Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something
goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced
me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free, even if you have the last free version (which I have and which I think is also available on Geeks) -- because it wants your email address to send you a code and when they do
email you, there is no code, only a link to a page where you can buy it. However I had the email they sent me with a code 3 years ago, and it
also gave a link where I could change my communication preferences. That
page was still there. And both the page and the email showed what email address I had used at the time, and the combination of proper email
address and old code let it install. Save your old email!!
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Cloning+a+disk#Cloningadisk-0
says "Important
Windows cannot boot from a USB-connected drive. This is a restriction
imposed by Microsoft. If you clone your system disk to a USB-connected external drive then, to boot your clone, the physical disk must be
removed from the USB caddy and attached internally." I can't very
easily do that with a laptop, especially with a 5 1/4" drive. Is this actually true? Still true?? The page that says it was "Last modified
by Macrium Software on Dec 05, 2022" Was it true 2 years ago?
Lots of people on the web say otherwise now, for example, from December
of 2013 (13!!!): "You need to enable booting from non-EFI devices. This option can be found in most BIOSs called the Compatibility Support
Module or CSM. This option is sometimes hidden until you disable Secure
Boot. I've also seen it hidden until Fast Boot is disabled. Once you
enable the CSM module and set it to boot EFI + Legacy boot devices you shouldn't have any trouble booting your USB device."
Sent from the new laptop, so I'm making progress. One big advantage of Forte Agent is that it only needs to be copied in, doesn't have to be installed.
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something
goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced
me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free, even if you have the last free version (which I have and which I think is also available on Geeks) -- because it wants your email address to send you a code and when they do
email you, there is no code, only a link to a page where you can buy it. However I had the email they sent me with a code 3 years ago, and it
also gave a link where I could change my communication preferences. That
page was still there. And both the page and the email showed what email address I had used at the time, and the combination of proper email
address and old code let it install. Save your old email!!
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:27:20 -0600, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something
goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced
me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free, even if you have the last free
version (which I have and which I think is also available on Geeks) --
because it wants your email address to send you a code and when they do
email you, there is no code, only a link to a page where you can buy it.
However I had the email they sent me with a code 3 years ago, and it
also gave a link where I could change my communication preferences. That
page was still there. And both the page and the email showed what email
address I had used at the time, and the combination of proper email
address and old code let it install. Save your old email!!
During the install, the License key is filled in.
After agreeing to Personal Use, deselect "Register this installation".
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Cloning+a+disk#Cloningadisk-0
says "Important
Windows cannot boot from a USB-connected drive. This is a restriction
imposed by Microsoft. If you clone your system disk to a USB-connected external drive then, to boot your clone, the physical disk must be
removed from the USB caddy and attached internally." I can't very
easily do that with a laptop, especially with a 5 1/4" drive. Is this actually true? Still true?? The page that says it was "Last modified
by Macrium Software on Dec 05, 2022" Was it true 2 years ago?
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 15 Feb 2025 04:51:04 -0600, "Allan
Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:27:20 -0600, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something
goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced
me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free, even if you have the last free
version (which I have and which I think is also available on Geeks) --
because it wants your email address to send you a code and when they do
email you, there is no code, only a link to a page where you can buy it. >>> However I had the email they sent me with a code 3 years ago, and it
also gave a link where I could change my communication preferences. That >>> page was still there. And both the page and the email showed what email >>> address I had used at the time, and the combination of proper email
address and old code let it install. Save your old email!!
During the install, the License key is filled in.
After agreeing to Personal Use, deselect "Register this installation".
It's installed on my new computer now, and it works, so it's too late to
see if this would have been simpler than what I did, but there are lots
of other people online saying that the free version no longer exists,
and afaict no one saying otherwise. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Macrium+Reflect+Free+is+no+longer+free
It's good that I kept my code from 3 years ago. When I first tried to install MRF, it insisted on a valid email address and, after I got the email**, a code. I think it would have the last, the successful time too except I had already entered them.
**The email said "Please use the following link to receive a
registration code. https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree " but the link
was not personalized for me, and it did not provide a code, just
information about "30-Day Free Trial"s.
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 07:42:50 -0600, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 15 Feb 2025 04:51:04 -0600, "Allan
Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:27:20 -0600, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something >>>> goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced >>>> me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free, even if you have the last free >>>> version (which I have and which I think is also available on Geeks) -- >>>> because it wants your email address to send you a code and when they do >>>> email you, there is no code, only a link to a page where you can buy it. >>>> However I had the email they sent me with a code 3 years ago, and it
also gave a link where I could change my communication preferences. That >>>> page was still there. And both the page and the email showed what email >>>> address I had used at the time, and the combination of proper email
address and old code let it install. Save your old email!!
During the install, the License key is filled in.
After agreeing to Personal Use, deselect "Register this installation".
It's installed on my new computer now, and it works, so it's too late to
see if this would have been simpler than what I did, but there are lots
of other people online saying that the free version no longer exists,
and afaict no one saying otherwise.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Macrium+Reflect+Free+is+no+longer+free
It's good that I kept my code from 3 years ago. When I first tried to
install MRF, it insisted on a valid email address and, after I got the
email**, a code. I think it would have the last, the successful time too
except I had already entered them.
**The email said "Please use the following link to receive a
registration code. https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree " but the link
was not personalized for me, and it did not provide a code, just
information about "30-Day Free Trial"s.
I had no problem installing Macrium Free (v8.0.7783).
Since there's a License key filled in for the Free version, you can deselect "Register this installation",
and the install can continue without any email address or code to enter.
On 2/14/2025 10:27 PM, micky wrote:
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Cloning+a+disk#Cloningadisk-0
says "Important
Windows cannot boot from a USB-connected drive. This is a restriction imposed by Microsoft. If you clone your system disk to a USB-connected external drive then, to boot your clone, the physical disk must be
removed from the USB caddy and attached internally." I can't very
easily do that with a laptop, especially with a 5 1/4" drive. Is this actually true? Still true?? The page that says it was "Last modified
by Macrium Software on Dec 05, 2022" Was it true 2 years ago?
I don't understand the issue here. Whatever imaging program
you use should be on a CD or USB stick, from which you boot,
writing the image to a non-C:\ partition or disk. So why do you
need to boot Windows from a USB caddy?
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 15 Feb 2025 10:58:43 -0600, "Allan
Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 07:42:50 -0600, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 15 Feb 2025 04:51:04 -0600, "Allan
Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:27:20 -0600, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>>
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something >>>>> goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced >>>>> me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free, even if you have the last free >>>>> version (which I have and which I think is also available on Geeks) -- >>>>> because it wants your email address to send you a code and when they do >>>>> email you, there is no code, only a link to a page where you can buy it. >>>>> However I had the email they sent me with a code 3 years ago, and it >>>>> also gave a link where I could change my communication preferences. That >>>>> page was still there. And both the page and the email showed what email >>>>> address I had used at the time, and the combination of proper email
address and old code let it install. Save your old email!!
During the install, the License key is filled in.
After agreeing to Personal Use, deselect "Register this installation".
It's installed on my new computer now, and it works, so it's too late to >>> see if this would have been simpler than what I did, but there are lots
of other people online saying that the free version no longer exists,
and afaict no one saying otherwise.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Macrium+Reflect+Free+is+no+longer+free
It's good that I kept my code from 3 years ago. When I first tried to
install MRF, it insisted on a valid email address and, after I got the
email**, a code. I think it would have the last, the successful time too >>> except I had already entered them.
**The email said "Please use the following link to receive a
registration code. https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree " but the link
was not personalized for me, and it did not provide a code, just
information about "30-Day Free Trial"s.
I had no problem installing Macrium Free (v8.0.7783).
When did you do this? Their policy may have changed. (I'm using the
same version.)
Since there's a License key filled in for the Free version, you can deselect "Register this installation",
and the install can continue without any email address or code to enter.
I think I have it installed on all 3 PC's now, and I don't want to
uninstall just to test this, but.... My firm recollection is that a
line at the top of that box said something like "Register or cancel installation".
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something
goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced
me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free, even if you have the last free
Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
On 2/14/2025 10:27 PM, micky wrote:
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Cloning+a+disk#Cloningadisk-0
says "Important
Windows cannot boot from a USB-connected drive. This is a restriction
imposed by Microsoft. If you clone your system disk to a USB-connected
external drive then, to boot your clone, the physical disk must be
removed from the USB caddy and attached internally." I can't very
easily do that with a laptop, especially with a 5 1/4" drive. Is this
actually true? Still true?? The page that says it was "Last modified >> > by Macrium Software on Dec 05, 2022" Was it true 2 years ago?
I don't understand the issue here. Whatever imaging program
you use should be on a CD or USB stick, from which you boot,
writing the image to a non-C:\ partition or disk. So why do you
need to boot Windows from a USB caddy?
micky is mixing up cloning with (image) backup (and restore). In his
subject he (correctly) talks about "going to backup first", but in his
text, he's talking about cloning (which he should *not* be doing).
Which of the two - image backup or cloning - he is *actually* doing,
we can only guess.
Normally, image backup is the common use and cloning is a rare
exception.
(In my 10 years of using Macrium Reflect (Free), I've never
cloned a disk (or partiotion).)
[...]
micky wrote on 2/16/2025 11:45 AM:
Good to know. It's not too late to replace the clone with an image
backup. No need to keep the clone especially if one can't boot from a
usb-connected drive.
(In my 10 years of using Macrium Reflect (Free), I've never
cloned a disk (or partiotion).)
[...]
To close this out...
Two days ago, a Macrium article you referenced indicated that your
original expectation that a Macrium clone to a USB connected disk was not >bootable media.
i.e. after cloning the primary Windows disk(or its selected partitions)
to a USB connected disk that same USB disk is not a bootable option.
Do you now understand the difference(after input from multiple sources) >between imaging and cloning:
Imaging your Windows partitions -for backup/restore purposes
vs.
Cloning - primarily for one of three options - upgrading[replacing a
disk with a larger one or replacing the disk with a new disk or moving >everything from one computer to another computer
Y/N?
If yes, are you now ready to use Macrium Reflect Free(or any other
Macrium version) to image your disk?
If yes, do you also realized that if you use Macrium to image Windows(and
its 4 GPT partitions) to a USB connected device, that device will also
***not be bootable***. It will be available for restoration(everthing >imaged/all or individaul partitions), restoring/copying individual files,
or just inspection when neeeded?
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 22:27:20 -0500, micky wrote:
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something
goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced
me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free, even if you have the last free
I use "Veeam Agent for Microsoft Windows FREE", and it is battle tested and easy to use, not to mention FREE.
https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html
Any particular reason to prefer Macrium over Veeam Agent?
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 22:27:20 -0500, micky wrote:
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something
goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced
me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free, even if you have the last free
I use "Veeam Agent for Microsoft Windows FREE", and it is battle tested and >easy to use, not to mention FREE.
https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html
Any particular reason to prefer Macrium over Veeam Agent?
So back to Macrium. Which I had to install on the new computer and as
I say in another thread insisted on registration and said it would send
me a link to a code, and the email came, with a link, but the link had
no code, only mention of Trial Version, good for a week or maybe 30 days (with a monthly charge after that!!). Others here say it doesn't insist
on registration, but I remember it doing so, a specific message which
only appeared after I clicked Next, that said roughly, Either register
or cancel. But others here say no, so try it and let us know if you
could install it without giving a code (or an email address probably).
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
So back to Macrium. Which I had to install on the new computer and as
I say in another thread insisted on registration and said it would send
me a link to a code, and the email came, with a link, but the link had
no code, only mention of Trial Version, good for a week or maybe 30 days
(with a monthly charge after that!!). Others here say it doesn't insist
on registration, but I remember it doing so, a specific message which
only appeared after I clicked Next, that said roughly, Either register
or cancel. But others here say no, so try it and let us know if you
could install it without giving a code (or an email address probably).
Paul not only decribed, but also *proved*, complete with umpteen
screenshots, that you can install and use the free version without >registration. Others posted similar information.
So please stop posting your FUD/urban_legends over and over and start
reading!
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 17 Feb 2025 15:06:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]
So back to Macrium. Which I had to install on the new computer and as
I say in another thread insisted on registration and said it would send
me a link to a code, and the email came, with a link, but the link had
no code, only mention of Trial Version, good for a week or maybe 30 days >> (with a monthly charge after that!!). Others here say it doesn't insist >> on registration, but I remember it doing so, a specific message which
only appeared after I clicked Next, that said roughly, Either register
or cancel. But others here say no, so try it and let us know if you
could install it without giving a code (or an email address probably).
Paul not only decribed, but also *proved*, complete with umpteen
screenshots, that you can install and use the free version without >registration. Others posted similar information.
I couldn't come up with a suitable rpely to Paul, but he didh't prove it
to me. If I had taken pictures, it would have shown the opposite.
So please stop posting your FUD/urban_legends over and over and start
reading!
I red all the posts. They don't change what I saw first-hand.
I told Juancho, the person I was replying to, that others disagreed with
me and urged him to try Macrium. I think that was fair. He asked me why
one should prefer Macrium and I don't think it would be right to tell
him only the good part of what happened.
Missing the reason.
The method you used that requested a link via email was unnecessary
when running the installer bits for Version 8.0.7783 or earlier.
No registration is required, no link need be recieved.
You can clear up your confusion by uninstalling MR, reinstalling the free
version(8.0.7783 or earlier) and follow the exact same steps that
multiple persons have referenced or supplied.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 16 Feb 2025 11:21:56 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
On 2/14/2025 10:27 PM, micky wrote:
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Cloning+a+disk#Cloningadisk-0
says "Important
Windows cannot boot from a USB-connected drive. This is a restriction
imposed by Microsoft. If you clone your system disk to a USB-connected >>>> external drive then, to boot your clone, the physical disk must be
removed from the USB caddy and attached internally." I can't very
easily do that with a laptop, especially with a 5 1/4" drive. Is this >>>> actually true? Still true?? The page that says it was "Last modified >>>> by Macrium Software on Dec 05, 2022" Was it true 2 years ago?
I don't understand the issue here. Whatever imaging program
you use should be on a CD or USB stick, from which you boot,
writing the image to a non-C:\ partition or disk. So why do you
need to boot Windows from a USB caddy?
micky is mixing up cloning with (image) backup (and restore). In his
You're right that I still don't understand what it is I would need to
repair things (a clone or a backup?)
On 17/02/2025 5:45 am, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 16 Feb 2025 11:21:56 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
On 2/14/2025 10:27 PM, micky wrote:
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Cloning+a+disk#Cloningadisk-0
says "Important
Windows cannot boot from a USB-connected drive. This is a restriction >>>>> imposed by Microsoft. If you clone your system disk to a USB-connected >>>>> external drive then, to boot your clone, the physical disk must be
removed from the USB caddy and attached internally." I can't very
easily do that with a laptop, especially with a 5 1/4" drive. Is this >>>>> actually true? Still true?? The page that says it was "Last modified >>>>> by Macrium Software on Dec 05, 2022" Was it true 2 years ago?
I don't understand the issue here. Whatever imaging program
you use should be on a CD or USB stick, from which you boot,
writing the image to a non-C:\ partition or disk. So why do you
need to boot Windows from a USB caddy?
micky is mixing up cloning with (image) backup (and restore). In his
You're right that I still don't understand what it is I would need to
repair things (a clone or a backup?)
As I understand it, micky, a clone is an EXACT COPY OF YOUR DRIVE
(programs, data and blank space) whereas a Backup is just a copy of your >Programs and Data.
A Clone of a 4GB drive which contains, say, 1.5GB of Programs and Data
would take up 4GB on your Clone drive .... whereas a (Byte-for-Byte)
Backup of the same drive would only be 1.5GB.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 18 Feb 2025 20:54:24 +1100,says "Important
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 17/02/2025 5:45 am, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 16 Feb 2025 11:21:56 GMT, Frank
Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
On 2/14/2025 10:27 PM, micky wrote:
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Cloning+a+disk#Cloningadisk-0
Windows cannot boot from a USB-connected drive. This is a
restriction imposed by Microsoft. If you clone your system
disk to a USB-connected external drive then, to boot your
clone, the physical disk must be removed from the USB
caddy and attached internally." I can't very easily do
that with a laptop, especially with a 5 1/4" drive. Is
this actually true? Still true?? The page that says it
was "Last modified by Macrium Software on Dec 05, 2022" Was
it true 2 years ago?
I don't understand the issue here. Whatever imaging program
you use should be on a CD or USB stick, from which you boot,
writing the image to a non-C:\ partition or disk. So why do
you need to boot Windows from a USB caddy?
micky is mixing up cloning with (image) backup (and restore).
In his
You're right that I still don't understand what it is I would
need to repair things (a clone or a backup?)
As I understand it, micky, a clone is an EXACT COPY OF YOUR DRIVE
(programs, data and blank space) whereas a Backup is just a copy of
your Programs and Data.
A Clone of a 4GB drive which contains, say, 1.5GB of Programs and
Data would take up 4GB on your Clone drive .... whereas a
(Byte-for-Byte) Backup of the same drive would only be 1.5GB.
I believe the software uwed to insist on clone drives being as big
as the source drive, but they now permit the destination drive to be
only as big as the part of the source that has been used. So in
your example, if you'd only used 2GB of the 4GB and the destination
drive was only 2GB big, that would work too. Indeed, my new laptop
drive is 1T (with much less used) and the destination drive was only
320GB and Macrium did not complain. And if I could install the clone
drive in place of the original drive, the PC would not complain
either.
I believe the software uwed to insist on clone drives being as bigO.K., so your EXPERIENCE is different to my UNDERSTANDING. So be it!!
as the source drive, but they now permit the destination drive to be
only as big as the part of the source that has been used.   So in
your example, if you'd only used 2GB of the 4GB and the destination
drive was only 2GB big, that would work too.  Indeed, my new laptop
drive is 1T (with much less used) and the destination drive was only
320GB and Macrium did not complain. And if I could install the clone
drive in place of the original drive, the PC would not complain
either.
On Thu, 2/20/2025 4:04 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
I believe the software uwed to insist on clone drives being as bigO.K., so your EXPERIENCE is different to my UNDERSTANDING. So be it!!
as the source drive, but they now permit the destination drive to be
only as big as the part of the source that has been used.   So in
your example, if you'd only used 2GB of the 4GB and the destination
drive was only 2GB big, that would work too.  Indeed, my new laptop
drive is 1T (with much less used) and the destination drive was only
320GB and Macrium did not complain. And if I could install the clone
drive in place of the original drive, the PC would not complain
either.
Cloning was originally done at the sector level, using the "disk dump" dd utility. Such a utility laughs at details. The developer does not
have to be very clever, to get a result by doing it that way. The clone copies every flaw.
Later, cloning was done at the cluster/inode level. Only the
busy clusters needed to be copied from one disk to another disk.
As a further refinement, when the user requests that the target
clone be smaller than the source, a combination of "file-by-file"
and "cluster-based" activity makes the clone copy. This allows the
clusters to be packed in, defragmented, and so on. The reserved space
for NTFS, prevents perfect defragmentation from happening.
Those are examples of cloning. Some versions are more magical
than others.
Paul
On 21/02/2025 1:07 am, Paul wrote:
On Thu, 2/20/2025 4:04 AM, Daniel70 wrote:Wasn't there, at one time, an OS which, when formatting a HD, would put some data in the very last sector of the Drive??
I believe the software uwed to insist on clone drives being as bigO.K., so your EXPERIENCE is different to my UNDERSTANDING. So be it!!
as the source drive, but they now permit the destination drive to be
only as big as the part of the source that has been used.   So in
your example, if you'd only used 2GB of the 4GB and the destination
drive was only 2GB big, that would work too.  Indeed, my new laptop >>>> drive is 1T (with much less used) and the destination drive was only
320GB and Macrium did not complain. And if I could install the clone
drive in place of the original drive, the PC would not complain
either.
Cloning was originally done at the sector level, using the "disk dump" dd
utility. Such a utility laughs at details. The developer does not
have to be very clever, to get a result by doing it that way. The clone
copies every flaw.
Later, cloning was done at the cluster/inode level. Only the
busy clusters needed to be copied from one disk to another disk.
As a further refinement, when the user requests that the target
clone be smaller than the source, a combination of "file-by-file"
and "cluster-based" activity makes the clone copy. This allows the
clusters to be packed in, defragmented, and so on. The reserved space
for NTFS, prevents perfect defragmentation from happening.
Those are examples of cloning. Some versions are more magical
than others.
   Paul
Back when hard drives were soft sectored, and you would do an LLF to
write the sector pattern on the disk, yes, there was something critical
at the end of the LLF process, that if it didn't happen, the disk drive
was bricked. I have no idea what that is. I don't recollect reading
about it anywhere.
We lost one drive back in that era, to a power failure of mains, while
we were doing an LLF on a drive. If the LLF didn't get to the end, the
drive would be lost. The reason we were doing LLF, was to change the interleave factor from 3 to 1 (had just received a new/faster controller
for the drives).
After a while, the way disk drives operate, it changed. Today there is
*no* LLF process on your hard drive. None at all.
The power goes off, the heads retract safely, the drive is ready to be detected again later.
On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 09:21:47 -0500, Paul wrote:
There must be a LLF, it just has to be done at the factory.
[snip]
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 13:14:35 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:
micky wrote on 2/16/2025 11:45 AM:
Good to know. It's not too late to replace the clone with an image
backup. No need to keep the clone especially if one can't boot from a
usb-connected drive.
(In my 10 years of using Macrium Reflect (Free), I've never
cloned a disk (or partiotion).)
[...]
To close this out...
Two days ago, a Macrium article you referenced indicated that your >>original expectation that a Macrium clone to a USB connected disk was not >>bootable media.
i.e. after cloning the primary Windows disk(or its selected partitions) >>to a USB connected disk that same USB disk is not a bootable option.
Do you now understand the difference(after input from multiple sources) >>between imaging and cloning:
Imaging your Windows partitions -for backup/restore purposes
vs.
Cloning - primarily for one of three options - upgrading[replacing a
disk with a larger one or replacing the disk with a new disk or moving >>everything from one computer to another computer
Y/N?
If yes, are you now ready to use Macrium Reflect Free(or any other
Macrium version) to image your disk?
If yes, do you also realized that if you use Macrium to image Windows(and >>its 4 GPT partitions) to a USB connected device, that device will also >>***not be bootable***. It will be available for restoration(everthing >>imaged/all or individaul partitions), restoring/copying individual files, >>or just inspection when neeeded?
When I image the Windows disk, I image the entire disk rather than
selected partitions. I do that for two main reasons:
1. Doing so adds only a trivial amount of data & time to the backup.
2. Doing so gives me the ability to write that image to a disk that then >becomes bootable.
I haven't been following micky's story closely, so I don't know if my >approach would work for him.
micky wrote on 2/16/2025 11:45 AM:
Good to know. It's not too late to replace the clone with an image
backup. No need to keep the clone especially if one can't boot from a
usb-connected drive.
(In my 10 years of using Macrium Reflect (Free), I've never
cloned a disk (or partiotion).)
[...]
To close this out...
Two days ago, a Macrium article you referenced indicated that your
original expectation that a Macrium clone to a USB connected disk was not >bootable media.
i.e. after cloning the primary Windows disk(or its selected partitions)
to a USB connected disk that same USB disk is not a bootable option.
Do you now understand the difference(after input from multiple sources) >between imaging and cloning:
Imaging your Windows partitions -for backup/restore purposes
vs.
Cloning - primarily for one of three options - upgrading[replacing a
disk with a larger one or replacing the disk with a new disk or moving >everything from one computer to another computer
Y/N?
If yes, are you now ready to use Macrium Reflect Free(or any other
Macrium version) to image your disk?
If yes, do you also realized that if you use Macrium to image Windows(and
its 4 GPT partitions) to a USB connected device, that device will also
***not be bootable***. It will be available for restoration(everthing >imaged/all or individaul partitions), restoring/copying individual files,
or just inspection when neeeded?
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 16 Feb 2025 17:53:11 -0600, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:
When I image the Windows disk, I image the entire disk rather than
selected partitions. I do that for two main reasons:
1. Doing so adds only a trivial amount of data & time to the backup.
For sure.
2. Doing so gives me the ability to write that image to a disk that then >>becomes bootable.
This part I don't understand. What good is a disk that becomes
bootable if one can't boot from a USB drive anyhow. Are you talking
about taking that bootable disk and inserting it in the computer?
If so, why isnt' a clone good for that too.
On Sat, 2/15/2025 11:34 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 15 Feb 2025 10:58:43 -0600, "Allan
Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 07:42:50 -0600, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 15 Feb 2025 04:51:04 -0600, "Allan
Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:27:20 -0600, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >>>>>It's installed on my new computer now, and it works, so it's too late to >>>> see if this would have been simpler than what I did, but there are lots >>>> of other people online saying that the free version no longer exists,
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something >>>>>> goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced >>>>>> me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free, even if you have the last free >>>>>> version (which I have and which I think is also available on Geeks) -- >>>>>> because it wants your email address to send you a code and when they do >>>>>> email you, there is no code, only a link to a page where you can buy it. >>>>>> However I had the email they sent me with a code 3 years ago, and it >>>>>> also gave a link where I could change my communication preferences. That >>>>>> page was still there. And both the page and the email showed what email >>>>>> address I had used at the time, and the combination of proper email >>>>>> address and old code let it install. Save your old email!!
During the install, the License key is filled in.
After agreeing to Personal Use, deselect "Register this installation". >>>>
and afaict no one saying otherwise.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Macrium+Reflect+Free+is+no+longer+free
It's good that I kept my code from 3 years ago. When I first tried to >>>> install MRF, it insisted on a valid email address and, after I got the >>>> email**, a code. I think it would have the last, the successful time too >>>> except I had already entered them.
**The email said "Please use the following link to receive a
registration code. https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree " but the link >>>> was not personalized for me, and it did not provide a code, just
information about "30-Day Free Trial"s.
I had no problem installing Macrium Free (v8.0.7783).
When did you do this? Their policy may have changed. (I'm using the
same version.)
Since there's a License key filled in for the Free version, you can deselect "Register this installation",
and the install can continue without any email address or code to enter.
I think I have it installed on all 3 PC's now, and I don't want to
uninstall just to test this, but.... My firm recollection is that a
line at the top of that box said something like "Register or cancel
installation".
I have the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of that installer on disk.
There is no monkey business, no arm twisting, no need to add a code
at all. Just click the boxes and go.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/C58hhGD3/Macrium-Reflect-Free-807783-Install.gif
The last pane in the picture, is not particularly well done, and it
is there just to show "the program launched". It's not a beauty contest
because I resized it to line up with the size of the other pictures.
I used Irfanview panorama to make a film strip of them.
Install was done on W11, in VMWare, to avoid polluting my DailyDriver
in any way. Push the button, it is all gone.
Paul
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something
goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced
me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free,
even if you have the last free
version (which I have and which I think is also available on Geeks) -- because it wants your email address to send you a code and when they do
email you, there is no code, only a link to a page where you can buy it. However I had the email they sent me with a code 3 years ago, and it
also gave a link where I could change my communication preferences. That
page was still there. And both the page and the email showed what email address I had used at the time, and the combination of proper email
address and old code let it install. Save your old email!!
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Cloning+a+disk#Cloningadisk-0
says "Important
Windows cannot boot from a USB-connected drive. This is a restriction
imposed by Microsoft. If you clone your system disk to a USB-connected external drive then, to boot your clone, the physical disk must be
removed from the USB caddy and attached internally." I can't very
easily do that with a laptop, especially with a 5 1/4" drive. Is this actually true? Still true?? The page that says it was "Last modified
by Macrium Software on Dec 05, 2022" Was it true 2 years ago?
Lots of people on the web say otherwise now, for example, from December
of 2013 (13!!!): "You need to enable booting from non-EFI devices. This option can be found in most BIOSs called the Compatibility Support
Module or CSM. This option is sometimes hidden until you disable Secure
Boot. I've also seen it hidden until Fast Boot is disabled. Once you
enable the CSM module and set it to boot EFI + Legacy boot devices you shouldn't have any trouble booting your USB device."
Sent from the new laptop, so I'm making progress. One big advantage of Forte Agent is that it only needs to be copied in, doesn't have to be installed.
I've just downloaded "Macrium Reflect Free" from ...reflect-download-bing.html&utm_content=Clone
https://www.4ddig.net/hard-drive/macrium-reflect-download-bing.html?msclkid=c898927954f218c15ca6fa4c957eddca&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Partition_EN_Search_Bing_DSA_S_PID7386&utm_term=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.4ddig.net%2Fhard-drive%2Fmacrium-
and part of its Installation Agreement includes ....
"You may use unregistered version of this Software as long as you wish.
If you wish to use 4DDiG Partition Manager without functional
limitations, you MUST register it."
I expect to just be using its Basic Back-up Function. Do you know
something I'm about to find out??
On 15/02/2025 2:27 pm, micky wrote:reflect-download-bing.html&utm_content=Clone
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something
goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced
me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free,
I've just downloaded "Macrium Reflect Free" from ...
https://www.4ddig.net/hard-drive/macrium-reflect-download-bing.html?msclkid=c898927954f218c15ca6fa4c957eddca&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Partition_EN_Search_Bing_DSA_S_PID7386&utm_term=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.4ddig.net%2Fhard-drive%2Fmacrium-
and part of its Installation Agreement includes ....
"You may use unregistered version of this Software as long as you wish.
If you wish to use 4DDiG Partition Manager without functional limitations, you MUST register it."
I expect to just be using its Basic Back-up Function. Do you know something I'm about to find out??
even if you have the last free
version (which I have and which I think is also available on Geeks) --
because it wants your email address to send you a code and when they do
email you, there is no code, only a link to a page where you can buy it.
However I had the email they sent me with a code 3 years ago, and it
also gave a link where I could change my communication preferences. That
page was still there. And both the page and the email showed what email
address I had used at the time, and the combination of proper email
address and old code let it install. Save your old email!!
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Cloning+a+disk#Cloningadisk-0
says "Important
Windows cannot boot from a USB-connected drive. This is a restriction
imposed by Microsoft. If you clone your system disk to a USB-connected
external drive then, to boot your clone, the physical disk must be
removed from the USB caddy and attached internally."Â I can't very
easily do that with a laptop, especially with a 5 1/4" drive. Is this
actually true?   Still true?? The page that says it was "Last modified >> by Macrium Software on Dec 05, 2022" Was it true 2 years ago?
Lots of people on the web say otherwise now, for example, from December
of 2013Â (13!!!): "You need to enable booting from non-EFI devices. This
option can be found in most BIOSs called the Compatibility Support
Module or CSM. This option is sometimes hidden until you disable Secure
Boot. I've also seen it hidden until Fast Boot is disabled. Once you
enable the CSM module and set it to boot EFI + Legacy boot devices you
shouldn't have any trouble booting your USB device."
Sent from the new laptop, so I'm making progress.  One big advantage of >> Forte Agent is that it only needs to be copied in, doesn't have to be
installed.
On Tue, 5/27/2025 10:16 AM, Daniel70 wrote:reflect-download-bing.html&utm_content=Clone
On 15/02/2025 2:27 pm, micky wrote:
Okay, even though I still don't think I have a lot to lose if something
goes wrong, Newyana's tactful urging and Paul's nagging have convinced
me to backup first.
Macrium Reflect Free is no longer free,
I've just downloaded "Macrium Reflect Free" from ...
https://www.4ddig.net/hard-drive/macrium-reflect-download-bing.html?msclkid=c898927954f218c15ca6fa4c957eddca&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Partition_EN_Search_Bing_DSA_S_PID7386&utm_term=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.4ddig.net%2Fhard-drive%2Fmacrium-
and part of its Installation Agreement includes ....
"You may use unregistered version of this Software as long as you wish.
If you wish to use 4DDiG Partition Manager without functional limitations, you MUST register it."
I expect to just be using its Basic Back-up Function. Do you know something I'm about to find out??
even if you have the last free
version (which I have and which I think is also available on Geeks) --
because it wants your email address to send you a code and when they do
email you, there is no code, only a link to a page where you can buy it. >>> However I had the email they sent me with a code 3 years ago, and it
also gave a link where I could change my communication preferences. That >>> page was still there. And both the page and the email showed what email >>> address I had used at the time, and the combination of proper email
address and old code let it install. Save your old email!!
https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW80/Cloning+a+disk#Cloningadisk-0
says "Important
Windows cannot boot from a USB-connected drive. This is a restriction
imposed by Microsoft. If you clone your system disk to a USB-connected
external drive then, to boot your clone, the physical disk must be
removed from the USB caddy and attached internally."Â I can't very
easily do that with a laptop, especially with a 5 1/4" drive. Is this
actually true?   Still true?? The page that says it was "Last modified
by Macrium Software on Dec 05, 2022" Was it true 2 years ago?
Lots of people on the web say otherwise now, for example, from December
of 2013Â (13!!!): "You need to enable booting from non-EFI devices. This >>> option can be found in most BIOSs called the Compatibility Support
Module or CSM. This option is sometimes hidden until you disable Secure
Boot. I've also seen it hidden until Fast Boot is disabled. Once you
enable the CSM module and set it to boot EFI + Legacy boot devices you
shouldn't have any trouble booting your USB device."
Sent from the new laptop, so I'm making progress.  One big advantage of >>> Forte Agent is that it only needs to be copied in, doesn't have to be
installed.
That's a dodgy-deflection-link. The company seeks to implant a copy of their software, and not the thing they stuffed for SEO purposes, so search engines would pick up the item.
https://www.4ddig.net/hard-drive/macrium-reflect-download-bing.html
A first-grade link, has the company domain in the path. Allan has
given you an example of a quality first-grade link.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/ is fairly good at offering downloads, and
you use the Google box in the upper right of that screen to find things.
You have to stay out of the "Sponsored" section at the top and a link right below that would be a reasonable choice.
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/macrium_reflect_free_edition.html
That site, the advertising is still a mine field, and may require clicking the reload button. But after advancing to the next step, give it a few seconds
to put up the download dialog on the screen. In this particular case, the download is likely to be coming direct from macrium.com . While the majorgeeks
person hosts a lot of archival copies on the site, for high volume
items which are still available, the linkage actually uses the manufacturer site.
*******
Regarding your new computer (24 AIO). It has one SODIMM slot and it comes with
an 8GB SODIMM installed. The maximum memory is to buy a 16GB SODIMM,
unplug the 8GB one and install the 16GB one. The processor cannot handle
more than 16GB and it has only one memory channel. DDR4 SODIMM memory is the type.
Since there is a possibility that manufacturing of DDR4 will stop
at the end of this year, if you have any plans on upgrading the memory,
the plan should be executed before the end of the year arrives.
This utility allows you to review the memory details. Using the last tab over, you can save a copy of a text report, which is capable of giving
even more info.
https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
zip * english \___ portable version
32 or 64-bit version /
Paul
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