I've been trying to get my old pc(XP-Win7) and new pc (Win11) talking
to each other (sharing files). Been reading all kinds of tips and
how-to, one from PC Magazine looked helpful. It had me checking
bunches of stuff on Win11 to do with Networks. This was hard because
their directions were sadly out of date and I had to find the new way
to look at/check what they were talking about. After a couple hours of fighting it, they FINALLY told me that to get my
home-office-file-sharing network working, I needed to be signed in to
my MicroSoft Account (to use ClientForMicrosoftNetworks I guess). And
gave me directions to change my sign-on over to "sign on with a
MicroSoft account instead"
I went to a lot of trouble to get Win11 installed WITHOUT having to
sign in to a usoft acct every damn time I booted. Is it possible to be
able to establish a MicroSoft account I can only sign into when I want
to – and NOT every damn time I boot? So that maybe I can have a home network only when I want to share files and turn off – sign out, or whatever at all other times?
John B. Smith wrote:
I've been trying to get my old pc(XP-Win7) and new pc (Win11) talking
to each other (sharing files). Been reading all kinds of tips and
how-to, one from PC Magazine looked helpful. It had me checking
bunches of stuff on Win11 to do with Networks. This was hard because
their directions were sadly out of date and I had to find the new way
to look at/check what they were talking about. After a couple hours of
fighting it, they FINALLY told me that to get my
home-office-file-sharing network working, I needed to be signed in to
my MicroSoft Account (to use ClientForMicrosoftNetworks I guess). And
gave me directions to change my sign-on over to "sign on with a
MicroSoft account instead"
I went to a lot of trouble to get Win11 installed WITHOUT having to
sign in to a usoft acct every damn time I booted. Is it possible to be
able to establish a MicroSoft account I can only sign into when I want
to – and NOT every damn time I boot? So that maybe I can have a home
network only when I want to share files and turn off – sign out, or
whatever at all other times?
No, you don't need a Microsoft Account.
There was a recent posting here from Java Jive giving very detailed instructions about networking. Let us know if you can't find it.
In your case the failure is probably that Win XP only supports SMB1 so you will have to enable SMB1 on your Win 11 machine.
In your case the failure is probably that Win XP only supports SMB1 so
you will have to enable SMB1 on your Win 11 machine.
On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 22:42:47 +0000, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk>
wrote:
In your case the failure is probably that Win XP only supports SMB1 soHow do you do that?
you will have to enable SMB1 on your Win 11 machine.
My wife has a Win 11 machine and complains that she can't see my XP
one on our home network.
On Wed, 1/29/2025 5:42 PM, Graham J wrote:
John B. Smith wrote:
I've been trying to get my old pc(XP-Win7) and new pc (Win11) talking
to each other (sharing files). Been reading all kinds of tips and
how-to, one from PC Magazine looked helpful. It had me checking
bunches of stuff on Win11 to do with Networks. This was hard because
their directions were sadly out of date and I had to find the new way
to look at/check what they were talking about. After a couple hours of
fighting it, they FINALLY told me that to get my
home-office-file-sharing network working, I needed to be signed in to
my MicroSoft Account (to use ClientForMicrosoftNetworks I guess). And
gave me directions to change my sign-on over to "sign on with a
MicroSoft account instead"
I went to a lot of trouble to get Win11 installed WITHOUT having to
sign in to a usoft acct every damn time I booted. Is it possible to be
able to establish a MicroSoft account I can only sign into when I want
to – and NOT every damn time I boot? So that maybe I can have a home
network only when I want to share files and turn off – sign out, or
whatever at all other times?
No, you don't need a Microsoft Account.
There was a recent posting here from Java Jive giving very detailed instructions about networking. Let us know if you can't find it.
In your case the failure is probably that Win XP only supports SMB1 so you will have to enable SMB1 on your Win 11 machine.
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Paul
In search box type -> Features
Select 'Turn Windows Features on or off' click on Open
- the dialog box will open showing the features to configure
Scroll down to SMB 1.0/CFS File Sharing, then click the + sign to
expand the category
- uncheck SMB 1.0/CIFS Autoremoval
- check SMB 1.0/CIFS Client
- check SMB 1.0/CIFS Server
When I try to open Asus123 (from Win7 on the old computer) it wants a username and password. I never created any such thing in my Win11
thrashing, far as I know. I tried the router password-no help (and
wasn't sure of username anyway).
crasso@nycap.rr.com wrote:
[snip]
When I try to open Asus123 (from Win7 on the old computer) it wants a
username and password. I never created any such thing in my Win11
thrashing, far as I know. I tried the router password-no help (and
wasn't sure of username anyway).
Generally, every computer on your network needs at least one account
with a username and password. Ideally there should be at least two
accounts "Admin" (with full permissions for installing drivers and the
like) and "Standard User" (with limited permissions for all everyday work).
Follow the instructions posted here recently by Java Jive.
Follow the instructions posted here recently by Java Jive.
I did a search for him on my Agent but what I came up with is his
advice on crafting router settings. I'm not confident enough to mess
with settings in my cable modem. Did he say anything else? I kinda
need to be talked down to. Lots of gurus don't have the patience.
My Admin identities don't have passwords. Is that what the Network is
asking for?
John B Smith wrote:
[snip]
Follow the instructions posted here recently by Java Jive.
I did a search for him on my Agent but what I came up with is his
advice on crafting router settings. I'm not confident enough to mess
with settings in my cable modem. Did he say anything else? I kinda
need to be talked down to. Lots of gurus don't have the patience.
My Admin identities don't have passwords. Is that what the Network is
asking for?
Yes.
Java Jive posted in a.c.o.Windows-11 as follows:
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Windows Sharing Instructions
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IMO, M$'s default sharing arrangements have always been dangerously
insecure. What follows is the comparatively secure
way that I've always set up sharing, ever since Windows 2000.
Note: These are W7 instructions only, other versions of Windows will >obviously be similar but not exactly the same, because of M$'
pointless and idiotic habit of hiding all the control levers in
different places with every new edition of Windows, thus forcing
people continually to relearn everything they've known for years. (Can
you imagine the catastrophic chaos that would result on the roads if
car manufacturers decided to do that?).
In what follows, I assume that you want to create shares on each PC
visible to others, and that none are work PCs authenticating to a domain >controller server.
On each PC:
1) Go into ...
Control Panel, All Control Panel Items,System,
Advanced system settings, Computer Name, Change
... and ensure that name and workgroup are changed to something
memorable from the defaults, and that the latter is the same for all
the machines that you wish to share files together.
2) Any user wishing to access a share on a PC must have a user
account on that PC, so set up the necessary accounts up on each PC,
giving them the same logon user id and password as they normally use on
their own PC. (If on a particular PC you want a user only to be able
to access a share, but not be able to sign on to it, you still need
his/her account to exist, but then it must be added to a block list in
that PC's security policy - however, this may not be possible on
some lower cost editions of Windows, and is beyond the scope of these
notes).
3) Go into ...
Control Panel, All Control Panel Items,
Network and Sharing Center, Advanced sharing settings
... and set the following:
Network discovery
Probably on, unless reason otherwise;
File and printer sharing
Probably on, unless reason otherwise;
Public folder sharing
Probably off, unless reason otherwise;
Media streaming
Probably off, unless reason otherwise;
File sharing connections
Use 128-bit, unless reason otherwise;
Password protected sharing
Turn on;
HomeGroup connections
Use user accounts and passwords.
4) On each directory or drive of each machine that you want to
share, creating subdirectories for this as required ...
<rt-click>, Share with,
Advanced sharing, Advanced sharing;
Select Share this folder;
Type a suitable share name
(Note: ending it with a '$' will hide it from
users casually browsing from other Windows PCs,
but Linux users may still see it via Samba);
Type a suitable comment, if required;
Click Permissions, remove the relatively insecure
default permissions offered, and then click ...
Add, Advanced, Find Now
... and by <click>ing and <ctrl-click>ing select and add
the following:
Admininstrators
System
Authenticated Users
... and then give them the following permissions ...
Admininstrators Full Control
System Full Control
Authenticated Users Read or Read/Change
as required
5) If necessary, but DO NOT DO THE FOLLOWING ON THE WINDOWS FOLDER OR >OTHER SYSTEM FOLDERS (hopefully you're not trying to share these anyway,
not normally recommended) including user folders but sub-directories of
the latter that you've created especially to share are perfectly safe ...
<rt-click> the drive or directory being shared
and select ...
Properties
Security
... and ensure the above permissions are replicated on the drive or
folder itself.
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Hope this helps.
As I noted previously, nothing modern will see or be seen by XP unless
SMB1 is enabled on the more modern devices.
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