Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is unrecognised. Can anyone please help ?
TIA
Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is unrecognised. Can anyone please help ?
TIA
On 24/11/2024 11:00, scbs29 wrote:
Hello allWhy not download an iso directly?
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is unrecognised. >> Can anyone please help ?
TIA
https://windowstan.com/win/windows-3-11/
On Sun, 11/24/2024 6:00 AM, scbs29 wrote:
Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is unrecognised. >> Can anyone please help ?
TIA
$ file "Great Greetings 3.5 Disk 1.IMA"
Great Greetings 3.5 Disk 1.IMA:
DOS/MBR boot sector, code offset 0x3c+2,
OEM-ID "2s>w~IHC" cached by Windows 9M,
root entries 224, sectors 2880 (volumes <=32 MB),
sectors/FAT 9, sectors/track 18,
serial number 0x18050a08, unlabeled,
FAT (12 bit), followed by FAT
It's a "dd" transfer of a floppy diskette to an Image file (1440 KB).
You could actually use dd to put it back.
dd if=GG3D1.IMG of=/dev/floppy bs=512 count=2880 # Transfer 2880 sectors to the floppy currently in A:
# Windows dd, could have a different name for the floppy
# and this is merely an overall illustration of the transfer
The next one is more of a puzzle. What kind of floppy diskette is this ???
$ file "Great Greetings 3.5 Disk 2.IMA"
Great Greetings 3.5 Disk 2.IMA:
DOS/MBR boot sector, code offset 0x3c+2,
OEM-ID "MSDMF3.2", sectors/cluster 4,
root entries 16, sectors 3360 (volumes <=32 MB),
sectors/FAT 3, sectors/track 21,
serial number 0x59b9022, label: "GG DISK 2 ",
FAT (12 bit), followed by FAT
and so that would not fit on a physical floppy,
although it might be mountable. I will open with
7ZIP, the file, after a scan with Windows Defender.
Thankyou for your reply
Unfortunately, all I can download from your link is a zip file containing .img files, which I
already have and cannot as yet find a way to convert these img files to iso. I have a vmdk file which is supposed to be for VMWare Workstation but if I try
to open it in VMWare I get a message:
"Windows for Workgroups 3.11.vmdk" cannot be opened directly.
Open the virtual machine configuration file (.vmx) instead.
I do not have the vmx file and have not found it yet.
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 11:49:09 +0000, MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
On 24/11/2024 11:00, scbs29 wrote:
Hello allWhy not download an iso directly?
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is unrecognised. >>> Can anyone please help ?
TIA
https://windowstan.com/win/windows-3-11/
Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is unrecognised. Can anyone please help ?
TIA
On 11/24/24 03:00, scbs29 wrote:
Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is unrecognised. >> Can anyone please help ?
TIA
WFW 3.11 was damned sweet! I installed it a lot
back "in the day".
Huh? I just change the .img to .iso. M$
like to call their ISO's .img.
Also you might have to use something like Rufus
to make it bootable.
Does VMWare not allow you to you to mount
floppies? I remember copying all the
floppies to the hard drive and installing
it from there. There was some trick to it,
but I have forgotten.
Oh I remembered. I had DOS 6.22 installed.
Then copied all the floppies to hard drive
in one big directory from DOS. Then ran
the installer from the directory.
There is a DR-DOS 7 free download out there
somewhere.
I actually still carry with me a bootable dos
6.22 flash drive with me. I use or use to use
it to install BIOS flash updates. Not had
to use DOS for that in ages.
This sounds like an awesome fun project.
Keep us posted!
-T
On 11/24/24 03:00, scbs29 wrote:
Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in
VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any
information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is
unrecognised.
Can anyone please help ?
TIA
WFW 3.11 was damned sweet! I installed it a lot
back "in the day".
Huh? I just change the .img to .iso. M$
like to call their ISO's .img.
find a way to convert these img files to iso.
as
WFW 3.11 would not know what a SATA drive was.
On 11/25/24 15:16, Paul wrote:
as
WFW 3.11 would not know what a SATA drive was.
Hmmmmmm. I have IDE as an option in qemu-kvm.
On Tue, 11/26/2024 12:48 AM, T wrote:
On 11/25/24 15:16, Paul wrote:
as
WFW 3.11 would not know what a SATA drive was.
Hmmmmmm. I have IDE as an option in qemu-kvm.
That's what you would expect to happen, IDE for
Primary Master, Primary Slave, Secondary Master, Secondary slave
Maybe VMWare just isn't the place for this, and VirtualBox will work.
If I can't figure out how to get a BIOS boot order in VMWare,
I'd have to move to VirtualBox. Or QEMU-KVM as the case may be.
I don't know how many of those I've done, maybe only two or so.
Paul
On 11/25/24 22:59, Paul wrote:
On Tue, 11/26/2024 12:48 AM, T wrote:
On 11/25/24 15:16, Paul wrote:
as
WFW 3.11 would not know what a SATA drive was.
Hmmmmmm. I have IDE as an option in qemu-kvm.
That's what you would expect to happen, IDE for
Primary Master, Primary Slave, Secondary Master, Secondary slave
Maybe VMWare just isn't the place for this, and VirtualBox will work.
If I can't figure out how to get a BIOS boot order in VMWare,
I'd have to move to VirtualBox. Or QEMU-KVM as the case may be.
I don't know how many of those I've done, maybe only two or so.
Paul
Bios boot and boot order are really easy in qemu-kvm.
Something is amiss. vmware and virtual box can't be
that far behind.
For some reason, there's no BIOS popup boot. It was suggested
the key for that was F2, maybe it is <ESC> but so far neither of
them work.
There is a DR-DOS 7 free download out there somewhere.
I actually still carry with me a bootable dos 6.22 flash drive with me.
I use or use to use it to install BIOS flash updates. Not had to use
DOS for that in ages.
This sounds like an awesome fun project.
Keep us posted!
-T
There were at the time other formats for floppies than the standard one.
They changed number of sectors (tracks were fixed, it was a step motor),
and the sizes of gaps and such. They were "bigger" in bytes than normal floppies, if the quality of the media was good. At the end of the floppy
era quality turned bad.
I remember a magazine article that described in detail how to create
such bigger floppies, providing the formatting tools.
WfW 3.11 is Windows 3.11? Windows for work groups perhaps? I did not
know they used such floppies.
On 2024-11-26 09:11, Paul wrote:
For some reason, there's no BIOS popup boot. It was suggested
the key for that was F2, maybe it is <ESC> but so far neither of
them work.
Google says it is indeed F2, but only for a second, so you have to be fast.
On Mon, 11/25/2024 11:35 AM, T wrote:F12 on my Virtualbox.
On 11/24/24 03:00, scbs29 wrote:
Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is unrecognised. >>> Can anyone please help ?
TIA
WFW 3.11 was damned sweet! I installed it a lot
back "in the day".
Huh? I just change the .img to .iso. M$
like to call their ISO's .img.
Also you might have to use something like Rufus
to make it bootable.
Does VMWare not allow you to you to mount
floppies? I remember copying all the
floppies to the hard drive and installing
it from there. There was some trick to it,
but I have forgotten.
Oh I remembered. I had DOS 6.22 installed.
Then copied all the floppies to hard drive
in one big directory from DOS. Then ran
the installer from the directory.
There is a DR-DOS 7 free download out there
somewhere.
I actually still carry with me a bootable dos
6.22 flash drive with me. I use or use to use
it to install BIOS flash updates. Not had
to use DOS for that in ages.
This sounds like an awesome fun project.
Keep us posted!
-T
I tried the VMWaare Workstation (free thing), and it pares down
the hardware types (no SATA drives of course) as
WFW 3.11 would not know what a SATA drive was.
The problem I ran into, is I inserted a floppy image,
but the boot process does not seem to see it, and
I can't find a boot menu. I tried <ESC> and F2 and
banging on either of those, does not bring up a
legacy boot menu for steering. If I can't set the
floppy ahead of the HDD, this experiment will only
last microseconds before halting.
Paul
[snip]
There is a DR-DOS 7 free download out there somewhere.
Does that support FAT32? MS-DOS didn't add that until 7.1
I actually still carry with me a bootable dos 6.22 flash drive with me.
I use or use to use it to install BIOS flash updates. Not had to use
DOS for that in ages.
With my latest desktop, you just put the BIOS update on a USB drive in a particular port and press a button while booting. According to the manual, you don't need a CPU installed.
On Tue, 11/26/2024 7:40 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-11-26 09:11, Paul wrote:
For some reason, there's no BIOS popup boot. It was suggested
the key for that was F2, maybe it is <ESC> but so far neither of
them work.
Google says it is indeed F2, but only for a second, so you have to be fast.
I tried my best pinball ninja technique and still could not get F2 to work.
My laptop happens to use F2 and the timing window is 1 second wide,
and I miss that about half the time. The VMWare window must be less
than 1 second :-)
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 11/26/2024 7:40 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-11-26 09:11, Paul wrote:I tried my best pinball ninja technique and still could not get F2 to work. >>
For some reason, there's no BIOS popup boot. It was suggested
the key for that was F2, maybe it is <ESC> but so far neither of
them work.
Google says it is indeed F2, but only for a second, so you have to be fast. >>
My laptop happens to use F2 and the timing window is 1 second wide,
and I miss that about half the time. The VMWare window must be less
than 1 second :-)
I don't know about the VMWare stuff - or any VM software for that
matter -, but with regard to getting into the real BIOS: On all of my
laptops (all HP) - I just press-and-hold the relevant key *before*
letting it power-up/restart. The BIOS sees the key in the pressed-down
state, so no need to try to hit a timing window.
On Tue, 11/26/2024 7:40 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-11-26 09:11, Paul wrote:I tried my best pinball ninja technique and still could not get F2 to
For some reason, there's no BIOS popup boot. It was suggested the key
for that was F2, maybe it is <ESC> but so far neither of them work.
Google says it is indeed F2, but only for a second, so you have to be
fast.
work.
My laptop happens to use F2 and the timing window is 1 second wide,
and I miss that about half the time. The VMWare window must be less than
1 second :-)
Paul
On 2024-11-25 17:35, T wrote:
On 11/24/24 03:00, scbs29 wrote:
Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in
VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any
information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is
unrecognised.
Can anyone please help ?
TIA
WFW 3.11 was damned sweet! I installed it a lot
back "in the day".
Huh? I just change the .img to .iso. M$
like to call their ISO's .img.
Because strictly speaking, they are not ISO.
...
Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is unrecognised. >Can anyone please help ?
TIA
On 26/11/2024 01:44, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-11-25 17:35, T wrote:
On 11/24/24 03:00, scbs29 wrote:
Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in
VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any
information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine. >>>> Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is
unrecognised.
Can anyone please help ?
TIA
WFW 3.11 was damned sweet! I installed it a lot
back "in the day".
Huh? I just change the .img to .iso. M$
like to call their ISO's .img.
Because strictly speaking, they are not ISO.
...
Indeed.
ISO files are ready to be written to CDs or DVDs.
IMG files are ready to be written to Floppy disks.
However some software that can read ISO files will also be happy to read
IMG files.
Thankyou for all of the help and advice.
I have, however, managed to sort out the problem. As I probably said a vmdk cannot be directly
loaded into VMWare without the corrsponding vmx file.
I did, however, find a way of doing it by setting up for a new virtuall machine and
telling the program to use an existing vm file. This way VMWare will load a vmdk file
Thanks again
On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 11:00:34 +0000, scbs29 <scbs29@fred.talktalk.net> wrote:
Hello all
for my own amusement I wsh to set WfW 3.11 as a virtual machine in VMWare Workstation Pro.
I have downloaded the img files for WfW but cannot seem to find any information as to how to convert
these (all 8) to an iso file to use for seting up the virtual machine.
Trying to unzip them leads to being told that their format is unrecognised. >> Can anyone please help ?
TIA
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