• Re: Trash Folders

    From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Wed Dec 25 11:49:38 2024
    Ed Cryer wrote:
    Whenever I run "Compact Folders" on my IMAP accounts, I get the
    following message;
    "The folder Trash could not be compacted because writing to the folder failed. Verify that you have enough disk space, and that you have write privileges to the file system, then try again."
    The Trash folders, however, always empty with "Empty Trash".

    Merry Christmas to all.

    Ed

    This is on Betterbird, my regular mail program.

    Ed

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 25 11:43:30 2024
    Whenever I run "Compact Folders" on my IMAP accounts, I get the
    following message;
    "The folder Trash could not be compacted because writing to the folder
    failed. Verify that you have enough disk space, and that you have write privileges to the file system, then try again."
    The Trash folders, however, always empty with "Empty Trash".

    Merry Christmas to all.

    Ed

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Wed Dec 25 12:40:13 2024
    On 25/12/2024 11:49, Ed Cryer wrote:
    Ed Cryer wrote:
    Whenever I run "Compact Folders" on my IMAP accounts, I get the
    following message;
    "The folder Trash could not be compacted because writing to the folder
    failed. Verify that you have enough disk space, and that you have
    write privileges to the file system, then try again."
    The Trash folders, however, always empty with "Empty Trash".

    Merry Christmas to all.

    Ed

    This is on Betterbird, my regular mail program.

    Ed

    It does the same for me on Thunderbird

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Wed Dec 25 08:35:40 2024
    On Wed, 12/25/2024 6:49 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    Ed Cryer wrote:
    Whenever I run "Compact Folders" on my IMAP accounts, I get the following message;
    "The folder Trash could not be compacted because writing to the folder failed. Verify that you have enough disk space, and that you have write privileges to the file system, then try again."
    The Trash folders, however, always empty with "Empty Trash".

    Merry Christmas to all.

    Ed

    This is on Betterbird, my regular mail program.

    Ed

    There are two files, Trash and Trash.msf .

    The Trash.msf is the Mork Summary File.

    The Trash (no file extension) is an MBOX, and
    each message has some status lines.

    From - Sat Sep 16 22:18:50 2023
    X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 \___ State information, injected into the header of
    X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 / the message.

    If the Trash.msf were to get erased as a file,
    when Betterbird/Thunderbird starts up, they generate
    a fresh Trash.msf . The same would happen for any
    other materials in the Profile folder, possessing
    an MBOX format file.

    For newsgroups, the .dat file is for message filters
    (and irrelevant to this discussion thread). There
    is only one functional file per newsgroup, and it
    isn't an MBOX.

    alt.comp.os.windows-10.msf

    That contains a Mork Summary File based on a minimal set of
    header information (the Xover overview database header lines from
    the server). If the Mork .msf is corrupted, it is erased,
    and not all the state info is available any more. If you then
    fetch newsgroup message headers, they are logged into the new .msf ,
    but your "read" messages, your "ignore threads" are all forgotten,
    as their status was flushed into the ocean with the previous
    corrupted and auto-removed alt.comp.os.windows-10.msf .

    *******

    Now, with the color commentary out of the way...

    1) Exit Betterbird/Thunderbird
    2) Move the Trash.msf to a safe place, outside
    of the Profile folder. It's not really important,
    but we're using good compute practices here.
    3) Now, start Betterbird.
    4) A new Trash.msf will be made.
    By reading the status lines of each complete message in the Trash

    X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 \___ These status lines
    X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 /

    a new Trash .msf will be made.

    5) Now, do something to transfer new material to the Trash MBOX.
    Does the message about cannot write still appear ?
    It should not. You've said you have plenty of disk space.
    The only other way the Trash can "block", is if the software
    has a "max_trash" setting. Does it ? I do not know.

    For other MBOX, there is likely an upper limit to size,
    some number larger than 4GB, but I do not know at what
    level they start warning you. Most email tools do not
    scale well, and there has to be a limit expressed at some
    point. For example, you will run out of RAM if the MBOX
    is too big in BB/TB.

    Paul

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Dec 25 18:26:52 2024
    Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/25/2024 6:49 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    Ed Cryer wrote:
    Whenever I run "Compact Folders" on my IMAP accounts, I get the following message;
    "The folder Trash could not be compacted because writing to the folder failed. Verify that you have enough disk space, and that you have write privileges to the file system, then try again."
    The Trash folders, however, always empty with "Empty Trash".

    Merry Christmas to all.

    Ed

    This is on Betterbird, my regular mail program.

    Ed

    There are two files, Trash and Trash.msf .

    The Trash.msf is the Mork Summary File.

    The Trash (no file extension) is an MBOX, and
    each message has some status lines.

    From - Sat Sep 16 22:18:50 2023
    X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 \___ State information, injected into the header of
    X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 / the message.

    If the Trash.msf were to get erased as a file,
    when Betterbird/Thunderbird starts up, they generate
    a fresh Trash.msf . The same would happen for any
    other materials in the Profile folder, possessing
    an MBOX format file.

    For newsgroups, the .dat file is for message filters
    (and irrelevant to this discussion thread). There
    is only one functional file per newsgroup, and it
    isn't an MBOX.

    alt.comp.os.windows-10.msf

    That contains a Mork Summary File based on a minimal set of
    header information (the Xover overview database header lines from
    the server). If the Mork .msf is corrupted, it is erased,
    and not all the state info is available any more. If you then
    fetch newsgroup message headers, they are logged into the new .msf ,
    but your "read" messages, your "ignore threads" are all forgotten,
    as their status was flushed into the ocean with the previous
    corrupted and auto-removed alt.comp.os.windows-10.msf .

    *******

    Now, with the color commentary out of the way...

    1) Exit Betterbird/Thunderbird
    2) Move the Trash.msf to a safe place, outside
    of the Profile folder. It's not really important,
    but we're using good compute practices here.
    3) Now, start Betterbird.
    4) A new Trash.msf will be made.
    By reading the status lines of each complete message in the Trash

    X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 \___ These status lines
    X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 /

    a new Trash .msf will be made.

    5) Now, do something to transfer new material to the Trash MBOX.
    Does the message about cannot write still appear ?
    It should not. You've said you have plenty of disk space.
    The only other way the Trash can "block", is if the software
    has a "max_trash" setting. Does it ? I do not know.

    For other MBOX, there is likely an upper limit to size,
    some number larger than 4GB, but I do not know at what
    level they start warning you. Most email tools do not
    scale well, and there has to be a limit expressed at some
    point. For example, you will run out of RAM if the MBOX
    is too big in BB/TB.

    Paul


    I have two Trash.msf folders in the Profile; one today (Xmas), the other
    10 days old.
    I practised your method on the former; no success; the folder wasn't
    recreated, same fail message.

    Ed

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Wed Dec 25 18:43:03 2024
    On Wed, 12/25/2024 1:26 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:


    I have two Trash.msf folders in the Profile; one today (Xmas), the other 10 days old.
    I practised your method on the former; no success; the folder wasn't recreated, same fail message.

    Ed

    I can see there is a never-ending list of questions I should be asking.
    It's all a lot more complicated than I would have guessed.

    "Missing trash folder in Thunderbird"

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1325949

    I understand the GMail scheme a bit, but there appear to be
    other special patterns out there besides that. Not as linear
    as I was trying to paint it at all.

    Paul

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Dec 26 10:20:21 2024
    Paul wrote:
    On Wed, 12/25/2024 1:26 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:


    I have two Trash.msf folders in the Profile; one today (Xmas), the other 10 days old.
    I practised your method on the former; no success; the folder wasn't recreated, same fail message.

    Ed

    I can see there is a never-ending list of questions I should be asking.
    It's all a lot more complicated than I would have guessed.

    "Missing trash folder in Thunderbird"

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1325949

    I understand the GMail scheme a bit, but there appear to be
    other special patterns out there besides that. Not as linear
    as I was trying to paint it at all.

    Paul

    Thanks for trying, Paul.

    Perhaps someone from Mozilla will read this and act; or someone might
    report it to Bugzilla.

    Ed

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