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    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 16 21:40:29 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    If you’re stubborn about sticking to Windows 10, here’s another bit of functionality Microsoft is going to take away from you: use of
    Microsoft Office/365.

    <https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/15/24344209/microsoft-365-office-apps-windows-10-end-of-support>

    So what other choice do you have apart from going to an alternative
    like LibreOffice? Or abandoning Windows altogether, and embracing the
    greater options available with Linux?

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Thu Jan 16 17:25:49 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Thu, 1/16/2025 4:40 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    If you’re stubborn about sticking to Windows 10, here’s another bit of functionality Microsoft is going to take away from you: use of
    Microsoft Office/365.

    <https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/15/24344209/microsoft-365-office-apps-windows-10-end-of-support>

    So what other choice do you have apart from going to an alternative
    like LibreOffice? Or abandoning Windows altogether, and embracing the
    greater options available with Linux?


    Run a VM. Next.

    Right now, I have a Win11 in a VMWare product, with "swtpm".
    The Win11 doesn't have a license. And you don't put licenses
    of the "normal" sort in a VM, because Microsoft tech support
    won't help you with those. There may be some Enterprise SKU for
    that.

    But if you wanted to move your rental software, you could do it
    that way.

    I'm not sure you can do that with VirtualBox, as the passthru TPM
    support (no "swtpm") did not work on my other machine. And I don't
    really know how to debug that.

    At the current time, you can *buy* the non-rental version of Office
    and use that instead. The rental version is not the only version
    (unlike an Adobe perhaps).

    Paul

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Jan 17 00:07:23 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:25:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

    The Win11 doesn't have a license.

    Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary software
    without being dishonest.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Thu Jan 16 20:27:36 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Thu, 1/16/2025 7:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:25:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

    The Win11 doesn't have a license.

    Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary software without being dishonest.


    The install is proof that VMWare has a working TPM and
    is capable of installing Windows 11.

    The Host OS that is resting on, is a *licensed* copy of Windows 11.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/XY2r64CW/W11-in-VMWare.gif

    Paul

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Jan 17 02:37:19 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 20:27:36 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Thu, 1/16/2025 7:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:25:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

    The Win11 doesn't have a license.

    Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary software
    without being dishonest.

    The Host OS that is resting on, is a *licensed* copy of Windows 11.

    Two different installations sharing the same licence? That’s not allowed.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Jan 17 00:05:25 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Thu, 1/16/2025 9:37 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 20:27:36 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Thu, 1/16/2025 7:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:25:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

    The Win11 doesn't have a license.

    Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary software
    without being dishonest.

    The Host OS that is resting on, is a *licensed* copy of Windows 11.

    Two different installations sharing the same licence? That’s not allowed.


    The date at the top of the picture, in Windows Update, shows the last
    time it was used. The date in the lower right corner, shows todays
    date when the VM guest was operated.

    It's not a daily driver, and has the same status as a ton of other
    test installs here.

    If I erase it and install it again, would you be happy ?
    If I erase it and install it again, would you be happy ?
    If I erase it and install it again, would you be happy ?
    ...

    Paul

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Fri Jan 17 07:40:46 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 21:40:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    If you’re stubborn about sticking to Windows 10, here’s another bit of >functionality Microsoft is going to take away from you: use of
    Microsoft Office/365.

    <https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/15/24344209/microsoft-365-office-apps-windows-10-end-of-support>

    So what other choice do you have apart from going to an alternative
    like LibreOffice? Or abandoning Windows altogether, and embracing the
    greater options available with Linux?

    Microsoft did that a long time ago by making Office 365 rentware.

    I have a "free" copy of MS Office 365 that has been mouldering in a
    cupboard for 10 years, and I never installed it because who needs
    software that will die after a year?

    I get by with MS Office 97 on my XP desktop and LibreOffice on my Win
    10 laptop.

    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Jan 17 05:40:19 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 00:05:25 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Thu, 1/16/2025 9:37 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 20:27:36 -0500, Paul wrote:

    On Thu, 1/16/2025 7:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:25:49 -0500, Paul wrote:

    The Win11 doesn't have a license.

    Seems you cannot get through your working day with proprietary
    software without being dishonest.

    The Host OS that is resting on, is a *licensed* copy of Windows 11.

    Two different installations sharing the same licence? That’s not
    allowed.

    The date at the top of the picture, in Windows Update, shows the last
    time it was used.

    That’s irrelevant. Also, the Windows Home licence doesn’t allow virtualization.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Jan 17 15:20:24 2025
    XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On 1/16/25 1:40 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    If you’re stubborn about sticking to Windows 10, here’s another bit of functionality Microsoft is going to take away from you: use of
    Microsoft Office/365.

    <https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/15/24344209/microsoft-365-office-apps-windows-10-end-of-support>

    So what other choice do you have apart from going to an alternative
    like LibreOffice? Or abandoning Windows altogether, and embracing the
    greater options available with Linux?

    Hi Lawrence,

    This is my keeper on Office Suites:

    I personally use LibreOffice and Only Office.

    Libre Office has less bugs but is less intuitive.
    It also support the Open Document spec well.
    Libre Office is all as good as M$O. Maybe better.

    Only Office is very intuitive but has a ton of bugs.
    It support DOCX well but is a bummer with Open
    Documents. It reads them well, be writes out
    corruptions. The solution is to write back out
    as a DOCX, which rankles me. Only Office will
    come into its own eventually. It's PDF reader
    is great.

    HTH,
    -T


    Office Suites:

    Libre Office:
    http://libreoffice.org

    Libre Office Extensions:
    https://extensions.libreoffice.org/


    Only Office:
    https://www.onlyoffice.com/download-desktop.aspx


    Free Office (old version of Softmaker):
    https://www.freeoffice.com/en/download/applications
    https://shop.softmaker.com/repo/rpm/x86_64/RPMS/


    Softmaker:
    https://www.softmaker.com/en/
    https://www.softmaker.com/en/servicepacks (has release notes)


    Only Office Desktop:
    https://www.onlyoffice.com/download-desktop.aspx


    WPS Office (has an Android version):
    https://linux.wps.com/#

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