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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 21:22:41 -0000 (UTC), Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

Microsoft I would think have no financial gain to support the OS past
the 7 years or whatever time period they choose.

I don’t think Microsoft is getting much financial gain of any sort from
any version of Windows any more. That would explain the deteriorating
quality of Windows updates: it’s down to decreasing investment on Microsoft’s part, as a direct response to those decreasing profits.

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XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-11, microsoft.public.windows

On 2025-02-22, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:

I [Joel W. Crump] promoted Win7 here [COLA], in the past [2009-2010], [...] because at the
time it really did represent something new and improved in computing.
Today, Linux is hands-down the winner.

Linux is the winner?
At what?

If it makes no difference which platform one is using, then Linux is
the winner by default. That became true before the release of
Windows 11.

That kinda makes no sense.
If the OS makes no diffence to the user, that it's a tie, or a
non-issue. A no-win situation.

I run Linux on this Thinkpad Yoga 14 because Windows 11 won't run on it, >>and Windows 10 is dead soon. So in that case Linux is better.
This laptop can be folded into a tablet, and I can tell you that under
Win 10, worked a charm. Under Linux, screen orientation doesn't work, >>virtual keyboard doesn't work. I only get a virtual keyboard at the
logon screen.

On a 15" Alienware laptop, it's had Windows 11 on it for 3+ years.
Runs great, has never blue screened, locked up, refused to do my
bidding. Some Windows updates have broken the Dell Support App and the >>Alienware Command Center, but a fix usually comes from MS or Dell, or a >>Revo uninstall/reinstall fixes it. I wouldn't even bother putting Linux
on the Alienware, as I doubt selecting which video card I want is an
option under Linux, and I doubt fan control would be as easy under Linux
as it is with Windows 11.

Windows 11 is a computing tool.
Linux is a computing tool.

The choices being available is the winner.

Win11 is OK on hardware that handles it. Win10 is still OK on a good
bit of other hardware and on the same hardware for people who don't
want 11. I guess the $30 charge would be fair except I did
voluntarily pay again in 2021, $200, so my upgrade to 11 was
immediate. Why can't I freely choose between 11 and 10, on this
device, during the extended-security-update-availability period?

Microsoft I would think have no financial gain to support the OS past
the 7 years or whatever time period they choose. I wouldn't do free work
7 years after I did the initial work, I'd want money :)

Whether these changes, updates, upgrades are of value to the user is up
to the user. If one prefers free, pay once forever, want the computer to
last 15 years, Linux would likely be the only choice.

But if one just has to have MS Office, or some tax software, or some
device integration that only Windows provides, that's what they'll use.
The usual preference is that the computer came with the OS, meaning no preference.

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On 2025-02-22, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:

I [Joel W. Crump] promoted Win7 here [COLA], in the past [2009-2010], [...] because at the
time it really did represent something new and improved in computing. >>>>> Today, Linux is hands-down the winner.

Linux is the winner?
At what?

If it makes no difference which platform one is using, then Linux is
the winner by default. That became true before the release of
Windows 11.

That kinda makes no sense.
If the OS makes no diffence to the user, that it's a tie, or a
non-issue. A no-win situation.

A tie makes the elegant and free Linux the obvious winner.

A tie is a no-win situation.
For you and your situation, Linux is better.
Not sure what elegance you see... visually, Windows "looks" better.

I run Linux on this Thinkpad Yoga 14 because Windows 11 won't run on it, >>>>and Windows 10 is dead soon. So in that case Linux is better.
This laptop can be folded into a tablet, and I can tell you that under >>>>Win 10, worked a charm. Under Linux, screen orientation doesn't work, >>>>virtual keyboard doesn't work. I only get a virtual keyboard at the >>>>logon screen.

On a 15" Alienware laptop, it's had Windows 11 on it for 3+ years.
Runs great, has never blue screened, locked up, refused to do my >>>>bidding. Some Windows updates have broken the Dell Support App and the >>>>Alienware Command Center, but a fix usually comes from MS or Dell, or a >>>>Revo uninstall/reinstall fixes it. I wouldn't even bother putting Linux >>>>on the Alienware, as I doubt selecting which video card I want is an >>>>option under Linux, and I doubt fan control would be as easy under Linux >>>>as it is with Windows 11.

Windows 11 is a computing tool.
Linux is a computing tool.

The choices being available is the winner.

Win11 is OK on hardware that handles it. Win10 is still OK on a good
bit of other hardware and on the same hardware for people who don't
want 11. I guess the $30 charge would be fair except I did
voluntarily pay again in 2021, $200, so my upgrade to 11 was
immediate. Why can't I freely choose between 11 and 10, on this
device, during the extended-security-update-availability period?

Microsoft I would think have no financial gain to support the OS past
the 7 years or whatever time period they choose. I wouldn't do free work
7 years after I did the initial work, I'd want money :)

Whether these changes, updates, upgrades are of value to the user is up
to the user. If one prefers free, pay once forever, want the computer to >>last 15 years, Linux would likely be the only choice.

But if one just has to have MS Office, or some tax software, or some
device integration that only Windows provides, that's what they'll use.
The usual preference is that the computer came with the OS, meaning no >>preference.

I don't like Apple macOS - but it is as good as Windows and Linux.

If you see where I'm going with this.

I do.
You have an opinion.
Yay.

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On 2/23/25 08:31 AM, Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

Not sure what elegance you see... visually, Windows "looks" better.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Being a bit of a programmer, and coder, I've been into
the themes of Linux and have been able to alter appearance, color, size of the vast
majority of items on the screen. Icon sets & cursors. Especially font size and in some
cases size of areas used. Line spacing is another thing. Notifications. Calendar.
Even fonts and icons in Libreoffice. The list goes on and on and I reallly like the looks
of my Linux.

It's taken years and many hours, but I'm retired, and I love tweaking it.

Oh and no transparency! Gads I hate that s**t.

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Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2/23/25 08:31 AM, Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

Not sure what elegance you see... visually, Windows "looks" better.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Being a bit of a programmer, and
coder, I've been into the themes of Linux and have been able to alter appearance, color, size of the vast majority of items on the screen.
Icon sets & cursors. Especially font size and in some cases size of
areas used. Line spacing is another thing. Notifications.
Calendar. Even fonts and icons in Libreoffice. The list goes on and
on and I reallly like the looks of my Linux.

It's taken years and many hours, but I'm retired, and I love tweaking it.

So basically you're saying that the subject of this thread *should* be:

"Linux Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing"

Just kidding, I couldn't resist! (If in doubt, check my User-Agent
header.)

Oh and no transparency! Gads I hate that s**t.

I'm already totally transparent.

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On 2025-02-23, Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2/23/25 08:31 AM, Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

Not sure what elegance you see... visually, Windows "looks" better.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Being a bit of a programmer, and coder, I've been into
the themes of Linux and have been able to alter appearance, color, size of the vast
majority of items on the screen. Icon sets & cursors. Especially font size and in some
cases size of areas used. Line spacing is another thing. Notifications. Calendar.
Even fonts and icons in Libreoffice. The list goes on and on and I reallly like the looks
of my Linux.

It's taken years and many hours, but I'm retired, and I love tweaking it.

Agree that there is a lot of customization possible.

Oh and no transparency! Gads I hate that s**t.

I run slrn full screen in a konsole 40% transparent window.
No title bar, scroll bar, just colorful text, use vi to follow-up.
Can clearly see this screen, and read the screen behind it :)
Helps when searching for terminal commands.

Mostly I wouldn't post this in Windows groups, I doubt they care ;)
COLA is best for this

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

On 2/23/2025 8:50 AM, Alan K. wrote:

On 2/23/25 08:31 AM, Adison Vohn Caterson wrote:

Not sure what elegance you see... visually, Windows "looks" better.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge.  Being a bit of a programmer, and
coder, I've been into the themes of Linux and have been able to alter appearance, color, size of the vast majority of items on the screen.
Icon sets & cursors. Especially font size and in some cases size of
areas used.   Line spacing is another thing.  Notifications.  Calendar.
Even fonts and icons in Libreoffice.  The list goes on and on and I
reallly like the looks of my Linux.

It's taken years and many hours, but I'm retired, and I love tweaking it.

Oh and no transparency!  Gads I hate that s**t.

It's been an interesting evolution. I think the "modern" style, based
on cellphones, is also a natural development. It's not attractive and
it's not
especially serviceable. It's indefensible. But it's subtle. Rarity is
always
valued. 200 years ago people painted their houses with bright colors. By
the time we invented day-glo and could have any color, bright colors were
no longer so special. They didn't require carefully soaking special
berries.
Yuppies started getting picky about off whites: "I'd like 1/3 linen white,
1/2 straight white, and the rest an off-white dustball taupe hue. Can we
get that? ... Now, for the dining room..."

So it goes from basic to ornate to subtle. Whatever is harder to get
is valued. Gold plated 3-D lettering became easy and thus became garish.

I think KDE surpassed
Windows GUI many years ago. It's much nicer on the same hardware.
But then you can boot into Gnome and it looks old fashioned
minimalist. So it varies a lot. All of my computers look pretty much
like Win98 and XP did. Once I've removed the skins, special effects
and start menu billboards, it's just simple and functional.

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