• Russians War Ships have reached Iran

    From Binali Yildirim@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 23 01:55:53 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have reached Iran
    and so Americans have scrambled their Secretary of State, Antony
    Blinken, to mediate quickly between Israel, Iran and Russia before war
    breaks out directly between Russia and Israel.

    America doesn't want terrorist state of Israel trashed to rubble like
    Gaza, and Lebanon. Watch the space.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Binali Yildirim on Wed Oct 23 03:23:33 2024
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 01:55:53 +0000, Binali Yildirim <hjuikjh@derfdsw.lokijhy> wrote:
    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have reached Iran
    and so Americans have scrambled their Secretary of State, Antony
    Blinken, to mediate quickly between Israel, Iran and Russia before war
    breaks out directly between Russia and Israel.
    America doesn't want terrorist state of Israel trashed to rubble like
    Gaza, and Lebanon. Watch the space.

    they just play war games . . . no actual mushroom clouds over populated
    areas since those two atomic bomb attacks on japan back in 1945 ... but microsoft windows users will be pleased to hear about this long-awaited
    tor browser 14.0 update released today (22 october 2024) . . .

    https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-140/
    New Release: Tor Browser 14.0
    by duncan | October 22, 2024
    Tor Browser 14.0 is now available from the Tor Browser download page >https://www.torproject.org/download/
    and our distribution directory.
    https://dist.torproject.org/torbrowser/14.0/
    This is our first stable release based on Firefox ESR 128, incorporating
    a year's worth of changes shipped upstream in Firefox. As part of this >process we've also completed our annual ESR transition audit, where we >reviewed and addressed over 200 Bugzilla issues for changes in Firefox
    that may negatively affect the privacy and security of Tor Browser users.
    Our final reports from this audit are now available in the tor-browser-
    spec repository on our Gitlab instance.
    Firefox's design also continues to evolve, and the ESR transition is our >opportunity to update Tor Browser to reflect the most recent patterns and >styles used in Firefox. For example, eagle-eyed Tor Browser users will
    notice updates to Tor Browser's typography that we've inherited from
    Firefox, including heavier headings and changes to line heights intended
    to improve font compatibility and accessibility.
    In addition to the ESR, we overcame many other technical challenges that
    you can read more about in Morgan's series of blog posts chronicling the >team's progress with Tor Browser Alpha, including: unifying Tor Browser
    for Android's codebase into a monorepo, addressing reproducibility issues
    in our Android APK generation, reducing Android's APK size for x86 and
    x86_64 platforms, and changes to how we spoof Tor Browser's user agent,
    to name a few. This release also includes a series of improvements to the >usability and compatibility of our fingerprinting protections without >compromising their effectiveness, allowing us to enable useful features
    like picture-in-picture, screenshots and more.
    [end quoted excerpt]

    update message to windows 7/8 users . . .

    "You can not perform further updates on this system"

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  • From Char Jackson@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Tue Oct 22 21:47:30 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 21:15:54 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Binali Yildirim <hjuikjh@derfdsw.lokijhy> wrote:

    Path: ...!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail

    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have ...
    <drivel snipped>

    Another troll posting off-topic (spam) to tarnish the reputation of
    paganini, the Usenet provider that gave the troll free access.

    Since you mentioned paganini, what's your connection to it?

    http://paganini.bofh.team/

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to hjuikjh@derfdsw.lokijhy on Wed Oct 23 04:51:54 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 01:55:53 +0000, Binali Yildirim
    <hjuikjh@derfdsw.lokijhy> wrote:

    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have reached Iran

    But which version of Windows are they using -- 7, 10 or 11?

    And would they have reached Iran if they had used Linux?


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Binali Yildirim on Tue Oct 22 21:15:54 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    Binali Yildirim <hjuikjh@derfdsw.lokijhy> wrote:

    Path: ...!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail

    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have ...
    <drivel snipped>

    Another troll posting off-topic (spam) to tarnish the reputation of
    paganini, the Usenet provider that gave the troll free access.

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  • From JJ@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 23 20:52:56 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 01:55:53 +0000, Binali Yildirim wrote:

    <PLONK!>

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Binali Yildirim on Wed Oct 23 17:16:02 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 10/22/24 18:55, Binali Yildirim wrote:
    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have reached Iran
    and so Americans have scrambled their Secretary of State, Antony
    Blinken, to mediate quickly between Israel, Iran and Russia before war
    breaks out directly between Russia and Israel.

    America doesn't want terrorist state of Israel trashed to rubble like
    Gaza, and Lebanon. Watch the space.


    Binali,

    Please only post computer stuff here. Other groups have
    been ruined by this stuff. Please do not do that here.

    -T

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Char Jackson on Wed Oct 23 23:00:04 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Binali Yildirim <hjuikjh@derfdsw.lokijhy> wrote:

    Path: ...!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail

    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have ...
    <drivel snipped>

    Another troll posting off-topic (spam) to tarnish the reputation of
    paganini, the Usenet provider that gave the troll free access.

    Since you mentioned paganini, what's your connection to it?

    http://paganini.bofh.team/

    Look at the injection node in the PATH header (which I showed in my
    reply), the Message-ID header, and the Injection-Info header in the
    spammer's post. Paganini/Solani provides both unregistered (no login)
    and registered (login required) access to Usenet. The unregistered
    access has limits, but trolls won't exceed them.

    This trolls Injection-Info header looks like:

    Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team;
    logging-data="3174714";
    posting-host="dY/BZaq15lG3fCJA4/eYKQ.user.paganini.bofh.team";
    mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team";
    posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A";

    Some other paganini users have:

    Injection-Info: solani.org;
    logging-data="50484";
    mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org"

    Ivo Gandolfo, paganini owner, has:

    Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team;
    logging-data="467124";
    posting-host="OpunxxRnouXHcLgaM1zFTw.user.paganini.bofh.team";
    mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team";
    posting-account="NnMoDEm3qkIJGKBtBYRUeg";

    So, there are some differences in the clauses in the Injection-Info
    header, but I don't know that any header, or clauses within them, can be
    used to identify a poster is using registered or unregistered access to paganini/solani.

    AIOE was unregistered free.
    Eternal-September is registered free.
    paganini has both.

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  • From Char Jackson@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Thu Oct 24 00:16:40 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:00:04 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Binali Yildirim <hjuikjh@derfdsw.lokijhy> wrote:

    Path: ...!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail

    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have ...
    <drivel snipped>

    Another troll posting off-topic (spam) to tarnish the reputation of
    paganini, the Usenet provider that gave the troll free access.

    Since you mentioned paganini, what's your connection to it?

    http://paganini.bofh.team/

    Look at the injection node in the PATH header (which I showed in my
    reply), the Message-ID header, and the Injection-Info header in the
    spammer's post. Paganini/Solani provides both unregistered (no login)
    and registered (login required) access to Usenet. The unregistered
    access has limits, but trolls won't exceed them.

    This trolls Injection-Info header looks like:

    Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team;
    logging-data="3174714";
    posting-host="dY/BZaq15lG3fCJA4/eYKQ.user.paganini.bofh.team";
    mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team";
    posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A";

    Some other paganini users have:

    Injection-Info: solani.org;
    logging-data="50484";
    mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org"

    Ivo Gandolfo, paganini owner, has:

    Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team;
    logging-data="467124";
    posting-host="OpunxxRnouXHcLgaM1zFTw.user.paganini.bofh.team";
    mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team";
    posting-account="NnMoDEm3qkIJGKBtBYRUeg";

    So, there are some differences in the clauses in the Injection-Info
    header, but I don't know that any header, or clauses within them, can be
    used to identify a poster is using registered or unregistered access to >paganini/solani.

    AIOE was unregistered free.
    Eternal-September is registered free.
    paganini has both.

    Actually, I was asking about this part, from the link below:

    "... And just to make VanguardLH happy, there will be a website soon... :)"

    http://paganini.bofh.team/

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Char Jackson on Fri Oct 25 14:19:43 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:00:04 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Binali Yildirim <hjuikjh@derfdsw.lokijhy> wrote:

    Path: ...!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail

    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have ...
    <drivel snipped>

    Another troll posting off-topic (spam) to tarnish the reputation of
    paganini, the Usenet provider that gave the troll free access.

    Since you mentioned paganini, what's your connection to it?

    http://paganini.bofh.team/

    Look at the injection node in the PATH header (which I showed in my
    reply), the Message-ID header, and the Injection-Info header in the >>spammer's post. Paganini/Solani provides both unregistered (no login)
    and registered (login required) access to Usenet. The unregistered
    access has limits, but trolls won't exceed them.

    This trolls Injection-Info header looks like:

    Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team;
    logging-data="3174714";
    posting-host="dY/BZaq15lG3fCJA4/eYKQ.user.paganini.bofh.team";
    mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team";
    posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A";

    Some other paganini users have:

    Injection-Info: solani.org;
    logging-data="50484";
    mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org"

    Ivo Gandolfo, paganini owner, has:

    Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team;
    logging-data="467124";
    posting-host="OpunxxRnouXHcLgaM1zFTw.user.paganini.bofh.team";
    mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team";
    posting-account="NnMoDEm3qkIJGKBtBYRUeg";

    So, there are some differences in the clauses in the Injection-Info
    header, but I don't know that any header, or clauses within them, can be >>used to identify a poster is using registered or unregistered access to >>paganini/solani.

    AIOE was unregistered free.
    Eternal-September is registered free.
    paganini has both.

    Actually, I was asking about this part, from the link below:

    "... And just to make VanguardLH happy, there will be a website soon... :)"

    http://paganini.bofh.team/

    Probably due to discussions in the news.software.readers newsgroup where
    I mentioned that users wanting to figure out the hostname(s) and port(s)
    had to get that info from other paganini users, or from an online
    search, because there was no web site with that info. If someone told
    you there was a paganini BOFH Usenet provider for free, where would you
    get the info on how to configure your NNTP client to use it?

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  • From Char Jackson@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Fri Oct 25 20:50:27 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:19:43 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    Actually, I was asking about this part, from the link below:

    "... And just to make VanguardLH happy, there will be a website soon... :)" >>
    http://paganini.bofh.team/

    Probably due to discussions in the news.software.readers newsgroup where
    I mentioned that users wanting to figure out the hostname(s) and port(s)
    had to get that info from other paganini users, or from an online
    search, because there was no web site with that info. If someone told
    you there was a paganini BOFH Usenet provider for free, where would you
    get the info on how to configure your NNTP client to use it?

    Nice! Seems like a valid question.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Mr. Man-wai Chang on Mon Oct 28 09:57:27 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 10/28/2024 8:56 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 23/10/2024 9:55 am, Binali Yildirim wrote:
    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have reached Iran
    and so Americans have scrambled their Secretary of State, Antony
    Blinken, to mediate quickly between Israel, Iran and Russia before war
    breaks out directly between Russia and Israel.

    America doesn't want terrorist state of Israel trashed to rubble like
    Gaza, and Lebanon. Watch the space.

    Had Soviet warships ever reached US coast back in the days of Cold War?
    I think they reached Cuba at least. :)

    They were on the way to Cuba but the US set up a blockade. That was the
    Cuban Missile Crisis.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Rick on Tue Oct 29 20:59:37 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    Rick wrote on 29/10/24 12:57 am:
    On 10/28/2024 8:56 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 23/10/2024 9:55 am, Binali Yildirim wrote:
    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have reached Iran >>> and so Americans have scrambled their Secretary of State, Antony
    Blinken, to mediate quickly between Israel, Iran and Russia before war
    breaks out directly between Russia and Israel.

    America doesn't want terrorist state of Israel trashed to rubble like
    Gaza, and Lebanon. Watch the space.

    Had Soviet warships ever reached US coast back in the days of Cold
    War? I think they reached Cuba at least. :)

    They were on the way to Cuba but the US set up a blockade.  That was the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    Many moons ago, there was a Duco made about that situation ....
    something like "Thirteen Days that Rocked the World" .... looking at the
    goings on in the White House.

    Had a bit of a look (Youtube, IMDB) but couldn't find a link.
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Mr. Man-wai Chang on Tue Oct 29 10:03:57 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 10/29/2024 7:37 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 10/28/2024 9:57 PM, Rick wrote:
    On 10/28/2024 8:56 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

    Had Soviet warships ever reached US coast back in the days of Cold War?
    I think they reached Cuba at least. :)

    They were on the way to Cuba but the US set up a blockade.  That was the
    Cuban Missile Crisis.

    And hence the sudden death of President Kennedy?

    Not unless you believe the Russians were involved in the assassination.
    Cuban Missile Crisis was October 1962. Kennedy died in November 1963.

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 10:02:36 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 10/29/2024 5:59 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
    Rick wrote on 29/10/24 12:57 am:
    On 10/28/2024 8:56 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 23/10/2024 9:55 am, Binali Yildirim wrote:
    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have reached
    Iran
    and so Americans have scrambled their Secretary of State, Antony
    Blinken, to mediate quickly between Israel, Iran and Russia before war >>>> breaks out directly between Russia and Israel.

    America doesn't want terrorist state of Israel trashed to rubble like
    Gaza, and Lebanon. Watch the space.

    Had Soviet warships ever reached US coast back in the days of Cold
    War? I think they reached Cuba at least. :)

    They were on the way to Cuba but the US set up a blockade.  That was
    the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    Many moons ago, there was a Duco made about that situation ....
    something like "Thirteen Days that Rocked the World" .... looking at the goings on in the White House.

    Had a bit of a look (Youtube, IMDB) but couldn't find a link.

    Try "Missiles of October"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to Binali Yildirim on Tue Oct 29 19:47:46 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 23/10/2024 03:55, Binali Yildirim wrote:
    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have reached Iran
    and so Americans have scrambled their Secretary of State, Antony
    Blinken, to mediate quickly between Israel, Iran and Russia before war
    breaks out directly between Russia and Israel.

    America doesn't want terrorist state of Israel trashed to rubble like
    Gaza, and Lebanon. Watch the space.


    Get lost and fuck off.
    This is not a political news group.

    Fokke Nauta

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Binali Yildirim on Tue Oct 29 15:48:20 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 10/22/2024 9:55 PM, Binali Yildirim wrote:
    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have reached Iran
    and so Americans have scrambled their Secretary of State, Antony
    Blinken, to mediate quickly between Israel, Iran and Russia before war
    breaks out directly between Russia and Israel.

    America doesn't want terrorist state of Israel trashed to rubble like
    Gaza, and Lebanon. Watch the space.


    Check your facts. Far from being a terrorist state, Israel is actually
    the only democracy in that part of the world whose government is chosen
    by the people. It is surrounded by dictatorships, monarchies and other governments that have not had free elections in years.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Rick on Wed Oct 30 18:21:28 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    Rick wrote on 30/10/2024 1:02 am:
    On 10/29/2024 5:59 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
    Rick wrote on 29/10/24 12:57 am:
    On 10/28/2024 8:56 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
    On 23/10/2024 9:55 am, Binali Yildirim wrote:
    You will all be pleased to hear that Russian War Ships have reached
    Iran
    and so Americans have scrambled their Secretary of State, Antony
    Blinken, to mediate quickly between Israel, Iran and Russia before war >>>>> breaks out directly between Russia and Israel.

    America doesn't want terrorist state of Israel trashed to rubble like >>>>> Gaza, and Lebanon. Watch the space.

    Had Soviet warships ever reached US coast back in the days of Cold
    War? I think they reached Cuba at least. :)

    They were on the way to Cuba but the US set up a blockade.  That was
    the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    Many moons ago, there was a Duco made about that situation ....
    something like "Thirteen Days that Rocked the World" .... looking at
    the goings on in the White House.

    Had a bit of a look (Youtube, IMDB) but couldn't find a link.

    Try "Missiles of October"

    Seems to be in a similar vein but no, not the one I was thinking of. I
    don't think it even 'left' the White House.
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Reno Cruze on Wed Oct 30 09:31:48 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 10/30/2024 1:30 AM, Reno Cruze wrote:
    On 29/10/2024 19:48, Rick wrote:



    Israel is actually
    the only democracy in that part of the world whose government is chosen
    by the people.
    Chosen by the people to tell lies to the world.

    The so called democratic country that does not allow international journalists from reporting facts on the field.

    The so called democratic country that blows up cell phones, pagers and
    walkie talkies. "Islamic State", Taliban and Al-Qaeda are put to shame
    by the so called democratic country for not able to match the feat of
    this so called democratic country.

    The so called democratic country is prepared to murder more than 50,000 innocent civilians including children, women and disabled people for its defence.

    The so called democratic country will blow up schools, universities, hospitals, refuge for civilians protection and ban international
    charities from providing aid to people caught up in the fight for freedom.

    Has the meaning of democracy changed? Chinese and Russians don't have restrictions on international journalists from reporting freely and
    without fear or favour.



    Check your facts. Israel was brutally attacked and is defending itself
    against a terrorist organization. I'm sure Russia and China will
    welcome you with their free society.

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to Rick on Wed Oct 30 15:07:39 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 2024-10-30 13:31, Rick wrote:

    On 10/30/2024 1:30 AM, Reno Cruze wrote:

    Has the meaning of democracy changed? Chinese and Russians don't have
    restrictions on international journalists from reporting freely and
    without fear or favour.

    Check your facts.  Israel was brutally attacked and is defending itself against a terrorist organization.  I'm sure Russia and China will
    welcome you with their free society.

    True, but the attacks came after years of racist and colonial behaviour
    by Israel, and settling of Palestinian areas that has been condemned internationally. Further their response to the attacks, which no-one
    disputes were terrorism of the most brutal kind, has also been way
    overkill in brutality. Neither side is without fault in this conflict,
    they're about as bad as each other.

    And as for Russia & China, neither allow free reporting 'without fear or favour'. WRT Russia particularly, a father was jailed because his
    daughter drew at school a picture that was deemed the Russian equivalent
    of politically incorrect, because it showed sympathy to the Ukrainians,
    and the school authorities reported him. Russia also bombs Ukrainian
    civilians and civilian infrastructure such as schools and hospitals and
    murders Ukrainian prisoners of war who have surrendered, both of which
    are war crimes, and even sometimes then the perpetrators post video in
    internet forums 'celebrating' their 'success', which gives you some idea
    of how twisted minds can become under the assault of continuous
    propaganda. It also poisons its political enemies abroad, even here in
    the UK. The Chinese are little better, witness the Tiananmen Square
    massacre and the repression of freedom in the former British colony of
    Hong Kong.

    Other formerly open democracies - such as Israel, Hungary, Georgia
    (the nation), and even India - are also becoming increasingly
    repressive, and America under a second Trump presidency may very well go
    the same way - that at least is what openly he claims, and it may yet
    prove to be the only true thing he has ever said, but hopefully the
    world won't ever have to endure finding that out.

    --

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  • From Rick@21:1/5 to Java Jive on Wed Oct 30 19:47:26 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 10/30/2024 11:07 AM, Java Jive wrote:
    On 2024-10-30 13:31, Rick wrote:

    On 10/30/2024 1:30 AM, Reno Cruze wrote:

    Has the meaning of democracy changed? Chinese and Russians don't have
    restrictions on international journalists from reporting freely and
    without fear or favour.

    Check your facts.  Israel was brutally attacked and is defending
    itself against a terrorist organization.  I'm sure Russia and China
    will welcome you with their free society.

    True, but the attacks came after years of racist and colonial behaviour
    by Israel, and settling of Palestinian areas that has been condemned internationally.  Further their response to the attacks, which no-one disputes were terrorism of the most brutal kind, has also been way
    overkill in brutality.  Neither side is without fault in this conflict, they're about as bad as each other.

    I equate the Israel response to the US bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
    which ended WWII. By most estimates, as many as 250,000 mostly innocent civilians were killed by the US bombs. On its face, that is an incomprehensible tragedy. But because the bombs effectively ended the
    war, it probably saved millions of lives (32 million, by one estimate)
    that would no doubt have been lost if the war has continued. I think
    Israel is taking the same approach by wanting to totally destroy Hamas
    in the quickest and most efficient way possible.

    I again repeat that Israel is the only democracy in this region, and the Israeli people have the power and the right to replace their leaders if
    they desire. This is not a small point. No other country in the region
    - including the Palestine authority - allows its citizens to choose and potentially replace its government.


    And as for Russia & China, neither allow free reporting 'without fear or favour'.  WRT Russia particularly, a father was jailed because his
    daughter drew at school a picture that was deemed the Russian equivalent
    of politically incorrect, because it showed sympathy to the Ukrainians,
    and the school authorities reported him.  Russia also bombs Ukrainian civilians and civilian infrastructure such as schools and hospitals and murders Ukrainian prisoners of war who have surrendered, both of which
    are war crimes, and even sometimes then the perpetrators post video in internet forums 'celebrating' their 'success', which gives you some idea
    of how twisted minds can become under the assault of continuous
    propaganda.  It also poisons its political enemies abroad, even here in
    the UK.  The Chinese are little better, witness the Tiananmen Square massacre and the repression of freedom in the former British colony of
    Hong Kong.


    And again - Russia and China are both dictatorships which have not had
    truly free elections in forever. So what do you expect?


    Other formerly open democracies  -  such as Israel, Hungary, Georgia
    (the nation), and even India  -  are also becoming increasingly
    repressive, and America under a second Trump presidency may very well go
    the same way  -  that at least is what openly he claims, and it may yet prove to be the only true thing he has ever said, but hopefully the
    world won't ever have to endure finding that out.


    If Trump is re-elected, it will be because the people of the United
    States chose to do so under the rules of our democracy. Ditto the other countries. And regardless of what Trump says - and frankly much of what
    he says is just blustering to create an effect - his actual power to
    create a truly repressive government is really quite limited. If he
    does attempt actions which go against what the people of our nation
    want, we have constitutional mechanisms to limit what he can do and
    potentially remove him from office, as do the other democracies,
    including Israel. There is no such removal mechanism in Russia, China,
    Iran or even Palestine.

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to Java Jive on Thu Oct 31 12:19:39 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 2024-10-31 12:18, Java Jive wrote:

    ... not irrelevant ...

    ... irrelevant ...

    --

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to Rick on Thu Oct 31 12:18:05 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 2024-10-30 23:47, Rick wrote:

    On 10/30/2024 11:07 AM, Java Jive wrote:

    On 2024-10-30 13:31, Rick wrote:

    On 10/30/2024 1:30 AM, Reno Cruze wrote:

    Has the meaning of democracy changed? Chinese and Russians don't have
    restrictions on international journalists from reporting freely and
    without fear or favour.

    Check your facts.  Israel was brutally attacked and is defending
    itself against a terrorist organization.  I'm sure Russia and China
    will welcome you with their free society.

    True, but the attacks came after years of racist and colonial
    behaviour by Israel, and settling of Palestinian areas that has been
    condemned internationally.  Further their response to the attacks,
    which no-one disputes were terrorism of the most brutal kind, has also
    been way overkill in brutality.  Neither side is without fault in this
    conflict, they're about as bad as each other.

    I equate the Israel response to the US bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki which ended WWII.  By most estimates, as many as 250,000 mostly innocent civilians were killed by the US bombs.  On its face, that is an incomprehensible tragedy.  But because the bombs effectively ended the
    war, it probably saved millions of lives (32 million, by one estimate)
    that would no doubt have been lost if the war has continued.   I think Israel is taking the same approach by wanting to totally destroy Hamas
    in the quickest and most efficient way possible.

    I again repeat that Israel is the only democracy in this region, and the Israeli people have the power and the right to replace their leaders if
    they desire.  This is not a small point.  No other country in the region
    - including the Palestine authority - allows its citizens to choose and potentially replace its government.

    Democracy or otherwise is not irrelevant to the point I was making,
    since even democracies can commit war or other crimes - Britain was a democracy throughout the duration of the slave trade - and, also, it
    should be remembered that originally Hamas took power democratically.
    My point was that their histories show that both sides are as bad, by
    which I mean brutally violent, as each other, and you have given nothing
    above that disproves that.

    And as for Russia & China, neither allow free reporting 'without fear
    or favour'.  WRT Russia particularly, a father was jailed because his
    daughter drew at school a picture that was deemed the Russian
    equivalent of politically incorrect, because it showed sympathy to the
    Ukrainians, and the school authorities reported him.  Russia also
    bombs Ukrainian civilians and civilian infrastructure such as schools
    and hospitals and murders Ukrainian prisoners of war who have
    surrendered, both of which are war crimes, and even sometimes then the
    perpetrators post video in internet forums 'celebrating' their
    'success', which gives you some idea of how twisted minds can become
    under the assault of continuous propaganda.  It also poisons its
    political enemies abroad, even here in the UK.  The Chinese are little
    better, witness the Tiananmen Square massacre and the repression of
    freedom in the former British colony of Hong Kong.

    And again - Russia and China are both dictatorships which have not had
    truly free elections in forever.  So what do you expect?

    Again democracy, while obviously a very good and desirable thing in
    itself, is not strictly relevant to the points about press freedom,
    which anyway were obviously directed to Reno Cruze rather than yourself,
    so I wonder why you chose to argue them?

    Other formerly open democracies  -  such as Israel, Hungary, Georgia
    (the nation), and even India  -  are also becoming increasingly
    repressive, and America under a second Trump presidency may very well
    go the same way  -  that at least is what openly he claims, and it may
    yet prove to be the only true thing he has ever said, but hopefully
    the world won't ever have to endure finding that out.

    If Trump is re-elected, it will be because the people of the United
    States chose to do so under the rules of our democracy.  Ditto the other countries.  And regardless of what Trump says - and frankly much of what
    he says is just blustering to create an effect - his actual power to
    create a truly repressive government is really quite limited.  If he
    does attempt actions which go against what the people of our nation
    want, we have constitutional mechanisms to limit what he can do and potentially remove him from office, as do the other democracies,
    including Israel.

    They don't seem to have worked that well in the past, American democracy
    seems to be much more vulnerable than you seem to realise.

    There is no such removal mechanism in Russia, China,
    Iran or even Palestine.

    No indeed.

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to Reno Cruze on Sat Nov 2 13:44:01 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.windows7.general

    On 2024-11-01 05:00, Reno Cruze wrote:

    On 31/10/2024 12:18, Java Jive wrote:

    and, also, it
    should be remembered that originally Hamas took power democratically.

    [Snip biased diatribe]

    With a situation as complex as the Middle East where there is right and terrible wrong on both sides, a biased rant is not going anywhere
    useful. You need to be able to see both sides of the argument to be
    able to say anything useful.

    --

    Fake news kills!

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