 0.1% to 0.4% CPU, with the rest of the Fx >> processes using a steady 0.0%.

I would guess that Fx has CPU utilization well under control. I'm not sure I'd
say the same about its memory footprint, especially after it's been running for
a few months.

Why do you have that many tabs?

And how do you see the tabs or find something. Yes I know there's a tab search but the tabs toolbar
has got to be useless.
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micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:

Lack of resources, CPU and Memory is a continuing problem, and is also something I need to better understand before I buy a new PC.

When I switch to one of my Firefox or Chrome windows or tabs, I often
find an animation that is moving, or more importantly a video that is playing, like an ad for a news website or advertising itself. Often
videos that I never actively started, all I did is load the webpage
earlier. Or I have an Amazon search page that shows no activity on the
screen but if I scroll down, there is one of their product videos. Was
this playing even when I could not see it?

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos
playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a non-active tab would use? I also imagine that programs other than web-browsers might be using resources, esp. CPU beyond what sitting
still requires even when they are not in focus, and that Windows 10
permits this. (My next laptop will be win11.)

I maximize all windows that can be maximized (mostly because the
alternative looks like a messy stack of papers)), so I only have one web browser tab showing at one time.

Is there a way to stop all the activity in tabs that do not have focus?

Or does Windows or the major browsers do this themselves and I'm misled because activity restarts the moment they get focus?

Chrome does.

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/12929150

I used to have a laptop with an Nvidia card and some graphics used a lot
of cpu. I never found a solution, other than to block offending elements
using Ublock Origin manual selection of elements feature.

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 17:27:54 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 7/22/24 05:03 PM, Ant wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:14:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them, >>>> or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos
playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a >>>> non-active tab would use?

I currently have 1257 tabs open in Firefox. Looking at Taskmanager, I see the
busiest Fx process using between 0.1% to 0.4% CPU, with the rest of the Fx >>> processes using a steady 0.0%.

I would guess that Fx has CPU utilization well under control. I'm not sure I'd
say the same about its memory footprint, especially after it's been running for
a few months.

Why do you have that many tabs?

And how do you see the tabs or find something. Yes I know there's a tab search but the tabs toolbar

Years ago I made all the entries in the tabs toolbar as short as I
could, so I could get as many showing as possible, about 10 or 12, plus
I used 2 or 3 from the overflow list, but these are for for tabs that
are not open that I want to re-open.

has got to be useless.

It's going to take me a little longer to reply to some of the other
posts, but this one has a good answer.

Maybe this is what you meant by tabs search. In Firefox, in the
location box, if you start with % as in %searchword it will give you a
list of N number of current tabs that match the searchword, searching
all the windows at the same time. I should know by now what order the
list is in (age since last viewed?, age since first retrieved?, left to right?), but I don't. Anyone know? I don't think it will match two non-consecutive words at the same time, and I'm not sure where all it
looks for the word, maybe the url, maybe the title of the webpage,
probably both. Anywhere else, maybe but I don't know.

There are other prefixes for 2 other things, iirc bookmarks and maybe
history, but I've never wanted to use those. I use % frequently.

I learned about these here, the Firefox group, iirc.

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On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 17:27:54 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 7/22/24 05:03 PM, Ant wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:14:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them, >>>> or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos
playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a >>>> non-active tab would use?

I currently have 1257 tabs open in Firefox. Looking at Taskmanager, I see the
busiest Fx process using between 0.1% to 0.4% CPU, with the rest of the Fx >>> processes using a steady 0.0%.

I would guess that Fx has CPU utilization well under control. I'm not sure I'd
say the same about its memory footprint, especially after it's been running for
a few months.

Why do you have that many tabs?

What would be a good number?

And how do you see the tabs or find something. Yes I know there's a tab search but the tabs toolbar
has got to be useless.

I'm not sure what that means. AFAICT, nothing is useless and everything works just as it should.

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On 7/22/2024 10:33 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 17:27:54 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 7/22/24 05:03 PM, Ant wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:14:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and >>>>> have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them, >>>>> or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos >>>>> playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a >>>>> non-active tab would use?

I currently have 1257 tabs open in Firefox. Looking at Taskmanager, I see the
busiest Fx process using between 0.1% to 0.4% CPU, with the rest of the Fx >>>> processes using a steady 0.0%.

I would guess that Fx has CPU utilization well under control. I'm not sure I'd
say the same about its memory footprint, especially after it's been running for
a few months.

Why do you have that many tabs?

What would be a good number?

And how do you see the tabs or find something. Yes I know there's a tab search but the tabs toolbar
has got to be useless.

I'm not sure what that means. AFAICT, nothing is useless and everything works just as it should.

I tried 200 tabs and RAM was 22GB. Minus the 6-7GB which is <cough>
"normal" for the OS, that many tabs could be 15*6=90GB or so.

What was interesting when I started, with fewer tabs, is there seemed to be more graphics memory used. But when 200 were loaded, it settled down to a
lower level.

For the test case, I put all 200 tabs into one window instance. Initial
testing started out with an ad-hoc mixture of tabbed and untabbed windows.
Just a few, to see where it was headed. If I had opened 200 windows, instead
of one window with 200 tabs, it might have ended differently. But I don't
think anyone does it that way.

The launch method, I'm still not entirely happy with it. A portion of the tabs have to be re-loaded to work properly. The install is 64-bit Firefox rather than 32-bit. (Normally for non-automation usage, I would install the 32-bit version to try to limit any runaway behaviors.) I tried it without "start"
and it worked less well.

start "" "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" -new-tab https://news.yahoo.com
start "" "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" -new-tab https://news.yahoo.com
start "" "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" -new-tab https://news.yahoo.com
start "" "C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" -new-tab https://news.yahoo.com
...

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/25PGqjF3/two-hundred-tabs-Win10-FF128-ESR.gif

There's a fair lump in the graph, when Yahoo brings in another set of advertising files.

For Micky, I suspect his graphics acceleration isn't working, and it is
using the CPU for part of it. DXDiag says my graphics support is WDDM 3.1,
and another setup I had, where it was WDDM 1.0 , it wasn't entirely happy
but it was "running". Win10 22H2 no longer accepts XDDM drivers, so my
Optiplex 780 needed a video card. The driver for that card, stopped
at WDDM 1.1 :-) According to the store receipt, the video card cost me $40. That's the cheapest card I ever got, and it's pretty nice for $40.
When you use laptops, you're kinda stuck with whatever is in there.

Micky could run Firefox, if he had one if these, but this would pop the
fuse on the car lighter socket :-) You won't find one of these at a
ham swap meet. This thing doesn't seem to have enough SODIMM slots.
I picked this, because it has removeable graphics modules. A previous generation had four SODIMMs.

https://eurocom.com/ec/data/groups/82.jpg

Previous efforts to build machines of that class, they used
two wall adapters.

As for the notion it is "long lived" or "upgradeable", I would
think you'd upgrade the blowers on it. It needs more blowers.
And maybe a couple hundred pound lithium power bank. For the car.

Paul

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On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 07:48:50 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 7/22/2024 10:33 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 17:27:54 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 7/22/24 05:03 PM, Ant wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 16:14:15 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>>

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and >>>>>> have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them, >>>>>> or I expect to need them again soon. Is it possible there are videos >>>>>> playing in many of them, all of them using CPU time and more ram than a >>>>>> non-active tab would use?

I currently have 1257 tabs open in Firefox. Looking at Taskmanager, I see the
busiest Fx process using between 0.1% to 0.4% CPU, with the rest of the Fx
processes using a steady 0.0%.

I would guess that Fx has CPU utilization well under control. I'm not sure I'd
say the same about its memory footprint, especially after it's been running for
a few months.

Why do you have that many tabs?

What would be a good number?

And how do you see the tabs or find something. Yes I know there's a tab search but the tabs toolbar
has got to be useless.

I'm not sure what that means. AFAICT, nothing is useless and everything works
just as it should.

I tried 200 tabs and RAM was 22GB. Minus the 6-7GB which is <cough>
"normal" for the OS, that many tabs could be 15*6=90GB or so.

At the moment, with 1258 tabs loaded, my Firefox is using 4.451GB. I think yours
would settle down if you gave it some time and maybe a reboot, as well.

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In article <ngpq9jdisujmkrg97lue474mn6089ad4kn@4ax.com>, micky wrote...

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon.

I start to get stressed when the number of open tabs gets into double figures. I'm comfortable with five or less. 200+ - sheesh. Imagine those were books or journals on a library table... You're also exposing yourself to significant information loss if the machine goes down for any reason.

Just like the library table with 200 volumes on it: you can't easily make sense of that without organising it. One option would be to make good use of your bookmarks hierarchy - you can "bookmark all tabs" in Chrome, and it'll ask you where you want to put them. Then you can use bookmark manager to build a hierarchy of grouped links. Resilient to outages, and so much easier to come back to after lunch!

But a better way (and this is what I do) is to use OneNote pages to organise my stuff. It's a three-second operation to copy a URL, type a word and then insert the link. And with (of course) room for notes on the page you can build a "revisable" document with links to all references.

Generally, if you want to comprehend a large number of items, it's easier to organise them by grouping and arranging them. Those are two ways of doing that.

--

Phil, London

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:39:02 +0100, Philip Herlihy <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

In article <ngpq9jdisujmkrg97lue474mn6089ad4kn@4ax.com>, micky wrote...

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon.

I start to get stressed when the number of open tabs gets into double figures. >I'm comfortable with five or less. 200+ - sheesh. Imagine those were books or
journals on a library table... You're also exposing yourself to significant >information loss if the machine goes down for any reason.

Just a guess, but I'm thinking that people who keep tabs open probably configure
their browser(s) to open the previous session when the browser is launched. The risk of information loss is never zero, but it's close enough to be effectively zero.

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In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:47:17 -0500, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:39:02 +0100, Philip Herlihy ><PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

In article <ngpq9jdisujmkrg97lue474mn6089ad4kn@4ax.com>, micky wrote...

I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and
have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them,
or I expect to need them again soon.

I start to get stressed when the number of open tabs gets into double figures.
I'm comfortable with five or less. 200+ - sheesh. Imagine those were books or
journals on a library table... You're also exposing yourself to significant >>information loss if the machine goes down for any reason.

Just a guess, but I'm thinking that people who keep tabs open probably configure
their browser(s) to open the previous session when the browser is launched. The
risk of information loss is never zero, but it's close enough to be effectively
zero.

Yes, I have it open the previous session. Frankly, even if I only had 1
or 2 tabs, I'd still want it to do that. I don't know anyone wouldn't,
but people are different.

On a few occasions over 10 years when windows crashed, the most recently
opened tabs were not there, I think, when I restarted Firefox. Maybe the previous 5 minutes, maybe less. It has not been a big problem, since
even I can remember the previous 5 minutes and if I do forget, my mind
will probably think of the same question and search for or open the same
url again. I don't know when it records what tabs are open, to be
reopened. I don't do anything to cause it to happen.

I've gathered the info in all these replies, for myself and my friend.
I've sent her an email and plan to discuss it with her, although she's
not stupid and she gets most of this stuff pretty quickly. She actually
took a course in PC's about the time she first bought one, 20 or 30
years ago. And I think it was a good course.

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On Thu, 8/1/2024 12:53 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:47:17 -0500, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:39:02 +0100, Philip Herlihy
<PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

In article <ngpq9jdisujmkrg97lue474mn6089ad4kn@4ax.com>, micky wrote... >>>> I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and

have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them, >>>> or I expect to need them again soon.

I start to get stressed when the number of open tabs gets into double figures.
I'm comfortable with five or less. 200+ - sheesh. Imagine those were books or
journals on a library table... You're also exposing yourself to significant
information loss if the machine goes down for any reason.

Just a guess, but I'm thinking that people who keep tabs open probably configure
their browser(s) to open the previous session when the browser is launched. The
risk of information loss is never zero, but it's close enough to be effectively
zero.

Yes, I have it open the previous session. Frankly, even if I only had 1
or 2 tabs, I'd still want it to do that. I don't know anyone wouldn't,
but people are different.

On a few occasions over 10 years when windows crashed, the most recently opened tabs were not there, I think, when I restarted Firefox. Maybe the previous 5 minutes, maybe less. It has not been a big problem, since
even I can remember the previous 5 minutes and if I do forget, my mind
will probably think of the same question and search for or open the same
url again. I don't know when it records what tabs are open, to be
reopened. I don't do anything to cause it to happen.

I've gathered the info in all these replies, for myself and my friend.
I've sent her an email and plan to discuss it with her, although she's
not stupid and she gets most of this stuff pretty quickly. She actually
took a course in PC's about the time she first bought one, 20 or 30
years ago. And I think it was a good course.

This is what you want in your next laptop :-)

It draws more power than your car lighter socket can supply.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/5-new-intel-grante-rapids-chips-discovered-with-up-to-128-cores-500w-tdp

*******

In Windows, when the CPU has a lot of cores, Task Manager
switches to heat map, at 64 cores.

https://i.sstatic.net/W42XN.png

Notice the loading isn't smoothed over the cores. In Firefox, you
have the controls (new window versus new tab), to do some
smoothing of your own. For example, sixteen Firefox windows with
sixteen tabs in each, may make some of the tabs slightly more
responsive.

*******

I finally found a good Linux example. I think you will like what you see here, as a Windows user. This has made my day.

https://i.sstatic.net/KY6WX.png # They got a Task Manager!!! Isn't that pretty ?

( https://askubuntu.com/questions/950262/task-manager-a-ui-like-with-windows-10s-one )

That application is unlikely to be in the Repository. Even if that's just
a cheesy graphical mockup, that is fine-looking.

What's interesting in the picture, is how the load is smoothed out
over the cores. We cannot conclude anything from one picture, but
some day we'll be comparing more of these pictures. Once the Linux
Task Manager is vetted and checked for issues.

Paul

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Am 01.08.24 um 18:53 schrieb micky:

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:47:17 -0500, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:39:02 +0100, Philip Herlihy
<PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

In article <ngpq9jdisujmkrg97lue474mn6089ad4kn@4ax.com>, micky wrote... >>>> I have quite a few tabs I have not finished looking at, over 200, and

have not closed, because I have not finished reading or studying them, >>>> or I expect to need them again soon.

I start to get stressed when the number of open tabs gets into double figures.
I'm comfortable with five or less. 200+ - sheesh. Imagine those were books or
journals on a library table... You're also exposing yourself to significant
information loss if the machine goes down for any reason.

Just a guess, but I'm thinking that people who keep tabs open probably configure
their browser(s) to open the previous session when the browser is launched. The
risk of information loss is never zero, but it's close enough to be effectively
zero.

Yes, I have it open the previous session. Frankly, even if I only had 1
or 2 tabs, I'd still want it to do that. I don't know anyone wouldn't,
but people are different.

Now you know someone. I hate such messy attitudes. So far I do not know
anyone doing that regularly.

In the case of FF this can mean over time more than just 1 or 2 GB RAM
blocked for nothing.


--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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Jörg Lorenz wrote:

schrieb micky:

Yes, I have it open the previous session.  Frankly, even if I only had 1
or 2 tabs, I'd still want it to do that. I don't know anyone wouldn't,
but people are different.

Now you know someone. I hate such messy attitudes. So far I do not know anyone doing that regularly.

In the case of FF this can mean over time more than just 1 or 2 GB RAM blocked for nothing.

My mess doesn't hurt you :-)

I used to regularly have hundreds of tabs open as pseudo-bookmarks,
nowadays FF is much better at handling dormant tabs, and I'm much better
at just ditching all current tabs every week or so ... still FF eats way
too much RAM though.

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