Can someone help me understand what to do?
Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Can someone help me understand what to do?
Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC >https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-m >illion-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Can someone help me understand what to do?
Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Can someone help me understand what to do?
Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Can someone help me understand what to do?
Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Larry Wolff wrote:
Can someone help me understand what to do?
Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Just ignore all the bullshit youtubers who are claiming Microsoft has
changed their stance and now allow Win11 on older computers, they
haven't changed, you'll still be unsupported.
Larry Wolff wrote on 12/16/24 8:27 PM:
Can someone help me understand what to do?Ignore it.
Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Dorfman(the article author) is rarely worth reading, confusing, changing/digressing from the article subject.
You have three options for a Windows device.
1. Device(Win10) meets Windows 11 requirements upgrade to 24H2
2. Device does not meet requirements - stay with current os or replace
device with one that meets Win11 specs.
3. Device does not meet requirements, use 3rd party tools/methods to
bypass Win11 system requirements to install/activate Win11.
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:28:04 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in <vjsfrl$1rss4$1@dont-email.me>:
Larry Wolff wrote on 12/16/24 8:27 PM:
Can someone help me understand what to do?Ignore it.
Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Dorfman(the article author) is rarely worth reading, confusing,
changing/digressing from the article subject.
You have three options for a Windows device.
1. Device(Win10) meets Windows 11 requirements upgrade to 24H2
2. Device does not meet requirements - stay with current os or replace
device with one that meets Win11 specs.
3. Device does not meet requirements, use 3rd party tools/methods to
bypass Win11 system requirements to install/activate Win11.
4) Change OS's, and leave the Microsoft circus in the dust.
And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will Ubuntu-based distributions
Larry Wolff wrote on 12/16/24 8:27 PM:
Can someone help me understand what to do?Ignore it.
Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Dorfman(the article author) is rarely worth reading, confusing, changing/digressing from the article subject.
You have three options for a Windows device.
1. Device(Win10) meets Windows 11 requirements upgrade to 24H2
2. Device does not meet requirements - stay with current os or replace
device with one that meets Win11 specs.
3. Device does not meet requirements, use 3rd party tools/methods to
bypass Win11 system requirements to install/activate Win11.
On 12/17/2024 1:28 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
Larry Wolff wrote on 12/16/24 8:27 PM:
Can someone help me understand what to do?Ignore it.
Microsoft Warns 400 Million Windows Users - Do Not Update Your PC
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/12/14/microsoft-warns-400-million-windows-users-do-not-update-your-pc/
Dorfman(the article author) is rarely worth reading, confusing, changing/digressing from the article subject.
You have three options for a Windows device.
1. Device(Win10) meets Windows 11 requirements upgrade to 24H2
2. Device does not meet requirements - stay with current os or replace device with one that meets Win11 specs.
3. Device does not meet requirements, use 3rd party tools/methods to bypass Win11 system requirements to install/activate Win11.
So presumably all this diplomatic talk is basically saying that
Win11 can be installed, and may work fine, and may accept
updates, on a non-compatible device, but that MS explicitly
do not support that configuration... So don't come crying to
us if it doesn't work?
On 12/17/24 14:10, CrudeSausage wrote:
And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will
Ubuntu-based distributions
Ubooboo is not what it use to be. There are other
better distros now. Fedora for instance.
On 17/12/2024 22:26, T wrote:
On 12/17/24 14:10, CrudeSausage wrote:
And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will
Ubuntu-based distributions
Ubooboo is not what it use to be. There are other
better distros now. Fedora for instance.
When you say something is better, can you define what criteria you use
to come to this decision?
I always thought that Linux is Linux with a different lipstick to make
it look different.
stores cookie recipes
On 17/12/2024 22:26, T wrote:
On 12/17/24 14:10, CrudeSausage wrote:
And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will
Ubuntu-based distributions
Ubooboo is not what it use to be. There are other
better distros now. Fedora for instance.
When you say something is better, can you define what criteria you use
to come to this decision?
I always thought that Linux is Linux with a different lipstick to make
it look different.
Ubuntu is the product of Canonical. Canonical is not traded on
the stock market. It is a private firm, mostly funded from the
private fortune of Mark Shuttleworth.
Mark Shuttleworth wants to retire. He wants his money back.
He's poured a lot of money into that company.
He wanted to do an IPO (Initial Public Offering).
On 12/17/24 23:44, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-12-18 03:21, T wrote:
Check out Tiny-11. It is awesome and almost as
You forget to put a link to it.
Ooops!
And no spyware account either!
https://www.auslogics.com/en/articles/what-is-tiny11-install-tiny- windows-11-to-lightweight-your-os/
https://archive.org/details/tiny11-2311
https://archive.org/download/tiny11-2311
On 2024-12-18 03:21, T wrote:
Check out Tiny-11. It is awesome and almost as
You forget to put a link to it.
Check out Tiny-11. It is awesome and almost as
On Tue, 12/17/2024 7:47 PM, Undecided User wrote:
On 17/12/2024 22:26, T wrote:
On 12/17/24 14:10, CrudeSausage wrote:
And suddenly lose the ability to wake from sleep. I'm sure people will >>>> Ubuntu-based distributions
Ubooboo is not what it use to be. There are other
better distros now. Fedora for instance.
When you say something is better, can you define what criteria you use
to come to this decision?
I always thought that Linux is Linux with a different lipstick to make
it look different.
Ubuntu is the product of Canonical. Canonical is not traded on
the stock market. It is a private firm, mostly funded from the
private fortune of Mark Shuttleworth.
Mark Shuttleworth wants to retire. He wants his money back.
He's poured a lot of money into that company.
He wanted to do an IPO (Initial Public Offering). A couple
potential investors explained to him during this period, that
they were not currently interested in the company, but
if Mark did "this and that" to the company, they would be
interested. By doing an IPO and trading on the stock market,
Mark could at least extract his money, without making
a huge huge fortune while doing so. He might be able to
manage to recover what he has spent. Canonical is not
a "strong play". The investors will not be "flies on honey",
it will be a relatively quiet IPO.
He tries to emulate Red Hat a bit, in doing service
contracts for people. He promotes "Ubuntu Pro" by giving
that away to home users, in the hope of promoting it.
*******
One of the side effects of this "business chat" above, is
it has affected the desktop code, appearance and behavior.
The focus of the product, is no longer "the best possible
user experience". It's a product that promotes servicing
for a rental fee (maybe $100 a year, not really sure). As
users, we are all the time seeing things we would rather not
see ("SNAPS"). which is why, some OTHER distro, where the focus is
NOT the business chat above, is better suited to our needs.
For example, a 6GB DVD image, once the Ubuntu install finishes,
it has practically no utilities on board... because of the
huge space wasted by... SNAPS. The Gnome Desktop, to handcuff
the user, is a giant fucking SNAP.
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
I've had that happen a number of times. It's part of why I no longer
feel the need to waste my time with Linux.
On 12/18/24 05:42, CrudeSausage wrote:
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
I've had that happen a number of times. It's part of why I no longer
feel the need to waste my time with Linux.
This is a self inflicted wound. If you look for
bad spins, you will find them.
You need to user good distros. I have yet to find a spin
from Fedora that does not work.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins
T wrote:
On 12/18/24 05:42, CrudeSausage wrote:
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
I've had that happen a number of times. It's part of why I no longer
feel the need to waste my time with Linux.
This is a self inflicted wound. If you look for
bad spins, you will find them.
You need to user good distros. I have yet to find a spin
from Fedora that does not work.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins
Amen. Fedora is second only to red hat. They are the finest distros ever conceived!
On 12/18/24 05:42, CrudeSausage wrote:
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
I've had that happen a number of times. It's part of why I no longer
feel the need to waste my time with Linux.
This is a self inflicted wound. If you look for
bad spins, you will find them.
You need to user good distros. I have yet to find a spin
from Fedora that does not work.
On 12/18/2024 4:52 PM, T wrote:
On 12/18/24 05:42, CrudeSausage wrote:
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
I've had that happen a number of times. It's part of why I no longer feel the need to waste my time with Linux.
This is a self inflicted wound. If you look for
bad spins, you will find them.
You need to user good distros. I have yet to find a spin
from Fedora that does not work.
Fedora erased my boot manager without asking. I asked about
it in their Reddit group. I was told that it's supposed to do that
because "most people are confused by multi-booting".
I've had similar problems with other Linux versions. Suse broke
secure boot and I was lucky to get the system back at all. It
just left me with one line of text on a black screen that said
something like, "Something just went very wrong."
People need to understand that Linux is a car kit missing a few
parts. If you'd rather be installing a hood scoop that doesn't fit
than driving somewhere, then Linux is for you. You'll never
have to move your hot rod from the front lawn. If you're a Linux
expert setting up web servers, Linux is for you. If you want a
free code base to design a kiosk system, Linux is for you. If you
want a functional computer to do stuff? Not so much. If you're
completely incompetent then get a Mac. If you're a "power user"
then get Windows. Don't waste time with Linux.
On balance I think the way Mint does it (still shipping
with the older kernel) is better.
If your machine is relatively new, then Linux Mint 22 is a better fit.
There may still be some support items not working yet. My hardware monitor sensors, still cannot be read out on three boards. If a kernel claims
to be a HWE (hardware enablement kernel), that can provide better
support for bleeding edge hardware (your new NPU and machine learning
setup).
Those choices should come closer to a friendly environment.
On 12/19/2024 11:21 AM, Paul wrote:
   On balance I think the way Mint does it (still shipping
   with the older kernel) is better.
If your machine is relatively new, then Linux Mint 22 is a better fit.
There may still be some support items not working yet. My hardware
monitor
sensors, still cannot be read out on three boards. If a kernel claims
to be a HWE (hardware enablement kernel), that can provide better
support for bleeding edge hardware (your new NPU and machine learning
setup).
Those choices should come closer to a friendly environment.
   I tried Mint once. I didn't get past the kiddie folder icons.
I actually like Suse. It's very polished compared to most versions.
It also has a good software selection. Though the firewall I finally
got working, opensnitch, was only available through less direct
channels. The Suse packages are really just the basics.
  I think the "distro" wars misses the point. There's no magical
version that solves the Linux problem. They're all moving
targets, under construction, not well designed for Desktop.
People always say, "Oh, well, you must not have tried AceAndAcme
Linux. It's the cat's pajamas." No. None of them are the cat's pajamas.
  In more recent times, the half-baked geek versions have been
joined by solid versions "your gandmother could use". But that's
also not a solution. It's just two extremes. It's based on the typical
Linux devotee thinking that people are divided into hardcore geeks
and grandmothers. (Possibly those are the only people that these
geeks know.) The niche that Windows fills is the giant area in between --
a system with tremendous software options, great backward
compatibility, and supported levels of expertise, so that a non-geek
office worker or a "power user" can both get Windows to do what
they want. And what they want can be a great variety of things.
 Linux lacks the software. It lacks the power user level or even
the business level.
It lacks
backward compatibility.
I'm still writing software in VB6, which
came out 25 years ago, and my software runs on every Windows
computer. Macs typically support 2 years back. Linux... forget it.
It's far too complicated to even update a program except through
a package manager. The old version needed abc.dll v. 1.5.6.3243.17
and the new version refuses to run without v. 1.5.6.3243.18. Typically
there are 20 cases like that. Zero backward compatibility. There's
no need. Because no one is actually using this software for anything
except to upgrade the last version. It's all just a geek conversation.
 Anyone actually using Linux, who's not a computer scientist, is
probably just using Firefox and Libre Office. And Grandma doesn't
even need Libre Office. The whole paradigm is a mess.
 My favorite current example of this travesty is when I installedAll fantastic points. Your post should be saved forever as an
Xubuntu on my new computer, as part of a wide ranging experiment
last winter. It set up OK, though it was barebones and ugly. But there
was one detail: I couldn't set the clock and the displayed time was
wrong. I looked all over. There were options for display style and
such, but no option to just set the time. I searched online and finally
found a discussion with the man who had written the clock code. He
didn't include an option to set the time in the settings UI because he prefers command line! These people say these things proudly, with
no awareness of how bratty and dysfunctional they sound. "You
wanted a floor in your new addition? Personally I prefer unfinished
plywood subfloor, so that's what I did. Just don't walk around barefoot. Splinters. Oh, and the subfloor on the east side of the room is not
nailed down. That's handy to be able to reach the plumbing underneath
since
   I tried Mint once. I didn't get past the kiddie folder icons.
I actually like Suse. It's very polished compared to most versions.
It also has a good software selection. Though the firewall I finally
got working, opensnitch, was only available through less direct
channels. The Suse packages are really just the basics.
On 12/18/2024 4:52 PM, T wrote:
On 12/18/24 05:42, CrudeSausage wrote:
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
I've had that happen a number of times. It's part of why I no longer
feel the need to waste my time with Linux.
This is a self inflicted wound. If you look for
bad spins, you will find them.
You need to user good distros. I have yet to find a spin
from Fedora that does not work.
Fedora erased my boot manager without asking. I asked about
it in their Reddit group. I was told that it's supposed to do that
because "most people are confused by multi-booting".
I've had similar problems with other Linux versions. Suse broke
secure boot and I was lucky to get the system back at all. It
just left me with one line of text on a black screen that said
something like, "Something just went very wrong."
People need to understand that Linux is a car kit missing a few
parts. If you'd rather be installing a hood scoop that doesn't fit
than driving somewhere, then Linux is for you. You'll never
have to move your hot rod from the front lawn. If you're a Linux
expert setting up web servers, Linux is for you. If you want a
free code base to design a kiosk system, Linux is for you. If you
want a functional computer to do stuff? Not so much. If you're
completely incompetent then get a Mac. If you're a "power user"
then get Windows. Don't waste time with Linux.
On 2024-12-19 18:19, Newyana2 wrote:
I tried Mint once. I didn't get past the kiddie folder icons.
I actually like Suse. It's very polished compared to most versions.
It also has a good software selection. Though the firewall I finally
got working, opensnitch, was only available through less direct
channels. The Suse packages are really just the basics.
opensnitch is not the firewall in openSUSE.
Newyana2 wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:52 PM, T wrote:
On 12/18/24 05:42, CrudeSausage wrote:
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
I've had that happen a number of times. It's part of why I no longer
feel the need to waste my time with Linux.
This is a self inflicted wound. If you look for
bad spins, you will find them.
You need to user good distros. I have yet to find a spin
from Fedora that does not work.
Fedora erased my boot manager without asking. I asked about
it in their Reddit group. I was told that it's supposed to do that
because "most people are confused by multi-booting".
I've had similar problems with other Linux versions. Suse broke
secure boot and I was lucky to get the system back at all. It
just left me with one line of text on a black screen that said
something like, "Something just went very wrong."
People need to understand that Linux is a car kit missing a few
parts. If you'd rather be installing a hood scoop that doesn't fit
than driving somewhere, then Linux is for you. You'll never
have to move your hot rod from the front lawn. If you're a Linux
expert setting up web servers, Linux is for you. If you want a
free code base to design a kiosk system, Linux is for you. If you
want a functional computer to do stuff? Not so much. If you're
completely incompetent then get a Mac. If you're a "power user"
then get Windows. Don't waste time with Linux.
I tried linux about 25 years ago and found it worthless because it was
only the core of an operating system. Not even a "kit missing parts".
You'd have to be willing to spend the rest of your life making it usable.
A couple of years ago, I tried it again, thinking surely it must have
been finished by now. Happily, it has improved greatly. In fact, if you
are happy with using only the few programs that come with the "distro"
or those it supports for download, you can get by just fine. I tried
several of them, and none were finished, though much much better. At
least I didn't have to edit hundreds of tiny files to make it work with
every hardware item on a particular computer.
Linux is so much better than 25 years ago, but it's still not finished yet. If microsoft and apple had progressed at the same rate, it would be
another 10 years until we get MSDOS 6. We'd get an apple II about a year later.
Perhaps in the year 3000, it might be time for Linux 1.0 beta.
For now, Linux is best left to programmers,computer experts, and
religious cults.
On 12/19/2024 4:32 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
Newyana2 wrote:
On 12/18/2024 4:52 PM, T wrote:
On 12/18/24 05:42, CrudeSausage wrote:
Distros cover a vast spectrum. I tested one a couple months
ago, put it on a USB stick and it CRASHED on boot. That's
about as low as a distro can go :-/ You can't have a worse
launch than that. Normally that does not happen.
I've had that happen a number of times. It's part of why I no
longer feel the need to waste my time with Linux.
This is a self inflicted wound. If you look for
bad spins, you will find them.
You need to user good distros. I have yet to find a spin
from Fedora that does not work.
Fedora erased my boot manager without asking. I asked about
it in their Reddit group. I was told that it's supposed to do that
because "most people are confused by multi-booting".
I've had similar problems with other Linux versions. Suse broke
secure boot and I was lucky to get the system back at all. It
just left me with one line of text on a black screen that said
something like, "Something just went very wrong."
People need to understand that Linux is a car kit missing a few
parts. If you'd rather be installing a hood scoop that doesn't fit
than driving somewhere, then Linux is for you. You'll never
have to move your hot rod from the front lawn. If you're a Linux
expert setting up web servers, Linux is for you. If you want a
free code base to design a kiosk system, Linux is for you. If you
want a functional computer to do stuff? Not so much. If you're
completely incompetent then get a Mac. If you're a "power user"
then get Windows. Don't waste time with Linux.
I tried linux about 25 years ago and found it worthless because it was
only the core of an operating system. Not even a "kit missing parts".
You'd have to be willing to spend the rest of your life making it usable.
A couple of years ago, I tried it again, thinking surely it must have
been finished by now. Happily, it has improved greatly. In fact, if
you are happy with using only the few programs that come with the
"distro" or those it supports for download, you can get by just fine.
I tried several of them, and none were finished, though much much
better. At least I didn't have to edit hundreds of tiny files to make
it work with every hardware item on a particular computer.
Linux is so much better than 25 years ago, but it's still not finished
yet.
If microsoft and apple had progressed at the same rate, it would be
another 10 years until we get MSDOS 6. We'd get an apple II about a
year later.
Perhaps in the year 3000, it might be time for Linux 1.0 beta.
For now, Linux is best left to programmers,computer experts, and
religious cults.
I fully agree with everything you said. I started with RedHat 4 and
later
Mandrake. Interesting challenge, but not very useful. Every few
years I try it again.
On 12/19/2024 4:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-12-19 18:19, Newyana2 wrote:
    I tried Mint once. I didn't get past the kiddie folder icons.
I actually like Suse. It's very polished compared to most versions.
It also has a good software selection. Though the firewall I finally
got working, opensnitch, was only available through less direct
channels. The Suse packages are really just the basics.
opensnitch is not the firewall in openSUSE.
 It is in mine. As I said, it wasn't an option in the package
manager. I had to download an rpm and install it by hand...
which of course was a fiasco. But I finally got it working.
On 2024-12-20 02:05, Newyana2 wrote:
On 12/19/2024 4:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-12-19 18:19, Newyana2 wrote:
    I tried Mint once. I didn't get past the kiddie folder icons. >>>> I actually like Suse. It's very polished compared to most versions.
It also has a good software selection. Though the firewall I finally
got working, opensnitch, was only available through less direct
channels. The Suse packages are really just the basics.
opensnitch is not the firewall in openSUSE.
  It is in mine. As I said, it wasn't an option in the package
manager. I had to download an rpm and install it by hand...
which of course was a fiasco. But I finally got it working.
You are installing a non default, non recommended software, not distributed by openSUSE. The difficulties in its installation are caused by you.
It is in mine. As I said, it wasn't an option in the package
manager. I had to download an rpm and install it by hand...
which of course was a fiasco. But I finally got it working.
You are installing a non default, non recommended software, not
distributed by openSUSE. The difficulties in its installation are caused
by you.
If you figure out how to get other software installed then
you get a lot more options. In the case of opensnitch it wasn't
that I somehow "caused the difficulties". Rather, it was typical
Linux complications. The trick turned out to be that I had to
install it under root, but couldn't set it up under root. So I
installed it, then logged in as lackey user before actually running
the program. Once I did that it worked fine.... except that I
can't go online as root because opensnitch then won't work!
You can't make this stuff up. It's pure Three Stooges.
As it turns out, I haven't actually fired up Suse since I installed it
and set it up. Of course, there's no software that I want to use
on Suse, and despite being very slick for Linux, it's still a sickly
beast compared to Windows. I only sort of trust it in terms of
online security, and it's still not finished enough to completely
avoid command line. On top of that, WINE has actually got worse
since I last used it and much of my own software won't work at
all because I'm using self-subclassing windows and WINE is cutting
corners. They redirect specific API calls to alternative Linux
libraries rather than actually running the Windows code, so the
inline assembly used for the subclassing is missed completely and
the windows don't get initiated. Or maybe they're initiated but
not getting messages. Whatever it is, after 30-odd years of
development, WINE is still mostly useless and can't even handle
both 32 and 64 bit in one version. One has to choose one or the
other.
On Fri, 12/20/2024 9:14 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-12-20 02:05, Newyana2 wrote:
On 12/19/2024 4:12 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-12-19 18:19, Newyana2 wrote:
    I tried Mint once. I didn't get past the kiddie folder icons. >>>>> I actually like Suse. It's very polished compared to most versions.
It also has a good software selection. Though the firewall I finally >>>>> got working, opensnitch, was only available through less direct
channels. The Suse packages are really just the basics.
opensnitch is not the firewall in openSUSE.
  It is in mine. As I said, it wasn't an option in the package
manager. I had to download an rpm and install it by hand...
which of course was a fiasco. But I finally got it working.
You are installing a non default, non recommended software, not distributed by openSUSE. The difficulties in its installation are caused by you.
You are allowed to work outside the package management, in any distro.
But knowing this, you are also responsible for the dependency analysis,
and preparing the goods in such a way, they resist breakage. if you
do static builds, one bloated executable has virtually everything it
needs. For example, all the FFMPEG here, are static, and copying
ffmpeg.exe to my working folder, is all I need to carry around.
No bags of DLLs go with that one.
Why, you can do the same thing on Windows. How strange! I have a MinGW install and I compile software in there. And it works as long
as the dependencies are satisfied.
if I drag a Cygwin EXE into Windows, I am responsible for copying
anywhere from 2 to 12 DLLs into the destination folder. That then
makes the executable "independent" of the cygwin dir, and I can
(and have) deleted Cygwin and my executable still works. The executable
then is portable in a sense.
While not all these situations are exactly the same, they have
a lot of the same elements -- the user is ultimately responsible
for correctly interpreting "failures to run", no matter where
they happen.
Paul
On Fri, 12/20/2024 12:22 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
 If you figure out how to get other software installed then
you get a lot more options. In the case of opensnitch it wasn't
that I somehow "caused the difficulties". Rather, it was typical
Linux complications. The trick turned out to be that I had to
install it under root, but couldn't set it up under root. So I
installed it, then logged in as lackey user before actually running
the program. Once I did that it worked fine.... except that I
can't go online as root because opensnitch then won't work!
You can't make this stuff up. It's pure Three Stooges.
 As it turns out, I haven't actually fired up Suse since I installed it
and set it up. Of course, there's no software that I want to use
on Suse, and despite being very slick for Linux, it's still a sickly
beast compared to Windows. I only sort of trust it in terms of
online security, and it's still not finished enough to completely
avoid command line. On top of that, WINE has actually got worse
since I last used it and much of my own software won't work at
all because I'm using self-subclassing windows and WINE is cutting
corners. They redirect specific API calls to alternative Linux
libraries rather than actually running the Windows code, so the
inline assembly used for the subclassing is missed completely and
the windows don't get initiated. Or maybe they're initiated but
not getting messages. Whatever it is, after 30-odd years of
development, WINE is still mostly useless and can't even handle
both 32 and 64 bit in one version. One has to choose one or the
other.
Your first pattern, is a predictable one.
Only the administrator, can make changes to the software on the
machine. Whether we are talking about /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin,
or we are talking about Program Files. It requires some elevation,
to make changes to where programs are stored.
The principle of least-elevation applies here. You don't run
Firefox as the administrator, because that amplifies the reach
of an exploit, such as a specially formulated movie, stack-smashing
the movie playback process.
Windows does two things. It does not warn you about running
Firefox as Administrator. But it also changes the role of
Administrator slightly. it is the TrustedInstaller account
that has the "power". And that jog in security, helps compensate
for the belief among users that "administrator is God". It does
not seem to work that way. I would get complaints from people,
if they ran as Administrator and "I cannot do X and I cannot do Y:.
Correct. The Administrator is not a straight line to a power trip.
It's a bit of a crooked line. But who ever thought of that, is
a genius, for understanding enough about human nature, to
leave the Administrator account as a kind of "bait", a trap.
The Administrator account is disabled, so the people who like
the smell of Administration, will feel "successful" when they
liberate the account. Genius. Such an understanding of how
humans think.
*******
For your WINE problem, you could try a commercial PlayOnLinux
or one of the other commercial packages. These sometimes are
adjusted enough, so they can play Windows games in Linux, and
the users of such materials, seem to be happy enough to get
something to work.
It is unclear to me, exactly how Linux distros view WINE. Linux
software has classifications, one might be "tainted", things
which are not open-source get a lower rating. I notice that
the distros, don't exactly bust a gut properly configuring
WINE, and users frequently suggest using a PPA and connecting
directly to the WINE project. Maybe the distro WINE is a half-hearted
effort. They know the package tree is popular with a portion
of the user base. But on the other hand, the legal status
of the software may be preventing them from doing a good job
of setting it up. For example, you need to enable multi-lib,
before the repository structure starts to make sense. It may look
like the repository supports both x86 and x64 executables in
WINE, but without multilib being enabled, you may find that
a number of things aren't working right, between 64 bit things
and 32 bit things.
Some other setup, may give a more representative demo of how
much progress WINE has made. I'm not a big WINE user, because
I have enough trouble figuring out whether I'm supposed to do
something "Mono", or I'm supposed to install Microsoft .net modules. WineTweaks, the list in there, shows the depth of the things
you have to understand about WINE, and you can easily do something
to screw up your WINE setup. It's a topic where a backup is
suggested, and it may take multiple tries installing things,
before you get something to actually work properly.
Paul
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 05:45:10 +0000, OLIVER wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH WINDOWS?
Take a deep breath, and read the thread from the beginning.
Not the first time Win 11 got a bad update.... I am still on Win 10.
Are Micro$oft programmers losing their grip on their own work? :)
Newyana2 wrote on 12/20/24 10:22 AM:
. except that I
can't go online as root because opensnitch then won't work!Most Linux distros are based on three main families - Debian(Larry), Red Hat(Curley), and SUSE(Moe).
You can't make this stuff up. It's pure Three Stooges.
If you stretch the familial naming to popular used distros - six immediately come to mind - Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, Mint, Arch, Kali...Larry, Curly, Moe, Shemp, Joe, Curly Joe!
The reason we use the popular tree structures at the top,
is you could go into a bar and ask "does anyone know how
to install a .deb?" and you'd get an answer.
On 12/22/2024 4:44 AM, Paul wrote:
The reason we use the popular tree structures at the top,
is you could go into a bar and ask "does anyone know how
to install a .deb?" and you'd get an answer.
  Even I know that: Marry her and buy her a house. But try
going into a bar and asking about Linux.
Le 2024-12-22 à 08:16, Newyana2 a écrit :
On 12/22/2024 4:44 AM, Paul wrote:
The reason we use the popular tree structures at the top,
is you could go into a bar and ask "does anyone know how
to install a .deb?" and you'd get an answer.
   Even I know that: Marry her and buy her a house. But try
going into a bar and asking about Linux.
Why would you go to a _bar_ to ask about Linux? The only people who know about it are either in the basements of their homes or in an asylum.
Why would you go to a _bar_ to ask about Linux? The only people who know about it are either in the basements of their homes or in an asylum.
On 21/12/2024 9:18 pm, Newyana2 wrote:
How do they break control panel applets with a failed security
update? Beats me. My limited experience with Win10/11 has shown
me that it's a wildly bloated and brittle system, and if you want
updates to work properly then it's best if you let Microsoft have
their way with you. The updates don't seem to like tweaks. In fact,
when I set up this current computer I couldn't even get it to
validate the license until I re-installed fresh and did that step
*before* any tweaks.
The new generation programmers in Micro$oft is/was trying to replace the
old Win 7 era Control Panel with the new fancy UI (Settings) in Win 10. :)
microsoft kill control panel - Google Search https://www.google.com/search?q=microsoft+kill+control+panel
On 24/12/2024 12:20 am, Newyana2 wrote:
   Yes. I understand that. It's a bit of a mess. But I'm talking
about basic applets like Personalization or System simply not
opening after a failed update. That's some serious breakage,
considering that the update didn't even install! (To this day
my Internet Options applet still doesn't work. I have to change
IE settings directly through the Registry.)
Without looking at the source codes of those applets, it's hard to tell what exactly triggered the problem.... ;)
On 12/22/24 05:39, CrudeSausage wrote:
Why would you go to a _bar_ to ask about Linux? The only people who
know about it are either in the basements of their homes or in an asylum.
I am sitting in from of a Fedora computer in my home office. And
I know a lot about both Linux and Windows.
By chance are you suffering from "Linux Derangement Syndrome?"
One of the known issue(reported by multiple Enterprise system admin to
MSFT but without a MSFT solution beyond use the Settings route) for the Control Panel Internet Options not loading or not retaining settings is
the tweak/hack of Edge(removal via App settings, registry hack, package removal tools manual or 3rd party).
Even though the CP Internet Options is a carryover from IE(even though deprecated) it, and has for some time, relies on Edge code including
pieces of IE Explorer Mode.
Le 2024-12-22 à 20:49, T a écrit :
On 12/22/24 05:39, CrudeSausage wrote:
Why would you go to a _bar_ to ask about Linux? The only people who
know about it are either in the basements of their homes or in an
asylum.
I am sitting in from of a Fedora computer in my home office. And
I know a lot about both Linux and Windows.
By chance are you suffering from "Linux Derangement Syndrome?"
I like to describe myself as a disgruntled Linux advocate. I love the
concept behind it and even financing some of the project but am always disappointed by what I get when I install and use it.
On 12/23/24 11:06, CrudeSausage wrote:
Le 2024-12-22 à 20:49, T a écrit :
On 12/22/24 05:39, CrudeSausage wrote:
Why would you go to a _bar_ to ask about Linux? The only people who
know about it are either in the basements of their homes or in an
asylum.
I am sitting in from of a Fedora computer in my home office. And
I know a lot about both Linux and Windows.
By chance are you suffering from "Linux Derangement Syndrome?"
I like to describe myself as a disgruntled Linux advocate. I love the
concept behind it and even financing some of the project but am always
disappointed by what I get when I install and use it.
It is whatever meets your needs. From what I have read that
you have written, I think you'd be best served by Windows.
Have y looked at Tiny-11?
Have y looked at Tiny-11?
Blashemy!
Can someone help me understand what to do?
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