My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to
look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
India has taken over Microsoft. If you don't believe me, go here:
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-there-so-many-Indians-in-Microsoft-and-Google
And they are doing a piss-poor job of coding Windows. There are those
who will call me racist, and you can bet that those who do so are most
likely going to be Microsoft shills.
On Sun, 1/5/2025 8:14 AM, John C. wrote:
My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to
look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
You could do a Repair Install.
It's one of the fastest ways to correct a myriad off issues.
My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to
look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
Did you know that corporate customers ("enterprise") who buy
multiple seat licenses can control their own updating? The Home
and Pro versions of Windows are now an unpain army of beta
testers. If something is going to brick the system, Home/Pro
customers with auto-update enabled will find out first. Meanwhile,
the corporate customers have their own IT staff, doing the testing
that MS should have done, before they roll out any changes to
their fleet.
On 1/5/2025 12:50 PM, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 1/5/2025 8:14 AM, John C. wrote:
My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to
look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
You could do a Repair Install.
It's one of the fastest ways to correct a myriad off issues.
Do you really find that? Actual corruption of system files
is likely to be extremely rare. At the same time, if all settings
are kept as before, nothing is really changed. If I were going
to try a repair install I'm make a disk image first. Some people
might be happy to have Windows back to Day 1. Others would
be horrified.
I can't see the Quora page, so I don't know what you're linking to. They've ensured that their page is completely
broken unless I let them run script on my machine.
On Sun, 1/5/2025 1:05 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/5/2025 12:50 PM, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 1/5/2025 8:14 AM, John C. wrote:
My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to
look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
You could do a Repair Install.
It's one of the fastest ways to correct a myriad off issues.
Do you really find that? Actual corruption of system files
is likely to be extremely rare. At the same time, if all settings
are kept as before, nothing is really changed. If I were going
to try a repair install I'm make a disk image first. Some people
might be happy to have Windows back to Day 1. Others would
be horrified.
It all depends on which of your original manipulations, you
kept notes of the things that worked well. Then you can
carry on with your modifications.
And if you want to experiment with other OSes, you can
place them in a virtual machine, and not risk busting
anything. The contents aren't important here, it's just
what is set up for test at the moment. The OS on the
left (booted) allows me to access Disk Management and
see the partition which is half-way through an installation.
I will be asking CoPilot in a moment, what I can do to fix
the one on the right -- I'm expecting a daft and context-free
answer.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/YSKxq2sD/Test-OSes-In-A-Box.gif
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 13:38:55 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 1/5/2025 1:05 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/5/2025 12:50 PM, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 1/5/2025 8:14 AM, John C. wrote:
My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to >>>>> look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
You could do a Repair Install.
It's one of the fastest ways to correct a myriad off issues.
 Do you really find that? Actual corruption of system files
is likely to be extremely rare. At the same time, if all settings
are kept as before, nothing is really changed. If I were going
to try a repair install I'm make a disk image first. Some people
might be happy to have Windows back to Day 1. Others would
be horrified.
It all depends on which of your original manipulations, you
kept notes of the things that worked well. Then you can
carry on with your modifications.
And if you want to experiment with other OSes, you can
place them in a virtual machine, and not risk busting
anything. The contents aren't important here, it's just
what is set up for test at the moment. The OS on the
left (booted) allows me to access Disk Management and
see the partition which is half-way through an installation.
I will be asking CoPilot in a moment, what I can do to fix
the one on the right -- I'm expecting a daft and context-free
answer.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/YSKxq2sD/Test-OSes-In-A-Box.gif
If you've ever wanted to experiment with VMware Workstation Pro but were put off
by the cost, be advised that they made it free as of November 2024. IMHO, it's a
very substantial upgrade from VMware Player.
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 13:38:55 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 1/5/2025 1:05 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/5/2025 12:50 PM, Paul wrote:
On Sun, 1/5/2025 8:14 AM, John C. wrote:
My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to >>>>> look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
You could do a Repair Install.
It's one of the fastest ways to correct a myriad off issues.
 Do you really find that? Actual corruption of system files
is likely to be extremely rare. At the same time, if all settings
are kept as before, nothing is really changed. If I were going
to try a repair install I'm make a disk image first. Some people
might be happy to have Windows back to Day 1. Others would
be horrified.
It all depends on which of your original manipulations, you
kept notes of the things that worked well. Then you can
carry on with your modifications.
And if you want to experiment with other OSes, you can
place them in a virtual machine, and not risk busting
anything. The contents aren't important here, it's just
what is set up for test at the moment. The OS on the
left (booted) allows me to access Disk Management and
see the partition which is half-way through an installation.
I will be asking CoPilot in a moment, what I can do to fix
the one on the right -- I'm expecting a daft and context-free
answer.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/YSKxq2sD/Test-OSes-In-A-Box.gif
If you've ever wanted to experiment with VMware Workstation Pro but were put off
by the cost, be advised that they made it free as of November 2024. IMHO, it's a
very substantial upgrade from VMware Player.
manage-bde -off \\?\Volume{9ae767d1-acc9-4f20-96cb-1dee33df598a}\
Then there are the iPhones
and Dells built by virtual slave labor in China. Our economy depends
more that ever before on exploiting people from poor countries.
My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to
look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
India has taken over Microsoft. If you don't believe me, go here:
https://www.q
And they are doing a piss-poor job of coding Windows. There are those
who will call me racist, and you can bet that those who do so are most
likely going to be Microsoft shills.
Also see:
https://en.wik
America is led by a pack of fools for allowing this to happen.
John C. wrote:
My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to
look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
India has taken over Microsoft. If you don't believe me, go here:
https://www.q
And they are doing a piss-poor job of coding Windows. There are those
who will call me racist, and you can bet that those who do so are most
likely going to be Microsoft shills.
Also see:
https://en.wik
America is led by a pack of fools for allowing this to happen.
You forgot to mention your own lack of education and ability to use
modern technology. People always blame somebody but not realising that
they, themselves are completely brain dead because of alcohol, drugs, dementia, Parkinson or old age. There are more brain dead people in USA
or Europe than in China or India.
My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to
look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
India has taken over Microsoft. If you don't believe me, go here:
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-there-so-many-Indians-in-Microsoft-and-Google
And they are doing a piss-poor job of coding Windows. There are those
who will call me racist, and you can bet that those who do so are most
likely going to be Microsoft shills.
Also see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Nadella
America is led by a pack of fools for allowing this to happen.
How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more and
more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a possible cause?
On 1/9/25 14:01, Brian Gregory wrote:
How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more
and more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a
possible cause?
1+. You have a point. Tiny-11
My setup is similar to what you describe with Tiny11.
A separate, custom installer is not needed.
On 1/9/25 19:28, Newyana2 wrote:
Remove Edge
I still have not figured out how to remove installed
Edge. How did you do it?
Remove Edge
On 1/9/25 19:28, Newyana2 wrote:
Remove Edge
I still have not figured out how to remove installed
Edge. How did you do it?
I still have not figured out how to remove installed
Edge. How did you do it?
I detect a fetish here 🙂
Imagine how they behave in North America, where there are no
rules and cowboys wander drunk in the streets :-)
There is also WebView2, and you have to decide what you're going
to do with that (remove or leave). Something has to support
HTML/JS "Apps". Removing that, might break your News and Interests
for example (gosh!). But it might also break the Microsoft Calculator.App .
One person claims they used "Hammer and Tongs" to remove it,
deleting this and that. And it "hasn't come back". But, you need
an extremely long temporal period to conclude you have "a victory
on your hands".
On 1/9/25 7:28 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
My setup is similar to what you describe with Tiny11.
A separate, custom installer is not needed.
I only use Tiny-11 on new installs.
I have switched from Classic Shell to Open Shell.
I carry it with me on a stick.
11's menu is a rip off of Chromebook. It is miserable.
On 1/9/2025 5:21 PM, T wrote:
On 1/9/25 14:01, Brian Gregory wrote:What I'm doing is to install and then get all the latest updates.
How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more
and more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a
possible cause?
1+. You have a point. Tiny-11
Then install Classic Shell and Winaero Tweaker to clean up the
mess. (Can Tiny11 offer a usable Start Menu? I'm guessing not.)
Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/9/2025 5:21 PM, T wrote:
On 1/9/25 14:01, Brian Gregory wrote:What I'm doing is to install and then get all the latest updates.
How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more
and more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a
possible cause?
1+. You have a point. Tiny-11
Then install Classic Shell and Winaero Tweaker to clean up the
mess. (Can Tiny11 offer a usable Start Menu? I'm guessing not.)
Open Shell is now getting a little work done on it. I think Classic Shell
is basically abandoned.
 Yes. CS is definitely not being worked on. But it seemed
Open Shell is now getting a little work done on it. I think Classic
Shell
is basically abandoned.
to work better on Win10 for me. I certainly had no problems
with it. But trying it on 11 might be risky. I've downloaded
OS for that.
  I sure am glad that someone was willing to
take the time to figure these things out. That Start Menu
just gets worse with each version. I now have 4 items on
al start menus: Sht down, Run, Settings, Programs. Then
I clean up the program shortcuts.
Have you disabled fast startup?
On 1/10/2025 2:19 PM, T wrote:
Have you disabled fast startup?
 I'm not familiar with that. I disable it on BIOS level. But I also, always, disable hibernate to get rid of hiberfil.sys. (I also
move the swap file to a set size on a data partition.) so I
don't think that I even could enable fast startup. Why do you
ask? Personally I don't see any value in it. Why would I want to
store the current configuration rather than booting fresh?
On 1/10/25 4:43 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/10/2025 2:19 PM, T wrote:
Have you disabled fast startup?
  I'm not familiar with that. I disable it on BIOS level. But I also,
always, disable hibernate to get rid of hiberfil.sys. (I also
move the swap file to a set size on a data partition.) so I
don't think that I even could enable fast startup. Why do you
ask? Personally I don't see any value in it. Why would I want to
store the current configuration rather than booting fresh?
Fast Startup makes your system unstable after a few days.
This "might" be your problem with Open Shell and other things:
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup
On 1/10/2025 9:36 PM, T wrote:
Fast Startup makes your system unstable after a few days.
This "might" be your problem with Open Shell and other things:
I haven't had any trouble with an unstable system. I just
seem to remember Open Shell being a bit glitchy. Classic Shell
has been fine. I also installed OS on Win11 today and it seems
to be OK. Though the start button doesn't look quite right.
It's on top of the Windows button, which is still there. Not
a big deal, but not as smooth as CS.
The only other problems I've had with Win10 are 1) the
astonishing discombobulated bloat that takes a lot of work
to clean up and 2) that updates don't seem to work very well
after tweaking. I've run updates now on 3 Win10 and 2 Win11.
They've all been smooth and quick when done before tweaking,
but unsuccessful after tweaking. I don't regard that as
instability. I regard it as indicative of Microsoft's increasing
resolve to force their customers into an ad-infested, spyware,
services system. I've repeatedly found Win10 to be brittle, and
I attribute that to Microsoft trying to block control. But I
haven't experienced instability. By brittle I mean that it breaks
easilly when I start fiddling around.
I did pretty much lose the whole
thing when I tried to run a security update awhile back. Updates
that fail to even install shouldn't leave the system in pieces. But
I had a disk image backup and it all worked out OK. I won't be
trying that again.
Fast Startup makes your system unstable after a few days.
This "might" be your problem with Open Shell and other things:
Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/9/2025 5:21 PM, T wrote:
On 1/9/25 14:01, Brian Gregory wrote:What I'm doing is to install and then get all the latest updates.
How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more
and more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a
possible cause?
1+. You have a point. Tiny-11
Then install Classic Shell and Winaero Tweaker to clean up the
mess. (Can Tiny11 offer a usable Start Menu? I'm guessing not.)
Open Shell is now getting a little work done on it. I think Classic Shell
is basically abandoned.
On 1/9/2025 10:53 PM, T wrote:
On 1/9/25 7:28 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
My setup is similar to what you describe with Tiny11.
A separate, custom installer is not needed.
I only use Tiny-11 on new installs.
I have switched from Classic Shell to Open Shell.
I carry it with me on a stick.
11's menu is a rip off of Chromebook. It is miserable.
Interesting. I've never seen a Chromebook. But I agree
that the Win11 Start Menu is yet one or two more steps
removed from usability then Win10's. Though there was
one thing I liked. It has an item to get all kinds of obscure
system tools all in one window, as icon shortcuts. Disk
management, for example.
I tried Open Shell and it seemed a bit unstable, but maybe
it's worth a try on Win11, since a few things have probably
changed. It's a lifesaver on Win10. Not only the Start Menu
but also for doing things like getting all the crap out of the
Computer folder. By default, the whole top section is a silly
abstraction of the file system. Pictures, Videos, Music, etc.
I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
replaced.
I use Open Shell on Windows 8.1 & Classic Shell on Windows 10 & I have
never seen any signs of unstability. They work as they should.
On 1/10/25 8:39 PM, Paul wrote:
I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
replaced.
Or just powered it off
On Fri, 1/10/2025 11:18 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 1/10/2025 9:36 PM, T wrote:
Fast Startup makes your system unstable after a few days.
This "might" be your problem with Open Shell and other things:
I haven't had any trouble with an unstable system. I just
seem to remember Open Shell being a bit glitchy. Classic Shell
has been fine. I also installed OS on Win11 today and it seems
to be OK. Though the start button doesn't look quite right.
It's on top of the Windows button, which is still there. Not
a big deal, but not as smooth as CS.
The only other problems I've had with Win10 are 1) the
astonishing discombobulated bloat that takes a lot of work
to clean up and 2) that updates don't seem to work very well
after tweaking. I've run updates now on 3 Win10 and 2 Win11.
They've all been smooth and quick when done before tweaking,
but unsuccessful after tweaking. I don't regard that as
instability. I regard it as indicative of Microsoft's increasing
resolve to force their customers into an ad-infested, spyware,
services system. I've repeatedly found Win10 to be brittle, and
I attribute that to Microsoft trying to block control. But I
haven't experienced instability. By brittle I mean that it breaks
easilly when I start fiddling around.
I did pretty much lose the whole
thing when I tried to run a security update awhile back. Updates
that fail to even install shouldn't leave the system in pieces. But
I had a disk image backup and it all worked out OK. I won't be
trying that again.
I had something weird today. I went out for groceries, and when I
came back, the machine was off. It wasn't a power fail, because
the clocks weren't flashing. I checked the Reliability monitor
and found this (Settings : type "relia" into the search).
Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following
update with error 0x80073D02:
9MSSGKG348SP-MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience
The identifier at the beginning of that, is not one I've seen before.
So when installing that, the machine did something rash, and I can't
imagine what. I was running my RAMDrive at the time and it was
loaded with stuff... all lost.
It would appear then, that the "Widgets" which are turned off,
have dropped my machine. Nice work, you bastards.
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/windows-web-experience-pack.2103/
["Microsoft Store Error Code 0x80073D02"]
I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
replaced.
Is this a great time to be alive, or what ?
I had something weird today. I went out for groceries, and when I
came back, the machine was off. It wasn't a power fail, because
the clocks weren't flashing. I checked the Reliability monitor
and found this (Settings : type "relia" into the search).
Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following
update with error 0x80073D02:
9MSSGKG348SP-MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience
The identifier at the beginning of that, is not one I've seen before.
So when installing that, the machine did something rash, and I can't
imagine what. I was running my RAMDrive at the time and it was
loaded with stuff... all lost.
It would appear then, that the "Widgets" which are turned off,
have dropped my machine. Nice work, you bastards.
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/windows-web-experience-pack.2103/
["Microsoft Store Error Code 0x80073D02"]
I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
replaced.
Is this a great time to be alive, or what ?
On 05/01/2025 13:14, John C. wrote:
My copy of Windows 10 Pro is now so riddled with problems and
non-functional modules that it's at the point where it may be time to
look at another operating system. So what's causing this issue?
India has taken over Microsoft. If you don't believe me, go here:
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-there-so-many-Indians-in-Microsoft-and-Google >>
And they are doing a piss-poor job of coding Windows. There are those
who will call me racist, and you can bet that those who do so are most
likely going to be Microsoft shills.
Also see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Nadella
America is led by a pack of fools for allowing this to happen.
How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more and
more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a possible cause?
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]
I had something weird today. I went out for groceries, and when I
came back, the machine was off. It wasn't a power fail, because
the clocks weren't flashing. I checked the Reliability monitor
and found this (Settings : type "relia" into the search).
Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following
update with error 0x80073D02:
9MSSGKG348SP-MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience
The identifier at the beginning of that, is not one I've seen before.
So when installing that, the machine did something rash, and I can't
imagine what. I was running my RAMDrive at the time and it was
loaded with stuff... all lost.
It would appear then, that the "Widgets" which are turned off,
have dropped my machine. Nice work, you bastards.
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/windows-web-experience-pack.2103/
["Microsoft Store Error Code 0x80073D02"]
I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
replaced.
Is this a great time to be alive, or what ?
You posted this to the Windows 10 group, but point to a Windows 11
forum. So was/is your issue on Windows 10 or 11?
That said, on my Windows 11 24H2 system, I am getting the
"Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following update
with error 0x80073D02:" errors for multiple "9..." items (apps?) for
several days now, since January 5, every day.
Failed updates:
9N1SQW2NKPDS-5A894077.McAfeeSecurity
9WZDNCRFHVN5-MICROSOFT.WINDOWSCALCULATOR
9WZDNCRFJ3P2-MICROSOFT.ZUNEVIDEO
9NTXGKQ8P7N0-MicrosoftWindows.CrossDevice
9NMPJ99VJBWV-Microsoft.YourPhone 9MSSGKG348SP-MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience
These reoccur - sometimes twice a day - but not all of them each day.
Of these, I only use the Calculator and probably McAfeeSecurity as a browser extension. (This laptop came with McAfee, but the bulk of it was uninstalled at expiry, but I left the browser extension.
Any insights as to what (not) to do?
N.B. Please feel free to crosspost or move this to
alt.comp.os.windows-11.
I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...
The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App
I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
On 1/11/2025 6:00 AM, T wrote:
On 1/10/25 8:39 PM, Paul wrote:
I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
replaced.
Or just powered it off
 I made an ethernet socket on my Desktop. I unplug
it when not using anything online or putting it on sleep.
That used to be because I'm overly cautious and
thorough by nature. Now it's because I'm running
"Microsoft's latest and great flagship blah, blah, blah..."
Newyana2 wrote:
I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...
The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App
I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
I was trying to stop Host Process For Windows Services from downloading 100s of megabytes of unknown data to my computer. Somewhere I came across a message regarding EdgeBlock which blocks WebView and that seems to have stopped the Host Process. Fortunately the only program listed is Quicken
and I use a 2014 version of Quicken that does not need the internet. So thanks for the info.
 The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App
  I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
On 1/11/25 11:04 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Newyana2 wrote:
I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...
The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App
I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
I was trying to stop Host Process For Windows Services from
downloading 100s
of megabytes of unknown data to my computer. Somewhere I came across a
message regarding EdgeBlock which blocks WebView and that seems to have
stopped the Host Process. Fortunately the only program listed is Quicken
and I use a 2014 version of Quicken that does not need the internet. So
thanks for the info.
Try this:
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
I turn everything off. Nails updates as well.
On 1/11/2025 3:51 PM, T wrote:
On 1/11/25 11:04 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Newyana2 wrote:
  I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...
  The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App
   I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
I was trying to stop Host Process For Windows Services from
downloading 100s
of megabytes of unknown data to my computer. Somewhere I came across a >>> message regarding EdgeBlock which blocks WebView and that seems to have
stopped the Host Process. Fortunately the only program listed is
Quicken
and I use a 2014 version of Quicken that does not need the internet. So >>> thanks for the info.
Try this:
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
I turn everything off. Nails updates as well.
 I think you might be mixing topics here, because i added
an addendum to a post in a thread that was mostly about
tweakers. I was addressing the issue Paul brought up
recently, about whether removing Edge removes WebView2,
the Edge browser component. The list of programs above
is a list of things that use WebView2.
On 1/11/25 5:43 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App
I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
Of all the Tiny-11 installs I have done, I have not
had any complaining about such.
Years ago I saw a bunch of Quickens installed
but have not seen that kluge in years.
And M$'s crapware can always be added back if needed.
I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
bit of accounting to use it. The learning curve
is steep. But past that, it is awesome.
The
guys on their mail list give you the shirt off
their backs,
On 1/11/2025 3:51 PM, T wrote:
On 1/11/25 11:04 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Newyana2 wrote:
I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...
The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App
I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
I was trying to stop Host Process For Windows Services from
downloading 100s
of megabytes of unknown data to my computer. Somewhere I came
across a message regarding EdgeBlock which blocks WebView and that
seems to have stopped the Host Process. Fortunately the only
program listed is Quicken and I use a 2014 version of Quicken that
does not need the internet. So thanks for the info.
Try this:
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
I turn everything off. Nails updates as well.
I think you might be mixing topics here, because i added
an addendum to a post in a thread that was mostly about
tweakers. I was addressing the issue Paul brought up
recently, about whether removing Edge removes WebView2,
the Edge browser component. The list of programs above
is a list of things that use WebView2.
I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
bit of accounting to use it. The learning curve
is steep. But past that, it is awesome.
I use Quicken and I'm very happy with it. I've never tried GnuCash and
I know nothing about it. Do you think GnuCash is better than Quicken?
Why? What's better about it? Should I try it? I do know a bit of
accounting.
Can I import my Quicken Data into it?
Anyone else here use GnuCash? What do you think about it as opposed to Quicken?
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 13:43:55 -0800, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 1/11/25 5:43 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
 The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App
  I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
Of all the Tiny-11 installs I have done, I have not
had any complaining about such.
Years ago I saw a bunch of Quickens installed
but have not seen that kluge in years.
And M$'s crapware can always be added back if needed.
I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
bit of accounting to use it. The learning curve
is steep. But past that, it is awesome.
I use Quicken and I'm very happy with it. I've never tried GnuCash and
I know nothing about it. Do you think GnuCash is better than Quicken?
Why? What's better about it? Should I try it? I do know a bit of
accounting.
Can I import my Quicken Data into it?
Anyone else here use GnuCash? What do you think about it as opposed to Quicken?
The guys on their mail list give you the shirt off their backs,
On 1/9/2025 10:42 PM, T wrote:
I still have not figured out how to remove installed
Edge. How did you do it?
https://github.com/ShadowWhisperer/Remove-MS-Edge
On Sun, 1/12/2025 12:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 13:43:55 -0800, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 1/11/25 5:43 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App
I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
Of all the Tiny-11 installs I have done, I have not
had any complaining about such.
Years ago I saw a bunch of Quickens installed
but have not seen that kluge in years.
And M$'s crapware can always be added back if needed.
I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
bit of accounting to use it. The learning curve
is steep. But past that, it is awesome.
I use Quicken and I'm very happy with it. I've never tried GnuCash and
I know nothing about it. Do you think GnuCash is better than Quicken?
Why? What's better about it? Should I try it? I do know a bit of
accounting.
Can I import my Quicken Data into it?
Anyone else here use GnuCash? What do you think about it as opposed to
Quicken?
The guys on their mail list give you the shirt off their backs,
You're used to the Quicken.
The GnuCash would be "culture shock" as much as anything.
This is one thing you'd read or look for first, as manual re-entry
of data would not be a pleasant way to spend a Sunday.
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Quicken_Migration
"Next export your Quicken data to a QIF format. Save this file."
At least then, when you open the screen, you'll have some
context to judge what a mess it would be.
It's like using LibreOffice. If you import a document
and the document looks good, you're interested. If
the imported document looks damaged, then you are not interested.
And nobody wants imprecise ways of re-inputting data.
If the Quicken cannot successfully make QIF, that too is an answer.
Paul
On 1/12/25 9:53 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
bit of accounting to use it. The learning curve
is steep. But past that, it is awesome.
I use Quicken and I'm very happy with it. I've never tried GnuCash and
I know nothing about it. Do you think GnuCash is better than Quicken?
Why? What's better about it? Should I try it? I do know a bit of
accounting.
Can I import my Quicken Data into it?
Anyone else here use GnuCash? What do you think about it as opposed to
Quicken?
GnuCash is way more difficult to learn. Once you get
there it is powerful. Be prepared to tear some hair out.
Quicken is "single entry" and GnuCash is "double
entry" accounting. Big, big difference.
It can be argued that double entry accounting was the
single greatest mathematical advancement in human
history as it ushered in the Renaissance and global trade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-entry_bookkeeping >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-entry_bookkeeping
Here is an AI (which are usually not to be trusted)
comparison: >https://search.brave.com/search?q=gnuCash+versus+quicken&summary=1&conversation=3488cd609ba27d8aaa568c
Here is users comparing the two: >https://www.reddit.com/r/GnuCash/comments/e8uldw/honest_opinion_of_gnucash_vs_quicken/
GnuCash's users mailing list is beyond helpful.
What a bunch of great guys. They helped set me up.
The GnuCash developers fix their bugs. I have reported
several to them. They usually jump on them in a week.
I have seen quicken users migrate to on line banking,
so I have not seen it on customer's machines for several
years now. (On line banking is dangerous to do from
Windows platforms. Last lady I help with a hack got
embezzled for 40K U$D. Bank did make her whole,
eventually.)
Quicken is easier but way less powerful. You get
marketed out the wazoo and are required to get
yearly updates to do online banking.
On 1/9/2025 5:21 PM, T wrote:
On 1/9/25 14:01, Brian Gregory wrote:I'm currently running Win10 and have just set up a dual boot
How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more
and more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a
possible cause?
1+. You have a point. Tiny-11
of 100/11. My setup is similar to what you describe with Tiny11.
A separate, custom installer is not needed.
What I'm doing is to install and then get all the latest updates.
Then install Classic Shell and Winaero Tweaker to clean up the
mess. (Can Tiny11 offer a usable Start Menu? I'm guessing not.)
Run PowerShell command to uninstall the apps. Take
ownership of the WindowsApps folder and delete what's left.
Remove Edge and delete those files. Install Simplewall and block
Microsoft there. Run Windows Update Blocker to lock out
updates... Etc.
Does Windows Update Blocker give you the chance to Pick-n-Choose which Updates to install??
If so, where do I get it from?? ;-P
Daniel70 wrote on 3/19/2025 4:50 AM:
I'm running Win-11 and I deleted/disabled all sorts of stuff (Copilot
for one) and now Win-11, when I close down of a night, offers me the
oportunity to 'finish' the installation of the latest updates ....
several of which I think is MS trying to re-install the stuff that I
deleted (like Copilot!!).
Fyi...finishing the installation of latest updates is not related to reinstalling Copilot app that was uninstalled/disabled from running at logon/terminated.
Daniel70 wrote on 3/20/2025 2:31 AM:
On 20/03/2025 3:26 am, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
Daniel70 wrote on 3/19/2025 4:50 AM:Sure, but I'm thinking that Win-11 will know that I have uninstalled
I'm running Win-11 and I deleted/disabled all sorts of stuff
(Copilot for one) and now Win-11, when I close down of a night,
offers me the oportunity to 'finish' the installation of the latest
updates .... several of which I think is MS trying to re-install the
stuff that I deleted (like Copilot!!).
Fyi...finishing the installation of latest updates is not related to
reinstalling Copilot app that was uninstalled/disabled from running
at logon/terminated.
Copilot so it will want me to re-install Copilot .... and other stuff
as well.
Any package(app) can be redeployed via MSFT Store updating or Windows Update(adding new or replacing old features integrated into
Windows)...but in your case, 'finish installing updates' was not related
to reinstalling CoPilot especially if following the proper procedure for uninstalling/disabling from startup, etc.
- atm, if Copilot has been uninstalled, Windows Update updates(which
may contain new features, patches-app and security, bug fixes, and improvements for Copilot) does not reinstall CoPilot.
On 21/03/2025 5:38 am, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
Daniel70 wrote on 3/20/2025 2:31 AM:
On 20/03/2025 3:26 am, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
Daniel70 wrote on 3/19/2025 4:50 AM:Sure, but I'm thinking that Win-11 will know that I have uninstalled
I'm running Win-11 and I deleted/disabled all sorts of stuff
(Copilot for one) and now Win-11, when I close down of a night,
offers me the oportunity to 'finish' the installation of the latest
updates .... several of which I think is MS trying to re-install
the stuff that I deleted (like Copilot!!).
Fyi...finishing the installation of latest updates is not related to
reinstalling Copilot app that was uninstalled/disabled from running
at logon/terminated.
Copilot so it will want me to re-install Copilot .... and other stuff
as well.
Any package(app) can be redeployed via MSFT Store updating or Windows
Update(adding new or replacing old features integrated into
Windows)...but in your case, 'finish installing updates' was not
related to reinstalling CoPilot especially if following the proper
procedure for uninstalling/disabling from startup, etc.
- atm, if Copilot has been uninstalled, Windows Update updates(which
may contain new features, patches-app and security, bug fixes, and
improvements for Copilot) does not reinstall CoPilot.
Oh! O.K., here goes!
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