Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
when trying to update Eudora,
Only for win11 or did I somehow not encounter them in win10?
1) I copied over all the Eudora files from a working computer, and
that's enough to make it work, but in order for Eudora to be in the list
of installed programs, so that it can be set to be the program that gets called when one clicks on an email address in a web browser, for
example, it has to be installed too.
The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
since 2010, would not work. Message said "blocked by an administrator".
I'm the only administrator. No way provided to override. Downloaded
another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
and got same message. Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b) increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turning
off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked. Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
and run the installer from there. That worked fine.
One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs to
be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never changed them.
How was this file blocked? Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
be blocked?
What other files are blocked? And would this have happened in win10?
Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
boxes, about a year ago.
2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
C:\Programs. This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
C:\Programs now a protected directory?
3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
better), to C:\Programs\Eudora. Is this the same problem as problem 2
above? Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
into a Programs sub-directory? And what makes an installation program move/copy different from a File manager move/copy? If I write a bat
file to move/copy these files, would that work? Or does it have to be compiled?
The first time I used a 3rd-party file manager, so I switched to File Explorer. Either way, first it wants one to click on the button with
the Administrator logo (and you think doing this means you're home free)
then the moving graph starts and after one program has seemingly moved, according to the graph, it again complains, iirc that it doesn't know
the author of the files I want to copy, or maybe that's just a side
comment and no reason is given, and provides no suggested alternative to
copy them. Way to go, MS!
I have a feeling, and I'll try it later, I could get around problems 2
and 3 in the same way I did problem 1, in a CMD box (with elevated
powers??). If so, does MS ever tell people about this limitation and
how to get around it? Or they just leave people in a quandary?
It's a good thing I still know DOS commands. I bet anyone under 50
doesn't know them, probably doesn't even know DOS exists, and that's
most people. So what do they do?
3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
better), toC:\Programs\Eudora. Is this the same problem as problem 2
above? Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
into a Programs sub-directory? And what makes an installation program move/copy different from a File manager move/copy? If I write a bat
file to move/copy these files, would that work? Or does it have to be compiled?
On Sun, 2/23/2025 11:27 AM, micky wrote:
Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
when trying to update Eudora,
Only for win11 or did I somehow not encounter them in win10?
1) I copied over all the Eudora files from a working computer, and
that's enough to make it work, but in order for Eudora to be in the list
of installed programs, so that it can be set to be the program that gets
called when one clicks on an email address in a web browser, for
example, it has to be installed too.
The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
since 2010, would not work. Message said "blocked by an administrator".
I'm the only administrator. No way provided to override. Downloaded
another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
and got same message. Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b)
increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turning
off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked.
Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
and run the installer from there. That worked fine.
One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs to
be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never
changed them.
How was this file blocked? Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
be blocked?
What other files are blocked? And would this have happened in win10?
Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
boxes, about a year ago.
2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
C:\Programs. This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
C:\Programs now a protected directory?
3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
better), to C:\Programs\Eudora. Is this the same problem as problem 2
above? Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
into a Programs sub-directory? And what makes an installation program
move/copy different from a File manager move/copy? If I write a bat
file to move/copy these files, would that work? Or does it have to be
compiled?
The first time I used a 3rd-party file manager, so I switched to File
Explorer. Either way, first it wants one to click on the button with
the Administrator logo (and you think doing this means you're home free)
then the moving graph starts and after one program has seemingly moved,
according to the graph, it again complains, iirc that it doesn't know
the author of the files I want to copy, or maybe that's just a side
comment and no reason is given, and provides no suggested alternative to
copy them. Way to go, MS!
I have a feeling, and I'll try it later, I could get around problems 2
and 3 in the same way I did problem 1, in a CMD box (with elevated
powers??). If so, does MS ever tell people about this limitation and
how to get around it? Or they just leave people in a quandary?
It's a good thing I still know DOS commands. I bet anyone under 50
doesn't know them, probably doesn't even know DOS exists, and that's
most people. So what do they do?
Do you ever do Properties on the files you download from the Internet ?
What do you notice ?
The tick box at the bottom ?
The status line down there indicates "the user has downloaded an unclean file >from the Internet, we will show this status until the user tells
us the program is clean". That is what the tick box is for.
*******
Based on having so many questions about Eudora, let us see what files
Paul has accumulated.
Directory of S:\Eudora
.
Sun, 01/28/2024 07:59 PM 16,993,736 Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe <=== we will check this for the tick box
Sun, 01/28/2024 07:56 PM 3,830,985 Eudora_71_User_Manual.zip
Sun, 01/28/2024 07:54 PM 30,127 Readme-First-Eudora-71.txt
Name: Eudora_7.1.0.9.exe
Size: 16,993,736 bytes (16 MiB)
SHA256: 96AEC8EA618E34F0DEEEA67854D01CBA97EE99CC3080517D385D901E58CB4EB4
Now, let us look at the status of the file. How "dirty" is it ?
Yes, there is a box to tick. Because it was downloaded by a browser
in Zone 3.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/P5Fpt4Qm/eudora-download-status.gif
*******
Inside Eudora is this:
Name: EudoraProject.msi
Size: 1,505,280 bytes (1470 KiB)
SHA256: 758D662360F9DFA04F029D32237E1943533C9E51717D5E824677342135AB2CFA
Sun, 02/23/2025 12:55 PM 1,505,280 EudoraProject.msi
Tue, 03/18/2003 09:20 PM 1,060,864 mfc71.dll \
Tue, 03/18/2003 09:12 PM 1,047,552 mfc71u_dll \___ I didn't extract these properly, I just wanted
Tue, 03/18/2003 08:14 PM 499,712 msvcp71.dll / the names for the forensic info. It looks
Fri, 02/21/2003 04:42 AM 348,160 msvcr71.dll / like an old copy of Visual Studio runtimes.
I'm doing that much, to show you that copying the files isn't sufficient... >unless those DLLs happen to be in the folder with your installed executable. >If those happened to be installed in System32 for example, you might easily >miss them. There is a proper way to extract all of that file, but
I'm not taking it all apart. You should be able to use the installer
to install it (and its payloads).
Paul
On 02/23/2025 11:27 AM, micky wrote:
3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
better), toC:\Programs\Eudora. Is this the same problem as problem 2
above? Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
into a Programs sub-directory? And what makes an installation program
move/copy different from a File manager move/copy? If I write a bat
file to move/copy these files, would that work? Or does it have to be
compiled?
When saving files in Program Folders a popup shows saying administrative >permission are required write to the folder. However at least in
Windows 10 clicking Continue will complete the save process.
Based on my experience with Window 10, only the program files are placed
in the Program folders.
The data the program uses is stored in a folder
called:
C:\Users\logged-in-user-name\AppData\Roaming\i.e. -Mozilla
I have a program that has problems similar to what you experienced with >Endora. The program is called T-Clock and adds a lot of functionality
the the toolbar clock. It also allows for multiple date/time displays
and copying the time and/or date in several formats to any open program
on the computer.
While it runs on my HP, it will not run on my Dell computer similarly >configured. I miss its convenience on the Dell.
micky wrote on 2/23/2025 9:27 AM:
Three Windows problems, unrelated to Eudora, that happened along the way
when trying to update Eudora,
The install program, Eudora_7.1.0.9, that I have used 5 or 10 times
since 2010, would not work. Message said "blocked by an administrator".
I'm the only administrator. No way provided to override.
Right click the installer .exe or.msi file, select properties, then
uncheck the item that indicates 'Unblock'
DownloadedSee above, same process, same necessary steps.
another copy from a trusted source (apparently some have adware in them)
and got same message.
Tried a) setting it to run as administrator, b)
increasing permissions from the file's Properties screen, and c) turningThese steps were not necessary.
off UAC (including restarting Windows after doing that). Nothing worked.
Finally read a suggestion to start a CMD box with administrative powers
and run the installer from there. That worked fine.
Sometimes an option that works, sometimes not. Easier to 'Unblock' in the >installer file's properties.
One person suggested I change the settings to allow non-MS programs toThe other person apparently did not mention or was unaware that the
be run, but they were already set to from Anywhere, which appears to be
the default since my other two computers are set that way, and I never
changed them.
file's installer properties needed to be 'Unblocked'
See above
How was this file blocked? Is it on a list of "bad programs" or is
there something in the file that Windows looks for and decides it should
be blocked?
No list of 'bad' programs
Nothing in the program being looked(for).
Win10 same? Yes.
What other files are blocked? And would this have happened in win10?
Well I know it wouldn't because I ran this very program in two win10
boxes, about a year ago.
2) Can't create a subdirectory, no matter what name I choose, in
C:\Programs. This is not Program Files or Program Files (x86) and I
thought the name would mean nothing special to Windows, but is
C:\Programs now a protected directory?
Did you manually create(on Win11 now or prior before updating to Win11
from an earlier os in the past or copy from somewher else(other device,
other Windows) the C:\Programs folder???
C:\Programs is not a main system folder for programs in Win11.
- The three folders in the root directory are Program Files, Program
Files, Program Files (x86)
- There is a subfolder in the logged on user's AppData\Local folder
with the name 'Programs.
=> you should avoid making any changes to that folder
See above answer to #2.
3) Can't copy files, (updated files to make Eudora work slightly
better), to C:\Programs\Eudora. Is this the same problem as problem 2
above? Is it that only installation programs can move or copy files
into a Programs sub-directory?
Small typo on my part. Program Files, Program Files (x86), and
***ProgramData***
In message <vpqjj5$3963e$1@dont-email.me>, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> writes
<big snip>
Small typo on my part. Program Files, Program Files (x86), and
***ProgramData***
Talking of typos, I've been wondering whether the "proglems" in the
thread title was a typo or a brilliant new coinage to indicate software issues. Or maybe it's a word that's been around for a while and I've
just never encountered it before?
micky wrote on 2/25/2025 4:20 PM:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:10:03 -0700,Blocked files and the executable file Properties 'Unblock'
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Right click the installer .exe or.msi file, select properties, then
uncheck the item that indicates 'Unblock'
That probably would have worked. I didn't know Blocked files existed
until Paul told me (even though I've downloaded install files from
Geeks, etc. but maybe that was before Blocked files were implemented in
win10.)
option/feature has been present, at least, for 23 yrs. - Windows XP.
Small typo on my part. Program Files, Program Files (x86), and
Did you manually create(on Win11 now or prior before updating to Win11 >>>from an earlier os in the past or copy from somewher else(other device,
other Windows) the C:\Programs folder???
Manually created Programs in Win11, just before I copied Forte Agent and
Eudora program files to it from win10. Since then I've installed other
programs to that directory, if the installer lets me choose.
To spoil the ending, I made the new directory using DOS. I wasted too
much time trying other thigns.
C:\Programs is not a main system folder for programs in Win11.
- The three folders in the root directory are Program Files, Program
Files, Program Files (x86)
That's what I thought.
***ProgramData***
I've temporarily given up on the new subdirectory for Programs (It was
only to hold Wordpad files (in case an update to win11 erased my
Wordpad, which I have read will happen) and Eudora files (that are a
trifle better than what I have, and they seem so far away in the
Downloads file.)
If you've imaged yor drive before Win11 24H2 on Win11 23H2 or Win10(as
has been suggested by many others in this group on topics related to
imaging, Macrium, Acronis, and other imaging/backup programs) then
restoring WordPad(which W11 24H2 does remove) is restorable.
requires a small amount of effort but achievable. A variety ofmethods are available from sources that have proven sucessful results.
e.g.
<https://www.ghacks.net/2024/10/07/how-to-restore-the-wordpad-text-editor-in-windows-11/>
<https://www.pcworld.com/article/2376881/how-to-get-wordpad-back-windows-11-24h2.html>
Optionally, one could copy the three necessary files from a pre 24H2 >imge(same files/folders noted in the above articles) to the same folder >locations present in Win11 23H2 and earlier o/s(those folders remain in
24H2, but not the files) but doing so requires more technical >expertise(taking ownership, permissions, and returning ownership to the >default Win11 design(System, TrustedInstaller)
- i.e. imo, something that should only be done, after creating a 24H2
image backup and full and complete knowledge of what/how to do so and
return the impacted permissions/ownership to design intent.
Based on your past history of questions and results, I would notrecommend you pursue this path.
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