• Re: Wallpaper changed, to the same thing in 2 computers

    From Big Al@21:1/5 to micky on Fri Aug 9 10:02:45 2024
    On 8/9/24 09:43 AM, micky wrote:
    Wallpaper changed, to the same thing in 2 computers

    I chose a pretty simple wallpaper for the win10 home screen, because I
    get confused by the complicated pictures underneath all my iconss, and
    I've used it for years, but the other day it changed to some mountain
    view. When I started the other win10 computer, it had the same
    wallpaper!! (Even though it used to have to the same simple paper.)
    Next time it was a long wide wooden pier. but with no boats docked at
    it, extending from the bottom of the screen way out into a lake.

    Today, the pictue changed to 3 steep jagged mountains reflected in a
    lake.

    I haven't restarted the other one yet.

    Did other people get their wallpape setting erased or modified by MS?
    Did you see the same photos I have? Mostly curious. Interested in how
    MS does things. I presume I can figure out where I set the wallpaper
    and change it back again.
    Probably set to Windows Spotlight in the personalize part of settings. Maybe? --
    Linux Mint 21.3, Cinnamon 6.0.4, Kernel 5.15.0-118-generic
    Al

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 9 09:43:33 2024
    Wallpaper changed, to the same thing in 2 computers

    I chose a pretty simple wallpaper for the win10 home screen, because I
    get confused by the complicated pictures underneath all my iconss, and
    I've used it for years, but the other day it changed to some mountain
    view. When I started the other win10 computer, it had the same
    wallpaper!! (Even though it used to have to the same simple paper.)
    Next time it was a long wide wooden pier. but with no boats docked at
    it, extending from the bottom of the screen way out into a lake.

    Today, the pictue changed to 3 steep jagged mountains reflected in a
    lake.

    I haven't restarted the other one yet.

    Did other people get their wallpape setting erased or modified by MS?
    Did you see the same photos I have? Mostly curious. Interested in how
    MS does things. I presume I can figure out where I set the wallpaper
    and change it back again.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to alan@invalid.com on Fri Aug 9 23:40:12 2024
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 9 Aug 2024 10:02:45 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 8/9/24 09:43 AM, micky wrote:
    Wallpaper changed, to the same thing in 2 computers

    I chose a pretty simple wallpaper for the win10 home screen, because I
    get confused by the complicated pictures underneath all my iconss, and
    I've used it for years, but the other day it changed to some mountain
    view. When I started the other win10 computer, it had the same
    wallpaper!! (Even though it used to have to the same simple paper.)
    Next time it was a long wide wooden pier. but with no boats docked at
    it, extending from the bottom of the screen way out into a lake.

    Today, the pictue changed to 3 steep jagged mountains reflected in a
    lake.

    I haven't restarted the other one yet.

    Did other people get their wallpape setting erased or modified by MS?
    Did you see the same photos I have? Mostly curious. Interested in how
    MS does things. I presume I can figure out where I set the wallpaper
    and change it back again.
    Probably set to Windows Spotlight in the personalize part of settings. Maybe?

    Hey, you're right. In both cases. I set them back to picture and to
    the first picture, which is blue with a win logo on the right.

    I've read about updates changing other things. Can't they write an
    update that doesn't do that? Thanks, Al.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to ...winston on Sat Aug 10 11:00:42 2024
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 10 Aug 2024 02:30:06 -0400,
    "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

    micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 9 Aug 2024 10:02:45 -0400, Big Al
    <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 8/9/24 09:43 AM, micky wrote:
    Wallpaper changed, to the same thing in 2 computers

    I chose a pretty simple wallpaper for the win10 home screen, because I >>>> get confused by the complicated pictures underneath all my iconss, and >>>> I've used it for years, but the other day it changed to some mountain
    view. When I started the other win10 computer, it had the same
    wallpaper!! (Even though it used to have to the same simple paper.)
    Next time it was a long wide wooden pier. but with no boats docked at
    it, extending from the bottom of the screen way out into a lake.

    Today, the pictue changed to 3 steep jagged mountains reflected in a
    lake.

    I haven't restarted the other one yet.

    Did other people get their wallpape setting erased or modified by MS?
    Did you see the same photos I have? Mostly curious. Interested in how >>>> MS does things. I presume I can figure out where I set the wallpaper >>>> and change it back again.
    Probably set to Windows Spotlight in the personalize part of settings. Maybe?

    Hey, you're right. In both cases. I set them back to picture and to
    the first picture, which is blue with a win logo on the right.

    I've read about updates changing other things. Can't they write an
    update that doesn't do that? Thanks, Al.


    Window Update doesn't change the previously configured theme/background
    etc. setting.
    What does change it...
    - User changing the personalization features - theme/background/etc.

    I certainly didn't touch anything. I haven't been on that page in
    years. And even if one can do it from somwwhere else, I'd have to have
    been hypnotized to make the same change to both without knowing it.

    - Sync settings enabled for and across the same Microsoft account

    I think I have an MS account***, but I never actively log into** to it.
    I dont' want sync and I have never intentionally set up sync, and sync
    would only change the 2nd computer if I had changed the first one, which
    I did not.

    **I wonder if there is a way I could check to see if I'm logged in now.

    *** ** Googling "check if I am logged into MS account" I found I could
    check my previous 30 days: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/account-billing/check-the-recent-sign-in-activity-for-your-microsoft-account-5b3cfb8e-70b3-2bd6-9a56-a50177863357

    and wnen I clicked on See your recent activity it brought me to a
    page where it knew my MS userid, which I am reminded is the same as my
    Skjpe ID, and I remember now that they are the same, and I did enrol in
    Skype many years ago, and iirc MS later bought Skype. When I clicked
    on Next, it said Something went wrong. So I did it again and it said it
    sent me a code, and that worked.

    It showed that I was now signed in from Baltimore, which is indeed where
    I am. This, just now, is the only successful login listed.

    It showed in the last 7 days Unsuccssful signins from the US 6 times
    including 3 times 4 nights ago & more UNsucesful from Brazil 7 times,
    from Gaza 1 time,
    from Pakistan 2 times,
    and from Uruguay 1 time. and
    in the previous 11 days: Brazil 3 times
    Uruguay 1 time
    USA 10 times
    It said it would show 30 days but the earliest one is 18 days ago. Maybe
    the previous 12 days had no attempts.

    I've never been to any of these places except the USA. Haven't been out
    of the country in the last 6 months.

    None were sucessful. The 16 from the US might conceivably have been by
    me, since even today's succssful one is just labeled United States, but
    they are all unsuccessful (and none included an email to me with a
    code). I'm 99.99% sure the background image on the home pages changed
    less than 18 days ago.

    It says about Today, "Session activity, Additional verification
    requested" which I think refers to sending me the code. I've never
    gotten a code before as part of logging into my MS account, so since
    they've required codes, I've never logged into my MS account. I haven't
    used Skype in years.

    So it's a mystery.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com on Sat Aug 10 11:12:54 2024
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 10 Aug 2024 11:00:42 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:


    *** ** Googling "check if I am logged into MS account" I found I could
    check my previous 30 days: >https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/account-billing/check-the-recent-sign-in-activity-for-your-microsoft-account-5b3cfb8e-70b3-2bd6-9a56-a50177863357

    and wnen I clicked on See your recent activity it brought me to a
    page where it knew my MS userid, which I am reminded is the same as my
    Skjpe ID, and I remember now that they are the same, and I did enrol in
    Skype many years ago, and iirc MS later bought Skype. When I clicked
    on Next, it said Something went wrong. So I did it again and it said it
    sent me a code, and that worked.

    It showed that I was now signed in from Baltimore, which is indeed where
    I am. This, just now, is the only successful login listed.

    It's interesting that for my desktop, the MS account says I have 16GB
    RAM, but I actually have 32 GB. I don't remember if the reconditioned
    the box came with 32 or it had 16 and I bought more, but even if the
    latter, I'm surprised a MS could find out about the 16 but didn't update
    when I got 16 more, which would have been right after I got the box.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to ...winston on Thu Sep 12 19:35:00 2024
    ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
    micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 9 Aug 2024 10:02:45 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
    [...]
    Probably set to Windows Spotlight in the personalize part of
    settings. Maybe?

    Hey, you're right. In both cases. I set them back to picture and to
    the first picture, which is blue with a win logo on the right.

    I've read about updates changing other things. Can't they write an
    update that doesn't do that? Thanks, Al.

    Window Update doesn't change the previously configured theme/background
    etc. setting.

    Yes, it does! Happened to my wife's Windows 10 system. (System was off
    during June, July and August. On September 4, the backlog was updated.)
    (N.B. Did not happen to my Windows 11 system.)

    What does change it...

    - User changing the personalization features - theme/background/etc.

    Nope. She wouldn't know how/where to do that.

    - Sync settings enabled for and across the same Microsoft account

    Nope. Local account only.

    N.B. I have still a big backlog of articles, so I might not see
    responses for quite some time.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Sep 12 23:19:42 2024
    On Thu, 9/12/2024 3:35 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
    micky wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 9 Aug 2024 10:02:45 -0400, Big Al
    <alan@invalid.com> wrote:
    [...]
    Probably set to Windows Spotlight in the personalize part of
    settings. Maybe?

    Hey, you're right. In both cases. I set them back to picture and to
    the first picture, which is blue with a win logo on the right.

    I've read about updates changing other things. Can't they write an
    update that doesn't do that? Thanks, Al.

    Window Update doesn't change the previously configured theme/background
    etc. setting.

    Yes, it does! Happened to my wife's Windows 10 system. (System was off during June, July and August. On September 4, the backlog was updated.)
    (N.B. Did not happen to my Windows 11 system.)

    What does change it...

    - User changing the personalization features - theme/background/etc.

    Nope. She wouldn't know how/where to do that.

    - Sync settings enabled for and across the same Microsoft account

    Nope. Local account only.

    N.B. I have still a big backlog of articles, so I might not see
    responses for quite some time.


    You can right click on an image file, and make the image your wallpaper
    for the desktop session. This works even if Windows is not activated
    and other Personalization paths are blocked. I find it handy to fit a
    blank image, so when taking screenshot images, the disk space needed
    for the image is reduced by having a flat wallpaper.

    On a couple of occasions, I have also managed to take a screenshot
    of the desktop and accidentally made that the wallpaper. Playing the
    classic joke... on myself! This is most annoying when it happens.
    It's possible I was in Irfanview at the time.

    And sometimes the scroll wheel slips, and the desktop icons end up
    the wrong size. I'll be in GIMP, zooming in or out, and the mouse
    slides off the image and hits the desktop, while the scroll wheel
    is turning.

    Now, we know Microsoft cannot help themselves on some of the settings.
    "Your screen saver should trigger in ten minutes, and here, let me
    help you with that. You obviously set it incorrectly and here I will
    set it to ten minutes for you." I have already related the story, where
    I was using some Troubleshooter (unrelated to graphics or screens), and
    at the end of the troubleshooting session, out of the blue text appears
    telling me my screen saver isn't set to ten minutes, and we will be
    correcting that for you while we are here. Now, I love a meme when I see
    one, so this just made my day. The Omnimart Catch Of The Day.
    A Ten Minute Shampoo.

    Paul

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to ...winston on Fri Sep 13 12:49:36 2024
    ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:
    ...winston <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
    Window Update doesn't change the previously configured theme/background
    etc. setting.

    Yes, it does! Happened to my wife's Windows 10 system. (System was off during June, July and August. On September 4, the backlog was updated.) (N.B. Did not happen to my Windows 11 system.)

    Check your(her) settings. No code exists in current o/s monthly updates
    to change user settings.

    I didn't have to check, but did anyway. The Background is of course
    set to 'Windows-spotlight' (spelling on Dutch Windows 10).

    No code exists in current o/s monthly updates
    to change user settings.

    ... as far as your are aware of!

    The setting *did* change for Micky and *did* change for my wife's
    Windows 10 system. Theory versus practice. See also Paul's response
    about Microsoft changes settings for no good reason.

    What does change it...

    - User changing the personalization features - theme/background/etc.

    Nope. She wouldn't know how/where to do that.

    Knowing or not knowing where does not and has never meant being
    configured to do so.

    Sorry, I can't parse that sentence. Fact is, she didn't touch it and I
    - her system manager - didn't touch it, but the background *did* change
    to Windows Spotlight after Windows Update had done its thing (and the
    system had restarted).

    - Sync settings enabled for and across the same Microsoft account

    Nope. Local account only.

    Fyi...Synced theme option for Local account is available in Windows 10.

    Huh? Synced with *what*?

    N.B. I have still a big backlog of articles, so I might not see
    responses for quite some time.

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  • From Piotrne@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Tue Sep 17 22:39:27 2024
    On 2024-09-13 14:49, Frank Slootweg wrote:

    Fact is, she didn't touch it and I - her system manager - didn't
    touch it, but the background *did* change to Windows Spotlight after
    Windows Update had done its thing (and the system had restarted).
    - Sync settings enabled for and across the same Microsoft account
    Nope. Local account only.

    I confirm, the same thing happened to me in August on three computers
    with Windows 10. Two laptops and one PC, running on local accounts.
    Instead of the wallpaper I set a few years ago, some crazy pictures
    appeared and an icon in the upper right corner asking if I liked it.
    Horrible.

    P.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 21:44:58 2024
    On Fri, 09 Aug 2024 09:43:33 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    I chose a pretty simple wallpaper for the win10 home screen, because I
    get confused by the complicated pictures underneath all my iconss, and
    I've used it for years, but the other day it changed to some mountain
    view. When I started the other win10 computer, it had the same
    wallpaper!! (Even though it used to have to the same simple paper.)
    Next time it was a long wide wooden pier. but with no boats docked at
    it, extending from the bottom of the screen way out into a lake.

    I use a solid black background for my wallpaper since by default Win
    10 uses white text for its descriptions of the icons and that's the
    easiest way to read them.

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Sat Oct 26 07:58:13 2024
    On 10/26/2024 12:44 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:

    I use a solid black background for my wallpaper since by default Win
    10 uses white text for its descriptions of the icons and that's the
    easiest way to read them.


    In my experience, Windows will use white or black text, depending
    on the image. Personally I'm mystified by the current console window
    fashion of white on black. It seems hard to read and almost macabre
    to me. Maybe it's all those movies where powerful computer code is
    portayed as streaming quickly down a black screen as white text, so
    that people end up thinking that white-on-black is "the real stuff".

    My background image is a vast summer sky with cumulous clouds.
    I find the blue cheerful and don't want excessive complexity in the
    image.

    I had a similar problem, though, with the boot screen not taking.
    I finally just figured out where the images were, removed folder
    restrictions, and deleted everything except the image I wanted to use.
    That worked.

    Win10 is the most brittle Windows OS I've encountered.
    I'm guessing that the extreme bloat/complexity has something to do
    with it, combined with willy nilly dripfeed updates. Though once I got
    things set up and blocked updates -- it's been stable since then...
    Save for the one time I made the mistake of updating again. :)

    The only other such weird instability I recall was one weird bug in
    WinME, where every once in awhile the Desktop background would
    just be gone. Instead there'd be a white screen with a red error
    message. No apparent cause. Probably a minor coding error that
    manifested if conditions were just right.

    I've found it hard to figure out problems with Win10. The Personalize
    applet went dead. What's with that? Then the System applet went dead.
    What's with that? Beats me. All from an update that supposedly wouldn't
    even install. The only pattern I seem to find is that if I fiddle
    with anything, something breaks. I couldn't even activate the system
    until I re-installed and did it BEFORE I started tweaking. With Win10, Microsoft seem to be designing it more in terms of WaaS. They expect
    to control it.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 12:17:24 2024
    On Sat, 10/26/2024 7:58 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
    On 10/26/2024 12:44 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:

    I use a solid black background for my wallpaper since by default Win
    10 uses white text for its descriptions of the icons and that's the
    easiest way to read them.


      In my experience, Windows will use white or black text, depending
    on the image. Personally I'm mystified by the current console window
    fashion of white on black. It seems hard to read and almost macabre
    to me. Maybe it's all those movies where powerful computer code is
    portayed as streaming quickly down a black screen as white text, so
    that people end up thinking that white-on-black is "the real stuff".

      My background image is a vast summer sky with cumulous clouds.
    I find the blue cheerful and don't want excessive complexity in the
    image.

       I had a similar problem, though, with the boot screen not taking.
    I finally just figured out where the images were, removed folder restrictions, and deleted everything except the image I wanted to use.
    That worked.

        Win10 is the most brittle Windows OS I've encountered.
    I'm guessing that the extreme bloat/complexity has something to do
    with it, combined with willy nilly dripfeed updates. Though once I got
    things set up and blocked updates -- it's been stable since then...
    Save for the one time I made the mistake of updating again. :)

      The only other such weird instability I recall was one weird bug in
    WinME, where every once in awhile the Desktop background would
    just be gone. Instead there'd be a white screen with a red error
    message. No apparent cause. Probably a minor coding error that
    manifested if conditions were just right.

      I've found it hard to figure out problems with Win10. The Personalize applet went dead. What's with that? Then the System applet went dead.
    What's with that? Beats me. All from an update that supposedly wouldn't
    even install. The only pattern I seem to find is that if I fiddle
    with anything, something breaks. I couldn't even activate the system
    until I re-installed and did it BEFORE I started tweaking. With Win10, Microsoft seem to be designing it more in terms of WaaS. They expect
    to control it.

    There is a difference in philosophy involved.

    If you or I were designing the desktop background, we would:

    1) Receive your request and record your picture choice, immediately,
    in the registry. SilverLake.jpg .
    2) Transformations (compensation for native resolution) can be
    computed on the fly. The OS has the JPG-turbo library for example.

    The current methods, they may start with a picture, the picture
    is transformed into one directory. Transformed a second time into
    another directory. Anonymized so it is not traceable. Then maybe
    a registry entry points at the manufactured product. All the while
    permissions are applied to the folder, making it tough for the
    user to do this or that to it.

    On the login screen, I tried to assign an image, and I (like a fool)
    used a .bmp . Now .bmp is a native Windows thing, it isn't something
    from outer space. The software "accepted" my choice -- it did not
    immediately throw an error and say "dumbass, we only accept jpg and png".
    It just ate my offering. But the next day when the login prompt is
    presented, the screen is black. Which means my picture was not accepted.
    Even though it is trivial to have an image library (like an irfanview)
    that can deal with any image type, this process broke down for my choice.
    The thing was, the image was a solid color, I want my solid colors on the desktop to be invariant (no round off errors in the math of a JPG
    making color differences), and .bmp is one way of doing that. When I take screenshots and reduce to GIF compression, the color space reduction usually deals with the color space rounding errors of JPG, but I would rather know
    in advance my picture is easy to compress.

    Each "customization" then, is a complicated web of deceit, complete with lack of
    immediate feedback to the user to "try again". Instead, we go the long-loop, wait for the user to discover "golly, that fucked up", then remember
    where that dialog was again to try to change it.

    What design school teaches this I wonder ? Devry Institute ?

    During an update, system state can be modified, such as stopping
    and starting services again. Some amount of the update happens during
    shutdown (PendMoves, move files to final location), and some things
    happen at startup. Through it all, services have been modified sometimes.
    But, if before shutdown, you see things on Patch Tuesday that are malfunctioning, that means a service or one of its dependencies
    has already been harmed and the issue should resolve on the reboot.

    If it didn't resolve, you could use a DISM run to scan the package
    state, and restore packages. Really, the old package version should
    not be disturbed. It was creating a new version of one of a thousand
    packages in WinSxS at the time. And in theory, just tidying up the
    set of packages, and the pointer to which one loads, should be enough.
    Then a hardlink needs to be crafted, from WinSxS to the file instance
    in System32, to make the "OS image" in there.

    If an OS update uses a temporary profile, it may need an extra reboot
    to restore the pointer to the user profile. This means it may take
    two reboots to return to normal operation. Not every Windows Update
    uses a temporary profile. They were enamored with the concept at first,
    then a few things broke and a few more things broke, and they are
    a bit more careful now. Temporary profiles now, are used when they
    are really needed.

    Paul

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