• Claws email

    From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 16 10:36:13 2025
    I'm trying to set up Claws email client.
    It seems that Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.
    Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on Claws, or is there another way?
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    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Thu Jan 16 13:09:28 2025
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
    I'm trying to set up Claws email client.
    It seems that Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.

    You can indeed no longer use 'less-secure' apps, but you can use 'App passwords' instead. That basically means that instead of your Google
    account password, you use a special generated password, just for this
    purpose.

    I use (Google) 'App passwords' in Thunderbird to access my Gmail
    accounts.

    See 'Learn more' on <https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords>

    Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on Claws, or is there another way?

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Thu Jan 16 15:38:27 2025
    On 16/01/2025 13:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
    I'm trying to set up Claws email client.
    It seems that Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.

    You can indeed no longer use 'less-secure' apps, but you can use 'App passwords' instead. That basically means that instead of your Google
    account password, you use a special generated password, just for this purpose.

    I use (Google) 'App passwords' in Thunderbird to access my Gmail
    accounts.

    See 'Learn more' on <https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords>

    Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on Claws, or is there
    another way?

    Still can't do it.
    It all seems a bit of a phart.
    There's no SSL, which Claws mentions in its documentation for v4.3.

    All I'm trying to do is find an email client which will do what
    Thunderbird does without it using a big chunk of memory (and is free and
    will take 4 addresses of various kinds) and makes the tea and lays
    golden eggs :)

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    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Thu Jan 16 18:37:56 2025
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
    On 16/01/2025 13:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
    I'm trying to set up Claws email client.
    It seems that Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.

    You can indeed no longer use 'less-secure' apps, but you can use 'App passwords' instead. That basically means that instead of your Google account password, you use a special generated password, just for this purpose.

    I use (Google) 'App passwords' in Thunderbird to access my Gmail accounts.

    See 'Learn more' on <https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords>

    Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on Claws, or is there >> another way?

    Still can't do it.
    It all seems a bit of a phart.
    There's no SSL, which Claws mentions in its documentation for v4.3.

    You mean Claws does not support SSL?

    All I'm trying to do is find an email client which will do what
    Thunderbird does without it using a big chunk of memory (and is free and
    will take 4 addresses of various kinds) and makes the tea and lays
    golden eggs :)

    An older version of Thunderbird? My 60.9.0 version uses about 130 MB
    memory, which isn't small, but is about the same size as (Windows) File Explorer.

    BTW, as you're using Betterbird to post to Usenet, can't you just use
    that for e-mail as well?

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  • From Jim S@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Fri Jan 17 17:22:08 2025
    On 16/01/2025 18:37, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
    On 16/01/2025 13:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
    I'm trying to set up Claws email client.
    It seems that Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.

    You can indeed no longer use 'less-secure' apps, but you can use 'App >>> passwords' instead. That basically means that instead of your Google
    account password, you use a special generated password, just for this
    purpose.

    I use (Google) 'App passwords' in Thunderbird to access my Gmail
    accounts.

    See 'Learn more' on <https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords>

    Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on Claws, or is there >>>> another way?

    Still can't do it.
    It all seems a bit of a phart.
    There's no SSL, which Claws mentions in its documentation for v4.3.

    You mean Claws does not support SSL?

    All I'm trying to do is find an email client which will do what
    Thunderbird does without it using a big chunk of memory (and is free and
    will take 4 addresses of various kinds) and makes the tea and lays
    golden eggs :)

    An older version of Thunderbird? My 60.9.0 version uses about 130 MB memory, which isn't small, but is about the same size as (Windows) File Explorer.

    BTW, as you're using Betterbird to post to Usenet, can't you just use
    that for e-mail as well?

    Well, I do. I just refer to it as Thunderbird for simplicity.
    I'm getting readings of memory in the region of 260-380 MB on either of
    them (Tb or Bb), which seems excessive, and I don't have masses of
    emails in store.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 17 21:14:31 2025
    Jim the Geordie:

    I'm trying to set up Claws email client. It seems that
    Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.

    Nope, it still supports them, via so called app passwords.

    Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on
    Claws, or is there another way?

    I think not. I myself access Gmail with Sylpheed, of which
    Claws is a branch.

    My complete Gmail settings for Sylpheed are:

    Basic:
    Server for receiving: imap.gmail.com
    SMTP server : smtp.gmail.com
    User ID : // my e-mail address
    Password : // my Gmail app password
    Receive:
    IMAP4:
    Authentification method: PLAIN
    Send:
    Authentification:
    SMTP Authentifiation : // check
    Authentification method:
    User ID : // empty
    Password : // empty
    SSL:
    IMAP4: Use SSL for IMAP4 connection
    SMTP : Use SSL for SMTP connection

    This works in Sylpheed 3.7.0. In some of the later versions
    they tried to add some support for this new abominable
    authentification method involving a browswer, which never
    worked for me, so I had to stay with 3.7.0.

    All I'm trying to do is find an email client which will do
    what Thunderbird does without it using a big chunk of
    memory (and is free and will take 4 addresses of various
    kinds) and makes the tea and lays golden eggs :)

    Have you considered ditching Gmail altogether? There are
    many other e-mail providers, small and big, free and paid.
    And there are great tools for migrating IMAP mailboxes.

    Try Pegasus Mail: <https://www.pmail.com/index.htm>

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  • From Jim The Geordie@21:1/5 to Anton Shepelev on Sat Jan 18 09:56:41 2025
    On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 21:14:31 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Jim the Geordie:

    I'm trying to set up Claws email client. It seems that
    Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.

    Nope, it still supports them, via so called app passwords.

    Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on
    Claws, or is there another way?

    I think not. I myself access Gmail with Sylpheed, of which
    Claws is a branch.

    My complete Gmail settings for Sylpheed are:

    Basic:
    Server for receiving: imap.gmail.com
    SMTP server : smtp.gmail.com
    User ID : // my e-mail address
    Password : // my Gmail app password
    Receive:
    IMAP4:
    Authentification method: PLAIN
    Send:
    Authentification:
    SMTP Authentifiation : // check
    Authentification method:
    User ID : // empty
    Password : // empty
    SSL:
    IMAP4: Use SSL for IMAP4 connection
    SMTP : Use SSL for SMTP connection

    This works in Sylpheed 3.7.0. In some of the later versions
    they tried to add some support for this new abominable
    authentification method involving a browswer, which never
    worked for me, so I had to stay with 3.7.0.

    All I'm trying to do is find an email client which will do
    what Thunderbird does without it using a big chunk of
    memory (and is free and will take 4 addresses of various
    kinds) and makes the tea and lays golden eggs :)

    Have you considered ditching Gmail altogether? There are
    many other e-mail providers, small and big, free and paid.
    And there are great tools for migrating IMAP mailboxes.

    Try Pegasus Mail: <https://www.pmail.com/index.htm>

    There is no SSL in Claws
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    Jim the Geordie

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to Geordie on Sat Jan 18 10:41:18 2025
    <snip>
    In message <16btug4mmc7f6.1vec5pmii0sxc$.dlg@40tude.net>, Jim The
    Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> writes
    There is no SSL in Claws

    It's probably possible to get around that by using Stunnel as an
    intermediary between Claws and the mail server:

    https://www.stunnel.org/index.html
    --
    John Hall
    "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
    will hardly mind anything else."
    Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

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  • From Jim S@21:1/5 to John Hall on Sat Jan 18 11:25:47 2025
    On 18/01/2025 10:41, John Hall wrote:
    <snip>
    In message <16btug4mmc7f6.1vec5pmii0sxc$.dlg@40tude.net>, Jim The
    Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> writes
    There is no SSL in Claws

    It's probably possible to get around that by using Stunnel as an
    intermediary between Claws and the mail server:

    https://www.stunnel.org/index.html

    You might well be right, but I'm not sure I need Claws that much.

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    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Jim S@21:1/5 to Michael Logies on Sat Jan 18 16:10:23 2025
    On 18/01/2025 15:22, Michael Logies wrote:
    SSL works with Claws:

    https://www.perplexity.ai/search/ich-suche-eine-englischsprachi-y1ZgXp2yR8CuqwT2ds.Chw

    Apart from the fact that there is no mention of SSL anywhere in Ver 4.3,
    I have managed to set up two addresses to run on TLS.
    The problem still comes when trying to set up two Gmail addresses,
    following what I did with the others and following instructions
    suggested here using Gmails 'special' passwords and using my usual
    passwords.

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    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Michael Logies@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 18 16:22:10 2025
    SSL works with Claws:

    https://www.perplexity.ai/search/ich-suche-eine-englischsprachi-y1ZgXp2yR8CuqwT2ds.Chw

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  • From Michael Logies@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 18 19:01:35 2025
    On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 16:10:23 +0000, Jim S <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk>
    wrote:

    On 18/01/2025 15:22, Michael Logies wrote:
    SSL works with Claws:

    https://www.perplexity.ai/search/ich-suche-eine-englischsprachi-y1ZgXp2yR8CuqwT2ds.Chw

    Apart from the fact that there is no mention of SSL anywhere in Ver 4.3,

    Look for TLS.

    I have managed to set up two addresses to run on TLS.
    The problem still comes when trying to set up two Gmail addresses,

    My Gmail-Address is working with Claws. It is called app password: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833?hl=en
    Sign in with app passwords

    Regards

    M.

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