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    From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to newyana@invalid.nospam on Sun Dec 22 15:16:10 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    On 12/21/2024 4:31 PM, T wrote:

    Don't criticize, Windows or Linux, if you are not willing
    the learn the different cultures.

    I'm perfectly happy to criticize both where it's relevant.
    This isn't your girlfriend. It's software. One of the nicest
    things about Windows is that it's the only OS that's not
    also a religion.

    Indeed, most of us are not religious about Windows. But you consider
    every Linux user to be a zealot, and if they dare to correct/criticize
    you, you blame it on their zealotry, even if they are clearly right and
    you are clearly wrong.

    Your uncalled for snides towards Carlos are a clear example, showing
    that you have no idea about who you're talking to or about.

    You have an unfounded anti-Linux bias. Period.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to newyana@invalid.nospam on Sun Dec 22 15:35:42 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    [...]

    You show off your Mac. They even puut the logo upside down so
    that it looks right-side-up when someone walks by at Starbucks.

    HP laptops also have the 'hp' logo upside down. That's why you see so
    many of them as well! :-)

    BTW, what is 'Dell'!? :-)

    And Compaq has been dead since 2013 or 2018, depending on one's view. (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq#Post-merger>)

    [...]

    That's why people like Carlos get defensive and complain that
    people don't understand Linux or don't give it a fair chance.

    FTR, *Carlos* didn't "get defensive", he dared to correct you and 'so'
    *you* got defensive and, worse, offensive, and still are.

    And FTR, AFAIK, Carlos never said that you don't give Linux a fair
    chance. But that's just another example of you misrepresenting people's position/thinking.

    [...]

    [Usual whining about WINE deleted. Earth to Newyana2: Just don't *use* it!]

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Dec 23 03:24:32 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 2024-12-22 16:35, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    [...]

    You show off your Mac. They even puut the logo upside down so
    that it looks right-side-up when someone walks by at Starbucks.

    HP laptops also have the 'hp' logo upside down. That's why you see so
    many of them as well! :-)

    BTW, what is 'Dell'!? :-)

    And Compaq has been dead since 2013 or 2018, depending on one's view. (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq#Post-merger>)

    [...]

    That's why people like Carlos get defensive and complain that
    people don't understand Linux or don't give it a fair chance.

    FTR, *Carlos* didn't "get defensive", he dared to correct you and 'so' *you* got defensive and, worse, offensive, and still are.

    And FTR, AFAIK, Carlos never said that you don't give Linux a fair
    chance. But that's just another example of you misrepresenting people's position/thinking.

    [...]

    [Usual whining about WINE deleted. Earth to Newyana2: Just don't *use* it!]

    Thank you.

    I never try to convince people to switch to Linux. But if someone tries,
    he has to have the right attitude or he will never succeed. Linux is not Windows. It is different, it works different, and doesn't try to be equal.

    I don't care about the so called success of Linux on the desktop. But I
    have been using full time Linux on the desktop for twenty years. It
    works. I also use Windows. I was an MsDos/Windows programmer, I knew the
    system internals very well. I have training as a Windows IT. I still
    maintain Windows systems for other people.

    I have seen people that know very little about computers use a Linux
    desktop without being told it is not Windows and not even noticing. It
    just works if somebody else does the setup and maintenance.

    In my experience, people see Windows as easy and Linux as difficult
    simply because they were born on Windows. They see Windows as natural,
    and they can ask anybody for help. Anybody knows it. But if you do the
    effort to learn, you notice that Linux is actually easier than Windows.

    Windows rules the desktop, but the Internet runs on Linux servers. Many machines internally are running Linux inside.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sun Dec 22 21:53:16 2024
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 12/22/24 18:24, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    hank you.

    I never try to convince people to switch to Linux. But if someone tries,
    he has to have the right attitude or he will never succeed. Linux is not Windows. It is different, it works different, and doesn't try to be equal.

    I don't care about the so called success of Linux on the desktop. But I
    have been using full time Linux on the desktop for twenty years. It
    works. I also use Windows. I was an MsDos/Windows programmer, I knew the system internals very well. I have training as a Windows IT. I still
    maintain Windows systems for other people.

    I have seen people that know very little about computers use a Linux
    desktop without being told it is not Windows and not even noticing. It
    just works if somebody else does the setup and maintenance.

    99.99% of my customers do not even know what OS they are running.
    They only care if their stuff runs on it.

    In my experience, people see Windows as easy and Linux as difficult
    simply because they were born on Windows. They see Windows as natural,
    and they can ask anybody for help. Anybody knows it. But if you do the
    effort to learn, you notice that Linux is actually easier than Windows.

    Well stated. They learned one thing and balk at learning something new.
    I see this in the office suites all the time. M$O or die. I had
    one lady that went out and bought her own copy of M$O as she hated Open
    Office so much. The company owner had standardize on only office.
    It was different and she could not learn anything new.


    Windows rules the desktop, but the Internet runs on Linux servers. Many machines internally are running Linux inside.

    1+

    The internet and most enterprises.

    I would add the Android is Linux and Linux now dominates the OS
    market. It is lagging on the desktop though.

    I setup low skill Linux uses up with MATE. It is boiler plate
    stable and mind numbingly easy to operate. I also
    set up a lot of low skill Windows users too. Windows
    is by no means intuitive out the box especially since
    they keep changing the desktop between versions. (Open Shell
    fixes that nonsense.)

    I wish Wine worked a lot better, but it is unfortunately
    the downside of the open source marketing model. Give the
    code away for free and charge for maintenance. Individuals
    and small business can not afford to put Wine's programmers
    on their payroll. I do suffer with it though. They
    do fix the numerous bugs I report, but it takes years.

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