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From: Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.software.thunderbird
Subject: Spam
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 11:22:09 +0000
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I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' >problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
--
Jim the Geordie
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From: Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject: Gmail and batch posting? (may be OT)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2024 12:28:49 +0100
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I have a domain and a hosted website with email.
It is a Wordpress Starter account, so I don't pay a lot.
I am also the publicity guy for a music group and post a heads-up to
about 200 members once a month. (in batches of between 50 and 80)
addresses.
Recently I have found that my hosts have been blocking my outward mail,
they say, because the batches may be mistaken for commercial spam.
I understand what they say, but I don't want to pay 3x as much for a VPS >service which I only really need once a month.
The question:
If I get a new Gmail address is there a limit to how many addresses I
can post to at one time?
--
Jim the Geordie
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
On 13.12.24 12:22, Jim the Geordie wrote:
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known'
problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
btinternet.com on blacklists (again)?
https://mxtoolbox.com
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
I would expect a spam blocker to reject things coming from a Gmail
address.
On 13/12/2024 13:38, Graham J wrote:
I would expect a spam blocker to reject things coming from a Gmail
address.
Not really. spam filters would classify anything addressed as bcc. The
letter b is for bulk and so it must be a spam!! according to spam filters.
Rejection is not something happens. The email is entered in spam folder
or bulk folder depending on the server. I suspect the customers might
have configured to reject or delete all spam when arrive. The sender
can't do anything about this except tp send them as cc but this is also
a privacy issue.
You are right to suggest a domain but the OP needs to have a server
unless the registrar of the domain allows email for certain quota, which
is unlikely. Running a server is not easy because it still requires
somebody to allow relaying of the emails. His ISP perhaps or some free services such as Brevo (300 emails per day).
On 13/12/2024 13:38, Graham J wrote:
I would expect a spam blocker to reject things coming from a Gmail
address.
Not really. spam filters would classify anything addressed as bcc. The
letter b is for bulk and so it must be a spam!! according to spam filters.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:48:22 +0000, Bulk Emails <noreply@brevo.com>
wrote:
On 13/12/2024 13:38, Graham J wrote:
I would expect a spam blocker to reject things coming from a Gmail
address.
Not really. spam filters would classify anything addressed as bcc. The
letter b is for bulk and so it must be a spam!! according to spam filters.
The letter b is for blind, so that other recipients don't see who
received the copies.
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
I was advised that using bcc with one 'normal' address, e.g. my own was
a work-around, but clearly that did not apply to btinternet addresses
Not really. spam filters would classify anything addressed as bcc. The
letter b is for bulk and so it must be a spam!! according to spam filters.
On 13/12/2024 13:38, Graham J wrote:
I would expect a spam blocker to reject things coming from a Gmail
address.
Not really. spam filters would classify anything addressed as bcc. The
letter b is for bulk and so it must be a spam!! according to spam filters.
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
On 12/13/2024 3:22 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known'
problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
When I encounter this problem (it has been a few years), I contact my
E-mail host (Sunset.net) by phone and explain what is happening. They
are very willing to contact the ISP that is rejecting my messages to
work out a resolution that allows my messages to go through.
I also contact the intended recipients of my message via an alternative E-mail address of mine through a different host (Spectrum) and ask them
to complain to their ISP about missed messages.
Generally, the problem is resolved in a very few days.
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' >problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
In article <vjh5d2$1shv1$1@paganini.bofh.team>, jim@jimXscott.co.uk
says...
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known'
problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
Mail-Merge in Word is surprisingly easy (certainly the second time!).
If you have Word, open a blank document.
On the "Mailings" tab, in the "Start Mail Merge" group, click on the
"Start Mail Merge" button and select the "Step By Step Mail Merge
Wizard", which takes you through the steps. You'll need your contacts
in a table of some sort (or you can select from Outlook contacts).
Excel's handy for this, thought I tend to use Access.
Here's a tutorial from a particularly good presenter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XifMrBegS0
end them as cc but this is also
a privacy issue.
On 14.12.24 06:08, David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/13/2024 3:22 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc. >>>
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent >>> to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they >>> were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' >>> problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted
it in case.
When I encounter this problem (it has been a few years), I contact my
E-mail host (Sunset.net) by phone and explain what is happening. They
are very willing to contact the ISP that is rejecting my messages to
work out a resolution that allows my messages to go through.
I also contact the intended recipients of my message via an alternative
E-mail address of mine through a different host (Spectrum) and ask them
to complain to their ISP about missed messages.
Generally, the problem is resolved in a very few days.
This is maximum inefficieny and contradicts what e-mail should perform.
On 12/13/2024 11:58 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 14.12.24 06:08, David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/13/2024 3:22 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month >>>> to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them
down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc. >>>>
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent >>>> to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they >>>> were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since >>>> all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' >>>> problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted >>>> it in case.
When I encounter this problem (it has been a few years), I contact my
E-mail host (Sunset.net) by phone and explain what is happening. They
are very willing to contact the ISP that is rejecting my messages to
work out a resolution that allows my messages to go through.
I also contact the intended recipients of my message via an alternative
E-mail address of mine through a different host (Spectrum) and ask them
to complain to their ISP about missed messages.
Generally, the problem is resolved in a very few days.
This is maximum inefficieny and contradicts what e-mail should perform.
Since (1) the Sunset.net tech support is located here in the U.S. and
(2) the problem occurs quite rarely, I do not find it inefficient.
I do not understand why this "contradicts what e-mail should perform".
On 14.12.24 18:15, David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/13/2024 11:58 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 14.12.24 06:08, David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/13/2024 3:22 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a month >>>>> to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them >>>>> down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them as Bcc. >>>>>
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails sent >>>>> to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying that they >>>>> were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but since >>>>> all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a 'known' >>>>> problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have cross-posted >>>>> it in case.
When I encounter this problem (it has been a few years), I contact my
E-mail host (Sunset.net) by phone and explain what is happening. They >>>> are very willing to contact the ISP that is rejecting my messages to
work out a resolution that allows my messages to go through.
I also contact the intended recipients of my message via an alternative >>>> E-mail address of mine through a different host (Spectrum) and ask them >>>> to complain to their ISP about missed messages.
Generally, the problem is resolved in a very few days.
This is maximum inefficieny and contradicts what e-mail should perform.
Since (1) the Sunset.net tech support is located here in the U.S. and
(2) the problem occurs quite rarely, I do not find it inefficient.
I do not understand why this "contradicts what e-mail should perform".
Fast and reliable without proprietary crap in the process. Gone since
Google and Microsoft.
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 14.12.24 18:15, David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/13/2024 11:58 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 14.12.24 06:08, David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/13/2024 3:22 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a
month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them >>>>>> down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them
as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the emails >>>>>> sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying
that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but
since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a
'known'
problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have
cross-posted
it in case.
When I encounter this problem (it has been a few years), I contact my >>>>> E-mail host (Sunset.net) by phone and explain what is happening. They >>>>> are very willing to contact the ISP that is rejecting my messages to >>>>> work out a resolution that allows my messages to go through.
I also contact the intended recipients of my message via an
alternative
E-mail address of mine through a different host (Spectrum) and ask
them
to complain to their ISP about missed messages.
Generally, the problem is resolved in a very few days.
This is maximum inefficieny and contradicts what e-mail should perform. >>>>
Since (1) the Sunset.net tech support is located here in the U.S. and
(2) the problem occurs quite rarely, I do not find it inefficient.
I do not understand why this "contradicts what e-mail should perform".
Fast and reliable without proprietary crap in the process. Gone since
Google and Microsoft.
Well, we still have apple's mail. Slow as hell, but usually works, sortof.
On 14/12/2024 23:51, Hank Rogers wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
Fast and reliable without proprietary crap in the process. Gone since
Google and Microsoft.
Well, we still have apple's mail. Slow as hell, but usually works, sortof.
So where do we get this 'apple's mail' & is it only for Apple devices or
can anyone use it?
On 15.12.24 10:39, wasbit wrote:
On 14/12/2024 23:51, Hank Rogers wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:So where do we get this 'apple's mail' & is it only for Apple devices or
Fast and reliable without proprietary crap in the process. Gone since
Google and Microsoft.
Well, we still have apple's mail. Slow as hell, but usually works, sortof. >>
can anyone use it?
Nowhere. It does not exist.
On 14/12/2024 23:51, Hank Rogers wrote:
Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 14.12.24 18:15, David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/13/2024 11:58 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 14.12.24 06:08, David E. Ross wrote:
On 12/13/2024 3:22 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about once a >>>>>>> month
to about 150 people.
I had trouble with there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them >>>>>>> down to groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them >>>>>>> as Bcc.
It all seemed to be going well until this time when all the
emails sent
to btinternet.com addresses bounced-back with a message saying
that they
were classed as spam.
I suppose I could use mail merge (which I have never tried), but >>>>>>> since
all other addresses were received, I wondered whether this is a
'known'
problem, and is there a way round it?
I doubt whether this is a Thunderbird problem, but I have
cross-posted
it in case.
When I encounter this problem (it has been a few years), I contact my >>>>>> E-mail host (Sunset.net) by phone and explain what is happening.Â
They
are very willing to contact the ISP that is rejecting my messages to >>>>>> work out a resolution that allows my messages to go through.
I also contact the intended recipients of my message via an
alternative
E-mail address of mine through a different host (Spectrum) and ask >>>>>> them
to complain to their ISP about missed messages.
Generally, the problem is resolved in a very few days.
This is maximum inefficieny and contradicts what e-mail should
perform.
Since (1) the Sunset.net tech support is located here in the U.S. and
(2) the problem occurs quite rarely, I do not find it inefficient.
I do not understand why this "contradicts what e-mail should perform".
Fast and reliable without proprietary crap in the process. Gone since
Google and Microsoft.
Well, we still have apple's mail. Slow as hell, but usually works,
sortof.
So where do we get this 'apple's mail' & is it only for Apple devices or
can anyone use it?
On 14/12/2024 23:51, Hank Rogers wrote:
Well, we still have apple's mail. Slow as hell, but usually works, sortof.
So where do we get this 'apple's mail' & is it only for Apple devices or
can anyone use it?
wasbit wrote:
snip <
Well, we still have apple's mail. Slow as hell, but usually works,
sortof.
So where do we get this 'apple's mail' & is it only for Apple devices
or can anyone use it?
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mail/id1108187098
I think it only works on apple products.
When you send bulk e-mails, you need to use a bulk mailer to avoid
getting your same-content e-mails detected as spam -- because they are.
Bulk and spam are often equated to each other.
Not really. spam filters would classify anything addressed as bcc. The >>letter b is for bulk and so it must be a spam!! according to spam filters.
The letter b is for blind, so that other recipients don't see who
received the copies.
I am secretary of a music group and send out emails about
once a month to about 150 people. I had trouble with
there being too many at a time so I 1) broke them down to
groups of around 50 2) used a Gmail address 3) sent them
as Bcc.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 13:42:59 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
When you send bulk e-mails, you need to use a bulk mailer to avoid
getting your same-content e-mails detected as spam -- because they are. >>Bulk and spam are often equated to each other.
As stated in my previous posting, ...
... this is something I do 4 or 5 times
a year and while I haven't had any trouble either with Thunderbird or
my ISP (at least after their tech support person suggested doing it
the way I do now) I would be interested in know about an alternate
program.
I >don't< to this constantly (or my ISP would legitimately be going
postal on me) but do do these 4-5 times a year mostly to announce our
online business meetings.
If there's a more foolproof method I'm all ears.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:59:57 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
I am national secretary of a non profit that requires me to sendNot really. spam filters would classify anything addressed as
bcc. The letter b is for bulk and so it must be a spam!!
according to spam filters.
The letter b is for blind, so that other recipients don't see who
received the copies.
notice of online meetings and while my ISP won't allow me to send
e-mails to all 70 or so regional chairs has no problem with me
sending TO the national president and blind cc'ing to the other
69...
I am national secretary of a non profit that requires me to sendBack in about 2000, I had to send weekly notices to about 15-20 people
notice of online meetings and while my ISP won't allow me to send
e-mails to all 70 or so regional chairs has no problem with me
sending TO the national president and blind cc'ing to the other
69...
but my (then) ISP blocked any e-mails being sent to 10 or more addresses >..... however he did allow me to set up a Mailing List (containing all
the e-mail addresses) on his server .... so I'd send my e-mail to that >Mailing List and his server would then send individual e-mails to each >address on the list.
Maybe your e-mail provider offers a similar service. ;-)
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