long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless >information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and answer
session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and search for
it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it wasn't there, it
was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and saved
it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a simpler way
to find a file.
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and answer
session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and search for
it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it wasn't there, it
was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and saved
it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a simpler way
to find a file.
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken
on long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research,
and then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into
a search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with
useless information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and
answer session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and
search for it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it
wasn't there, it was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and
saved it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a
simpler way to find a file.
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and answer
session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and search for
it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it wasn't there, it
was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and saved
it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a simpler way
to find a file.
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and answer
session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and search for
it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it wasn't there, it
was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and saved
it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a simpler way
to find a file.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name
into a search box, and it is found.
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless information.
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and answer
session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and search for
it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it wasn't there, it
was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and saved
it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a simpler way
to find a file.
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and answer
session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and search for
it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it wasn't there, it
was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and saved
it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a simpler way
to find a file.
On 18 Jan 2025, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken
on long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research,
and then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into
a search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with
useless information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and
answer session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and
search for it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it
wasn't there, it was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and
saved it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a
simpler way to find a file.
I use Voidtools Everything search for finding files by file name, which
is 99% of my searches. It returns results almost instantaneously. It's
maybe my most-used utility.
https://www.voidtools.com/
For the few times I need to find a file by content, I use Agent
Ransack. Works very well, but searches can take a long time, since it
has to examine within each file.
https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/
I never use Window's built-in search or Copilot.
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Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and answer
session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and search for
it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it wasn't there, it
was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and saved
it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a simpler way
to find a file.
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless information.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless
information.
As others have mentioned, I advise to use (voidtools) 'Everything' for searching.
That said, adding to Paul's comments on the (Windows) 'Indexing
Options' applet in Control Panel:
I see that that applet has a 'Troubleshoot search and indexing' link
at the bottom (and in another place). You might want to try that Troubleshooter to see if it can find and fix what seems to be wrong with
your system.
[...]
I save lots of stuff from the internet either as web pages or to a text
file (or files) using Notepad.
The trick is to name the (or each) file & select where to save it to.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless
information.
As others have mentioned, I advise to use (voidtools) 'Everything' for
searching.
That said, adding to Paul's comments on the (Windows) 'Indexing
Options' applet in Control Panel:
I see that that applet has a 'Troubleshoot search and indexing' link
at the bottom (and in another place). You might want to try that >Troubleshooter to see if it can find and fix what seems to be wrong with
your system.
[...]
I save lots of stuff from the internet either as web pages
In Windows 10 you can do basically the same thing that was done in XP,..............Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then savedd it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless
information.
In Windows 10 you can do basically the same thing that was done in XP,..............Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then savedd it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless >>>> information.
Open the file manager, look on the right end of the location window.
ie mine currently says ThisPC> Window(C)................
There is a box that when all of, or part of a name is enter it will search the follder for thattext in then file names.
My search need are minimal and the native search is adequate for my needs.
dir /b /s /a-d d:\*.* >list.txt
Then use an editor to search in list.txt
dir /s/a/l/on/b c:\*.* > salonb_20250119.txt
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Google left Usenet back in Feb 2024, so that header became meaningless
since Google was the only Usenet provider that honored it. It has
always been pointless with other NNTP providers, NNTP clients, Usenet
archive sites, and web-based forums using NNTP-to-HTTP gateways.
Nil <rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2025, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken
on long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research,
and then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into
a search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with
useless information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and
answer session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and
search for it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it
wasn't there, it was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and
saved it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a
simpler way to find a file.
I use Voidtools Everything search for finding files by file name, which
is 99% of my searches. It returns results almost instantaneously. It's
maybe my most-used utility.
https://www.voidtools.com/
For the few times I need to find a file by content, I use Agent
Ransack. Works very well, but searches can take a long time, since it
has to examine within each file.
https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/
I never use Window's built-in search or Copilot.
[Search] Everything can also search within files by using its Search -> >Advanced Search menu. That way, you only need 1 tool instead of 2.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
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X-No-Archive: yes
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Google left Usenet back in Feb 2024, so that header became meaningless
since Google was the only Usenet provider that honored it. It has
always been pointless with other NNTP providers, NNTP clients, Usenet
archive sites, and web-based forums using NNTP-to-HTTP gateways.
On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 20:06:00 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote: >>Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless >>information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and answer >>session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and search for
it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it wasn't there, it
was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and saved
it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a simpler way
to find a file.
been using agent ransack since xp days . . .
https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/
In Windows 10 you can do basically the same thing that was done in >XP,..............Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then savedd it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless >>>> information.
Open the file manager, look on the right end of the location window.
ie mine currently says ThisPC> Window(C)................
There is a box that when all of, or part of a name is enter it will
search the follder for thattext in then file names.
My search need are minimal and the native search is adequate for my needs.
On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 01:00:09 -0600, VanguardLH wrote :
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I didn't check, but you can check the headers in these Usenet archives.
<https://tinyurl.com/nova-alt-comp-os-windows-10>
I created that link for the world to use because I'm purposefully helpful. And because everything I do is for the benefit of everyone; not just me.
[]
Note: I had also created, more than a decade ago, the prior link:
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>
but that no longer works (apparently) due to that web site domain issues.
Everything I do is for everyone to benefit from my kind-hearted efforts. E.g., see also: <https://tinyurl.com/nova-alt-comp-os-windows-11>
On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 18:47:28 +0000, D <noreply@mixmin.net> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 20:06:00 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and
then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless
information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and answer
session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and search for
it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it wasn't there, it
was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and saved
it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a simpler way
to find a file.
been using agent ransack since xp days . . .
https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/
Yes, I might have to instal that.
But when the operating system disables basic operations that it used
to include, and wastes one's time with stpid bells and whistles, one
starts looking for pirate versions of the old ones that did work.
On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 14:06:48 -0500, knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In Windows 10 you can do basically the same thing that was done inSteve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and >>>>> then savedd it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a
search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless >>>>> information.
XP,..............
Open the file manager, look on the right end of the location window.
ie mine currently says ThisPC> Window(C)................
There is a box that when all of, or part of a name is enter it will
search the follder for thattext in then file names.
That's exactly what CoPilot told me, after 10 Questions and answers.
But if I knew which folder it was in, I wouldn't be searching for the
file. Win XP and Win 7 search box would give me a list of files with
similar names. Win 10 doesn't, it just takes me to bloody Bing or
CoPilot, neither of which can tell me what I want to know.
So what I want top known is if there is any way I can get the search
box on Windows 10 to search for files on my disk and not give me theb runaround.
Thanks to all those who have recommended 3rd-party utilities (they are utilities, not apps) like Agent Ransack and Everything. I suppose I
may have to use them to work around the reduced functionality of
Windows 10 and 11.
Though I managed to open the editor, and save the file to a location I specified, I still don't know where the original file is. I now want
to delete it from wherever it is.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Nil <rednoise9@rednoise9.invalid> wrote:
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken
on long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I use Voidtools Everything search for finding files by file name,
which is 99% of my searches. It returns results almost
instantaneously. It's maybe my most-used utility.
For the few times I need to find a file by content, I use Agent
Ransack.
[Search] Everything can also search within files by using its Search
Advanced Search menu.
How, when it can't even search for file names and goes straight to
Bing?
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652
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been using agent ransack since xp days . . .
https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/
Yes, I might have to instal that.
But when the operating system disables basic operations that it used
to include, and wastes one's time with stpid bells and whistles, one
starts looking for pirate versions of the old ones that did work.
On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 20:06:00 +0200, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
Is there a way to search for files in Win 10 without being taken on
long detours by Bing or CoPilot?
I collected a lot of text from the web intio a dile for research, and >>>then saved it.
When I wanted to copy it, it wasn't where I expected it to be.
In Win XP or 7 I can just enter all or part of the file name into a >>>search box, and it is found. But in Win 10, but comes Big with useless >>>information.
It suggested CoPilot could help, and after a long question and answer >>>session suggested I go to the folder where the file was and search for
it there, which was exactly where I had started -- it wasn't there, it >>>was somewhere else.
Eventually I called it up in the program I'd saved it from and saved
it to a flash drive from there, but surely there must be a simpler way
to find a file.
been using agent ransack since xp days . . .
https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/
Yes, I might have to instal that.
But when the operating system disables basic operations that it used
to include, and wastes one's time with stpid bells and whistles, one
starts looking for pirate versions of the old ones that did work.
That's exactly what CoPilot told me, after 10 Questions and answers.
But if I knew which folder it was in, I wouldn't be searching for the
file. Win XP and Win 7 search box would give me a list of files with
similar names. Win 10 doesn't, it just takes me to bloody Bing or
CoPilot, neither of which can tell me what I want to know.
So what I want top known is if there is any way I can get the search
box on Windows 10 to search for files on my disk and not give me theb
runaround.
Thanks to all those who have recommended 3rd-party utilities (they are
utilities, not apps) like Agent Ransack and Everything. I suppose I
may have to use them to work around the reduced functionality of
Windows 10 and 11.
Though I managed to open the editor, and save the file to a location I
specified, I still don't know where the original file is. I now want
to delete it from wherever it is.
You should have used the File Explorer search box.
For example, if using the Start : Run box or using the Command Prompt window:
<prompt> explorer.exe %userprofile%\Downloads
starts a File Explorer window, and points to your Downloads folder.
Now, go to the upper right corner and enter your search.
I don't remember a time when Windows search was worth
trying. Today they're trying to turn it into a shopping helper,
but I started using Agent Ransack with XP, too. I did it because
Windows search was undependable and couldn't look inside
CAB files. CAB files, a Microsoft standard format, contain a
file list in plain text. It wasn't unusual to install some kind of
hardware and have Windows tell me it needs xyz.dll, which I
would then search the install CABs to find. But as I recall, even
the file search was shit (and came with that annoying puppy
cartoon).
I never tried Windows search again. It's one of the first things
I disable/remove, along with indexing. I don't need a feeble,
useless tool wasting SSD writes. And Win10 search wastes a
ridiculous amount of resources, even when it's not doing anything.
I also came across a clever little ditty to stop that. After removing
the Search bar, turning off the service, etc, there's still a search
process taking some 200MB RAM for no reason. If you kill it,
Background Tasks service starts it up again! If you disable BT then
things don't go well at all. I ended up with Windows "strobing". I
had to get into the Registry in between dark cycles to re-enable
BT and reboot.
(I got adventurous when I first tried installing
Win10, figuring that I could afford to mess it up in the interest of
science because I made disk images and was still in early tweaking
mode. It was still a long way from being a usable system. So there
was little to lose if I screwed up. I kind of wish now that I'd got more adventurous. The amount of crap in Win10/11 is amazing. The amount
of obfuscation is amazing. Just look at the folder path to the
SearchApp. SystemApps is about 200MB. Does any of it deserve to
live? That's hard to know. I expect I can do without the "PeopleExeprienceHost" and dozens of other things, but I had to
stop digging sometime.)
The following, run as a BAT file, kills search, then immediately
renames the folder. So when BT tries to restart it, it's gone. :)
taskkill /f /im SearchApp.exe
timeout /T 1
move %windir%\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.Search_cw5n1h2txyewy %windir%\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.Search_cw5n1h2txyewy.old
(The last bit starting with move is all one line.)
My problem has been that the Windows Search Service didn't always remain disabled.
In the past, I had the same problem with the Device Management WAP Push message Routing Service.
Back then, Paul posted the command to delete that service, so I decided
to do the same with the Windows Search Service.
But what if the file isn't in my Downloads folder?
What if I want it to search all partitions and subdirectories on my
hard drive?
The old Win XP and Win 7 search box would do that.
On 1/20/2025 10:29 AM, Allan Higdon wrote:
My problem has been that the Windows Search Service didn't always remain
disabled.
In the past, I had the same problem with the Device Management WAP Push
message Routing Service.
Back then, Paul posted the command to delete that service, so I decided
to do the same with the Windows Search Service.
I think that I must have always had search disabled. I don't
remember it getting re-enabled, but I did notice that Background
Tasks Infrastructure would restart it. I'm teempted to just delete
the folder it's in, but I don't understand the details well enough
to start weeding systemapps.
I haven't heard of deleting services, though I suppose maybe
one could just delete the Registry key? I have noticed an odd
thing over time. It seems that not all services in the Registry
show in the complete list in the Services window. And things
sometimes disappear.
On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 07:45:01 -0600, Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
I don't remember a time when Windows search was worth
trying. Today they're trying to turn it into a shopping helper,
but I started using Agent Ransack with XP, too. I did it because
Windows search was undependable and couldn't look inside
CAB files. CAB files, a Microsoft standard format, contain a
file list in plain text. It wasn't unusual to install some kind of
hardware and have Windows tell me it needs xyz.dll, which I
would then search the install CABs to find. But as I recall, even
the file search was shit (and came with that annoying puppy
cartoon).
I never tried Windows search again. It's one of the first things
I disable/remove, along with indexing. I don't need a feeble,
useless tool wasting SSD writes. And Win10 search wastes a
ridiculous amount of resources, even when it's not doing anything.
I also came across a clever little ditty to stop that. After removing >> the Search bar, turning off the service, etc, there's still a search
process taking some 200MB RAM for no reason. If you kill it,
Background Tasks service starts it up again! If you disable BT then
things don't go well at all. I ended up with Windows "strobing". I
had to get into the Registry in between dark cycles to re-enable
BT and reboot.
(I got adventurous when I first tried installing
Win10, figuring that I could afford to mess it up in the interest of
science because I made disk images and was still in early tweaking
mode. It was still a long way from being a usable system. So there
was little to lose if I screwed up. I kind of wish now that I'd got more
adventurous. The amount of crap in Win10/11 is amazing. The amount
of obfuscation is amazing. Just look at the folder path to the
SearchApp. SystemApps is about 200MB. Does any of it deserve to
live? That's hard to know. I expect I can do without the
"PeopleExeprienceHost" and dozens of other things, but I had to
stop digging sometime.)
The following, run as a BAT file, kills search, then immediately
renames the folder. So when BT tries to restart it, it's gone. :)
taskkill /f /im SearchApp.exe
timeout /T 1
move %windir%\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.Search_cw5n1h2txyewy
%windir%\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.Search_cw5n1h2txyewy.old
(The last bit starting with move is all one line.)
I appreciate the BAT file to kill the Search App.
My problem has been that the Windows Search Service didn't always remain disabled.
In the past, I had the same problem with the Device Management WAP Push message Routing Service.
Back then, Paul posted the command to delete that service, so I decided to do the same with the Windows Search Service.
On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 00:50:29 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:
[Search] Everything can also search within files by using its
Search -> Advanced Search menu. That way, you only need 1 tool
instead of 2.
How, when it can't even search for file names and goes straight to
Bing?
On 20 Jan 2025, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 00:50:29 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:
[Search] Everything can also search within files by using its
Search -> Advanced Search menu. That way, you only need 1 tool
instead of 2.
How, when it can't even search for file names and goes straight to
Bing?
It doesn't do that. If Everything takes you to Bing on a search, you've
got some major system problems.
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On 20 Jan 2025, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in >alt.comp.os.windows-10:
On Sun, 19 Jan 2025 00:50:29 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:
[Search] Everything can also search within files by using its
Search -> Advanced Search menu. That way, you only need 1 tool
instead of 2.
How, when it can't even search for file names and goes straight to
Bing?
It doesn't do that. If Everything takes you to Bing on a search, you've
got some major system problems.
My need to search for files was that I saved something in an
editor program (RoughDraft) and didn't know where it had put it,
when I wanted to copy it to a USB flash drive to put on another
computer.
Eventually found where it had put the file: in c:\system32
It seems a very strange place to store data files.
On 20 Feb 2025, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10:
My need to search for files was that I saved something in an
editor program (RoughDraft) and didn't know where it had put it,
when I wanted to copy it to a USB flash drive to put on another
computer.
Eventually found where it had put the file: in c:\system32
It seems a very strange place to store data files.
That is very strange. That location is protected by the OS and normally
will force you to explicitly give administrator permission to save/move/copy/delete files there. User programs shouldn't suggest
saving files anywhere near there.
Nil wrote:
On 20 Feb 2025, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:
My need to search for files was that I saved something in an
editor program (RoughDraft) and didn't know where it had put it,
when I wanted to copy it to a USB flash drive to put on another
computer.
Eventually found where it had put the file: in c:\system32
It seems a very strange place to store data files.
That is very strange. That location is protected by the OS and normally
will force you to explicitly give administrator permission to
save/move/copy/delete files there. User programs shouldn't suggest
saving files anywhere near there.
The problem is really the way that programs are designed. Typically they have file open, file save, file save as, file close, file quit, etc. and each program then has its own GUI for locating the place where the file should be saved.
But every OS has a file manager, and clearly this is the best tool with which to navigate the file system.
So programs should save all that effort and call the file manager, rather than doing (often badly) the file management for themselves.
Using System32 might happen when a program is run as Administrator.
For example, if the launch methodology involves cmd.exe and
being launched as Administrator, the working directory could be >C:\Windows\System32 in that case. It varies with OS and situation
as to how some of the shell launches handle this now.
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 18:34:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>The "lost files" problem, usually from my not paying attention while
wrote:
Using System32 might happen when a program is run as Administrator.
For example, if the launch methodology involves cmd.exe and
being launched as Administrator, the working directory could be
C:\Windows\System32 in that case. It varies with OS and situation
as to how some of the shell launches handle this now.
I managed to find the files, using the program that had created them,
and used "Save As" to save them in a more accessible location, which
the program seems to have now memorised as a default location to save
files.
But it probably explains why I couldn't find them while searching, or
looking with a file management program
.
Paul wrote on 2/24/2025 4:34 PM:
On Mon, 2/24/2025 5:01 PM, Graham J wrote:MIght be reasonable to consider the age of the program when also speculating on the default or possible related Windows programs/utilities used when launching or saving.
Nil wrote:
On 20 Feb 2025, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:
My need to search for files was that I saved something in an
editor program (RoughDraft) and didn't know where it had put it,
when I wanted to copy it to a USB flash drive to put on another
computer.
Eventually found where it had put the file: in c:\system32
It seems a very strange place to store data files.
That is very strange. That location is protected by the OS and normally >>>> will force you to explicitly give administrator permission to
save/move/copy/delete files there. User programs shouldn't suggest
saving files anywhere near there.
The problem is really the way that programs are designed. Typically they have file open, file save, file save as, file close, file quit, etc. and each program then has its own GUI for locating the place where the file should be saved.
But every OS has a file manager, and clearly this is the best tool with which to navigate the file system.
So programs should save all that effort and call the file manager, rather than doing (often badly) the file management for themselves.
Using System32 might happen when a program is run as Administrator.
For example, if the launch methodology involves cmd.exe and
being launched as Administrator, the working directory could be
C:\Windows\System32 in that case. It varies with OS and situation
as to how some of the shell launches handle this now.
Paul
RoughDraft's last/latest version was in April 2005(approxh 20 yrs ago, XP era -initial release was in 2001, Widows ME era).
Doubtful its medieval era installer was looking for ProgramData or maybe even configuration of a default save folder in a userprofile or or configuration of environment variables.
Paul wrote on 2/24/2025 4:34 PM:
Using System32 might happen when a program is run as Administrator.MIght be reasonable to consider the age of the program when also
For example, if the launch methodology involves cmd.exe and
being launched as Administrator, the working directory could be
C:\Windows\System32 in that case. It varies with OS and situation
as to how some of the shell launches handle this now.
Paul
speculating on the default or possible related Windows programs/utilities >used when launching or saving.
RoughDraft's last/latest version was in April 2005(approxh 20 yrs ago, XP
era -initial release was in 2001, Widows ME era).
Doubtful its medieval era installer was looking for ProgramData ormaybe even configuration of a default save folder in a userprofile or or >configuration of environment variables.
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025 11:49:22 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul wrote on 2/24/2025 4:34 PM:
Using System32 might happen when a program is run as Administrator.MIght be reasonable to consider the age of the program when also
For example, if the launch methodology involves cmd.exe and
being launched as Administrator, the working directory could be
C:\Windows\System32 in that case. It varies with OS and situation
as to how some of the shell launches handle this now.
Paul
speculating on the default or possible related Windows programs/utilities
used when launching or saving.
RoughDraft's last/latest version was in April 2005(approxh 20 yrs ago, XP
era -initial release was in 2001, Widows ME era).
Doubtful its medieval era installer was looking for ProgramData ormaybe even configuration of a default save folder in a userprofile or or
configuration of environment variables.
What is the best way to set paths and environment variables in Win 10?
On 2/24/2025 9:39 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 18:34:20 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>The "lost files" problem, usually from my not paying attention while
wrote:
Using System32 might happen when a program is run as Administrator.
For example, if the launch methodology involves cmd.exe and
being launched as Administrator, the working directory could be
C:\Windows\System32 in that case. It varies with OS and situation
as to how some of the shell launches handle this now.
I managed to find the files, using the program that had created them,
and used "Save As" to save them in a more accessible location, which
the program seems to have now memorised as a default location to save
files.
But it probably explains why I couldn't find them while searching, or
looking with a file management program
.
saving file, is why I installed the Everything program which is free and
is found at https://www.voidtools.com/
As long as I remember even part of the filename it finds it even when
the Microsoft search methods fail.
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