“Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks”
<https://www.theverge.com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-recommendations>
Of course, it’s not their hardware that “sucks”, it’s the bloated Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
On 2025-03-19 4:56 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:and will always be lacking. On paper, there are no holes; in practice, there are tons.
“Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks”
<https://www.theverge.com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-recommendations>
Of course, it’s not their hardware that “sucks”, it’s the bloated
Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
In reality, Windows does have a few security features that would theoretically be interesting. However, as has been shown by my post yesterday indicating that an exploit Microsoft _just_ discovered has been abused since 2017, the security has always
“Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks”
<https://www.theverge.com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-recommendations>
Of course, it’s not their hardware that “sucks”, it’s the bloated Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks
<https:// www. theverge. com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-recommendations>
Of course, its not their hardware that sucks, its the bloated
Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
“Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks”
<https://www.theverge.com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-recommendations>
Of course, it’s not their hardware that “sucks”, it’s the bloated
Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
I'm Curious: I have Linux on my machine via Virtual Box on Windows 10.
Will that be a "secure" platform after Windows 10 is no longer supported, or not really?
On Thu, 3/20/2025 1:10 PM, Bill wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
“Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks”
<https://www.theverge.com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-recommendations>
Of course, it’s not their hardware that “sucks”, it’s the bloated >>> Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
I'm Curious: I have Linux on my machine via Virtual Box on Windows 10.
Will that be a "secure" platform after Windows 10 is no longer supported, or not really?
How hard is it, to get inside a VHD file and write to it ?
that is Easy Peasy. I do this every day. You can mount a VHD in
Disk Management.
OK, part 2 question, how hard is it to write into an *encrypted*
container scheme. VMWare can encrypt a container, as one of
multiple examples.
Then the next question is, how hard is it to attack
hosting software and tip it over, assuming you are
administrator inside any hosting OS. Probably not
that hard.
While virtualization is "pretty", it is hardly bulletproof.
In fact, nothing on computers is bulletproof, just sayin.
Paul
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> posted to:
alt.comp.os.windows-11
alt.comp.os.windows-10
comp.os.linux.advocacy <-- Garbage/flaming newsgroup
Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks
<https:// www. theverge. com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-recommendations>
Of course, its not their hardware that sucks, its the bloated
Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
<Aside>
Oops, looks like I missed comp.os.linux.advocacy when a poster includes garbage newsgroups. Filter now updated.
Garbage newsgroup comp.os.linux.advocacy omitted in my reply.
</Aside>
There is no full citation of the claimed FAQ found in a dev build, just
a screen snapshot showing a couple points at its start. Dev builds are
of little interest to the release channel community. Changes in dev may
not make it to the release. Without any mention of what the FAQ is
professed to claim, the article is just more FUD. It adds nothing new.
"Is my GPU sufficient for high end gaming ...?"
Oh, gee, like that never ever had any impact on video games, uh huh. I suppose not as much an issue under Linux since that that platform is not
much used as a gaming platform due to lack of choices on Linux.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/265033/proportion-of-operating-systems-used-on-the-online-gaming-platform-steam/
"As of September 2023, the most frequently used OS by users of the
gaming platform Steam was Windows at almost 97 percent. Linux followed
in second place, with 1.6 percent, ahead of OSX with 1.43 percent
share."
Aug 19, 2024
Of course, not everyone playing video games is doing so through Steam,
but it is still an indicative statistic on how little Linux is used for gaming.
"How dows having 4.8 GB of RAM input my PC's performance?"
"However, running more demanding applications ..."
Oh yes, there have never ever been any graphical applications that
consume lots of RAM, uh huh. Probably not an issue to Linux users
engrained with the command line and console windows for apps.
The screenshot shows only a couple of points in the FAQ (which is
unknown, as yet, if it will appear in the release). From those notes, nothing new was stated that was unknown for decades.
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
“Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks”
<https://www.theverge.com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-
device-specs-recommendations>
Of course, it’s not their hardware that “sucks”, it’s the bloated
Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
I'm Curious: I have Linux on my machine via Virtual Box on Windows 10.
Will that be a "secure" platform after Windows 10 is no longer
supported, or not really?
On Thu, 3/20/2025 1:10 PM, Bill wrote:
On 3/19/2025 4:56 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
“Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks”
<https://www.theverge.com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-recommendations>
Of course, it’s not their hardware that “sucks”, it’s the bloated >>> Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
I'm Curious: I have Linux on my machine via Virtual Box on Windows 10.
Will that be a "secure" platform after Windows 10 is no longer supported, or not really?
How hard is it, to get inside a VHD file and write to it ?
that is Easy Peasy. I do this every day. You can mount a VHD in
Disk Management.
On Thu, 3/20/2025 2:53 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> posted to:
alt.comp.os.windows-11
alt.comp.os.windows-10
comp.os.linux.advocacy <-- Garbage/flaming newsgroup
Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks
<https:// www. theverge. com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-recommendations>
Of course, its not their hardware that sucks, its the bloated
Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
<Aside>
Oops, looks like I missed comp.os.linux.advocacy when a poster includes
garbage newsgroups. Filter now updated.
Garbage newsgroup comp.os.linux.advocacy omitted in my reply.
</Aside>
There is no full citation of the claimed FAQ found in a dev build, just
a screen snapshot showing a couple points at its start. Dev builds are
of little interest to the release channel community. Changes in dev may
not make it to the release. Without any mention of what the FAQ is
professed to claim, the article is just more FUD. It adds nothing new.
"Is my GPU sufficient for high end gaming ...?"
Oh, gee, like that never ever had any impact on video games, uh huh. I
suppose not as much an issue under Linux since that that platform is not
much used as a gaming platform due to lack of choices on Linux.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/265033/proportion-of-operating-systems-used-on-the-online-gaming-platform-steam/
"As of September 2023, the most frequently used OS by users of the
gaming platform Steam was Windows at almost 97 percent. Linux followed
in second place, with 1.6 percent, ahead of OSX with 1.43 percent
share."
Aug 19, 2024
Of course, not everyone playing video games is doing so through Steam,
but it is still an indicative statistic on how little Linux is used for
gaming.
"How dows having 4.8 GB of RAM input my PC's performance?"
"However, running more demanding applications ..."
Oh yes, there have never ever been any graphical applications that
consume lots of RAM, uh huh. Probably not an issue to Linux users
engrained with the command line and console windows for apps.
The screenshot shows only a couple of points in the FAQ (which is
unknown, as yet, if it will appear in the release). From those notes,
nothing new was stated that was unknown for decades.
Considering the times we live in, such an approach to marketing
has zero chance of succeeding.
Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For example,
even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a GPU.
It probably runs slower than the real thing,
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:recommendations>
On Thu, 3/20/2025 2:53 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> posted to:
alt.comp.os.windows-11 alt.comp.os.windows-10 comp.os.linux.advocacy
<-- Garbage/flaming newsgroup
“Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks”
<https:// www. theverge.
com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-
Considering the times we live in, such an approach to marketing has
Of course, it’s not their hardware that “sucks”, it’s the bloated >>>> Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
<Aside>
Oops, looks like I missed comp.os.linux.advocacy when a poster
includes garbage newsgroups. Filter now updated.
Garbage newsgroup comp.os.linux.advocacy omitted in my reply.
</Aside>
There is no full citation of the claimed FAQ found in a dev build,
just a screen snapshot showing a couple points at its start. Dev
builds are of little interest to the release channel community.
Changes in dev may not make it to the release. Without any mention of
what the FAQ is professed to claim, the article is just more FUD. It
adds nothing new.
"Is my GPU sufficient for high end gaming ...?"
Oh, gee, like that never ever had any impact on video games, uh huh.
I suppose not as much an issue under Linux since that that platform is
not much used as a gaming platform due to lack of choices on Linux.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/265033/proportion-of-operating- systems-used-on-the-online-gaming-platform-steam/
"As of September 2023, the most frequently used OS by users of the
gaming platform Steam was Windows at almost 97 percent. Linux
followed in second place, with 1.6 percent, ahead of OSX with 1.43
percent share."
Aug 19, 2024
Of course, not everyone playing video games is doing so through Steam,
but it is still an indicative statistic on how little Linux is used
for gaming.
"How dows having 4.8 GB of RAM input my PC's performance?"
"However, running more demanding applications ..."
Oh yes, there have never ever been any graphical applications that
consume lots of RAM, uh huh. Probably not an issue to Linux users
engrained with the command line and console windows for apps.
The screenshot shows only a couple of points in the FAQ (which is
unknown, as yet, if it will appear in the release). From those notes,
nothing new was stated that was unknown for decades.
zero chance of succeeding.
Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For example,
even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a GPU.
In the history of BestBuy, I've NEVER been able to buy there just a GPU.
I had to buy a video card with its GPU.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> posted to:recommendations>
alt.comp.os.windows-11 alt.comp.os.windows-10 comp.os.linux.advocacy
<-- Garbage/flaming newsgroup
“Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks”
<https:// www. theverge.
com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-
Of course, it’s not their hardware that “sucks”, it’s the bloated
Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
<Aside>
Oops, looks like I missed comp.os.linux.advocacy when a poster includes garbage newsgroups. Filter now updated.
Garbage newsgroup comp.os.linux.advocacy omitted in my reply.
</Aside>
There is no full citation of the claimed FAQ found in a dev build, just
a screen snapshot showing a couple points at its start. Dev builds are
of little interest to the release channel community. Changes in dev may
not make it to the release. Without any mention of what the FAQ is
professed to claim, the article is just more FUD. It adds nothing new.
"Is my GPU sufficient for high end gaming ...?"
Oh, gee, like that never ever had any impact on video games, uh huh. I suppose not as much an issue under Linux since that that platform is not
much used as a gaming platform due to lack of choices on Linux.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/265033/proportion-of-operating-systems-used-on-the-online-gaming-platform-steam/
"As of September 2023, the most frequently used OS by users of the
gaming platform Steam was Windows at almost 97 percent. Linux followed
in second place, with 1.6 percent, ahead of OSX with 1.43 percent
share."
Aug 19, 2024
Of course, not everyone playing video games is doing so through Steam,
but it is still an indicative statistic on how little Linux is used for gaming.
Just what is YOUR colloquial definition of "GPU" that differs from the technical definition of GPU? Perhaps a video card, or a CPU with
integral video? I *can* buy both of those at BestBuy.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise removed from vallor's attribution line)
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For example,
even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a GPU.
In the history of BestBuy, I've NEVER been able to buy there just a GPU.
I had to buy a video card with its GPU.
The colloquial term Paul used was correct -- and your splitting of
hairs has nothing to do with his discussion.
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise removed from vallor's attribution line)
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For example,
even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a GPU.
In the history of BestBuy, I've NEVER been able to buy there just a
GPU.
I had to buy a video card with its GPU.
The colloquial term Paul used was correct -- and your splitting of
hairs has nothing to do with his discussion.
Just what is YOUR colloquial definition of "GPU" that differs from the technical definition of GPU? Perhaps a video card, or a CPU with
integral video? I *can* buy both of those at BestBuy.
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 13:53:50 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in <3tx5d2t6gry0$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> posted to:recommendations>
alt.comp.os.windows-11 alt.comp.os.windows-10 comp.os.linux.advocacy
<-- Garbage/flaming newsgroup
Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks
<https:// www. theverge.
com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-
Of course, its not their hardware that sucks, its the bloated
Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
<Aside>
Oops, looks like I missed comp.os.linux.advocacy when a poster includes
garbage newsgroups. Filter now updated.
Garbage newsgroup comp.os.linux.advocacy omitted in my reply.
</Aside>
Yet you made a post on-topic for cola. Weird attitude.
There is no full citation of the claimed FAQ found in a dev build, just
a screen snapshot showing a couple points at its start. Dev builds are
of little interest to the release channel community. Changes in dev may
not make it to the release. Without any mention of what the FAQ is
professed to claim, the article is just more FUD. It adds nothing new.
"Is my GPU sufficient for high end gaming ...?"
Oh, gee, like that never ever had any impact on video games, uh huh. I
suppose not as much an issue under Linux since that that platform is not
much used as a gaming platform due to lack of choices on Linux.
Have you considered the SteamDeck?
And: I run Steam on my Linux workstation. All my games run on
Linux -- some natively, some with proton.
With Win11 obsoleting so much hardware, I suspect there will be
many more people making the leap to Linux.
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 13:53:50 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in
<3tx5d2t6gry0$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> posted to:recommendations>
alt.comp.os.windows-11 alt.comp.os.windows-10 comp.os.linux.advocacy
<-- Garbage/flaming newsgroup
“Windows 11 will soon let you know why your PC hardware sucks”
<https:// www. theverge.
com/news/632327/microsoft-windows-11-system-device-specs-
Of course, it’s not their hardware that “sucks”, it’s the bloated >>>> Windows OS that the poor vict^H^H^H^Husers are trying to run on it.
<Aside>
Oops, looks like I missed comp.os.linux.advocacy when a poster
includes garbage newsgroups. Filter now updated.
Garbage newsgroup comp.os.linux.advocacy omitted in my reply.
</Aside>
Yet you made a post on-topic for cola. Weird attitude.
Hence the Aside tags to denote a side issue or off-topic mention to
highlight Lawrence cross-posted to a garbage newsgroup.
There is no full citation of the claimed FAQ found in a dev build,
just a screen snapshot showing a couple points at its start. Dev
builds are of little interest to the release channel community.
Changes in dev may not make it to the release. Without any mention of
what the FAQ is professed to claim, the article is just more FUD. It
adds nothing new.
"Is my GPU sufficient for high end gaming ...?"
Oh, gee, like that never ever had any impact on video games, uh huh.
I suppose not as much an issue under Linux since that that platform is
not much used as a gaming platform due to lack of choices on Linux.
Have you considered the SteamDeck?
Sorry you misunderstood that I only use my Windows host for gaming. Or
that I prefer squinting at tiny handheld screens.
SteamOS is Linux based (Arch). That limits games to what will run on
that OS. Destiny 2, Halo Infinite are a no-go. Games that use their own launchers (e.g., EA Origin) won't work. Problems with multi-player
games.
Do you know how many games can be played on Steamdeck? On user noted he
had 531 games in his Steam library, but only 132 were verified by Valve
on Steamdeck (Dragon Age Inquisition, Marvel's Avengers, Crysis,
Terminator: Resistance, Elite Dangerous, Fall Guys, Hardspace:
Shipbreaker, Injustice 2, and so on). Steamdeck has over 3,000 verified games, but there are more than 50,000 games on Steam.
So, your suggestion is to move to yet another platform with even less
games.
And: I run Steam on my Linux workstation. All my games run on Linux --
some natively, some with proton.
So, add more to the Rube Goldberg setup.
With Win11 obsoleting so much hardware, I suspect there will be many
more people making the leap to Linux.
With all the delving into Linux by Microsoft (Azure/Ubuntu, WSL, etc), I suspect that by 2038 that Windows will just be the GUI/desktop atop of a Linux platform, and, of course, all the Rube Goldberg mechanisms to get
old proggies to run ... for a while ... like what they already did for
WoW32 and do now WoW64 to run 16- and 32-bit proggies to run (until the
old WoW got removed in a later version of Windows).
After all, even
Linux has different desktops/managers from which to choose as the user interface to the underlying OS. SOme even try to look like Windows atop
of Linux to lure Windows users to Linux as long as those users never
have to delve into the intricacies of the OS.
Microsoft even added
support for Android apps on Windows 11 using WSA (although the apps are
only at Amazon). Just add another emulator to add support. Just add
another VMM (Virtual Machine Manager) to run non-native apps in a guest
OS as though they're running on the host/parent OS (e.g., Virtualbox).
Doing the reverse with WINE is fraught with problems, incompatibilities,
and deficiencies.
https://lunduke.substack.com/p/microsofts-growing-control-of-linux
Your Linux realm is getting increasingly coming under control of the
evil empires: Microsoft and Apple. Tis possible they plan to migrate,
but they may also conquer to destroy, like how Symantec's acquisitions
often disappear, or they may absorb to use what is best from both OSes.
Alas, "best" is subjective to whomever makes the claim.
Incrementalism works very well to conquer a nemesis. It's going to get
muddy for a while, and less required the users even know what is the OS.
Used to be "embrace, extend, and extinguish" to eliminate competition.
Seems the current trend is to absorb. We are the Borg. Resistance is futile.
https://www.stationx.net/os-wars-why-has-microsoft-embraced-linux/
"Not only is Microsoft one of the biggest contributors to the Linux
kernel, ..."
It probably runs slower than the real thing, though. If you get used to
the Linux way of things, you can do the reverse: have the machine use
Linux as the main system, and put Windows in a virtual machine for when
you need some Windows software.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise deleted from vallor's attribution line)
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise removed from vallor's attribution line)
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For example, >>>>> even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a GPU.
In the history of BestBuy, I've NEVER been able to buy there just a
GPU.
I had to buy a video card with its GPU.
The colloquial term Paul used was correct -- and your splitting of
hairs has nothing to do with his discussion.
Just what is YOUR colloquial definition of "GPU" that differs from the
technical definition of GPU? Perhaps a video card, or a CPU with
integral video? I *can* buy both of those at BestBuy.
I thought it was obvious what Paul was talking about -- and I doubt
you missed his meaning, since you are an intelligent person.
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise deleted from vallor's attribution line)
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise removed from vallor's attribution line)
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For example, >>>>> even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a GPU. >>>>In the history of BestBuy, I've NEVER been able to buy there just a
GPU.
I had to buy a video card with its GPU.
The colloquial term Paul used was correct -- and your splitting of
hairs has nothing to do with his discussion.
Just what is YOUR colloquial definition of "GPU" that differs from the
technical definition of GPU? Perhaps a video card, or a CPU with
integral video? I *can* buy both of those at BestBuy.
I thought it was obvious what Paul was talking about -- and I doubt
you missed his meaning, since you are an intelligent person.
You don't know, and why you avoid answering.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise deleted from vallor's attribution line)
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise removed from vallor's attribution line)
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For example, >>>>>>> even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a GPU. >>>>>>In the history of BestBuy, I've NEVER been able to buy there just a >>>>>> GPU.
I had to buy a video card with its GPU.
The colloquial term Paul used was correct -- and your splitting of
hairs has nothing to do with his discussion.
Just what is YOUR colloquial definition of "GPU" that differs from the >>>> technical definition of GPU? Perhaps a video card, or a CPU with
integral video? I *can* buy both of those at BestBuy.
I thought it was obvious what Paul was talking about -- and I doubt
you missed his meaning, since you are an intelligent person.
You don't know, and why you avoid answering.
In the old days, it wasn't a chip and not even a 'card', but a big
box, costing tens of thousands of dollars. So there you go!
My GPU is bigger than yours!
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise deleted from vallor's attribution line)
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise removed from vallor's attribution line)
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For example, >>>>>>>> even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a GPU. >>>>>>>In the history of BestBuy, I've NEVER been able to buy there just a >>>>>>> GPU.
I had to buy a video card with its GPU.
The colloquial term Paul used was correct -- and your splitting of >>>>>> hairs has nothing to do with his discussion.
Just what is YOUR colloquial definition of "GPU" that differs from the >>>>> technical definition of GPU? Perhaps a video card, or a CPU with
integral video? I *can* buy both of those at BestBuy.
I thought it was obvious what Paul was talking about -- and I doubt
you missed his meaning, since you are an intelligent person.
You don't know, and why you avoid answering.
In the old days, it wasn't a chip and not even a 'card', but a big
box, costing tens of thousands of dollars. So there you go!
I only go back to around 1974 when I was in my teens to use the
University's mainframe, and sumbitted input using punch cards or tape
created at a teletype terminal. Then came dumb terminals with keyboards
and monitors made of tubes (CRTs) and discrete circuits, and the servers
did all the computing. No PCs, Macs, or cell phones.
ICs (Integrated Circuits) showed up in 1959 from, I believe, Fairchild. Arcade boxes have used specialized ICs since 1970s. Before that, I
don't recall GPUs existed, but not sure back then that anything inside
the monitor was called a GPU. In the prior monitors, they had
television interface adaptors, and rendered the display as soon as the digital signal got converted. There was no GPU.
From what I can tell, the term "GPU" (graphics processing unit) did not
exist until 1994 when Sony used it to describe their Toshiba-designed graphics IC and support logic. Nvidia popularized the term in 1999
saying their GeForce 256 was the "world's first GPU". AMD tried to
market their VPU (Visual Processing Unit) term.
https://medium.com/altumea/a-brief-history-of-gpu-47d98d6a0f8a
There were video chips (ICs) and discrete logic back in 1970 which were
the basis for later development into GPUs, but those were not GPUs back
then.
https://www.britannica.com/technology/graphics-processing-unit
Maybe before the IC era which almost predates my birth (I wasn't doing
any computing of any kind when I was 3 years old), there were video controllers as discrete logic, but back then you used dumb terminals
which were basically TV sets with converters from digital input. I
don't what was used at the server end to encode the video signals into
the digital signals sent to the dumb terminals, but back then the term
"GPU" did not yet exist.
My GPU is bigger than yours!
But I can legibly spell my entire name in the snow with 3-foot letters!
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise deleted from vallor's attribution line)
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise removed from vallor's attribution line)
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For
example,
even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a
GPU.
In the history of BestBuy, I've NEVER been able to buy there just a
GPU.
I had to buy a video card with its GPU.
The colloquial term Paul used was correct -- and your splitting of
hairs has nothing to do with his discussion.
Just what is YOUR colloquial definition of "GPU" that differs from the
technical definition of GPU? Perhaps a video card, or a CPU with
integral video? I *can* buy both of those at BestBuy.
I thought it was obvious what Paul was talking about -- and I doubt you
missed his meaning, since you are an intelligent person.
You don't know, and why you avoid answering.
On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:20:51 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in <12ltxfvvwcvem.dlg@v.nguard.lh>:
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise deleted from vallor's attribution line)
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:(noise removed from vallor's attribution line)
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For
example,
even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a
GPU.
In the history of BestBuy, I've NEVER been able to buy there just a >>>>>> GPU.
I had to buy a video card with its GPU.
The colloquial term Paul used was correct -- and your splitting of
hairs has nothing to do with his discussion.
Just what is YOUR colloquial definition of "GPU" that differs from the >>>> technical definition of GPU? Perhaps a video card, or a CPU with
integral video? I *can* buy both of those at BestBuy.
I thought it was obvious what Paul was talking about -- and I doubt you
missed his meaning, since you are an intelligent person.
You don't know, and why you avoid answering.
Isn't that nice -- I give you the benefit of the doubt, but
you make silly accusations.
What I got from it is Paul was talking about discrete GPU interface
cards, usually PCiE x16. It didn't occur to me to consider a full CPU,
with an iGPU included, from the context.
Of course, I could be wrong: Let's ask Paul!
Paul, what did you mean when you said you couldn't go to Best Buy and
buy a GPU?
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