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This clown is a bullshitter and provides nothing of substance to
support his bias.

Written by Jack Wallen, Contributing Writer

I started using Linux back in 1997. I had been using Windows 95 and
found it to be, well, unreliable. Although I wound up tossing myself
into the open-source deep end without a lifeboat, it didn't take me
long to realize I'd found my "forever OS."

Also: These 5 Linux file managers are better than what you're using now
- and they're free

But why? What makes Linux so special for me that I wouldn't even
consider making the switch to either MacOS or Windows as my primary OS?
Even though I do use MacOS for certain tasks (such as video editing),
there's not been one instance when I considered making the permanent
switch. As for Windows, well, every time I have to touch that operating
system, I'm reminded why I never liked it from the beginning.

Why don't we get to the method behind my madness?

Are you ready?

1. It makes sense
Whenever I have to work with another operating system, I find myself
regularly thinking, "This doesn't make any sense!" Linux, on the other
hand, was designed by someone (Linus Torvalds) who understood how to
create an operating system in a logical manner.

Here's a good example. On Windows, if you want to run a command, you
have to run it from the folder in which the executable is saved. Say,
for instance, you want to run Firefox from the command line. To do that
on Windows, you might first have to change into the Mozilla Firefox
directory and then issue the command start firefox.exe. On Linux, you
can type firefox from any directory and the application will launch.
This is possible on Linux because there are certain directories that
are in a user's $PATH, which means the commands within those
directories are recognized from anywhere in the filesystem. There's no
extra work to be done. It's simple. It makes sense.

I've always found that every configuration, every setup, every
installation on Linux makes sense, from the low-level stuff all the way
to the desktop.

2. It's easy
This might run counter to the public opinion, but Linux is actually far
easier than either MacOS or Windows. I will admit that in those early
days, Linux was challenging. However, over the years, the developers
and designers listened to the users and created an operating system
(and various distributions) that simplifies nearly every aspect of
using a computer. And, before you think it, you don't have to use the
command line on Linux. You could go your entire life with Linux and
never so much as open the terminal application. When people ask me how
hard it is to install Linux, I tell them, "If you can install an
application on Windows, you can install the Linux operating system."
That's how easy Linux is now.

Also: 5 Linux commands you need to know to troubleshoot problems

Another area where Linux shines in its ease is installing applications.
If you want an app, you open the desktop's app store, search for it,
and click Install. If you download an installer (such as a .deb or .rpm
file), most often your desktop is set up to automatically open the
likes of GDebi (a GUI tool for installing downloaded applications). Or
you could use the command line package manager, such as sudo apt-get
install opera -y. If you can't find the app in the default
repositories, try one of the universal package managers, like Snap
(sudo snap install opera).

It never ceases to amaze me how complicated some Windows app
installations are. Even worse, you might wind up having to reboot the
computer to complete the installation. The only time you ever have to
reboot a Linux computer is when the kernel gets upgraded (unless you're
using Fedora, which does often require a reboot).

3. It lets me work how I want
This one is important to me. I've always found both MacOS and Windows
to be incredibly limiting in flexibility. I want to work in a way that
best suits me, not Apple or Microsoft. Thanks to Linux, I can do that.

If I don't like how something functions, I can change it. You see,
Linux isn't locked down into one way of doing things. In fact, with
Linux, there's a never-ending combination of how you can do things.
This is made possible because of various distributions, desktop
environments, window managers, package managers, and more.

Also: Why I use the Linux tree command daily - and what it can do for
you

Here's a simple example. I copy/paste quite often. I'll be working on
something and realize that I need to move a paragraph. At the same
time, I might have copied a URL and need to paste it as a link. Instead
of having to copy/paste twice, I can use Ctrl+c/Ctrl+v on the paragraph
and use select/middle mouse click for the link. The middle mouse paste
feature has always been such an efficient way of copying text and when
you combine it with the traditional method, it makes things very easy.

4. It's flexible
If you like, you can use Linux as is. Install Ubuntu or Linux Mint and
use it as the developers intended. Or maybe you don't like the GNOME
desktop, so you install Plasma. You prefer a dock instead of a
traditional panel, so you install Cairo. You don't like having the dock
on the bottom of the screen, so you move it to the left side.

Also: The best Linux laptops

With Linux, there is no vendor lock-in. You are not limited to what the
desktop looks like, how it behaves, or what it does or does not do for
you. Even within a single desktop environment, you can bend and twist
it however you like. With GNOME, there are GNOME Extensions to add
different features and behaviors. With Plasma, you can theme it,
customize it, add widgets and plugins, and more. With Xfce… the sky's
the limit. Linux is the ideal operating system for those who like to
tinker and tweak. Or, if you don't, you'll find a variety of
distributions, one of which will appeal to your aesthetic and use case.

5. It's secure
In nearly thirty years of usage, I've only come across a single
instance of malicious software. I'd inherited a job working on a Linux
server that was poorly set up. Somehow, a rootkit was installed and I
not only had to discover it was there, but also migrate everything to a
new server. That was the only time such an occurrence happened.

Also: Do you need antivirus on Linux?

Other than that, I've never once worried about malware, ransomware, or
viruses. Why? Linux is exponentially more secure than Windows and
considerably more secure than MacOS. Before you think Linux is the
perfect solution to solve all of your security issues, know that any
time a computer is connected to a network it's vulnerable. The
difference is how easily that vulnerability can be exploited.

With Linux, it's not easy because the operating system was designed,
from the ground up, with security at its heart. And with the help of
SELinux and AppArmor, that security becomes even tighter. When using
Windows (and even MacOS to an extent), it's always important to use an anti-virus/anti-malware solution. On Linux, that's not necessary.

And there you have it: five reasons why I'll never switch to Windows or
MacOS as my go-to operating system.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/ive-used-linux-for-30-years-5-reasons- why-ill-never-switch-to-windows-or-macos/

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Lying Retard <lying-retard@linux.org> wrote in news:74889eff21a772dd15be6d7b531b6e9e@dizum.com:

This clown is a bullshitter and provides nothing of substance to
support his bias.

Written by Jack Wallen, Contributing Writer

I started using Linux back in 1997. I had been using Windows 95 and
found it to be, well, unreliable. Although I wound up tossing myself
into the open-source deep end without a lifeboat, it didn't take me
long to realize I'd found my "forever OS."

Also: These 5 Linux file managers are better than what you're using
now - and they're free

But why? What makes Linux so special for me that I wouldn't even
consider making the switch to either MacOS or Windows as my primary
OS? Even though I do use MacOS for certain tasks (such as video
editing), there's not been one instance when I considered making the permanent switch. As for Windows, well, every time I have to touch
that operating system, I'm reminded why I never liked it from the
beginning.

Why don't we get to the method behind my madness?

Are you ready?

1. It makes sense
Whenever I have to work with another operating system, I find myself regularly thinking, "This doesn't make any sense!" Linux, on the
other hand, was designed by someone (Linus Torvalds) who understood
how to create an operating system in a logical manner.

Here's a good example. On Windows, if you want to run a command, you
have to run it from the folder in which the executable is saved. Say,
for instance, you want to run Firefox from the command line. To do
that on Windows, you might first have to change into the Mozilla
Firefox directory and then issue the command start firefox.exe. On
Linux, you can type firefox from any directory and the application
will launch. This is possible on Linux because there are certain
directories that are in a user's $PATH, which means the commands
within those directories are recognized from anywhere in the
filesystem. There's no extra work to be done. It's simple. It makes
sense.

SMH, this clown isn't swift enough to work with a real OS like z/OS or
AIX. He sounds lazy too.

I've always found that every configuration, every setup, every
installation on Linux makes sense, from the low-level stuff all the
way to the desktop.

Until it's broken, then just like Windoze, it must be reinstalled or
restored.

2. It's easy
This might run counter to the public opinion, but Linux is actually
far easier than either MacOS or Windows. I will admit that in those
early days, Linux was challenging. However, over the years, the
developers and designers listened to the users and created an
operating system (and various distributions) that simplifies nearly
every aspect of using a computer. And, before you think it, you don't
have to use the command line on Linux. You could go your entire life
with Linux and never so much as open the terminal application. When
people ask me how hard it is to install Linux, I tell them, "If you
can install an application on Windows, you can install the Linux
operating system." That's how easy Linux is now.

Notice he says Linux and not "RedHat" or one of the other 250+ distros.

Also: 5 Linux commands you need to know to troubleshoot problems

Another area where Linux shines in its ease is installing
applications. If you want an app, you open the desktop's app store,
search for it, and click Install. If you download an installer (such
as a .deb or .rpm file), most often your desktop is set up to
automatically open the likes of GDebi (a GUI tool for installing
downloaded applications). Or you could use the command line package
manager, such as sudo apt-get install opera -y. If you can't find the
app in the default repositories, try one of the universal package
managers, like Snap (sudo snap install opera).

It never ceases to amaze me how complicated some Windows app
installations are. Even worse, you might wind up having to reboot the computer to complete the installation. The only time you ever have to
reboot a Linux computer is when the kernel gets upgraded (unless
you're using Fedora, which does often require a reboot).

False.

3. It lets me work how I want
This one is important to me. I've always found both MacOS and Windows
to be incredibly limiting in flexibility. I want to work in a way
that best suits me, not Apple or Microsoft. Thanks to Linux, I can do
that.

If I don't like how something functions, I can change it. You see,
Linux isn't locked down into one way of doing things. In fact, with
Linux, there's a never-ending combination of how you can do things.
This is made possible because of various distributions, desktop
environments, window managers, package managers, and more.

Also: Why I use the Linux tree command daily - and what it can do for
you

Here's a simple example. I copy/paste quite often. I'll be working on something and realize that I need to move a paragraph. At the same
time, I might have copied a URL and need to paste it as a link.
Instead of having to copy/paste twice, I can use Ctrl+c/Ctrl+v on the paragraph and use select/middle mouse click for the link. The middle
mouse paste feature has always been such an efficient way of copying
text and when you combine it with the traditional method, it makes
things very easy.

4. It's flexible
If you like, you can use Linux as is. Install Ubuntu or Linux Mint
and use it as the developers intended. Or maybe you don't like the
GNOME desktop, so you install Plasma. You prefer a dock instead of a traditional panel, so you install Cairo. You don't like having the
dock on the bottom of the screen, so you move it to the left side.

Also: The best Linux laptops

With Linux, there is no vendor lock-in. You are not limited to what
the desktop looks like, how it behaves, or what it does or does not
do for you. Even within a single desktop environment, you can bend
and twist it however you like. With GNOME, there are GNOME Extensions
to add different features and behaviors. With Plasma, you can theme
it, customize it, add widgets and plugins, and more. With Xfce… the
sky's the limit. Linux is the ideal operating system for those who
like to tinker and tweak. Or, if you don't, you'll find a variety of distributions, one of which will appeal to your aesthetic and use
case.

5. It's secure
In nearly thirty years of usage, I've only come across a single
instance of malicious software. I'd inherited a job working on a
Linux server that was poorly set up. Somehow, a rootkit was installed
and I not only had to discover it was there, but also migrate
everything to a new server. That was the only time such an occurrence happened.

Also: Do you need antivirus on Linux?

Other than that, I've never once worried about malware, ransomware,
or viruses. Why? Linux is exponentially more secure than Windows and considerably more secure than MacOS. Before you think Linux is the
perfect solution to solve all of your security issues, know that any
time a computer is connected to a network it's vulnerable. The
difference is how easily that vulnerability can be exploited.

With Linux, it's not easy because the operating system was designed,
from the ground up, with security at its heart. And with the help of
SELinux and AppArmor, that security becomes even tighter. When using
Windows (and even MacOS to an extent), it's always important to use
an anti-virus/anti-malware solution. On Linux, that's not necessary.

There's not enough of it installed, running and connected to the
Internet to be worth while, stupid.

And there you have it: five reasons why I'll never switch to Windows
or MacOS as my go-to operating system.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/ive-used-linux-for-30-years-5-reasons- why-ill-never-switch-to-windows-or-macos/

Here's the top reason why Jack Wallen is full of shit.

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-33/Linux.html

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On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Rivian Clunkers Use Linux wrote:

Lying Retard <lying-retard@linux.org> wrote in news:74889eff21a772dd15be6d7b531b6e9e@dizum.com:

When using
Windows (and even MacOS to an extent), it's always important to use an
anti-virus/anti-malware solution. On Linux, that's not necessary.

There's not enough of it installed, running and connected to the
Internet to be worth while, stupid.

The whole Internet runs on Linux. It’s everywhere, and the security of the Internet is crucially dependent on it.

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On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Rivian Clunkers Use Linux wrote:

Lying Retard <lying-retard@linux.org> wrote in news:74889eff21a772dd15be6d7b531b6e9e@dizum.com:

I've always found that every configuration, every setup, every
installation on Linux makes sense, from the low-level stuff all the way
to the desktop.

Until it's broken, then just like Windoze, it must be reinstalled or restored.

It’s actually feasible to diagnose and fix the breakage. I’ve done it. Linux makes sense that way. Much less need for reinstallation.

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On 10 Nov 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> posted some news:vgri3v$kafo$2@dont-email.me:

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Rivian Clunkers Use Linux
wrote:

Lying Retard <lying-retard@linux.org> wrote in
news:74889eff21a772dd15be6d7b531b6e9e@dizum.com:

When using
Windows (and even MacOS to an extent), it's always important to use
an anti-virus/anti-malware solution. On Linux, that's not necessary.

There's not enough of it installed, running and connected to the
Internet to be worth while, stupid.

The whole Internet runs on Linux. It’s everywhere, and the security
of the Internet is crucially dependent on it.

You're full of shit. There are plenty of participating Windows systems
keeping the Internet up and serving resources.

There only reason Linux is there is because it's mostly free. You snipped
the CVE link the OP provided. Linux has a shitload of security flaws that
can be exploited if certain services are running.

Windows people have to clean up Linux messes every day because the so-
called admins can't even troubleshoot basic networking, fibre channel,
even NFS correctly. That is damned funny considering their arrogance.

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On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 02:06:39 +0100 (CET), Chris wrote:

On 10 Nov 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> posted some news:vgri3v$kafo$2@dont-email.me:

The whole Internet runs on Linux. It’s everywhere, and the security of
the Internet is crucially dependent on it.

You're full of shit. There are plenty of participating Windows systems keeping the Internet up and serving resources.

Not any more. Windows Server ASP and all that other crap is a fast- disappearing niche. That’s why Microsoft is retreating all its server products into the cloud.

A cloud which is already dominated by Linux.

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On 11/10/2024 4:11 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Rivian Clunkers Use Linux wrote:

Lying Retard <lying-retard@linux.org> wrote in
news:74889eff21a772dd15be6d7b531b6e9e@dizum.com:

When using
Windows (and even MacOS to an extent), it's always important to use an
anti-virus/anti-malware solution. On Linux, that's not necessary.

There's not enough of it installed, running and connected to the
Internet to be worth while, stupid.

The whole Internet runs on Linux. It’s everywhere, and the security of the Internet is crucially dependent on it.

VxWorks not Linux. VxWorks is RTOS, Linux is not. Windows, while not
RTOS, can perform RTOS tasks better than Linux. If you're serious about security in network equipment you use VxWorks.

Solaris will kick the shit out of Linux when it comes to throughput.

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On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 18:28:33 -0800, Products may vary wrote:

On 11/10/2024 4:11 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Rivian Clunkers Use Linux
wrote:

Lying Retard <lying-retard@linux.org> wrote in
news:74889eff21a772dd15be6d7b531b6e9e@dizum.com:

When using Windows (and even MacOS to an extent), it's always
important to use an anti-virus/anti-malware solution. On Linux,
that's not necessary.

There's not enough of it installed, running and connected to the
Internet to be worth while, stupid.

The whole Internet runs on Linux. It’s everywhere, and the security of
the Internet is crucially dependent on it.

VxWorks not Linux.

VxWorks is for embedded use.

Look at your favourite online sites: Facebook/Meta, Twitter/X, Amazon,
Google etc. You think they run on Windows, or anything other than Linux?
It’s Linux all the way for them.

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 18:28:33 -0800, Products may vary wrote:

On 11/10/2024 4:11 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:05:19 -0000 (UTC), Rivian Clunkers Use Linux
wrote:

Lying Retard <lying-retard@linux.org> wrote in
news:74889eff21a772dd15be6d7b531b6e9e@dizum.com:

When using Windows (and even MacOS to an extent), it's always
important to use an anti-virus/anti-malware solution. On Linux,
that's not necessary.

There's not enough of it installed, running and connected to the
Internet to be worth while, stupid.

The whole Internet runs on Linux. It’s everywhere, and the security of >>> the Internet is crucially dependent on it.

VxWorks not Linux.

VxWorks is for embedded use.

Look at your favourite online sites: Facebook/Meta, Twitter/X, Amazon,
Google etc. You think they run on Windows, or anything other than Linux? It’s Linux all the way for them.

Just for curiosity:

$ lynx -head https:://microsoft.com

HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
Connection: close
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 11:53:34 GMT
Server: Kestrel
Location: https://www.microsoft.com/
Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536000

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/fundamentals/servers/kestrel?view=aspnetcore-8.0

Kestrel is a cross-platform web server for ASP.NET Core. Kestrel is the
recommended server for ASP.NET Core, and it's configured by default in
ASP.NET Core project templates.

Kestrel's features include:

Cross-platform: Kestrel is a cross-platform web server that runs on
Windows, Linux, and macOS.

. . .

--
Delta: A real man lands where he wants to. -- David Letterman

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On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 12:44:14 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/11/2024 5:07 pm, Lying Retard wrote:

This clown is a bullshitter and provides nothing of substance to
support his bias.

Written by Jack Wallen, Contributing Writer

The real problems are Unicode support, Adobe Creative Suite and
Micro$oft Office! ;)

What is the most popular distribution for a guy who just wants a weird
form of windows-toy without much interest of learning command line
magic?

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On Mon, 11/11/2024 7:41 AM, John B. Smith wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 12:44:14 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/11/2024 5:07 pm, Lying Retard wrote:

This clown is a bullshitter and provides nothing of substance to
support his bias.

Written by Jack Wallen, Contributing Writer

The real problems are Unicode support, Adobe Creative Suite and
Micro$oft Office! ;)

What is the most popular distribution for a guy who just wants a weird
form of windows-toy without much interest of learning command line
magic?

Jack Wallen has been writing those silly articles of his for a long time.
It's presumed he gets to refresh his cup-of-noodles supply in the
kitchen, based on the dollar-per-word he gets for each article.

To answer a question about Linux distros, we need to know or have estimates
of the hardware age. Due to the confluence of hardware standards, and the retraction of support for older hardware, it does not always pay to use
the latest version of the distro. In other words, you bring up the
ten year old computer with a one-version-older distro, make a backup,
then attempt to do a Version Upgrade, if it bombs, you have your answer.

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint

Unfortunately, I don't think the kernel options are listed there.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=401193

"Currently you can choose between 5.15, 5.19 and 6.2 series
in Linux Mint 21.x (Update Manager: View --> Linux Kernels).

5.15 [ <=== suited to older hardware, in my opinion ]
5.19
6.2

These all originate from and supported by Ubuntu, the base-distro of Mint.
"

Whereas for LinuxMint 22, the kernels might be too new and there is more chance some part of your ten year old hardware is not supported any more.

I'm only showing this list, to show you what to expect. You can use a mirror which is closer to you instead. Notice there is no 32 bit version here,
these are 64-bit. There are fewer distros for 32-bit operation (your old P4 isn't really a candidate anyway), but the number is not zero. The "edge" one may be biased for brand-new hardware, and have better support via having already selected a later kernel for you.

https://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/linuxmint/stable/21.3/

linuxmint-21.3-cinnamon-64bit-edge.iso 16-Jan-2024 16:04 3G linuxmint-21.3-cinnamon-64bit.iso 09-Jan-2024 12:59 3G <=== try this one
linuxmint-21.3-mate-64bit.iso 09-Jan-2024 13:11 3G linuxmint-21.3-xfce-64bit.iso 09-Jan-2024 13:26 3G sha256sum.txt 18-Jan-2024 10:39 397 sha256sum.txt.gpg 18-Jan-2024 10:40 833

Using the driver manager, you can for example, install an NVidia driver
for your video card, without dropping to command line. You might check
synaptic package manager, and make sure "build-essential" is installed,
as driver installation needs the GNU Compiler Collective for things
like DKMS, and a driver like the NVidia won't install if that were to be missing.
I can't keep all the quirks memorized in my head.

*******

I no longer recommend Ubuntu to new users. Some recent behaviors have
indicated their true colors. Ubuntu 24.04 is not recommended.
( Back in the Ubuntu 12.04 era, they would have been my first choice. )

If at any point in future, LinuxMint parts ways with Ubuntu (as a package source), this is the emergency replacement system. LinuxMint can also
be released/managed, by using Debian packages directly, as in this test release.
LMDE stands for Linux Mint Debian Edition. Ubuntu is also based on Debian packages.

https://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/linuxmint/debian/

lmde-4-cinnamon-32bit.iso 15-Mar-2020 03:37 2G lmde-4-cinnamon-64bit.iso 15-Mar-2020 03:40 2G lmde-5-cinnamon-32bit.iso 12-Mar-2022 02:00 2G lmde-5-cinnamon-64bit.iso 11-Mar-2022 20:53 2G lmde-6-cinnamon-32bit.iso 22-Sep-2023 17:07 2G lmde-6-cinnamon-64bit.iso 22-Sep-2023 16:26 3G

Installing Windows and Linux on the same hard drive, is "multi-booting".
You install Windows first, Linux second, for the least annoyance. As a user, you should at least have some notion of how multiboot works -- you should
also have a backup philosophy as a "survival skill" as a noob multibooter.
If you feel you are in over your head, restore from your disk backup
image.

Once installed, if you turn on the GRUB boot menu at startup, you can
select whether to boot Linux or Windows.

Linux can also be run from a USB stick, with persistent home directory
storage on the USB stick. Using a more robust flavor of USB stick
is recommended if configuring things this way. And of course,
you have to know how to set up your machine to boot off a USB stick,
to be doing this. Some people have a bit of trouble figuring out
how their machine offers that option. It's quite possible this behaves
enough like a hard drive, you can actually install on this as an option
as well.

(Example of what today, may be a better bargain as a USB stick! Potential for wear leveling!)

Patriot Supersonic Rage Prime 250GB $26

https://www.newegg.com/patriot-model-pef250grpmw32u-250gb/p/N82E16820225287

Paul

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On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 09:21:35 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 11/11/2024 7:41 AM, John B. Smith wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 12:44:14 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/11/2024 5:07 pm, Lying Retard wrote:

This clown is a bullshitter and provides nothing of substance to
support his bias.

Written by Jack Wallen, Contributing Writer

The real problems are Unicode support, Adobe Creative Suite and
Micro$oft Office! ;)

What is the most popular distribution for a guy who just wants a weird
form of windows-toy without much interest of learning command line
magic?

Jack Wallen has been writing those silly articles of his for a long time. >It's presumed he gets to refresh his cup-of-noodles supply in the
kitchen, based on the dollar-per-word he gets for each article.

To answer a question about Linux distros, we need to know or have estimates >of the hardware age. Due to the confluence of hardware standards, and the >retraction of support for older hardware, it does not always pay to use
the latest version of the distro. In other words, you bring up the
ten year old computer with a one-version-older distro, make a backup,
then attempt to do a Version Upgrade, if it bombs, you have your answer.

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint

Unfortunately, I don't think the kernel options are listed there.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=401193

"Currently you can choose between 5.15, 5.19 and 6.2 series
in Linux Mint 21.x (Update Manager: View --> Linux Kernels).

5.15 [ <=== suited to older hardware, in my opinion ]
5.19
6.2

These all originate from and supported by Ubuntu, the base-distro of Mint.
"

Whereas for LinuxMint 22, the kernels might be too new and there is more chance
some part of your ten year old hardware is not supported any more.

I'm only showing this list, to show you what to expect. You can use a mirror >which is closer to you instead. Notice there is no 32 bit version here,
these are 64-bit. There are fewer distros for 32-bit operation (your old P4 >isn't really a candidate anyway), but the number is not zero. The "edge" one >may be biased for brand-new hardware, and have better support via having >already selected a later kernel for you.

https://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/linuxmint/stable/21.3/

linuxmint-21.3-cinnamon-64bit-edge.iso 16-Jan-2024 16:04 3G >linuxmint-21.3-cinnamon-64bit.iso 09-Jan-2024 12:59 3G <=== try this one
linuxmint-21.3-mate-64bit.iso 09-Jan-2024 13:11 3G >linuxmint-21.3-xfce-64bit.iso 09-Jan-2024 13:26 3G >sha256sum.txt 18-Jan-2024 10:39 397 >sha256sum.txt.gpg 18-Jan-2024 10:40 833

Using the driver manager, you can for example, install an NVidia driver
for your video card, without dropping to command line. You might check >synaptic package manager, and make sure "build-essential" is installed,
as driver installation needs the GNU Compiler Collective for things
like DKMS, and a driver like the NVidia won't install if that were to be missing.
I can't keep all the quirks memorized in my head.

*******

I no longer recommend Ubuntu to new users. Some recent behaviors have >indicated their true colors. Ubuntu 24.04 is not recommended.
( Back in the Ubuntu 12.04 era, they would have been my first choice. )

If at any point in future, LinuxMint parts ways with Ubuntu (as a package >source), this is the emergency replacement system. LinuxMint can also
be released/managed, by using Debian packages directly, as in this test release.
LMDE stands for Linux Mint Debian Edition. Ubuntu is also based on Debian packages.

https://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/linuxmint/debian/

lmde-4-cinnamon-32bit.iso 15-Mar-2020 03:37 2G >lmde-4-cinnamon-64bit.iso 15-Mar-2020 03:40 2G >lmde-5-cinnamon-32bit.iso 12-Mar-2022 02:00 2G >lmde-5-cinnamon-64bit.iso 11-Mar-2022 20:53 2G >lmde-6-cinnamon-32bit.iso 22-Sep-2023 17:07 2G >lmde-6-cinnamon-64bit.iso 22-Sep-2023 16:26 3G

Installing Windows and Linux on the same hard drive, is "multi-booting".
You install Windows first, Linux second, for the least annoyance. As a user, >you should at least have some notion of how multiboot works -- you should >also have a backup philosophy as a "survival skill" as a noob multibooter.
If you feel you are in over your head, restore from your disk backup
image.

Once installed, if you turn on the GRUB boot menu at startup, you can
select whether to boot Linux or Windows.

Linux can also be run from a USB stick, with persistent home directory >storage on the USB stick. Using a more robust flavor of USB stick
is recommended if configuring things this way. And of course,
you have to know how to set up your machine to boot off a USB stick,
to be doing this. Some people have a bit of trouble figuring out
how their machine offers that option. It's quite possible this behaves
enough like a hard drive, you can actually install on this as an option
as well.

(Example of what today, may be a better bargain as a USB stick! Potential for wear leveling!)

Patriot Supersonic Rage Prime 250GB $26

https://www.newegg.com/patriot-model-pef250grpmw32u-250gb/p/N82E16820225287

Paul

Thank you for the in-depth report. I wasn't thinking of putting Linux
on my old Abit, though I played with it here in the past and got
discouraged. I've been daydreaming a bit on putting it on the new Asus
when I get all the ssds on it. The BIOS doesn't seem very cooperative
about dual booting off the same drive (maybe I'm too dumb to figure it
out). I THINK I can probably F8 and determine which ssd I want OR
maybe play with EasyBCD. The machine will only run Win10 or 11 and not
much interested on having both of them so was daydreaming about a
Linux to play with. But not to FIGHT with, had enough of that before.
Still waiting for a hard drive, neither side panel is on and cables
are hanging in the wind, so Linux is still a pipe dream.

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On Tue, 11/12/2024 9:47 AM, John B. Smith wrote:

Thank you for the in-depth report. I wasn't thinking of putting Linux
on my old Abit, though I played with it here in the past and got
discouraged. I've been daydreaming a bit on putting it on the new Asus
when I get all the ssds on it. The BIOS doesn't seem very cooperative
about dual booting off the same drive (maybe I'm too dumb to figure it
out). I THINK I can probably F8 and determine which ssd I want OR
maybe play with EasyBCD. The machine will only run Win10 or 11 and not
much interested on having both of them so was daydreaming about a
Linux to play with. But not to FIGHT with, had enough of that before.
Still waiting for a hard drive, neither side panel is on and cables
are hanging in the wind, so Linux is still a pipe dream.

If your hardware is the new UEFI or Secure Boot UEFI only,
you can still boot both OSes off the same disk. You should
see "Windows Boot Manager" as one entry, and one of your Linux
OSes will be listed too. The Linux entry will be the GRUB menu.
In the GRUB menu, you can launch Windows from there (assumes OSProber
is running when the menu is built).

Your pop-up menu should be simpler than the one seen on the ten year old
UEFI machine.

My hardware isn't new enough as a demo vehicle, so I can't actually
test this properly for you. Nothing here is DDR5, I only have DDR4 motherboards,
and those don't match your DDR5 era build closely enough for confirmation.

The Linux boots using a signed shim. That's how it does Secure Boot
without a straight-up Linux key. The Windows key co-signs the Linux
distro. The Linux people have to physically fly to a certain location
and do the signing process, then fly back with the shim in their luggage.
There was a web page describing this.

During the year long Black Lotus? CVE fix cycle, Microsoft revoked
one crypto thing in the UEFI BIOS, and the Linux today would be signed
with a newer item.

On the newer machine then, you could use LinuxMint 22. The last LMDE
might not be up to date on the shim aspect. I expect any new UEFI-only motherboards are going to have their "prickly" moments. One of the reasons
for me to be buying the DDR4 ones on purpose, was to still have the freedom
to "always get something to work". While I'd like to volunteer for a "hand-cuffs era" setup, I have strict rules on too-much-junk-in-the-Junk-Room. That's what prevents me from filling the house floor to ceiling with
computer cases (and disk drives).

Paul

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