Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> Wrote in message:
On 21.12.24 12:18, Dave Royal wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> Wrote in message:
B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles >>>>>>>> about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering >>>>>>>> why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
No. All you see are photos and videos from the camera.
https://discussions.apple.com/welcome
So you don't need to go there.
Apple likes their walled garden. The article below mentions iTunes. >>>>> The OP didn't mention his PC's OS. iTunes runs on Windows. Maybe runs >>>>> under WINE on Linux. By its name, not sure if it only allows access to >>>>> media folders, or to all folders. Never bothered with anything Apple. >>>>>
https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/transfer-files-between-devices-iphf2d851b9/ios
Well, iOS is clearly off-topic as VanguardLH's first answer hints.
So I'll just say, as someone who uses an Android tablet, an
iPhone, Linux and Windows PCs (though not a Mac) that the iOS is
the most difficult to get stuff into and out off and and between
apps - by design - especially if you don't want to use a cloud
service such as Dropbox. I often use FTP.
Total nonsense. No reasonable person would do this. You can try but it
is only for people with a lot of spare time.
You're right: normal iPhone users would not do it. I mentioned it
because it's the nearest equivalent to transferring (non-camera)
files from an Android to a PC via USB. And I only do it to get
certain files onto or off my iPhone without using a cloud service
- iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Using a cloud service is the easy way to
do it.
Several iOS apps have FTP functions built it, such as my media
player, foobar2000.
So, you can not simply connect an USB cable to phone and computer and
the explorer pops up and handle the copy of any file in any direction?
How weird.
I've been backing up iPads to Windows PCs for years, using iTunes.
The program is heavy and cluttered, but it does work and it gives me
access to all the books, pictures, videos etc. on the Pad.
I tried out a few other apps, such as iBrowse, but they promised more
than they delivered. And then I found out that they simply browsed the Windows files created by iTunes. Sneaky devils!
Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware. <https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-
bloat/>
Andrew wrote:Arlen (Andrew) isn't much interested in facts.
Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
<https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-
bloat/>
Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10.
I'm on 12 +++
On 2024-12-21 10:37, Ed Cryer wrote:
Andrew wrote:Arlen (Andrew) isn't much interested in facts.
Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
<https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-
bloat/>
Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10.
I'm on 12 +++
I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
iPhones don't have a filesystem.
Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
The way iOS works is it's very app-centric. Apps own their own buckets of data which only they can see. The way to move things between apps is the 'Share' function, rather than app B opening a file saved by app A.
Of course files do exist outside the iOS world, so places like Photos, Videos, Music and Downloads have some kind of specialness in that apps can ask to open files from there (not generically - a photo app can't see
Music). But apps can't open files from other random places, and especially not files in the buckets belonging to other apps.
Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10.
I'm on 12 +++
Ed Cryer wrote on Sat, 21 Dec 2024 18:37:29 +0000 :
Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to 10.
I'm on 12 +++
Your argument against iTunes bloatware that it's "old" bloatware is absurd. Apple hasn't updated iTunes in years - yet you're still using it today.
If you're using iTunes on Windows (which even Apple has deprecated on Apple devices), it's still bloatware whether or not it's "old" or new bloatware. Historically, the canonical example of unneccessary bloat was 'iTunes'.
It literally subtracts functionality (see the images proving that fact).
Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-21 10:37, Ed Cryer wrote:
Andrew wrote:Arlen (Andrew) isn't much interested in facts.
Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
<https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra- bloat/>
Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to
10. I'm on 12 +++
Arlen, Arlen, Arlen.
WhoTF is this ghost who wanders the corridors of these newsgroups like Hamlet's father around the walls of Elsinore castle?
It used to be trolls; anyone either rather aggressive or possessed of an intellect that could enquire beyond the superficial ordinariness of
life. But now it's Arlen.
Ed
Theo wrote on 21 Dec 2024 12:52:51 +0000 (GMT) :
I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port,
do I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
iPhones don't have a filesystem.
Well, of course they do, but they really don't want you to see it.
The way iOS works is it's very app-centric. Apps own their own
buckets of
data which only they can see. The way to move things between apps is the >> 'Share' function, rather than app B opening a file saved by app A.
Of course files do exist outside the iOS world, so places like Photos,
Videos, Music and Downloads have some kind of specialness in that apps
can
ask to open files from there (not generically - a photo app can't see
Music). But apps can't open files from other random places, and
especially
not files in the buckets belonging to other apps.
Has anyone here ever *seen* the iOS DCIM file system organization?
        *If not, you're in for a big surprise!*
Files all over the place, in almost randomly named folders (such as
_201901) with randomly named image file names (such as IMG1234.JPG). <https://i.postimg.cc/PJ4hWyS0/Apple-Iphone.jpg>
No other operating system refuses to allow you to name your image files.
Just Apple.
Meanwhile, every other operating system (except Apple's) allows the user to define how they want photo images to be named (using a sensible convention) <https://i.postimg.cc/zfgrt8dC/Samsung.jpg>
Some day Apple will care about the consumer. But that day hasn't arrived
yet.
Ed Cryer wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-21 10:37, Ed Cryer wrote:
Andrew wrote:Arlen (Andrew) isn't much interested in facts.
Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware.
<https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra- bloat/>
Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to
10. I'm on 12 +++
Arlen, Arlen, Arlen.
WhoTF is this ghost who wanders the corridors of these newsgroups like
Hamlet's father around the walls of Elsinore castle?
It used to be trolls; anyone either rather aggressive or possessed of an
intellect that could enquire beyond the superficial ordinariness of
life. But now it's Arlen.
Ed
Arlen is famous. And he's everywhere. And apparently he is multiple
people, like some of the Hindu gods.
Hank Rogers wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2024-12-21 10:37, Ed Cryer wrote:
Andrew wrote:Arlen (Andrew) isn't much interested in facts.
Of course, with effort, you can remove most of the Apple bloatware. >>>>>> <https://www.howtogeek.com/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra- >>>>>> bloat/>
Good Lord, pal; that article is from 2010, moving from Itunes 9 to
10. I'm on 12 +++
Arlen, Arlen, Arlen.
WhoTF is this ghost who wanders the corridors of these newsgroups
like Hamlet's father around the walls of Elsinore castle?
It used to be trolls; anyone either rather aggressive or possessed of
an intellect that could enquire beyond the superficial ordinariness
of life. But now it's Arlen.
Ed
Arlen is famous. And he's everywhere. And apparently he is multiple
people, like some of the Hindu gods.
Is that you Arlen?
Apple's latest update to iTunes for Windows was released on exactly two months ago today:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_iTunes#iTunes_12>
"12.13.4.4"
Alan wrote:
Apple's latest update to iTunes for Windows was released on exactly two months ago today:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_iTunes#iTunes_12>
"12.13.4.4"
Quite so. And notice how large it is; 38MB.
Ed
It's like going to the zoo and discovering
they have animals in there
B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
Good day.
I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port, do
I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
Others have already answered your specific questions.
As to "I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone": As you're a Windows user ('PC' != Windows), I would advise against buying/using an iPhone.
The Android-Windows integration is not great, but there is - as you
have found - some. For iPhone-Windows, there's hardly anything, except
for the iTunes abomination.
Granted, the Windows 'Phone Link' app apparently supports Android smartphones and iPhones. But with the iPhones being 'closed' and the
Android smartphones being (more) 'open', I think with an iPhone you'll
be in for a disappointment.
OTOH, if you intend to use the iPhone mostly by itself and hardly need
to exchange anything (other than photos from its camera) with your
Windows system, by all means go for it.
FWIW, I've been confronted with the iPhone-Windows limitations. OTOH,
some of my loved ones are an all-Apple houshold and they are very, very pleased with it, including the *HP* :-) printer.
Frank Slootweg wrote on 22 Dec 2024 20:19:19 GMT :
B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com> wrote:
Good day.
I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone, and I see articles
about apps that let ppl share files with their PCs, and I'm wondering
why is there such an app? If I plug an iPhone into my PC's USB port,
do I not get access to the iPhone's filesysten?
 Others have already answered your specific questions.
 As to "I'm an Android user thinking of getting an iPhone": As you're a
Windows user ('PC' != Windows), I would advise against buying/using an
iPhone.
 The Android-Windows integration is not great, but there is - as you
have found - some. For iPhone-Windows, there's hardly anything, except
for the iTunes abomination.
 Granted, the Windows 'Phone Link' app apparently supports Android
smartphones and iPhones. But with the iPhones being 'closed' and the
Android smartphones being (more) 'open', I think with an iPhone you'll
be in for a disappointment.
 OTOH, if you intend to use the iPhone mostly by itself and hardly need
to exchange anything (other than photos from its camera) with your
Windows system, by all means go for it.
 FWIW, I've been confronted with the iPhone-Windows limitations. OTOH,
some of my loved ones are an all-Apple houshold and they are very, very
pleased with it, including the *HP* :-) printer.
Given Apple's strategy is to hinder interoperability with other systems...
I must echo Frank's sentiment that the only people who are on Windows
already switching from Android to iOS, are those who are going to be sorry.
There are reasons why Apple's products are created as dumb terminals.
Apple's ecosystem is designed to make things only work in their ecosystem.
As a result, nothing in Apple's ecosystem actually works in the real world.
Paul wrote on Sun, 22 Dec 2024 17:07:49 -0500 :
It's like going to the zoo and discovering
they have animals in there
Given Apple has not only the absolute worst bugfix support in the industry (which is why iOS is the most exploited mobile phone in history!)... <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
Unfortunately, the Apple iTunes bloatware abomination on Windows is even worse than anyone can imagine...
Not so much for its unnecessary forced bloat (such as those Paul already noted) nor for Apple's incessant huge rampant security holes...
But also because when you install Apple iTunes on Windows, you actually *lose* functionality!
For example:
1. This is the version of SharePod that I used on Windows 10:
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod001.jpg>
2. The SharePod interface gives you unrestricted access to MP3 files:
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod002.jpg>
3. Here we batch copy (& rename) files from iPod to Windows 10:
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod003.jpg>
4. Resulting in an organized archive of all files on any number of iPods:
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod004.jpg>
5. Populate the iPod by syncing with any number of Windows MP3 files:
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod005.jpg>
6. If desired, the ID3 tags can all be batch organized to your liking:
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod006.jpg>
7. With the result that you have unrestricted access to your iPod:
 <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod007.jpg>
However... the very instant you install Apple's iTunes abomination... *EVERYTHING above STOPS WORKING!* (iTunes removes the functionality!)
Just like Apple removed the aux jack so that you'd have to scramble to
figure out a way to purchase it back - iTunes *removes functionality* too!
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> itunes removes functionality
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