XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mail.eudora.ms-window

This problem started off as a Eudora question, but seems to have two
parts now, both of which have windows and internet ramifications. Is
there an active internet/email group, not counting tthe Eudora ng this
is already posted to?

Many people using win11 are stiil happilly using Eudora 7.1.0.9 (Real
Eudora, not with a 3-letter suffix which is a modified version of
Thunderbird, etc.) but I have not been able to fetch or send email since
I copied the files to the new win11 computer. Any ideas so far what the problem is?

1) Like Forte Agent, Eudora will work fine and does not have to be
installed, unless you want to make it the default mail program, or you
want it to start when you click on a mailto or .mbx file. And that's
what I've been doing, just copying the files over, since win3.1, to
win95, to 88SE to Vista, to win10, to win11. But now, the program works
within itself, it loads and displays the already downloaded email, and
you can click on a link in an email and the web browser will open it,
but it won't fetch more email or send any. Its error messages imply
that a connection is made with each of 3 servers, Gmail, Erols/RCN, and Fastmail, but then the connection is broken right away before any mail
is moved.

It's been suggested that an AV or other security program is stopping it.
I'm only using Windows Defender. Or that the firewall is, but I added
an entry in the windows firewall, for both public and private networks.
Or that there is some proxy somewhere, but the Proxy page in Settings
makes no mention of a list of programs, or of Eudora.

At the footnote below is a typical session where I try to send one email
and download from 3 servers.****

2) It is nice if the program is installed, and last night I attempted to
do so uisng the same install file I'mve used 5 or 10 times since 2010. I
got a message that says it is blocked by "an administrator", but I am
the only administrator. No workaround was offered, like a button with
the logo of an administrator on it. I downloaded another copy from a different source, and it too was blocked. Is Eudora on a hit list
somewhere, or perhaps there is something in the file that Windows finds
and used to declare an executablew worthy of being blocked????? I have
a hex-editor if I need to change something.

I tried running the installer as an administrator, with no success. I
tried going into Properties and increasing permissions until everything
was checked. And I tried suspecnding UAC (including restarting windows afterwards) and none of these worked. Finally I saw suggested that I
open a CMD box with adminitrative priveleges and execute the installer
from that, and that worked fine. Eudora now appears on the list of
installed programs and I made it the default for mailto and for .mbx
files. BUI, I still can't fetch or send email.

Why were the installers blocked? What other installers or other
executables are blocked in Win11? How does it decide?


****So here is a typical session. The last node of the pop3 IP
addresses seems to change sometimes, after closing and reopening Eudora,
and only one is the ame as what I saw using win10. Is that okay?

MAIN 16: 1.02 Preparing messages to Send: 0
9864 16: 1.02 Open <http://129.213.13.252:995>129.213.13.252:995
3824 16: 1.02 Open <http://172.253.115.108:995>172.253.115.108:995
1588 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.44:995>103.168.172.44:995
1692 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.45:465>103.168.172.45:465
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages [This probably appears always,
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages since there were none.]
MAIN 58623:10.04 Logging shutdown

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mail.eudora.ms-window

On Fri, 2/21/2025 10:14 PM, micky wrote:

This problem started off as a Eudora question, but seems to have two
parts now, both of which have windows and internet ramifications. Is
there an active internet/email group, not counting tthe Eudora ng this
is already posted to?

Many people using win11 are stiil happilly using Eudora 7.1.0.9 (Real
Eudora, not with a 3-letter suffix which is a modified version of Thunderbird, etc.) but I have not been able to fetch or send email since
I copied the files to the new win11 computer. Any ideas so far what the problem is?

1) Like Forte Agent, Eudora will work fine and does not have to be
installed, unless you want to make it the default mail program, or you
want it to start when you click on a mailto or .mbx file. And that's
what I've been doing, just copying the files over, since win3.1, to
win95, to 88SE to Vista, to win10, to win11. But now, the program works within itself, it loads and displays the already downloaded email, and
you can click on a link in an email and the web browser will open it,
but it won't fetch more email or send any. Its error messages imply
that a connection is made with each of 3 servers, Gmail, Erols/RCN, and Fastmail, but then the connection is broken right away before any mail
is moved.

It's been suggested that an AV or other security program is stopping it.
I'm only using Windows Defender. Or that the firewall is, but I added
an entry in the windows firewall, for both public and private networks.
Or that there is some proxy somewhere, but the Proxy page in Settings
makes no mention of a list of programs, or of Eudora.

At the footnote below is a typical session where I try to send one email
and download from 3 servers.****

2) It is nice if the program is installed, and last night I attempted to
do so uisng the same install file I'mve used 5 or 10 times since 2010. I
got a message that says it is blocked by "an administrator", but I am
the only administrator. No workaround was offered, like a button with
the logo of an administrator on it. I downloaded another copy from a different source, and it too was blocked. Is Eudora on a hit list
somewhere, or perhaps there is something in the file that Windows finds
and used to declare an executablew worthy of being blocked????? I have
a hex-editor if I need to change something.

I tried running the installer as an administrator, with no success. I
tried going into Properties and increasing permissions until everything
was checked. And I tried suspecnding UAC (including restarting windows afterwards) and none of these worked. Finally I saw suggested that I
open a CMD box with adminitrative priveleges and execute the installer
from that, and that worked fine. Eudora now appears on the list of
installed programs and I made it the default for mailto and for .mbx
files. BUI, I still can't fetch or send email.

Why were the installers blocked? What other installers or other executables are blocked in Win11? How does it decide?

****So here is a typical session. The last node of the pop3 IP
addresses seems to change sometimes, after closing and reopening Eudora,
and only one is the ame as what I saw using win10. Is that okay?

MAIN 16: 1.02 Preparing messages to Send: 0
9864 16: 1.02 Open <http://129.213.13.252:995>129.213.13.252:995
3824 16: 1.02 Open <http://172.253.115.108:995>172.253.115.108:995
1588 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.44:995>103.168.172.44:995
1692 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.45:465>103.168.172.45:465
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages [This probably appears always,
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages since there were none.]
MAIN 58623:10.04 Logging shutdown

https://sourceforge.net/p/hermesmail/discussion/general/thread/f9c93debd8/

There is a suggestion to use STunnel (995 465).

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mail.eudora.ms-window

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 22 Feb 2025 04:10:14 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 2/21/2025 10:14 PM, micky wrote:

This problem started off as a Eudora question, but seems to have two
parts now, both of which have windows and internet ramifications. Is
there an active internet/email group, not counting tthe Eudora ng this
is already posted to?

Many people using win11 are stiil happilly using Eudora 7.1.0.9 (Real
Eudora, not with a 3-letter suffix which is a modified version of
Thunderbird, etc.) but I have not been able to fetch or send email since
I copied the files to the new win11 computer. Any ideas so far what the
problem is?

1) Like Forte Agent, Eudora will work fine and does not have to be
installed, unless you want to make it the default mail program, or you
want it to start when you click on a mailto or .mbx file. And that's
what I've been doing, just copying the files over, since win3.1, to
win95, to 88SE to Vista, to win10, to win11. But now, the program works
within itself, it loads and displays the already downloaded email, and
you can click on a link in an email and the web browser will open it,
but it won't fetch more email or send any. Its error messages imply
that a connection is made with each of 3 servers, Gmail, Erols/RCN, and
Fastmail, but then the connection is broken right away before any mail
is moved.

It's been suggested that an AV or other security program is stopping it.
I'm only using Windows Defender. Or that the firewall is, but I added
an entry in the windows firewall, for both public and private networks.
Or that there is some proxy somewhere, but the Proxy page in Settings
makes no mention of a list of programs, or of Eudora.

At the footnote below is a typical session where I try to send one email
and download from 3 servers.****

2) It is nice if the program is installed, and last night I attempted to
do so uisng the same install file I'mve used 5 or 10 times since 2010. I
got a message that says it is blocked by "an administrator", but I am
the only administrator. No workaround was offered, like a button with
the logo of an administrator on it. I downloaded another copy from a
different source, and it too was blocked. Is Eudora on a hit list
somewhere, or perhaps there is something in the file that Windows finds
and used to declare an executablew worthy of being blocked????? I have
a hex-editor if I need to change something.

I tried running the installer as an administrator, with no success. I
tried going into Properties and increasing permissions until everything
was checked. And I tried suspecnding UAC (including restarting windows
afterwards) and none of these worked. Finally I saw suggested that I
open a CMD box with adminitrative priveleges and execute the installer
from that, and that worked fine. Eudora now appears on the list of
installed programs and I made it the default for mailto and for .mbx
files. BUI, I still can't fetch or send email.

Why were the installers blocked? What other installers or other
executables are blocked in Win11? How does it decide?


****So here is a typical session. The last node of the pop3 IP
addresses seems to change sometimes, after closing and reopening Eudora,
and only one is the ame as what I saw using win10. Is that okay?

MAIN 16: 1.02 Preparing messages to Send: 0
9864 16: 1.02 Open <http://129.213.13.252:995>129.213.13.252:995
3824 16: 1.02 Open <http://172.253.115.108:995>172.253.115.108:995
1588 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.44:995>103.168.172.44:995
1692 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.45:465>103.168.172.45:465
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages [This probably appears always,
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages since there were none.]
MAIN 58623:10.04 Logging shutdown

https://sourceforge.net/p/hermesmail/discussion/general/thread/f9c93debd8/

There is a suggestion to use STunnel (995 465).

That might work, thanks, but I was so happy to stop using stunnel when I
lost track of how to use it. I used it for years with no trouble once
it was set up, for a server that used a later protocol iirc than Eudora understood, and then someone modified Eudora (with what is called
Hermes) so it wasn't needed anymore, at about the same time I could no
longer figure out how to use stunnel.

(For some reason even after 10 hours, this post shows up only in win10,
so I reordered the ng's at the top, even though I don't see why that
would help.)

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mail.eudora.ms-window

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 22 Feb 2025 11:37:49 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

(For some reason even after 10 hours, this post shows up only in win10,
so I reordered the ng's at the top, even though I don't see why that
would help.)

FWIW, it had shown up in win11, but somehow that ng got reordered to
Newest First. (I must have clicked in the wrong spot.) Still hasn't
shown up in Eudora ng.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mail.eudora.ms-window

On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 23:10:55 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

<snip>

1) Like Forte Agent, Eudora will work fine and does not have to be
installed, unless you want to make it the default mail program, or you
want it to start when you click on a mailto or .mbx file. And that's
what I've been doing, just copying the files over, since win3.1, to
win95, to 88SE to Vista, to win10, to win11. But now, the program works >within itself, it loads and displays the already downloaded email, and
you can click on a link in an email and the web browser will open it,
but it won't fetch more email or send any. Its error messages imply
that a connection is made with each of 3 servers, Gmail, Erols/RCN, and >Fastmail, but then the connection is broken right away before any mail
is moved.

<snip>

****So here is a typical session. The last node of the pop3 IP
addresses seems to change sometimes, after closing and reopening Eudora,
and only one is the ame as what I saw using win10. Is that okay?

MAIN 16: 1.02 Preparing messages to Send: 0
9864 16: 1.02 Open <http://129.213.13.252:995>129.213.13.252:995
3824 16: 1.02 Open <http://172.253.115.108:995>172.253.115.108:995
1588 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.44:995>103.168.172.44:995
1692 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.45:465>103.168.172.45:465
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages [This probably appears always,
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages since there were none.]
MAIN 58623:10.04 Logging shutdown

It's interesting to me that it's logging the email servers as "http://"
and then using what I expect to be "https://", (ports 995 & 465), and
it's also interesting to me that it's logging the destination URLs as IP addresses, rather than host names. Both of those seem to be a problem to
me, but I'm not at all familiar with Eudora.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.mail.eudora.ms-window

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 22 Feb 2025 14:38:54 -0600, Char
Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 23:10:55 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

<snip>

1) Like Forte Agent, Eudora will work fine and does not have to be >>installed, unless you want to make it the default mail program, or you
want it to start when you click on a mailto or .mbx file. And that's
what I've been doing, just copying the files over, since win3.1, to
win95, to 88SE to Vista, to win10, to win11. But now, the program works >>within itself, it loads and displays the already downloaded email, and
you can click on a link in an email and the web browser will open it,
but it won't fetch more email or send any. Its error messages imply
that a connection is made with each of 3 servers, Gmail, Erols/RCN, and >>Fastmail, but then the connection is broken right away before any mail
is moved.

<snip>

****So here is a typical session. The last node of the pop3 IP
addresses seems to change sometimes, after closing and reopening Eudora, >>and only one is the ame as what I saw using win10. Is that okay?

MAIN 16: 1.02 Preparing messages to Send: 0
9864 16: 1.02 Open <http://129.213.13.252:995>129.213.13.252:995
3824 16: 1.02 Open <http://172.253.115.108:995>172.253.115.108:995
1588 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.44:995>103.168.172.44:995
1692 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.45:465>103.168.172.45:465
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages [This probably appears always,
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages since there were none.]
MAIN 58623:10.04 Logging shutdown

It's interesting to me that it's logging the email servers as "http://"
and then using what I expect to be "https://", (ports 995 & 465),

Maybe http is hard-coded. And he assumes that anyone reading the log
will understand. There are a few other really small bugs that the
author knew of when he stopped working on it, but .... he stopped
anyhow. I think Qualcomm stopped paying.

and
it's also interesting to me that it's logging the destination URLs as IP >addresses, rather than host names. Both of those seem to be a problem to
me, but I'm not at all familiar with Eudora.

I've never spent much time reading its log before, so I'm not much more familiar than you.

I changed the Secure Sockets setting for Erols/RCN to Never, instead of Required to use SSL, and it got all my email. Without SSL it uses port
110 iirc, not 995. Doesn't this imply that I'm using the wrong port or something for the others?

Erols is the only service I use that will still work without SSL. It
also doesn't have a phone app. It does have a webmail page.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:43:41 -0700,
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

micky wrote on 2/22/2025 9:37 AM:

(For some reason even after 10 hours, this post shows up only in win10,
so I reordered the ng's at the top, even though I don't see why that
would help.)

Paul

Logical, and obvious answer.
the Eudora newsgroup you included in your initial post in this thread
is not the full name/spelling of that group.

Yes, I looked right at it and did not notice that the s on the end was
missing. I had copied and pasted, but missed the s.

-i.e. you either typo-ed or incorrectly copied/pasted it or changed it
in your subscribed groups or copied from somewhere else.
- the misspelled group you included has been removed from this reply
since it can't be delivered anywhere.

Thus, your posts and any other persons' replies that include that >non-existent phantom newsgroup name will never show up in the 'real'
Eudora newsgroup
- The 'correct group name' => comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
- Look closely and compare the 'correct group name' vs. the group name in >your original post(and who knows how many other of your posts made in
this group cross-posted to a non-existent group)

Thanks for the correction

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

In message <loujrjprov9q3417spq9desq71bl2detg3@4ax.com>, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 22 Feb 2025 04:10:14 -0500, Paul ><nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 2/21/2025 10:14 PM, micky wrote:

This problem started off as a Eudora question, but seems to have two
parts now, both of which have windows and internet ramifications. Is
there an active internet/email group, not counting tthe Eudora ng this
is already posted to?

Many people using win11 are stiil happilly using Eudora 7.1.0.9 (Real
Eudora, not with a 3-letter suffix which is a modified version of
Thunderbird, etc.) but I have not been able to fetch or send email since >>> I copied the files to the new win11 computer. Any ideas so far what the >>> problem is?

1) Like Forte Agent, Eudora will work fine and does not have to be
installed, unless you want to make it the default mail program, or you
want it to start when you click on a mailto or .mbx file. And that's
what I've been doing, just copying the files over, since win3.1, to
win95, to 88SE to Vista, to win10, to win11. But now, the program works
within itself, it loads and displays the already downloaded email, and
you can click on a link in an email and the web browser will open it,
but it won't fetch more email or send any. Its error messages imply
that a connection is made with each of 3 servers, Gmail, Erols/RCN, and
Fastmail, but then the connection is broken right away before any mail
is moved.

It's been suggested that an AV or other security program is stopping it. >>> I'm only using Windows Defender. Or that the firewall is, but I added
an entry in the windows firewall, for both public and private networks.
Or that there is some proxy somewhere, but the Proxy page in Settings
makes no mention of a list of programs, or of Eudora.

At the footnote below is a typical session where I try to send one email >>> and download from 3 servers.****

2) It is nice if the program is installed, and last night I attempted to >>> do so uisng the same install file I'mve used 5 or 10 times since 2010. I >>> got a message that says it is blocked by "an administrator", but I am
the only administrator. No workaround was offered, like a button with
the logo of an administrator on it. I downloaded another copy from a
different source, and it too was blocked. Is Eudora on a hit list
somewhere, or perhaps there is something in the file that Windows finds
and used to declare an executablew worthy of being blocked????? I have
a hex-editor if I need to change something.

I tried running the installer as an administrator, with no success. I
tried going into Properties and increasing permissions until everything
was checked. And I tried suspecnding UAC (including restarting windows
afterwards) and none of these worked. Finally I saw suggested that I
open a CMD box with adminitrative priveleges and execute the installer
from that, and that worked fine. Eudora now appears on the list of
installed programs and I made it the default for mailto and for .mbx
files. BUI, I still can't fetch or send email.

Why were the installers blocked? What other installers or other
executables are blocked in Win11? How does it decide?


****So here is a typical session. The last node of the pop3 IP
addresses seems to change sometimes, after closing and reopening Eudora, >>> and only one is the ame as what I saw using win10. Is that okay?

MAIN 16: 1.02 Preparing messages to Send: 0
9864 16: 1.02 Open <http://129.213.13.252:995>129.213.13.252:995
3824 16: 1.02 Open <http://172.253.115.108:995>172.253.115.108:995
1588 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.44:995>103.168.172.44:995
1692 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.45:465>103.168.172.45:465
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages [This probably appears always,
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages since there were none.]
MAIN 58623:10.04 Logging shutdown

https://sourceforge.net/p/hermesmail/discussion/general/thread/f9c93debd8/

There is a suggestion to use STunnel (995 465).

That might work, thanks, but I was so happy to stop using stunnel when I
lost track of how to use it. I used it for years with no trouble once
it was set up, for a server that used a later protocol iirc than Eudora >understood, and then someone modified Eudora (with what is called
Hermes) so it wasn't needed anymore, at about the same time I could no
longer figure out how to use stunnel.

<snip>

Could you have somehow installed the pre-Hermes Eudora on your Windows
11 machine rather than the post-Hermes version?
--
John Hall
"I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
will hardly mind anything else."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:16:49 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

In message <loujrjprov9q3417spq9desq71bl2detg3@4ax.com>, micky ><NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 22 Feb 2025 04:10:14 -0500, Paul >><nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 2/21/2025 10:14 PM, micky wrote:

This problem started off as a Eudora question, but seems to have two
parts now, both of which have windows and internet ramifications. Is
there an active internet/email group, not counting tthe Eudora ng this >>>> is already posted to?

Many people using win11 are stiil happilly using Eudora 7.1.0.9 (Real
Eudora, not with a 3-letter suffix which is a modified version of
Thunderbird, etc.) but I have not been able to fetch or send email since >>>> I copied the files to the new win11 computer. Any ideas so far what the >>>> problem is?

1) Like Forte Agent, Eudora will work fine and does not have to be
installed, unless you want to make it the default mail program, or you >>>> want it to start when you click on a mailto or .mbx file. And that's
what I've been doing, just copying the files over, since win3.1, to
win95, to 88SE to Vista, to win10, to win11. But now, the program works >>>> within itself, it loads and displays the already downloaded email, and >>>> you can click on a link in an email and the web browser will open it,
but it won't fetch more email or send any. Its error messages imply
that a connection is made with each of 3 servers, Gmail, Erols/RCN, and >>>> Fastmail, but then the connection is broken right away before any mail >>>> is moved.

It's been suggested that an AV or other security program is stopping it. >>>> I'm only using Windows Defender. Or that the firewall is, but I added >>>> an entry in the windows firewall, for both public and private networks. >>>> Or that there is some proxy somewhere, but the Proxy page in Settings
makes no mention of a list of programs, or of Eudora.

At the footnote below is a typical session where I try to send one email >>>> and download from 3 servers.****

2) It is nice if the program is installed, and last night I attempted to >>>> do so uisng the same install file I'mve used 5 or 10 times since 2010. I >>>> got a message that says it is blocked by "an administrator", but I am
the only administrator. No workaround was offered, like a button with >>>> the logo of an administrator on it. I downloaded another copy from a >>>> different source, and it too was blocked. Is Eudora on a hit list
somewhere, or perhaps there is something in the file that Windows finds >>>> and used to declare an executablew worthy of being blocked????? I have >>>> a hex-editor if I need to change something.

I tried running the installer as an administrator, with no success. I
tried going into Properties and increasing permissions until everything >>>> was checked. And I tried suspecnding UAC (including restarting windows >>>> afterwards) and none of these worked. Finally I saw suggested that I >>>> open a CMD box with adminitrative priveleges and execute the installer >>>> from that, and that worked fine. Eudora now appears on the list of
installed programs and I made it the default for mailto and for .mbx
files. BUI, I still can't fetch or send email.

Why were the installers blocked? What other installers or other
executables are blocked in Win11? How does it decide?


****So here is a typical session. The last node of the pop3 IP
addresses seems to change sometimes, after closing and reopening Eudora, >>>> and only one is the ame as what I saw using win10. Is that okay?

MAIN 16: 1.02 Preparing messages to Send: 0
9864 16: 1.02 Open <http://129.213.13.252:995>129.213.13.252:995
3824 16: 1.02 Open <http://172.253.115.108:995>172.253.115.108:995
1588 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.44:995>103.168.172.44:995
1692 16: 1.02 Open <http://103.168.172.45:465>103.168.172.45:465
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "\r\n"
3824 8: 1.12 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
9864 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1588 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Error reading from network\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "\r\n"
1692 8: 2.02 Dialog: "Cause: Connection closed by foreign host. (0)"
MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages [This probably appears always, >>>> MAIN 16: 2.08 Filtering Sent Messages since there were none.]
MAIN 58623:10.04 Logging shutdown

https://sourceforge.net/p/hermesmail/discussion/general/thread/f9c93debd8/ >>>

There is a suggestion to use STunnel (995 465).

That might work, thanks, but I was so happy to stop using stunnel when I >>lost track of how to use it. I used it for years with no trouble once
it was set up, for a server that used a later protocol iirc than Eudora >>understood, and then someone modified Eudora (with what is called
Hermes) so it wasn't needed anymore, at about the same time I could no >>longer figure out how to use stunnel.

<snip>

Could you have somehow installed the pre-Hermes Eudora on your Windows
11 machine rather than the post-Hermes version?

Figured out what happened last night (after long-running conversation
with Katrina).

Copied over all the program and data files from a working, updated
version, but it didn't work in new computer. Because I didn't have
Visual C++ 2015. When I had installed Hermes in 2 prior computers,
they had both been running for years and the MS programs had already
been installed for other reasons, by other software installers.

The files on SourceForge include VCRedist.exe, which does nothing but
install Visual C++ 2015, so all I had to do was run VCRedist. Didn't
have to restart Windows. Don't know if I had to restart Eudora since it
was already closed.

Compounded a little bit by one or two sets of instructions, for updating Hermes, that don't mention installing Visual C++, because they are
Update instructions with later files and they aren't Install
instructions. But it's not clear that you should have installed it once
already when you read the readme file. One by Pete MacClean and maybe
another one I read a year ago. I will write to Pete later today.

So all is well and the faster CPU certainly is fast.

3 other smaller, exclusively Windows, probably win11, problems remain.
New thread will appear soon.

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