Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O
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Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

Go in settings and turn it off, or better yet use an uninstaller like revo
to remove copilot.

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On 13/11/2024 09:43, Hank Rogers wrote:

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

Go in settings and turn it off, or better yet use an uninstaller like revo
to remove copilot.

Good idea, but I can't find copilot in Revo.

Fokke Nauta

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On 13/11/2024 13:46, Jim the Geordie wrote:

On 13/11/2024 11:39, Fokke Nauta wrote:

On 13/11/2024 09:43, Hank Rogers wrote:

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

Go in settings and turn it off, or better yet use an uninstaller like
revo
to remove copilot.

Good idea, but I can't find copilot in Revo.

Fokke Nauta

Why do you want to remove copilot?
Just askin'

I won't use it anyway, and Hank Rogers suggested to remove it. In this
case it would be the best thing to do.

Fokke Nauta

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Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

Surprising. I understood they were only forcing it on Win11.
...Which means that Win11 is really no more than a declaration
of officially ending support for Windows prior to 2023?

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On 13/11/2024 11:39, Fokke Nauta wrote:

On 13/11/2024 09:43, Hank Rogers wrote:

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

Go in settings and turn it off, or better yet use an uninstaller like
revo
to remove copilot.

Good idea, but I can't find copilot in Revo.

Fokke Nauta

Why do you want to remove copilot?
Just askin'

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On 13/11/2024 12:52, Fokke Nauta wrote:

On 13/11/2024 13:46, Jim the Geordie wrote:

On 13/11/2024 11:39, Fokke Nauta wrote:

On 13/11/2024 09:43, Hank Rogers wrote:

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

Go in settings and turn it off, or better yet use an uninstaller
like revo
to remove copilot.

Good idea, but I can't find copilot in Revo.

Fokke Nauta

Why do you want to remove copilot?
Just askin'

I won't use it anyway, and Hank Rogers suggested to remove it. In this
case it would be the best thing to do.

Fokke Nauta

WTF is Hank Rogers and is there a reason?

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On 11/13/2024 7:46 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:

Why do you want to remove copilot?
Just askin'

"The short answer here is that AI is a product of the mass surveillance business model in its current form. It is not a separate technological phenomenon."

~ Meredith Whittaker, former Google employee and CEO of Signal.

https://www.wired.com/story/meredith-whittaker-signal/

I suppose that AI like Copilot could be useful for people
who don't understand search, or who have very limited
literacy and want to compose a nice get-well-soon message,
but it's been demonstrated repeatedly that AI is really no
more than very clever code to make connections between
data bits, but without a lick of common sense.

And as the
quote above emphasizes, this is primarily about surveillance
and the "kioskification" of computing. Copilot is a good name.
It could easily become a kind of secretarial assistant and then
gradually become the customer interface of the device, spying
on every action, recording every website visit and purchase,
until it eventually becomes Captain Kirk's old friend on acid:

"Computer, how far to the next star?" "That would be 37.278
light years. Would you like to rent a Beyonce song while you
wait? How about getting a refreshing beer from StarDash?"

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Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

Go in settings and turn it off, or better yet use an uninstaller like revo
to remove copilot.

After uninstalling the Copilot app, and further disabling the integrated Copilit, an effect is that you cannot use DNS over HTTPS (DoH) in Edge-C (edge://settings/privacy, "Use secure DNS to specify how to lookup the
network address for websites"). The option becomes disabled. Not off,
but completely disabled. You have to instead enable using DoH in the
DNS settings of your OS to compensate for the Edge-C tantrum at losing
Copilot. Microsoft's attitude is if you disable/remove Copilot then
Microsoft will disable DoH in Edge.

https://winaero.com/how-to-enable-dns-over-https-in-windows-10/

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On Wed, 11/13/2024 6:39 AM, Fokke Nauta wrote:

On 13/11/2024 09:43, Hank Rogers wrote:

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

Go in settings and turn it off, or better yet use an uninstaller like revo >> to remove copilot.

Good idea, but I can't find copilot in Revo.

Fokke Nauta

The Windows Update for November 2024 added an App.
You can see it in the picture here.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRDXdMX7/Co-Pilot-Win10-November-2024.gif

The annoying notion of "Chat" seems to accompany this
change, but chatting with an AI is rather pointless.
The AI has no guidance system or guaranteed ethics.
It would help you write a ransom note if you ask ("Clippy").

I would continue to try to ask it questions such as

"How many letter R are in the word Strawberry ?"

to check its calibration. The answer to this question
has been hard-wired, to correct the error it used to make,
so you then ask it a series of similar questions.

"How many letter R are in the word Raspberry ?"
"How many letter R are in the word Cranberry ?"
"How many letter S are in the word Saskatoonberry ?"

Remember that it has no native skills (it has controls
such as Temperature and Activation Energy, which control
the hallucinations and affect the answer). You can tell
from the existence of such "variables", exactly what kind
of a brain this thing has.

You can think of these questions as a kind of "math skill".

But when an LLM has been "trained" for math, its topic area
is still not broad enough. Thus the "exam" released yesterday,
where the AI fared poorly, because it simply hasn't seen
everything a mathematician has seen. Even if Martin Gardner
were around, there is always something in math to stump
others with.

While you can ask it:

"Does 2+3 = 5 ?"

it does not "understand" your query in any conventional sense.
It did not learn any addition tables when it was younger.
There was no teacher with analogies about apples, gaining
more apples, and figuring out the new total apples.

The features in the above picture, would all require remote
communications with a Microsoft server. Only the voice input
might be locally processed, but I haven't tested that.
Even without AI, you could do voice recognition with regular
procedural code. It does not require a hardware NPU to
do voice recognition.

Paul

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On 13/11/2024 15:08, Jim the Geordie wrote:

On 13/11/2024 12:52, Fokke Nauta wrote:

On 13/11/2024 13:46, Jim the Geordie wrote:

On 13/11/2024 11:39, Fokke Nauta wrote:

On 13/11/2024 09:43, Hank Rogers wrote:

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

Go in settings and turn it off, or better yet use an uninstaller
like revo
to remove copilot.

Good idea, but I can't find copilot in Revo.

Fokke Nauta

Why do you want to remove copilot?
Just askin'

I won't use it anyway, and Hank Rogers suggested to remove it. In this
case it would be the best thing to do.

Fokke Nauta

WTF is Hank Rogers and is there a reason?

He was the first one to reply to this issue.

Fokke Nauta

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On 13/11/2024 08:19, Ant wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

CoPilot is Microsoft's AI and you might know that AI is the future.
Governments around the world are trying to train its Citizens to start
using AI because it will solve many problems in this world. Even doctors
are using AI to diagnose illnesses in patients.

Young people (people below 50 yrs) should start using AI and get maximum benefits from it. Older people, perhaps, won't see the fruits of AI so
they can continue using what they are currently using.

All the tech companies are looking for programmers who are experts in AI technologies. AI engineers can command a salary of $1,000,000 and above
and these are people in their early 20s with no other life experience
but experts in AI.

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On 11/13/2024 10:46 PM, Orange wrote:

On 13/11/2024 08:19, Ant wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

CoPilot is Microsoft's AI and you might know that AI is the future. Governments around the world are trying to train its Citizens to start
using AI because it will solve many problems in this world. Even doctors
are using AI to diagnose illnesses in patients.

Young people (people below 50 yrs) should start using AI and get maximum benefits from it. Older people, perhaps, won't see the fruits of AI so
they can continue using what they are currently using.

All the tech companies are looking for programmers who are experts in AI technologies. AI engineers can command a salary of $1,000,000 and above
and these are people in their early 20s with no other life experience
but experts in AI.

This appears to be an AI-generated assessment of AI. And a
great example it is. Pure nonsense that superficially seems to
be cogent.

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On Wed, 11/13/2024 10:46 PM, Orange wrote:

On 13/11/2024 08:19, Ant wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

CoPilot is Microsoft's AI and you might know that AI is the future. Governments around the world are trying to train its Citizens to start
using AI because it will solve many problems in this world. Even doctors
are using AI to diagnose illnesses in patients.

Young people (people below 50 yrs) should start using AI and get maximum benefits from it. Older people, perhaps, won't see the fruits of AI so
they can continue using what they are currently using.

All the tech companies are looking for programmers who are experts in AI technologies. AI engineers can command a salary of $1,000,000 and above
and these are people in their early 20s with no other life experience
but experts in AI.

Can an AI answer a question, without you having to check the answer for correctness ?
This is one of the famous incorrect ones.

"How many letter R are in the word strawberry ?"

Two things I can get from an AI:

1) Useless answers.
2) Wrong answers.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/FRh9vZGK/my-eyes-the-goggles-do-nothing.gif

The output in that example, appears to be the rho character,
repeated many times in a string wider than the screen.

Here is my second attempt, to try to get it to display something sensible.

"Do you know the one-line APL program for solving a linear least squares calculation ( y = a*x + b ) ?
To display the output, could you spell out the character names in the program, one by one,
for easier recognition, such a rho, iota, omega, plus, divide and so on."

And here is the answer (wrapped to fit the screen).

(b a) ← (⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴

Notice there is no closing bracket (implying the machine is still
working on the problem). But on the other hand, the machine
did not do a timeout and erase the output. So what happened ? Fuck nose.

OK, so I tried to enter another query. I hit return. Nothing happened.
It appears I managed to hang an AI... My God, does the value of these
things descend faster than the speed of light, or what ???

Paul

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On Thu, 11/14/2024 4:49 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 13/11/2024 4:19 pm, Ant wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

I turned CoPilot OFF RIGHT AFTER it's installed. :)

Phew, that was close.

You could have been sucked into The Vortex.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/VLnwvqcq/Co-Pilot-App.jpg

Paul

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Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 14/11/2024 9:27 pm, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 11/14/2024 4:49 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 13/11/2024 4:19 pm, Ant wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

I turned CoPilot OFF RIGHT AFTER it's installed. :)

Phew, that was close.

You could have been sucked into The Vortex.

It should have been called "Ghost", not "Co-pilot"! :)

Bah. Symantec already has that name! :P
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Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 15/11/2024 9:30 am, Ant wrote:

Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

On 14/11/2024 9:27 pm, Paul wrote:

You could have been sucked into The Vortex.

It should have been called "Ghost", not "Co-pilot"! :)

Bah. Symantec already has that name! :P

"Phantom" as from Phantom of the Opera? Well.. we really got a browser
called "Opera". :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_%28disk_utility%29 :P
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On Thu, 11/14/2024 3:16 AM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 11/13/2024 10:46 PM, Orange wrote:

On 13/11/2024 08:19, Ant wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

CoPilot is Microsoft's AI and you might know that AI is the future.
Governments around the world are trying to train its Citizens to start
using AI because it will solve many problems in this world. Even doctors
are using AI to diagnose illnesses in patients.

Young people (people below 50 yrs) should start using AI and get maximum
benefits from it. Older people, perhaps, won't see the fruits of AI so
they can continue using what they are currently using.

All the tech companies are looking for programmers who are experts in AI
technologies. AI engineers can command a salary of $1,000,000 and above
and these are people in their early 20s with no other life experience
but experts in AI.

Can an AI answer a question, without you having to check the answer for correctness ?
This is one of the famous incorrect ones.

"How many letter R are in the word strawberry ?"

Two things I can get from an AI:

1) Useless answers.
2) Wrong answers.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/FRh9vZGK/my-eyes-the-goggles-do-nothing.gif

The output in that example, appears to be the rho character,
repeated many times in a string wider than the screen.

Here is my second attempt, to try to get it to display something sensible.

"Do you know the one-line APL program for solving a linear least squares calculation ( y = a*x + b ) ?
To display the output, could you spell out the character names in the program, one by one,
for easier recognition, such a rho, iota, omega, plus, divide and so on."

And here is the answer (wrapped to fit the screen).

(b a) ← (⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴
⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴⍴

Notice there is no closing bracket (implying the machine is still
working on the problem). But on the other hand, the machine
did not do a timeout and erase the output. So what happened ? Fuck nose.

OK, so I tried to enter another query. I hit return. Nothing happened.
It appears I managed to hang an AI... My God, does the value of these
things descend faster than the speed of light, or what ???

Asking the AI today, what happened to my query, the notion of the AI being
hung and so on, this is the reply I got.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/dQ4Qh4FP/plumbers-bang-on-pipes-tip-AI-upright.gif

The dribbling output and freeze up have stopped. It produces an output
now. I will chalk up the wrong answer I got, to an insufficient
initial specification of the problem. I did not want the machine
to write me a program from scratch, I just wanted it to cough up a
meme from forty years ago.

What I'd hoped for, is the original one liner, was one known by APL users
and was kind of a meme for writing stupid one line programs. One line programs are harder to debug, and are not a recommended way to do business. but the "linear least squares in one line" demo was proof how much better
APL was than Fortran at the time. And APL was used for our ELIZA port
that the genius did (the guy with the PhD). APL is a workspace, and
your data is persistent between sessions, like BASIC. You enter a matrix
of ordered (x,y) values and the one-liner draws the best straight line
through the points, by computing "a" (slope) and "b" (intercept).
That's a linear least squares curve fit program, in one line.

I consider it Double-Ungood, for an AI to not be constrained by a
timeout timer. I exceeded the max time, and my prompt did not return
to me. In a situation like SkyNet, I would be unable to type a Prompt
to throttle any errant behavior. The timeout should ALWAYS work!
It's a safety issue.

Paul

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]

The Windows Update for November 2024 added an App.
You can see it in the picture here.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRDXdMX7/Co-Pilot-Win10-November-2024.gif

FWIW, on my wife's (Windows 10 22H2 Home with 12NOV2024 updates)
computer, the Copilot app is *not* present. It is nowhere to be found
and a Apps search only points to the Microsoft Store.

So I do not understand why the app is on your system and on Ant's.

Are your systems perhaps Pro instead of Home?

[...]

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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]

The Windows Update for November 2024 added an App.
You can see it in the picture here.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRDXdMX7/Co-Pilot-Win10-November-2024.gif

FWIW, on my wife's (Windows 10 22H2 Home with 12NOV2024 updates)
computer, the Copilot app is *not* present. It is nowhere to be found
and a Apps search only points to the Microsoft Store.

So I do not understand why the app is on your system and on Ant's.

Are your systems perhaps Pro instead of Home?

[...]

Hmm, maybe Pro. only. That doesn't make any sense.
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On Fri, 11/15/2024 8:00 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]

The Windows Update for November 2024 added an App.
You can see it in the picture here.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRDXdMX7/Co-Pilot-Win10-November-2024.gif

FWIW, on my wife's (Windows 10 22H2 Home with 12NOV2024 updates)
computer, the Copilot app is *not* present. It is nowhere to be found
and a Apps search only points to the Microsoft Store.

So I do not understand why the app is on your system and on Ant's.

Are your systems perhaps Pro instead of Home?

[...]

I couldn't find a W10Home, so made a new one.

After the Nov2024 patches, it has CoPilot.
(It also got KB5001716 nagware.)

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/1XvhB5Ry/W10-Home-Co-Pilot-Nov2024.gif

*******

Here is some related material.

Open up MSEdge.

edge://settings/sidebar , "CoPilot and sidebar"

App and notification settings / CoPilot

Show Copilot [Slider to ON]

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/9MY169Yd/msedge-copilot-settings-w11home.gif

Paul

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On Fri, 11/15/2024 4:00 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

Frank Slootweg wrote on 11/15/24 6:00 AM:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]

The Windows Update for November 2024 added an App.
You can see it in the picture here.

    [Picture]

     https://i.postimg.cc/ZRDXdMX7/Co-Pilot-Win10-November-2024.gif

   FWIW, on my wife's (Windows 10 22H2 Home with 12NOV2024 updates)
computer, the Copilot app is *not* present. It is nowhere to be found
and a Apps search only points to the Microsoft Store.

   So I do not understand why the app is on your system and on Ant's.

   Are your systems perhaps Pro instead of Home?

[...]

If not previously uninstalled or not offered[1], likely present, just not enabled in multiple locations.
 - Settings/Apps/Installed apps/CoPilot/Advanced Options/

Let this app run in the background(Always, Power Optimized, Never)

 - Edge(Settings/Copilot and sidebar)

[1] Deployment of Copilot for Win10 may requires Windows Updates to be configured to 'Get latest updates as soon as they're available'

Haven't seen it here. The CoPilot is showing up without the
aggressive Windows Update setting.

The OP is Dutch, but if he got it and his wife did not, then
it's not a "limited country/language" deployment issue.

There aren't a lot of reasons not to receive it. It uses
an App, and uses the sidebar of Edge for display, and the
session is largely text. I've had the CoPilot icon show up,
even without an MSA. Whether the scheme is "cheating", generally
I don't notice the setup of my stuff being tainted by
previous activities. If I have an MSA on one installation
on a given machine, Microsoft does not seem to cheat and use
that MSA in unrelated installations (ones where I only offered
a local account).

Paul

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...w�񧱤� <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

Frank Slootweg wrote on 11/15/24 6:00 AM:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]

The Windows Update for November 2024 added an App.
You can see it in the picture here.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRDXdMX7/Co-Pilot-Win10-November-2024.gif

FWIW, on my wife's (Windows 10 22H2 Home with 12NOV2024 updates) computer, the Copilot app is *not* present. It is nowhere to be found
and a Apps search only points to the Microsoft Store.

So I do not understand why the app is on your system and on Ant's.

Are your systems perhaps Pro instead of Home?

[...]

If not previously uninstalled or not offered[1], likely present, just not enabled in multiple locations.
- Settings/Apps/Installed apps/CoPilot/Advanced Options/
=> Let this app run in the background(Always, Power Optimized, Never)
- Edge(Settings/Copilot and sidebar)

[1] Deployment of Copilot for Win10 may requires Windows Updates to be configured to 'Get latest updates as soon as they're available'

Yep, that's probably it. I have not enabled 'Get the latest updates as
soon as they're available'. Not on this Windows 10 22H2 Home system and
not on my Windows 11 23H2 Home system, both with 12NOV2024 updates and
the latter also showing the same behaviour, no Copilot app.

Another possible cause might be that I've never used Copilot, i.e.
also not by clicking on the Copilot icon in the upper-right corner of
Edge.

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 11/15/2024 8:00 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]

The Windows Update for November 2024 added an App.
You can see it in the picture here.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRDXdMX7/Co-Pilot-Win10-November-2024.gif

FWIW, on my wife's (Windows 10 22H2 Home with 12NOV2024 updates) computer, the Copilot app is *not* present. It is nowhere to be found
and a Apps search only points to the Microsoft Store.

So I do not understand why the app is on your system and on Ant's.

Are your systems perhaps Pro instead of Home?

[...]

I couldn't find a W10Home, so made a new one.

After the Nov2024 patches, it has CoPilot.
(It also got KB5001716 nagware.)

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/1XvhB5Ry/W10-Home-Co-Pilot-Nov2024.gif

*******

Here is some related material.

Open up MSEdge.

edge://settings/sidebar , "CoPilot and sidebar"

App and notification settings / CoPilot

Show Copilot [Slider to ON]

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/9MY169Yd/msedge-copilot-settings-w11home.gif

Paul

Thanks for the information and screenshots. The Copilot app is not on
my wife's system (and not on my Windows 11 23H2 Home systemc$, also with 12NOV2024 updates), See my response to Winston as to the probable/
possible reasons ('Get the latest updates as soon as they're available'
not being enabled or/and Copilot never been used).

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 11/15/2024 4:00 PM, ...w�񧱤� wrote:

Frank Slootweg wrote on 11/15/24 6:00 AM:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]

The Windows Update for November 2024 added an App.
You can see it in the picture here.

��� [Picture]

���� https://i.postimg.cc/ZRDXdMX7/Co-Pilot-Win10-November-2024.gif

�� FWIW, on my wife's (Windows 10 22H2 Home with 12NOV2024 updates)
computer, the Copilot app is *not* present. It is nowhere to be found
and a Apps search only points to the Microsoft Store.

�� So I do not understand why the app is on your system and on Ant's.

�� Are your systems perhaps Pro instead of Home?

[...]

If not previously uninstalled or not offered[1], likely present, just not enabled in multiple locations.
�- Settings/Apps/Installed apps/CoPilot/Advanced Options/

Let this app run in the background(Always, Power Optimized, Never)

�- Edge(Settings/Copilot and sidebar)

[1] Deployment of Copilot for Win10 may requires Windows Updates to be configured to 'Get latest updates as soon as they're available'

Haven't seen it here. The CoPilot is showing up without the
aggressive Windows Update setting.

As I wrote earlier, 'Get the latest updates as soon as they're
available' is not enabled.

The OP is Dutch, but if he got it and his wife did not, then
it's not a "limited country/language" deployment issue.

Neither of us got the Copilot app (my system is Windows 11 23H2 also
Home). My wife's system is configured for Dutch. My system is configured
for 'English (United Kingdom)'.

There aren't a lot of reasons not to receive it. It uses
an App, and uses the sidebar of Edge for display, and the
session is largely text. I've had the CoPilot icon show up,
even without an MSA. Whether the scheme is "cheating", generally
I don't notice the setup of my stuff being tainted by
previous activities. If I have an MSA on one installation
on a given machine, Microsoft does not seem to cheat and use
that MSA in unrelated installations (ones where I only offered
a local account).

We only have local accounts, no MSAs.

BTW, the issue (no Copilot app) *might* be a staged rollout. For
example in another thread I mentioned that we did not get the nag in
Edge to get data (tabs, etc.) from other browsers (like Chrome), but
just now, Edge on my wife's system *did* give that (very deceiving) nag. (Sorry, did not record the text.) It hasn't yet nagged on my system.

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...w�񧱤� <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

Paul wrote on 11/16/24 6:13 AM:

On Fri, 11/15/2024 4:00 PM, ...w�񧱤� wrote:

Frank Slootweg wrote on 11/15/24 6:00 AM:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]

The Windows Update for November 2024 added an App.
You can see it in the picture here.

��� [Picture]

���� https://i.postimg.cc/ZRDXdMX7/Co-Pilot-Win10-November-2024.gif

�� FWIW, on my wife's (Windows 10 22H2 Home with 12NOV2024 updates)
computer, the Copilot app is *not* present. It is nowhere to be found
and a Apps search only points to the Microsoft Store.

�� So I do not understand why the app is on your system and on Ant's. >>>
�� Are your systems perhaps Pro instead of Home?

[...]

If not previously uninstalled or not offered[1], likely present, just not enabled in multiple locations.
�- Settings/Apps/Installed apps/CoPilot/Advanced Options/

Let this app run in the background(Always, Power Optimized, Never)

�- Edge(Settings/Copilot and sidebar)

[1] Deployment of Copilot for Win10 may requires Windows Updates to be configured to 'Get latest updates as soon as they're available'

Haven't seen it here. The CoPilot is showing up without the
aggressive Windows Update setting.

The OP is Dutch, but if he got it and his wife did not, then
it's not a "limited country/language" deployment issue.

There aren't a lot of reasons not to receive it. It uses
an App, and uses the sidebar of Edge for display, and the
session is largely text. I've had the CoPilot icon show up,
even without an MSA. Whether the scheme is "cheating", generally
I don't notice the setup of my stuff being tainted by
previous activities. If I have an MSA on one installation
on a given machine, Microsoft does not seem to cheat and use
that MSA in unrelated installations (ones where I only offered
a local account).

Paul

Copilot Windows app or CoPilot option in Edge
- two different items

MSA is not a CoPilot requirement. Copilot is available feature for Local accounts

Ditto. I use local accounts too.
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 03:46:31 +0000, Orange <noreply@orange.com> wrote:

On 13/11/2024 08:19, Ant wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

CoPilot is Microsoft's AI and you might know that AI is the future. >Governments around the world are trying to train its Citizens to start
using AI because it will solve many problems in this world. Even doctors
are using AI to diagnose illnesses in patients.

Young people (people below 50 yrs) should start using AI and get maximum >benefits from it. Older people, perhaps, won't see the fruits of AI so
they can continue using what they are currently using.

All the tech companies are looking for programmers who are experts in AI >technologies. AI engineers can command a salary of $1,000,000 and above
and these are people in their early 20s with no other life experience
but experts in AI.

My son got an update that crippled his tablet an made it useless for
drawing, which is what he used it for.\

Has anyone else had similar problems?



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On Sun, 11/17/2024 10:39 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 03:46:31 +0000, Orange <noreply@orange.com> wrote:

On 13/11/2024 08:19, Ant wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

CoPilot is Microsoft's AI and you might know that AI is the future.
Governments around the world are trying to train its Citizens to start
using AI because it will solve many problems in this world. Even doctors
are using AI to diagnose illnesses in patients.

Young people (people below 50 yrs) should start using AI and get maximum
benefits from it. Older people, perhaps, won't see the fruits of AI so
they can continue using what they are currently using.

All the tech companies are looking for programmers who are experts in AI
technologies. AI engineers can command a salary of $1,000,000 and above
and these are people in their early 20s with no other life experience
but experts in AI.

My son got an update that crippled his tablet an made it useless for
drawing, which is what he used it for.\

Has anyone else had similar problems?

Your first suspicion, is Device Manager (right click Start, near the top),
or Start : Run : devmgmt.msc .

There could be a hardware device entry for the touchscreen of the tablet.
It may have received a new driver. See if there is a rollback option for
the driver.

Otherwise, you will need to Google using

<make> <modelnumber> tablet Patch Tuesday loss of touch screen driver

If you include the barest details for identification purposes in your posting, it helps a lot with the breadcrumbs needed to find an answer.

Paul

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On Mon, 11/18/2024 2:11 PM, Paul wrote:

On Sun, 11/17/2024 10:39 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 03:46:31 +0000, Orange <noreply@orange.com> wrote:

On 13/11/2024 08:19, Ant wrote:

Seen in my three 64-bit W10 Pro. machines. :O

CoPilot is Microsoft's AI and you might know that AI is the future.
Governments around the world are trying to train its Citizens to start
using AI because it will solve many problems in this world. Even doctors >>> are using AI to diagnose illnesses in patients.

Young people (people below 50 yrs) should start using AI and get maximum >>> benefits from it. Older people, perhaps, won't see the fruits of AI so
they can continue using what they are currently using.

All the tech companies are looking for programmers who are experts in AI >>> technologies. AI engineers can command a salary of $1,000,000 and above
and these are people in their early 20s with no other life experience
but experts in AI.

My son got an update that crippled his tablet an made it useless for
drawing, which is what he used it for.\

Has anyone else had similar problems?

Your first suspicion, is Device Manager (right click Start, near the top),
or Start : Run : devmgmt.msc .

There could be a hardware device entry for the touchscreen of the tablet.
It may have received a new driver. See if there is a rollback option for
the driver.

Otherwise, you will need to Google using

<make> <modelnumber> tablet Patch Tuesday loss of touch screen driver

If you include the barest details for identification purposes in your posting,
it helps a lot with the breadcrumbs needed to find an answer.

Microsoft has also "deprecated" the occasional App, such as the free ones.
It could be, that drawing no longer works, because the App for it was
removed on Patch Tuesday. There is more than one painting program,
like there was a 3D one I played with (which lacked any sort of precise control). as well as regular 2D painting like in the old days. They
were supposed to be removing Wordpad.

If the Tablet had a backup, you could

1) Disconnect the Wifi from the Network.
2) Restore the tablet from your backup.
3) Boot, and carefully study the component parts of the drawing support.
whether it's the touchscreen controller, whether the App is missing,
with some work, you may be able to figure out which bits are
critical to making the tablet work right.
4) Once you've determined the details, then see if anything can be
done from your end to fix it. You would restore the current OS image,
and try to repair any damage done by Microsoft (assuming you
planned on continuing to allow updates into the tablet).

And if this sounds like hard work, everything I do here now is like this!

Paul

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