XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.os.windows-11

Asking for a friend. The printer ng is rather dormant so asking here
too.

He has windows 11 and an HP printer, Officejet Pro 8610. The printer
worked fine until recently. Now it has more than one but maybe related problems.

The wi-fi connection with the computer is broken and when not broken it
doesn't print well.

A) One time we got to the point of putting in the router password and it connected, but 5 minutes later the connection was gone again. ??? See
item E) for more information. Maybe I should have put it next.

B) When it prints an internal page, internal to the printer, like the
Test page or the Network Configuration page, the page is beautiful, but
when he has been able to print from the computer it's terrible. Every
8th line is nice, but the two lines before it (and 5 lines before it)
are dim and top (or bottom for line 5) half is even dimmer, and the 2
lines before that, 3 and 4, are so dim as to be practically invisible.
The whole page is like that. If the printer is connected well enough to
get anything, how can it be so bad?

Actually, the repetitive nature of the problem, every 8 lines, seems
maybe like** a printer problem, not a transmision/conection** problem,
but the internal pages are perfect. **Or there is some electronic
interference with the wifi transmission that pulses at the same rate
that 8 lines of printer transmission take? Wouldn't that affect
everything else he does on the wifi-connected laptop? or at least
everything outgoing? He's sent me emails that look fine.

C) It says there is no internet connection. They don't mean the wifi connection, do they? Some recent printers will let the owner print from anywhere in the world, if he has registered with the printer
manufacturer. He hasn't and he doesn't print when he travels,so he
doesn't need this, but is that what the message is referring to?

D) Is HP more confusing than most, especially their webpages? It says to install cerrtain software and it's hard to find the software by that
name. It said to install the helper app to help installing the
software. We did that and the helper app is there, but no interface
with the printer. (He bought this laptop after he bought the printer.
The computer he had then is gone, I think. When there is a problem
printing, he gets no message on the computer (and the printer is in the basement. That's because the software that should be on the computer is
not, right?)

E) When it wasn't working, the printer printed Wireless Network Test
Results and under Conectivity it said
-- Connected Not Run
-- Disconect count total 175 -- that's very bad, isn't it?

Under Network it said
-- Network name (SSID) Found Fail
-- Other networks detected matching ur natwork name (SSID) Not Run
-- Wireless networks 7 -- How can it find 7 networks
but not his own? That's what that means, right?

But despite not finding the network name in the first part of the
report, under Current Configuration it has
-- Network Name (SSID) and has his wifi network name.
Is that just left over from when it worked?
How can if find 7 wireless networks (his neighbors. The lots are 60
or 80 feet wide!) and not find his own network? The router is only 14
feet away from the printer!!!


BTW, this is one thing I consider confusing:
Network name (SSID) Found Fail
It says "Found" even though it's not found. They should leave out found
or put in a question mark.

Less important:
F) Have they started using App for both the phone and the computer? I
hate that. My Brother printer lets you print straight from the phone so
when it says App, it sound like they are talking about the phone, but I
think sometimes HP is talking about the computer. Changing program to
app is reminiscent of changing directory to folder, another unnecessary
change meant to cater to people they think are too dumb to learn a new
word. But it's worse because it's confusing and folder is not
inherently confusing.

Much less important:
G) The Verizon router password is 16 or 20 characters long, altenating
between letters and numbers. It's too late for me to change it because
I have two phones, two computers, two printers, a smart TV, Alexa, and
maybe a table radio connected using the old computer, But even 4
alphabetic characters is more than enough to stop my next door and
2-door-away and 3-door-away neighbors from breaking into my wifi. Mostly because none of them want to. And are they going to monitor my wifi all
week waiting for me to log into my bank, and they don't know how to tell
when I'm doing that***, just so they can steal my bank password, so they
can become thieves? If I'd been smart, I would have changed the
password to something I can remember and is easy to enter, but no one
suggests this in advance. They say it can be changed but don't point
out why it's a good idea.

***I suppose there is software somewhere that can listen to all wifi
waiting for the url for a bank followed not too long afterwards by the
userid and password, but isn't it difficult to tell what is the user id
and password amidst all the other traffic. They are not labeled, are
they? It just goes by the offset fromt the start of the transmission,
right? I myself am likely to download and read some news or email in
between requesting the login screen for the bank and actually sending my
login credentials.

Plus even 4 characters would give 26**4 possible passwords, so how will
they get into my wifi in the first place? Plus they don't know it's
only 4 characters. They would expect that it's longer and have to
allocate time for 36**8 possibilities. Or 36**20. The guy from the
National Bureau of Standards who wrote the original standards for
passwords has now, several years ago, changed his mind and says he was
wrong, they don't have to be iirc so long or complicated, and he, or
someone else, says they don't have to be changed unless there is a data
breech. Yet afaict, most places are still following t he old mistaken standards.

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XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.os.windows-11

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Moral - do not use them!

Go for one with USB and/or Ethernet.

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Graham J

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XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 11/27/2024 11:10 AM, micky wrote:

Asking for a friend. The printer ng is rather dormant so asking here
too.

He has windows 11 and an HP printer, Officejet Pro 8610. The printer
worked fine until recently. Now it has more than one but maybe related problems.

The wi-fi connection with the computer is broken and when not broken it doesn't print well.

A) One time we got to the point of putting in the router password and it connected, but 5 minutes later the connection was gone again. ??? See
item E) for more information. Maybe I should have put it next.

B) When it prints an internal page, internal to the printer, like the
Test page or the Network Configuration page, the page is beautiful, but
when he has been able to print from the computer it's terrible. Every
8th line is nice, but the two lines before it (and 5 lines before it)
are dim and top (or bottom for line 5) half is even dimmer, and the 2
lines before that, 3 and 4, are so dim as to be practically invisible.
The whole page is like that. If the printer is connected well enough to
get anything, how can it be so bad?

Actually, the repetitive nature of the problem, every 8 lines, seems
maybe like** a printer problem, not a transmision/conection** problem,
but the internal pages are perfect. **Or there is some electronic interference with the wifi transmission that pulses at the same rate
that 8 lines of printer transmission take? Wouldn't that affect
everything else he does on the wifi-connected laptop? or at least
everything outgoing? He's sent me emails that look fine.

C) It says there is no internet connection. They don't mean the wifi connection, do they? Some recent printers will let the owner print from anywhere in the world, if he has registered with the printer
manufacturer. He hasn't and he doesn't print when he travels,so he
doesn't need this, but is that what the message is referring to?

D) Is HP more confusing than most, especially their webpages? It says to install cerrtain software and it's hard to find the software by that
name. It said to install the helper app to help installing the
software. We did that and the helper app is there, but no interface
with the printer. (He bought this laptop after he bought the printer.
The computer he had then is gone, I think. When there is a problem
printing, he gets no message on the computer (and the printer is in the basement. That's because the software that should be on the computer is
not, right?)

E) When it wasn't working, the printer printed Wireless Network Test
Results and under Conectivity it said
-- Connected Not Run
-- Disconect count total 175 -- that's very bad, isn't it?

Under Network it said
-- Network name (SSID) Found Fail
-- Other networks detected matching ur natwork name (SSID) Not Run
-- Wireless networks 7 -- How can it find 7 networks
but not his own? That's what that means, right?

But despite not finding the network name in the first part of the
report, under Current Configuration it has
-- Network Name (SSID) and has his wifi network name.
Is that just left over from when it worked?
How can if find 7 wireless networks (his neighbors. The lots are 60
or 80 feet wide!) and not find his own network? The router is only 14
feet away from the printer!!!

BTW, this is one thing I consider confusing:
Network name (SSID) Found Fail
It says "Found" even though it's not found. They should leave out found
or put in a question mark.

Less important:
F) Have they started using App for both the phone and the computer? I
hate that. My Brother printer lets you print straight from the phone so
when it says App, it sound like they are talking about the phone, but I
think sometimes HP is talking about the computer. Changing program to
app is reminiscent of changing directory to folder, another unnecessary change meant to cater to people they think are too dumb to learn a new
word. But it's worse because it's confusing and folder is not
inherently confusing.

Much less important:
G) The Verizon router password is 16 or 20 characters long, altenating between letters and numbers. It's too late for me to change it because
I have two phones, two computers, two printers, a smart TV, Alexa, and
maybe a table radio connected using the old computer, But even 4
alphabetic characters is more than enough to stop my next door and 2-door-away and 3-door-away neighbors from breaking into my wifi. Mostly because none of them want to. And are they going to monitor my wifi all
week waiting for me to log into my bank, and they don't know how to tell
when I'm doing that***, just so they can steal my bank password, so they
can become thieves? If I'd been smart, I would have changed the
password to something I can remember and is easy to enter, but no one suggests this in advance. They say it can be changed but don't point
out why it's a good idea.

***I suppose there is software somewhere that can listen to all wifi
waiting for the url for a bank followed not too long afterwards by the
userid and password, but isn't it difficult to tell what is the user id
and password amidst all the other traffic. They are not labeled, are
they? It just goes by the offset fromt the start of the transmission,
right? I myself am likely to download and read some news or email in between requesting the login screen for the bank and actually sending my login credentials.

Plus even 4 characters would give 26**4 possible passwords, so how will
they get into my wifi in the first place? Plus they don't know it's
only 4 characters. They would expect that it's longer and have to
allocate time for 36**8 possibilities. Or 36**20. The guy from the National Bureau of Standards who wrote the original standards for
passwords has now, several years ago, changed his mind and says he was
wrong, they don't have to be iirc so long or complicated, and he, or
someone else, says they don't have to be changed unless there is a data breech. Yet afaict, most places are still following t he old mistaken standards.

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 16:45:28 +0000, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

It might not have USB. Horrors. That's so ridiculous. What if you
have a router and it breaks?

Moral - do not use them!

Go for one with USB and/or Ethernet.

In my case, not my friend's, I have my wireless printer in the next
bedroom, which has no ethernet and I really woudl not want another wire
running along the carpet. (The days when I go into the attic and run
wires properly are over. And I think doing that 40 years ago caused my
bedroom ceiling to fall down 2 months ago.)

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XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.os.windows-11

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 12:11:05 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 16:45:28 +0000, Graham J ><nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

It might not have USB. Horrors. That's so ridiculous. What if you
have a router and it breaks?

Well I found the manual and this one does have USB connection. But you
can't just plug in USB if you had wifi or ethernet. You have to find
the Printer/Utilities and then click something and click Connect a new
printer. Also there are steps needed to go in the other direction.

This does mean you can't do it just by plugging in USB, right?

Is that typical, that you can't just plug in USB if you've been using
something else to connect? And can't just use wifi if you've been using
USB?

And afaik he still does't have the printer software on his computer.
It's not on his desktop. I was going to look in the list of all
programs, but he has win11, and I have win10 modified to look like win7,
so il can't find anything on his computer!!! His printer is older than
his laptop, so he probably never though to install the software.

Maybe he has a CD that came with the printer.

Hmmm. I know you don't have to install the printer software because I
was subletting a room for 6 weeks a couple years ago from someone who
was doing student teaching for 6 weeks, and there was a nice printer in
it. I started using DOS iirc to send my jobs to the printer, but later
just used Ctrl-P from the editor iirc. and it found it and printed
nicely. The drivers for most printers come with windows, even though
they were written by the printer companies, right?

Moral - do not use them!

Go for one with USB and/or Ethernet.

In my case, not my friend's, I have my wireless printer in the next
bedroom, which has no ethernet and I really woudl not want another wire >running along the carpet. (The days when I go into the attic and run
wires properly are over. And I think doing that 40 years ago caused my >bedroom ceiling to fall down 2 months ago.)

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XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.os.windows-11

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 11:32:56 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

I suggested that, and he's looking for a USB cable but after we put in 2
hours yesterday, I just went home. And now I see that he might need
software to change from wifi to usb!! Or do you think he can just plug
it in anyhow?

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XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.os.windows-11

In article <vi7ib8$3722$1@dont-email.me>,
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Gosh! That's useless, I use wired ethernet here, solid and reliable. Only phones and tablets use Wi-Fi here.

--
Stuart Winsor

Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/

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XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.os.windows-11

micky wrote:on.

This does mean you can't do it just by plugging in USB, right?

Is that typical, that you can't just plug in USB if you've been using something else to connect? And can't just use wifi if you've been using
USB?

I have a HP Envy 5000. I can use it wireless, USB, plugged into router.

The good point about the latter two options is that they both bypass the
clunky HP Smart app.
Just plug yours in and see what happens. Windows should jump to install it.

Ed

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On 27/11/2024 16:45:28, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or the >> printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the wireless >> connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Moral - do not use them!

Go for one with USB and/or Ethernet.

Really?
My HP Photosmart Premium (C410) has ethernet, usb and wifi connections. Currently using one computer connected by usb and two more connected by
wifi.

--
mick

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XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 27/11/2024 17:27:12, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 11:32:56 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

I suggested that, and he's looking for a USB cable but after we put in 2 hours yesterday, I just went home. And now I see that he might need software to change from wifi to usb!! Or do you think he can just plug
it in anyhow?

Turn wifi off on the printer.
Turn the printer off at the mains.
Power off the computer and turn off at the mains.
Plug the usb cable into the printer then into the computer.
Turn on the computer and startup windows.
Then turn on the printer and windows should find the attached printer.

--
mick

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XPost: comp.periphs.printers, alt.comp.os.windows-11

Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Not known to me, nor to the other responders who actually have HP
printers.

Do you have a (reputable) reference of such a Wi-Fi only HP printer,
or is this just hearsay?

Moral - do not use them!

Go for one with USB and/or Ethernet.

For home use, Wi-Fi can be a completely valid setup. micky just gave
one such an example.

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Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Moral - do not use them!

Go for one with USB and/or Ethernet.

I'd suggest brother printers.

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...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

micky wrote on 11/27/24 10:27 AM:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 11:32:56 -0500, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

I suggested that, and he's looking for a USB cable but after we put in 2
hours yesterday, I just went home.   And now I see that he might need
software to change from wifi to usb!!  Or do you think he can just plug
it in anyhow?

You don't software to change from USB to Wifi.
 - not sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

 Disconnect USB cable from the printer and computer, decide which mode
the 8610 will connect to the router(LAN or Wifi), then configure the printer's LAN or Wifi MAC address in your router to be assigned a static
ip address, save the routers settings.

I'm curious. Why do you need static IP for a printer? I've been letting
the router DHCP assign IP and it's been working really well so far. What
am I missing by doing it this easy way?

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On 2024-11-27 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Nono. This is not true.

I have an HP Laserjet M209dw and it has both WiFi and Ethernet. What it
doesn't have is USB.



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Cheers, Carlos.

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Hank Rogers wrote:

[snip]

I'm curious. Why do you need static IP for a printer?  I've been letting
the router DHCP assign IP and it's been working really well so far. What
am I missing by doing it this easy way?

It depends on several things: the router, and the driver software for a
start.

The driver software may find the printer by IP address, or by some other
UDP mechanism such as a node name. If by IP address the driver
remembers it, and if it should change, you can't print. If by node
name, it probably uses the MAC address which is constant and does not
make use of the router.

If you set the printer's WiFi connection to communicate with the router,
the router will give it an IP address. Similarly if you use an Ethernet
cable.

Now, the router might remember what IP address it issued to the printer
- this depends entirely on the router. Some routers provide this
facility explicitly - it's called binding the IP address to a MAC
address. Other routers provide the facility by default and they may or
may not provide a mechanism to configure it.

The router will remember this setting across a power cycle, but not
across a factory reset.

So if you can make the printer's IP address static, it removes any
uncertainty about printing, and generally makes life easier.
Particularly if you need a web browser to look at the printer status -
such as remaining ink, or the like.


--
Graham J

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On 2024-11-27 17:10, micky wrote:

Asking for a friend. The printer ng is rather dormant so asking here
too.

He has windows 11 and an HP printer, Officejet Pro 8610. The printer
worked fine until recently. Now it has more than one but maybe related problems.

The wi-fi connection with the computer is broken and when not broken it doesn't print well.

A) One time we got to the point of putting in the router password and it connected, but 5 minutes later the connection was gone again. ??? See
item E) for more information. Maybe I should have put it next.

Reboot both router and printer.

Has the printer been relocated? For testing, you could place the printer
in the same room as the router. Then follow the documented procedure to
enter WiFi SSID and password.

Most network printers have a web page. You only need to know the IP of
the printer and connect to it with a web browser. The IP will be printed
in the report info page the printer prints. Get there and browse around.

In some models you can write a fixed IP for the printer to be. This
setting may be placed inside the web page. Alternatively, you can fixate
an IP on the router.

Some HP printers can only be setup by using the HP Smart phone
application (they have no display). And with some you need to register;
the idea is that you contract with them some form of ink/toner refill,
but at least the last printer I setup I simply promised to buy
originals, then said no to the automatic refills.

The first time around, I failed to complete the procedure on the phone
app, and after some months and some printed pages, the printer refused
to print anything from the computer. It said to complete the procedure
(ie, register), because the test period had finished. But the phone app
stalled and did not find the printer. I had to factory reset the printer
and repeat the setup procedure at a different location with a different
router.


If the printer has an ethernet port, you should be able to connect that
to the router for testing.


Check the WiFi signal at the room the printer is placed. For instance,
use WiFi Analyzer on an Android phone.

...

Note that I am not familiar with the Windows side of things. I would
check the instructions leaflet. If lost, google the model.

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Cheers, Carlos.

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On 2024-11-27 22:14, Hank Rogers wrote:

...

I'm curious. Why do you need static IP for a printer?  I've been letting
the router DHCP assign IP and it's been working really well so far. What
am I missing by doing it this easy way?

It facilitates things.

For instance, many printers provide a web page for information and
control. For this, you need to know the IP address of the printer.

Then, if the printer changes IP, the computer software needs to find the printer by some broadcast protocol. This takes some time, and in some environments it fails to work. There may be firewall issues.

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On Wed, 11/27/2024 4:14 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  wrote:

micky wrote on 11/27/24 10:27 AM:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 11:32:56 -0500, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or >>>> the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

I suggested that, and he's looking for a USB cable but after we put in 2 >>> hours yesterday, I just went home.   And now I see that he might need
software to change from wifi to usb!!  Or do you think he can just plug >>> it in anyhow?

You don't software to change from USB to Wifi.
  - not sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

  Disconnect USB cable from the printer and computer, decide which mode the 8610 will connect to the router(LAN or Wifi), then configure the printer's LAN or Wifi MAC address in your router to be assigned a static ip address, save the routers

settings.

I'm curious. Why do you need static IP for a printer?  I've been letting
the router DHCP assign IP and it's been working really well so far.
What am I missing by doing it this easy way?

The OP has been disconnected 175 times. If there is evidence the materials
in question are not "stable", then getting DHCP out of the way is just
a means of preventing DHCP from being tipped over because of the instability
of some other aspect of the operation.

I'd be tempted to just run a hardwire to these pesky critters
and get this lamentable Wifi out of the picture.

it could be, that the new router has a lot of "power save" features,
and something of that nature is scuttling connections.

The printer (even an inkjet) could have power save behavior.

Next, we'll discover the building is a giant Faraday cage.

Paul

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 15:07:03 -0600, Hank
Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Moral - do not use them!

Go for one with USB and/or Ethernet.

I'd suggest brother printers.

Yes, I have a Brother printer and I think it forgot the password once in
10 years, and that was the only problem, and it never complains about
the off-brand ink I buy.

Finally after 10 years, the red clogged and I tried a lot of things to
unclog it, finally switching to "grey scale". I know that black print
normally uses some of the colored ink, but I was under the impression
that grey scale didn't use any. Nonetheless, yellow, which was already
low to begin with, ran out and I don't think it would let me print
without a new yellow cartridge. It certainly nagged me firmly, with a
big white box in the middle of the screen at random times, that iirc I
couldn't move or get rid of except by clicking OK. I had a yellow
cartridge and after using that 3 days ago, it's been fine.

So does grey scale still use non-black ink?

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Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-27 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Nono. This is not true.

I have an HP Laserjet M209dw and it has both WiFi and Ethernet. What it doesn't have is USB.

Are you sure about that? The Product Specification says:

"Connectivity, standard
1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000TX network; 1 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 (device);
Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

Or is the USB only for pludding in a USB memory-stick, etc. (i.e. not
for connecting the printer to a computer)?

'HP LaserJet M209dw Printer' <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-m212-printer-series/model/30836593>

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A bit earlier, I wrote:
[...]

Or is the USB only for pludding in a USB memory-stick, etc. (i.e. not
for connecting the printer to a computer)?

I think I should stay away from the booze for the rest of the day!

In my defense: On the keyboard, the 'd' is *somewhat* close to the 'g'.

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On 2024-11-28 12:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-27 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or >>>> the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Nono. This is not true.

I have an HP Laserjet M209dw and it has both WiFi and Ethernet. What it
doesn't have is USB.

Are you sure about that? The Product Specification says:

The box clearly says "no usb", and the would be usb socket is filled up
with a lid of some kind.

Although the vendor said it has usb. Huh, it is a photo of text, I can
not paste it here.

By hand: refurb, laser printer, HP laserjet M209dwe, WiFi, USB,
Ethernet, Bluetooth, 6 months instant ink with HP+, double sided+

104.25€

So maybe there is a variant model with USB.

"Connectivity, standard
1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000TX network; 1 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 (device);
Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

Or is the USB only for pludding in a USB memory-stick, etc. (i.e. not
for connecting the printer to a computer)?

'HP LaserJet M209dw Printer' <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-m212-printer-series/model/30836593>

...

In my defense: On the keyboard, the 'd' is *somewhat* close to the 'g'.

Ah. :-)


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On 11/28/2024 8:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

The box clearly says "no usb", and the would be usb socket is filled up
with a lid of some kind.

Here is a video about connecting computer to the hp-laserjet-m207

https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-%20%3E%3E%20m212-printer-series/model/30836593

NOTE: This printer does not use the standard flat type USB cable. The
USB port is a "D" shaped port SEE THE VIDEO ABOVE

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On 2024-11-28 05:14, micky wrote:

So does grey scale still use non-black ink?

There may be a switch in the printer config to only use black ink or toner.

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On 2024-11-28 14:54, knuttle wrote:

On 11/28/2024 8:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

The box clearly says "no usb", and the would be usb socket is filled
up with a lid of some kind.

Here is a video about connecting computer to the hp-laserjet-m207

https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207- %20%3E%3E%20m212-printer-series/model/30836593

The specs do not match. For example, the text says:

Print quality black (best)
Black: Up to 600 x 600 dpi Color:

Well, it is B/W only, absolutely no colour. So you can not trust those
specs to the letter.

NOTE: This printer does not use the standard flat type USB cable.  The

USB port is a "D" shaped port SEE THE VIDEO ABOVE

The video is generic. My printer doesn't match the one on the video.

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In article <vi9sni$id78$1@dont-email.me>,
knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 11/28/2024 8:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

The box clearly says "no usb", and the would be usb socket is filled up with a lid of some kind.

Here is a video about connecting computer to the hp-laserjet-m207

https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-%20%3E%3E%20m212-printer-series/model/30836593

NOTE: This printer does not use the standard flat type USB cable. The
USB port is a "D" shaped port SEE THE VIDEO ABOVE

Without viewing the video, it sounds like the old style USB B type, these
were very common on all sorts of peripherals at one time. They were
usually supplied with leads with a USB A for the computer end and a USB B
plug for the peripheral at the other.

--
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Tools With A Mission
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On Thu, 11/28/2024 8:14 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2024-11-28 05:14, micky wrote:

So does grey scale still use non-black ink?

There may be a switch in the printer config to only use black ink or toner.

But this is HP though.

I doubt they would print black-only prints.

They need that yellow cart... so they can do "cleaning cycles" on it :-)

*******

Some printers have a "print quality" control, and
that's what makes the prints a bit faint.

https://s7d1.scene7.com/is/image/canon/6109_image_1?scl=1

Paul

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[snip]

Changing program to

app is reminiscent of changing directory to folder, another unnecessary change meant to cater to people they think are too dumb to learn a new
word. But it's worse because it's confusing and folder is not
inherently confusing.

I'd rather call them directories. "Folder" is an old way of carrying
papers around, that you have to be very careful with or risk having an
unsorted mess on the floor.

[snip]

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12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

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http://notstupid.us/

"The only terror in death is the apprehension of what lies beyond it,
and that emotion is impossible to a sincere disbeliever." -- C.W. Foote, Infidel Death Beds

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On Thu, 11/28/2024 8:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2024-11-28 12:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-27 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or >>>>> the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Nono. This is not true.

I have an HP Laserjet M209dw and it has both WiFi and Ethernet. What it
doesn't have is USB.

   Are you sure about that? The Product Specification says:

The box clearly says "no usb", and the would be usb socket is filled up with a lid of some kind.

Although the vendor said it has usb. Huh, it is a photo of text, I can not paste it here.

By hand: refurb, laser printer, HP laserjet M209dwe, WiFi, USB, Ethernet, Bluetooth, 6 months instant ink with HP+, double sided+

104.25€

So maybe there is a variant model with USB.

"Connectivity, standard
  1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000TX network; 1 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 (device);
  Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

   Or is the USB only for pludding in a USB memory-stick, etc. (i.e. not >> for connecting the printer to a computer)?

'HP LaserJet M209dw Printer'
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-m212-printer-series/model/30836593>

...

  In my defense: On the keyboard, the 'd' is *somewhat* close to the 'g'.

Ah. :-)

On the web site here, the back of their printer has the control panel
controls, and the front of the printer has the same set of controls,
and all the connectors are missing. That is in the equipment pictures.

https://connorsoffice.ca/hp-inc/hp-laserjet-200-m209dw-desktop-wireless-laser-printer-monochrome/73975-00/p

Yet, the ninth page of the PDF, shows connectors on the back, on the right.

Ninth page, "Printer Back View"

https://content.etilize.com/User-Manual/1067439376.pdf

It seems to be a very "flexible" product when it comes to
fit and finish. Resembles a "grab bag" or a "mystery meat".

I would pay good money to be treated this way, I can tell you.

Paul

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[snip]

NOTE: This printer does not use the standard flat type USB cable. The
USB port is a "D" shaped port SEE THE VIDEO ABOVE

That sounds like a USB-B port commonly used on peripherals before USB-C
became common.

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12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

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http://notstupid.us/

"The only terror in death is the apprehension of what lies beyond it,
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On 27/11/2024 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Moral - do not use them!

Go for one with USB and/or Ethernet.

HP printers can also be connected by wire to a local network.
That's what we have.

fokke Nauta

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On Wed, 27 Nov 24 17:45:02 UTC, Stuart wrote:

In article <vi7ib8$3722$1@dont-email.me>,
Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB
or the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Gosh! That's useless, I use wired ethernet here, solid and reliable.
Only phones and tablets use Wi-Fi here.

I always use wired ethernet when possible (and don't use HP printers). I
have a Brother printer that has ethernet.

BTW, The spell checker in Thunderbird seems to think that "ethernet"
should by "Ethernet".

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On 2024-11-28 20:00, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 11/28/2024 8:14 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2024-11-28 05:14, micky wrote:

So does grey scale still use non-black ink?

There may be a switch in the printer config to only use black ink or toner. >>

But this is HP though.

I doubt they would print black-only prints.

They need that yellow cart... so they can do "cleaning cycles" on it :-)

Hum. Maybe on ink printers, mine is a laser, and I think I have seen the setting. Not sure, though. I will look later, now I'm going to the
cinema :-)

[...]

I can not find it. But I remember a setting somewhere to print greys as
colours or not.

...

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On 2024-11-28 20:22, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 11/28/2024 8:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2024-11-28 12:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-27 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or >>>>>> the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the >>>>>> wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Nono. This is not true.

I have an HP Laserjet M209dw and it has both WiFi and Ethernet. What it >>>> doesn't have is USB.

   Are you sure about that? The Product Specification says:

The box clearly says "no usb", and the would be usb socket is filled up with a lid of some kind.

Although the vendor said it has usb. Huh, it is a photo of text, I can not paste it here.

By hand: refurb, laser printer, HP laserjet M209dwe, WiFi, USB, Ethernet, Bluetooth, 6 months instant ink with HP+, double sided+

104.25€

So maybe there is a variant model with USB.

"Connectivity, standard
  1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000TX network; 1 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 (device); >>>   Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

   Or is the USB only for pludding in a USB memory-stick, etc. (i.e. not >>> for connecting the printer to a computer)?

'HP LaserJet M209dw Printer'
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-m212-printer-series/model/30836593>

...

  In my defense: On the keyboard, the 'd' is *somewhat* close to the 'g'. >>

Ah. :-)

On the web site here, the back of their printer has the control panel controls, and the front of the printer has the same set of controls,
and all the connectors are missing. That is in the equipment pictures.

https://connorsoffice.ca/hp-inc/hp-laserjet-200-m209dw-desktop-wireless-laser-printer-monochrome/73975-00/p

Yet, the ninth page of the PDF, shows connectors on the back, on the right.

Ninth page, "Printer Back View"

Yes. But in mine the place where the recess for the USB socket is, is
filled with some kind of plastic with a symbol printed that says "no usb".

The hole is probably behind, but my bet is it has no electronics on it.

https://content.etilize.com/User-Manual/1067439376.pdf

It seems to be a very "flexible" product when it comes to
fit and finish. Resembles a "grab bag" or a "mystery meat".

I would pay good money to be treated this way, I can tell you.

Paul

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 28 Nov 2024 11:32:31 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

A bit earlier, I wrote:
[...]

Or is the USB only for pludding in a USB memory-stick, etc. (i.e. not
for connecting the printer to a computer)?

I think I should stay away from the booze for the rest of the day!

In my defense: On the keyboard, the 'd' is *somewhat* close to the 'g'.

All I know is that I'm hungry for some pudding.

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 29 Nov 2024 01:10:14 +0100, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-28 20:00, Paul wrote:

On Thu, 11/28/2024 8:14 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2024-11-28 05:14, micky wrote:

So does grey scale still use non-black ink?

There may be a switch in the printer config to only use black ink or toner.

No to both of you. No switch in config.

But this is HP though.
\

No, we're on to Brother now.


It won't kill me to have to yellow ink, and even blue and red, for black printing. Surely it won't use much and they say it makes the black
better anyhow. I would have bought another printer but the Brother
control panel doesn't face up like mine does and the printer is at waist
level; And I so rarely want to print in color anyhow, not for years.
It's not like when I first got one and it was like a birthday prsent to
print something in colors.

I doubt they would print black-only prints.

They need that yellow cart... so they can do "cleaning cycles" on it :-)

Hum. Maybe on ink printers, mine is a laser, and I think I have seen the >setting. Not sure, though. I will look later, now I'm going to the
cinema :-)

[...]

I can not find it. But I remember a setting somewhere to print greys as >colours or not.

...

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 28 Nov 2024 14:23:44 +0100, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

By hand: refurb, laser printer, HP laserjet M209dwe, WiFi, USB,
Ethernet, Bluetooth, 6 months instant ink with HP+, double sided+

Double sided sounds so much more polite than two-faced.

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On Thu, 11/28/2024 3:50 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote:

On 27/11/2024 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Moral - do not use them!

Go for one with USB and/or Ethernet.

HP printers can also be connected by wire to a local network.
That's what we have.

fokke Nauta

This model has two options. No Etherhet if the letter "e"
is not on the end of the model number. Has Ethernet if the
letter "e" is on the end of the model number.

The USB is always supposed to be there, except on Carlos printer
where the USB is missing and has a plastic fascia installed
to cover the "hole". The USB connector is not apparently
a USB-B, it looks like a "micro" version of some sort. That's
what the picture in the find manual seems to show.

Paul

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 13:40:16 -0700,
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

micky wrote on 11/27/24 10:27 AM:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 11:32:56 -0500, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or
the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

I suggested that, and he's looking for a USB cable but after we put in 2
hours yesterday, I just went home. And now I see that he might need
software to change from wifi to usb!! Or do you think he can just plug
it in anyhow?

You don't software to change from USB to Wifi.
- not sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

There were instructions in the owners manual, but they were going in the
other direction. There were so many,sections win8, win7, OS X,
wireless, ethernet, that I thought they pertained to both directions

http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04204791.pdf
To change from a USB connection to a wireless network (Windows)
1. Depending on your operating system, do one of the following:
Windows 8: Right-click an empty area on the Start screen, click All
Apps on the app bar, select the printer name, and then click
Utilities.
Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows XP: From the computer
desktop, click Start, select All Programs, click HP, click the
folder of your printer.
2. Click Printer Setup & Software.
3. Select Convert a USB connected printer to wireless. Follow the
on-screen instructions.

To change from an Ethernet connection to a wireless connection (Windows)
1. Remove the Ethernet cable from the printer.
2. Open the printer software after the installation. For more
information, see Open the HP printer software (Windows) on page
37. Run the Wireless Setup Wizard to make the wireless connection.
For more information, see Set up the printer on your wireless
network on page 106.

But it also said:
The wireless capability of the printer is on by default, as indicated by
the blue Wireless light on the printer control panel. If the wireless
light is blinking, wireless enable (wireless radio on) but you do not
have a wireless connection. If the wireless light is on solid blue, the
printer has an active connection to a wireless network

Disconnect USB cable from the printer and computer, decide which mode
the 8610 will connect to the router(LAN or Wifi), then configure the >printer's LAN or Wifi MAC address in your router to be assigned a static
ip address, save the routers settings.

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 11/28/2024 3:50 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote:

On 27/11/2024 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Moral - do not use them!

Go for one with USB and/or Ethernet.

HP printers can also be connected by wire to a local network.
That's what we have.

fokke Nauta

This model has two options. No Etherhet if the letter "e"
is not on the end of the model number. Has Ethernet if the
letter "e" is on the end of the model number.

"This model" is ambiguous wording, because this thread covers multiple different printers, micky's and Carlos'. But as you below say "Carlos
printer", you're talking about the (HP LaserJet) M209dw and M209dwe.

But the 'e' at the end does *not* mean Etherhet, because, as I
mentioned before, the M209dw [1] also has Ethernet.

The USB is always supposed to be there, except on Carlos printer
where the USB is missing and has a plastic fascia installed
to cover the "hole". The USB connector is not apparently
a USB-B, it looks like a "micro" version of some sort. That's
what the picture in the find manual seems to show.

As I mentioned later (today), the M209dwe [2] does *not* have USB and
that's what Carlos has (he first said M209dw, but later said M209dwe).

[1] 'HP LaserJet M209dw Printer' <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-m212-printer-series/model/30836593>
"Connectivity, standard
1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000TX network; 1 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 (device);
Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

[2] 'HP LaserJet M209dwe Printer' <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207e-m212e-printer-series/model/36120176>
"Connectivity, standard
Ethernet 10/100 Base-TX; Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

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Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-28 12:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-27 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or >>>> the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the
wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Nono. This is not true.

I have an HP Laserjet M209dw and it has both WiFi and Ethernet. What it
doesn't have is USB.

Are you sure about that? The Product Specification says:

The box clearly says "no usb", and the would be usb socket is filled up
with a lid of some kind.

Although the vendor said it has usb. Huh, it is a photo of text, I can
not paste it here.

By hand: refurb, laser printer, HP laserjet M209dwe, WiFi, USB,
Ethernet, Bluetooth, 6 months instant ink with HP+, double sided+

104.25?

So maybe there is a variant model with USB.

"Connectivity, standard
1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000TX network; 1 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 (device);
Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

Or is the USB only for pludding in a USB memory-stick, etc. (i.e. not for connecting the printer to a computer)?

'HP LaserJet M209dw Printer' <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-m212-printer-series/model/30836593>

...

In my defense: On the keyboard, the 'd' is *somewhat* close to the 'g'.

Ah. :-)

Mystery solved! At first you said "I have an HP Laserjet M209dw ...",
so that's what I looked up. But now you said "HP laserjet M209dwe", with
an extra 'e' at the end, which is indeed a different model, and for
*that* model, the Product Specification [1] says:

"Connectivity, standard
Ethernet 10/100 Base-TX; Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

So indeed Ethernet and Wi-Fi, but no USB.

"Elementary, dear Watson!"

[1] 'HP LaserJet M209dwe Printer' <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207e-m212e-printer-series/model/36120176>

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 28 Nov 2024 20:22:54 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

BTW, The spell checker in Thunderbird seems to think that "ethernet"
should by "Ethernet".

I'm still trying to find out if it's the e in feed or the one in hen.

None of my friends use the word in conversation.

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On 11/29/2024 9:44 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-28 12:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-27 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or >>>>>> the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the >>>>>> wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Nono. This is not true.

I have an HP Laserjet M209dw and it has both WiFi and Ethernet. What it >>>> doesn't have is USB.

Are you sure about that? The Product Specification says:

The box clearly says "no usb", and the would be usb socket is filled up
with a lid of some kind.

Although the vendor said it has usb. Huh, it is a photo of text, I can
not paste it here.

By hand: refurb, laser printer, HP laserjet M209dwe, WiFi, USB,
Ethernet, Bluetooth, 6 months instant ink with HP+, double sided+

104.25?

So maybe there is a variant model with USB.

"Connectivity, standard
1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000TX network; 1 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 (device); >>> Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

Or is the USB only for pludding in a USB memory-stick, etc. (i.e. not >>> for connecting the printer to a computer)?

'HP LaserJet M209dw Printer'
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-m212-printer-series/model/30836593>

...

In my defense: On the keyboard, the 'd' is *somewhat* close to the 'g'. >>

Ah. :-)

Mystery solved! At first you said "I have an HP Laserjet M209dw ...",
so that's what I looked up. But now you said "HP laserjet M209dwe", with
an extra 'e' at the end, which is indeed a different model, and for
*that* model, the Product Specification [1] says:

"Connectivity, standard
Ethernet 10/100 Base-TX; Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

So indeed Ethernet and Wi-Fi, but no USB.

"Elementary, dear Watson!"

[1] 'HP LaserJet M209dwe Printer' <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207e-m212e-printer-series/model/36120176>

He could still hard connect the printer to his computer with the
Ethernet cable. Even if he does it ethernet from computer to router and
then ethernet from printer to routher.

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 23:42:54 -0500, Paul wrote:

[snip]

This model has two options. No Etherhet if the letter "e"
is not on the end of the model number. Has Ethernet if the letter "e" is
on the end of the model number.

The USB is always supposed to be there, except on Carlos printer where
the USB is missing and has a plastic fascia installed to cover the
"hole". The USB connector is not apparently a USB-B, it looks like a
"micro" version of some sort. That's what the picture in the find manual seems to show.

Probably. USB micro-B. There is such a hing as micro-A, but its not used
much.

BTW, micro-B is what used to be on phones (except iPhone) before they when
to C.

Paul

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On 2024-11-29 18:08, knuttle wrote:

On 11/29/2024 9:44 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

   Mystery solved! At first you said "I have an HP Laserjet M209dw ...", >> so that's what I looked up. But now you said "HP laserjet M209dwe", with
an extra 'e' at the end, which is indeed a different model, and for
*that* model, the Product Specification [1] says:

"Connectivity, standard
  Ethernet 10/100 Base-TX; Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

   So indeed Ethernet and Wi-Fi, but no USB.

   "Elementary, dear Watson!"

[1] 'HP LaserJet M209dwe Printer'
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207e-
m212e-printer-series/model/36120176>

He could still hard connect the printer to his computer with the
Ethernet cable.  Even if he does it ethernet from computer to router and then ethernet from printer to routher.

It works well on WiFi, and I save one cable.


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Cheers, Carlos.

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On 2024-11-29 15:44, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-28 12:23, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2024-11-27 17:45, Graham J wrote:

knuttle wrote:

[snip]

Have you tried to print with a hard wired connection ie through USB or >>>>>> the printer cable (if present).

If it prints directly it would possible isolate the problem to the >>>>>> wireless connection.

HP printers are known for being WiFi only.

Nono. This is not true.

I have an HP Laserjet M209dw and it has both WiFi and Ethernet. What it >>>> doesn't have is USB.

Are you sure about that? The Product Specification says:

The box clearly says "no usb", and the would be usb socket is filled up
with a lid of some kind.

Although the vendor said it has usb. Huh, it is a photo of text, I can
not paste it here.

By hand: refurb, laser printer, HP laserjet M209dwe, WiFi, USB,
Ethernet, Bluetooth, 6 months instant ink with HP+, double sided+

104.25?

So maybe there is a variant model with USB.

"Connectivity, standard
1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000TX network; 1 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 (device); >>> Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

Or is the USB only for pludding in a USB memory-stick, etc. (i.e. not >>> for connecting the printer to a computer)?

'HP LaserJet M209dw Printer'
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-m212-printer-series/model/30836593>

...

In my defense: On the keyboard, the 'd' is *somewhat* close to the 'g'. >>

Ah. :-)

Mystery solved! At first you said "I have an HP Laserjet M209dw ...",
so that's what I looked up. But now you said "HP laserjet M209dwe", with
an extra 'e' at the end, which is indeed a different model, and for
*that* model, the Product Specification [1] says:

Because I looked at a different place each time (the printer is not at
this location). First I look at the "HP Smart" app on the phone, and it
says "HP Laserjet M209dw". Then I look at the invoice in the email, and
it says "HP Laserjet M209dwe".

Each time I copy by hand. I can not look at the actual printer because
it is not in this house.

"Connectivity, standard
Ethernet 10/100 Base-TX; Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

So indeed Ethernet and Wi-Fi, but no USB.

"Elementary, dear Watson!"

[1] 'HP LaserJet M209dwe Printer' <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207e-m212e-printer-series/model/36120176>

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On 2024-11-29 16:08, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Thu, 11/28/2024 3:50 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote:

...

As I mentioned later (today), the M209dwe [2] does *not* have USB and that's what Carlos has (he first said M209dw, but later said M209dwe).

[1] 'HP LaserJet M209dw Printer' <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207-m212-printer-series/model/30836593>
"Connectivity, standard
1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000TX network; 1 Hi-Speed USB 2.0 (device);
Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

[2] 'HP LaserJet M209dwe Printer' <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-m207e-m212e-printer-series/model/36120176>
"Connectivity, standard
Ethernet 10/100 Base-TX; Wireless 802.11b/g/n, Dual band 2.4GHz/5GHz"

I thought there should be a variant model that has USB, because the
conector appears to be there, under some type of lid with a "no usb" label.

In my experience, I prefer networked printers to USB printers. Aside
from the obvious, that you can print from any computer in the house
(with usb maybe too, if that computer is running and is properly
configured). But network printers tend to be generally compatible with
Linux, while those on USB only, some times are not.

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On 2024-11-29 18:39, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

micky wrote on 11/28/24 11:40 PM:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 13:40:16 -0700,
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:


There were instructions in the owners manual, but they were going in the
other direction.   There were so many,sections win8, win7, OS X,

As noted before, ignore everything you read in the printer manual,
Wireless Setup Wizard, USB instructions, USB convert to Wifi, etc.

Disconnect the USB cable
Turn off the printer
Turn off Wifi-direct in printer settings(browser or printer control panel) Use the printer control panel to find the LAN and Wifi Mac Address

; write both of them down

In a printer like mine (M209dwe), there is no control panel and no
display. You configure the printer using the "HP Smart" phone app, which requires the WiFi to be configured and running. Possibly connecting an
ethernet cable from printer to router would work.

To find out the configuration details, there is a button labelled "i"
that prints an information page. It does include the IP address, but not
the MAC.

There is also a configuration web page on the printer. Possibly you can
write a fixed IP in there (I did not try).

To find the MAC, you have to use some network tool in your computer
(arp) or check the information on your router.

Decide your preferred connection LAN or Wifi(not Direct Wifi)
Open the router admin control panel and assign an ip address for the MAC addresss of your desired connection type) LAN or Wifi. Use the router settings to allow the assigned ip/MAC address.
Save the router settings
Uninstall all HP Printer software and any apps in Windows Programs-
Features or Windows settings.
Shutdown(not Restart) Windows to power off the device
Power on Windows
Download and install the HP printers Basic Driver
 - ignore any prompts that the printer is not found(it's still turned
off and no cable or Wifi connection)
Power off Windows
If LAN, connect a LAN cable to the router and the printer
 - If Wifi, no connection needed
Power on Windows
 - logon to Windows, Windows will find the printer via its router
assigned LAN or Wifi ip address.
Set the printer as the default printer, use the printer.

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