On Windows, I go on VPN and then on the Tor browser (yeah, I know, redundant) and then I go to https://thepiratebay.org to find something.
It doesn't matter what it is I find, but for a concrete example, let's say I search for The Anarchist Cookbook like this. https://thepiratebay.org/search.php?q=anarchist+cookbook
That brings up a bunch of versions for that specific title.
Let's say I choose to obtain the magnet for this version of that title. https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=74776443
The Anarchist Cookbook 2.0: The Bomb Recipes by Nicki Lynne EPUB
That magnet link is very long, so I'll put that link into the sig.
What I do with the magnet link is save it in a text file for a while.
For latency.
But how long do you wait?
How long of a latency do you think is a reasonable time delay?
Saving magnet links takes me under a second. Too quick to notice.
In terms of torrents, what are some good torrent sites that are still >working?
I use https://1337x.to/, but are there any other good ones I should know >about?
On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, Oliver wrote:
On Windows, I go on VPN and then on the Tor browser (yeah, I know, redundant)
and then I go to https://thepiratebay.org to find something.
It doesn't matter what it is I find, but for a concrete example, let's say I >> search for The Anarchist Cookbook like this.
https://thepiratebay.org/search.php?q=anarchist+cookbook
That brings up a bunch of versions for that specific title.
Let's say I choose to obtain the magnet for this version of that title.
https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=74776443
The Anarchist Cookbook 2.0: The Bomb Recipes by Nicki Lynne EPUB
That magnet link is very long, so I'll put that link into the sig.
What I do with the magnet link is save it in a text file for a while.
For latency.
But how long do you wait?
How long of a latency do you think is a reasonable time delay?
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 11:17:39 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
Saving magnet links takes me under a second. Too quick to notice.
In terms of torrents, what are some good torrent sites that are still
working?
I use https://1337x.to/, but are there any other good ones I should know
about?
For TV programs I use eztvx.to in addition to the two mentioned-1337 & piratebay.
On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, Oliver wrote:
On Windows, I go on VPN and then on the Tor browser (yeah, I know, redundant)
and then I go to https://thepiratebay.org to find something.
It doesn't matter what it is I find, but for a concrete example, let's say I
search for The Anarchist Cookbook like this.
https://thepiratebay.org/search.php?q=anarchist+cookbook
That brings up a bunch of versions for that specific title.
Let's say I choose to obtain the magnet for this version of that title.
https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=74776443
The Anarchist Cookbook 2.0: The Bomb Recipes by Nicki Lynne EPUB
That magnet link is very long, so I'll put that link into the sig.
What I do with the magnet link is save it in a text file for a while.
For latency.
But how long do you wait?
How long of a latency do you think is a reasonable time delay?
>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
Saving magnet links takes me under a second. Too quick to notice.
In terms of torrents, what are some good torrent sites that are still
working?
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 21:51:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote
Saving magnet links takes me under a second. Too quick to notice.
That's not what I had meant by latency.
Copying & pasting a magnet link takes milliseconds at most.
Then you wait.
And you wait.
And you wait some more.
That's called "latency".
You add random latency to the time BETWEEN when you grabbed the magnet.
And the time you employed that magnet link inside a bit torrent client.
Of course, you change your IP address between those two times also.
But if there's is a short latency, they can easily figure which was you.
You don't want them to figure out that it was the same person who grabbed
the magnet who then immediately started torrenting the media.
Latency puts distance (in time) between those two "related" events.
It's the whole point of latency in the first place.
In terms of torrents, what are some good torrent sites that are still
working?
https://thepiratebay.org has been working for me for twenty years or so. >https://libgen.rs/ has been working for books and epubs for a while too.
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 17:38:05 -0700, Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 21:51:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote
Saving magnet links takes me under a second. Too quick to notice.
That's not what I had meant by latency.
Copying & pasting a magnet link takes milliseconds at most.
Then you wait.
And you wait.
And you wait some more.
That's called "latency".
You add random latency to the time BETWEEN when you grabbed the magnet.
And the time you employed that magnet link inside a bit torrent client.
Of course, you change your IP address between those two times also.
But if there's is a short latency, they can easily figure which was you.
You don't want them to figure out that it was the same person who grabbed
the magnet who then immediately started torrenting the media.
Latency puts distance (in time) between those two "related" events.
It's the whole point of latency in the first place.
In terms of torrents, what are some good torrent sites that are still >>>>> working?
https://thepiratebay.org has been working for me for twenty years or so.
https://libgen.rs/ has been working for books and epubs for a while too.
https://libgen.rs/ returns a "server not found" error.
I've been using https://ebook-hunter.org/ and
https://www.ebookhunter.net/ for ebooks.
>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<
That's called "latency".
Nope. That's called a delay.
https://libgen.rs/ has been working for books and epubs for a while too.
https://libgen.rs/ returns a "server not found" error.
I've been using https://ebook-hunter.org/ and
https://www.ebookhunter.net/ for ebooks.
https://thepiratebay.org has been working for me for twenty years or so. >>> https://libgen.rs/ has been working for books and epubs for a while too.
https://libgen.rs/ returns a "server not found" error.
I think it is just some temporary problem. I've used it successfully in
the past.
My three go tos for books are annas archive, libgen and z-lib.
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 21:51:47 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote
Saving magnet links takes me under a second. Too quick to notice.
That's not what I had meant by latency.
Copying & pasting a magnet link takes milliseconds at most.
Then you wait.
And you wait.
And you wait some more.
That's called "latency".
You add random latency to the time BETWEEN when you grabbed the magnet.
And the time you employed that magnet link inside a bit torrent client.
Of course, you change your IP address between those two times also.
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 21:45:00 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote
https://thepiratebay.org has been working for me for twenty years or so. >>>> https://libgen.rs/ has been working for books and epubs for a while too. >>>https://libgen.rs/ returns a "server not found" error.
I think it is just some temporary problem. I've used it successfully in the >> past.
Agreed. Almost every darkweb site goes in and out over time, where I agree that libgen.rs is temporarily offline when tested with an onion browser
just now.
My three go tos for books are annas archive, libgen and z-lib.
Yes. I have the same experience as you do. I feel that Anna's Archive is
one of the most comprehensive epub archives if a bit tricky to navigate.
Others are https://www.base-search.net/, https://openlibrary.org/, https://www.tandfonline.com/, http://zlibrary.to/ and the onion site http://bookszlibb74ugqojhzhg2a63w5i2atv5bqarulgczawnbmsb6s6qead.onion/
But they come and go. And come back. And go again. It's a revolving door.
What do you do when it comes to setting the latency for magnet links?
That is, when you copy a magnet link, how much time do you let pass before you use that magnet link which you copied, pasted in a bittorrent client?
On Sun, 08 Dec 2024 09:26:04 -0600, jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com> wrote
https://libgen.rs/ has been working for books and epubs for a while too.
https://libgen.rs/ returns a "server not found" error.
Maybe take any onion browser and try these for finding epubs online? >https://library.lol/
https://libgen.is/
c
https://libgen.st/
https://z-lib.is/
I've been using https://ebook-hunter.org/ and
https://www.ebookhunter.net/ for ebooks.
Thanks for those two, both of which worked on an onion browser.
I'll add them to the reference list when needing ebooks.
The first is super slow on an onion browser. The second is faster.
Others exist, but Anna's Archive is definitely one of the best.
Still, the question about latency is still open and unanswered.
When you use magnets, how much time do you let pass between the copying of >the magnet (usually done with an onion browser) and the use of it?
That is, when you copy a magnet link, how much time do you let pass before >> you use that magnet link which you copied, pasted in a bittorrent client?
In my case, I click on a magnet link, it is opened in transmission on my computer, and it immediately starts downloading.
Of course, you change your IP address between those two times also.
Why though? Grab a magnet and download it using same IP.
Anna's Archive also is working.
When you use magnets, how much time do you let pass between the copying of >>the magnet (usually done with an onion browser) and the use of it?
I use a VPN when downloading. I assume that this negates the need for worrying about latency? I've never been bothered by the digital cops.
On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 10:23:41 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote
That is, when you copy a magnet link, how much time do you let pass before >>> you use that magnet link which you copied, pasted in a bittorrent client? >>In my case, I click on a magnet link, it is opened in transmission on my
computer, and it immediately starts downloading.
Thanks for answering the question as you're the first person to try.
It's good to know what other people do.
Of course, you're aware that if you obtain the magnet link via method 1 &
IP address 1 - then when you use that magnet link via method 2 & perhaps IP address 2, the lack of latency allows the powers that be to correlate it.
I get it if you're not worried about that correlation, which you must not
be, which is fine - as that's one of the outputs I was hoping to
understand.
My one question to you is "why not wait a few hours?" in so much as the longer you wait, the less they can correlate the two related events.
Note: I'm not chastising you. I'm just asking if you've considered the implications of adding latency or if you just don't care about the issue.
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 09:49:35 -0600, jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com> wrote
Anna's Archive also is working.
Thanks for confirming as it's one of the best out there for epubs. >https://annas-archive.org/
When I open the Tor browser, I have it set to read from this file list.
"https://librarygenesis.net/"
"https://librivox.org/"
"https://manybooks.net/"
"https://openaccessbutton.org/"
"https://openlibrary.org/"
"https://pdfget.com/"
"https://pdfgrab.com/"
"https://scholar.google.com/"
"https://sci-hub.ru/"
"https://unpaywall.org"
"https://www.academia.edu"
"https://www.base-search.net/"
"https://www.ebooks.com/en-us/free/" "https://www.feedbooks.com/catalog/public_domain" "https://www.free-ebooks.net/"
"https://www.freeengineeringbooks.com/"
"https://www.gutenberg.org/"
"https://www.readanybook.com/"
"https://www.researchgate.net/"
"https://www.science.gov/"
"https://www.tandfonline.com/"
"https://zlibrary.to/
When you use magnets, how much time do you let pass between the copying of >>>the magnet (usually done with an onion browser) and the use of it?
I use a VPN when downloading. I assume that this negates the need for
worrying about latency? I've never been bothered by the digital cops.
The main issue here is low-latency actions are more easily correlated.
There are two actions which can be correlated even when you use a VPN.
Action 1 is the action of obtaining the magnet link.
Action 2 is the action of using the magnet link.
I put a lot of time between those two actions.
In addition, I put an IP address change between those two actions.
But many people do not do both those steps (nor do they do either).
I was curious specifically what people do for latency between the two.
So far those who have responded haven't bothered to add latency.
And that's fine.
I just wanted to know what most people do so that I don't do that.
By adding latency, I don't show up easily as the same person between the >actions of action 1 and action 2 - which is why I decided to add latency.
But I do understand that most people would probably not bother waiting.
This is easy! I live in a jurisdiction where pirating content is not
illegal. It is illegal to spread content, making it available, but not to download it.
Since I have never been visited by the digital cops, I've always just
made sure that my VPN was running before downloading the actual
program. After reading what you have said about adding latency, I may
start waiting between getting the magnet and the program. Thanks.
On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:42:54 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote
This is easy! I live in a jurisdiction where pirating content is not
illegal. It is illegal to spread content, making it available, but not to
download it.
It's not so much pirating but just basic privacy.
What if you happen to be gay, for example, and you downloaded gay movies.
It's not illegal but you'd still want to have some anonymity when doing it.
Anyway, the question has been fleshed out that there is value to adding random latency between the act of obtaining a magnet & the act of using it.
The only question to be answered here is how much time most people wait.
What if you happen to be gay, for example, and you downloaded gay movies.
Ignoring the latent homophobia, what on earth is a "gay movie"!? I didn't realise that gay people had their own film catalogue. If I watch one does that make me gay?
It's not illegal but you'd still want to have some anonymity when doing it. >>
Anyway, the question has been fleshed out that there is value to adding
random latency between the act of obtaining a magnet & the act of using it.
No it hasn't. One person has maybe been persuaded by your paranoia around "them" spying on you based on no facts at all.
The only question to be answered here is how much time most people wait.
You mean how much time people are willing to "waste".
Everyone has acknowledged no negative repercussions to their current behaviour. There's no need to be act any different.
What if you happen to be gay, for example, and you downloaded gay movies.
In my part of the world, that's almost the default sexuality, so no one
would blink if someone was known to be gay.
In terms of privacy, GDPR
makes it very difficult to utilize IP-logs without evidence of a crime, so having companies or IP-lawyers just browsing the IP logs of ISP:s is a complete nonstarter and could at worst end up costing the ISP:s 4% of
their revenue, and various other fines and penalties.
It's not illegal but you'd still want to have some anonymity when doing it.
Anyway, the question has been fleshed out that there is value to adding
random latency between the act of obtaining a magnet & the act of using it. >>
The only question to be answered here is how much time most people wait.
In my case, what I am more worried about than someone snooping through the logs of my ISP is the increasing monitoring and surveillance of communication/chat and the ever increasing camera surveillance and the
crack down on opinions that are no in line with the goverment.
I do chat about sensitive topics on encrypted platforms, so there I do
take measures. I also keep a lot of sensitive discussions to in person, private meetings as well.
On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:40:55 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote
What if you happen to be gay, for example, and you downloaded gay movies. >>In my part of the world, that's almost the default sexuality, so no one
would blink if someone was known to be gay.
You're not supposed to argue the analogy in detail - it's just an example.
In terms of privacy, GDPR makes it very difficult to utilize IP-logs
without evidence of a crime, so having companies or IP-lawyers just
browsing the IP logs of ISP:s is a complete nonstarter and could at worst
end up costing the ISP:s 4% of their revenue, and various other fines and
penalties.
If you feel that nobody (not even Google) is tracking you, then you are
lucky in terms of where you live & how safe the government makes you feel.
I'm not feeling as safe from tracking of my daily activities as you are.
So I add latency between all my actions (where latency makes sense).
It's not illegal but you'd still want to have some anonymity when doing
it.
Anyway, the question has been fleshed out that there is value to adding
random latency between the act of obtaining a magnet & the act of using
it.
The only question to be answered here is how much time most people wait.
In my case, what I am more worried about than someone snooping through the >> logs of my ISP is the increasing monitoring and surveillance of
communication/chat and the ever increasing camera surveillance and the
crack down on opinions that are no in line with the goverment.
There are ways around that, one of which has been mentioned, which is to
use a VPN, but other options exist that can be used on top of the VPN.
Privacy-based proxy web browsers are probably the easiest way to do that.
I do chat about sensitive topics on encrypted platforms, so there I do take >> measures. I also keep a lot of sensitive discussions to in person, private >> meetings as well.
When chatting, latency can't easily be introduced, although the government has programs where they don't "chat" in real time - which employs latency.
The question always was never whether latency is good or bad (as it's very well known to add to your privacy). The question was only of how much.
I already picked apart the wikipedia article you provided in support of
your erroneous terminology.
This is good. To each his own, and horses for courses. Everyone lives in different countries with different pros and cons. If I would like in the
US, I would be more paranoid about torrenting than I am living in europe.
Privacy-based proxy web browsers are probably the easiest way to do that.
I think this is the most user friendly option for regular people who do
not have the state against them.
When chatting, latency can't easily be introduced, although the government >> has programs where they don't "chat" in real time - which employs latency.
Different threat model than torrents. This was to illustrate that for some uses I feel little need for privacy and for other uses I feel greater
needs of privacy. Different tools for different use cases.
Different threat model than torrents. This was to illustrate that for some >> uses I feel little need for privacy and for other uses I feel greater needs >> of privacy. Different tools for different use cases.
I agree fully that torrents are completely different than chats, where, for torrents, there is no risk at all in the USA of being convicted since it
has never happened.
But it's expensive to fight a court case, right?
And it could be embarrassing to even fight a court case, right?
So lots of people settle out of court.
But nobody in the USA has ever been convicted of torrenting (there was one set of cases which were overturned 'cuz the lawyers lied during the trial).
Since there has never been a successful prosecution of torrenting of mainstream movies in the United States, the actual risk is rather low.
But why bother being hauled off to court?
But nobody in the USA has ever been convicted of torrenting (there was one >> set of cases which were overturned 'cuz the lawyers lied during the trial).
Wow! Very interesting. I was not aware of that, so thank you for bringing it up.
I've seen the occasional post on torrentfreak and given the US legal culture I
was absolutely sure of it.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 10:59:07 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote
But nobody in the USA has ever been convicted of torrenting (there was one >>> set of cases which were overturned 'cuz the lawyers lied during the
trial).
Wow! Very interesting. I was not aware of that, so thank you for bringing
it up.
I've seen the occasional post on torrentfreak and given the US legal
culture I
was absolutely sure of it.
The reason is complex but it's simple also in that USA copyright law
requires something like half a dozen or more tenets to be satisfied, every single one of which *must* be satisfied in order to be considered infringement.
I'm no lawyer so don't bring this thread to your next deposition, but the
way I understand it is that the prosecution needs to prove you (and only
you - not someone in the house whom they don't know) *distributed* the
entire copyrighted movie, in its near entirety, to a person or persons.
There are plenty of other tenets which must be fulfilled, but that is the gotcha that explains why there has never been a successful USA case of copyright infringement via torrents (that was fought by the defendant).
I'm no lawyer so don't bring this thread to your next deposition, but the
way I understand it is that the prosecution needs to prove you (and only
you - not someone in the house whom they don't know) *distributed* the
entire copyrighted movie, in its near entirety, to a person or persons.
This is an interesting question, given that a lot of internet connections
are household connections. I assume that the legal eagles get past this by simply shifting liability to the owner of the internet connection in case
of trying to pin point exactly who it is in the household who committed
the crime. But if in the US, they need the specific person, I can see how this might make things a bit more complicated.
On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 13:12:01 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote
I'm no lawyer so don't bring this thread to your next deposition, but the >>> way I understand it is that the prosecution needs to prove you (and only >>> you - not someone in the house whom they don't know) *distributed* the
entire copyrighted movie, in its near entirety, to a person or persons.
This is an interesting question, given that a lot of internet connections
are household connections. I assume that the legal eagles get past this by >> simply shifting liability to the owner of the internet connection in case
of trying to pin point exactly who it is in the household who committed the >> crime. But if in the US, they need the specific person, I can see how this >> might make things a bit more complicated.
I've read a dozen or so USA legal cases over time on torrenting and *all*
of them require the person *distributing* the torrent to be identified.
Not the ISP. Not the person who pays the bill. Not the people in the house. Not the cat. Not some guy sitting in a car outside the house. Nobody else!
In the USA, copyright infringement of this type has to be proven beyond a doubt (by the judge or jury) to have been done by a specific named person.
This is exactly why the DMCA sends letters to the ISP who then forwards
those letters to the person paying the bill and leaves it at that.
It's up to the person paying the bill to act on those DMCA letters.
Or not.
Depending on the jurisdiction and type of infringement, there are up to
about a half dozen elements in the USA which *all must be proven* to
satisfy the claim on copyright infringement and identifying the person is
not even *one* of them because that's a right afforded to everyone on the
USA on all crimes.
https://fairuse.stanford.edu/law/us-code/u-s-copyright-act/copyright-infringement-and-remedies/
https://www.minclaw.com/elements-copyright-infringement/ https://www.fourriverslaw.com/blog/2024/elements-of-copyright-infringement/ https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/infringement_%28of_copyright%29
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