System is Win 10 Pro. When I open the Updates page it
informs--always has--that some update options are
controlled by "your" organization via Group Policy
settings. Is this why the free Win 11 upgrade is not
offered on the update page?

I dug into the group policy settings a little and I think
I found those couple that are causing the message I see
and changed them, but evidently there are more lurking
that I cannot find because I continue to see the message
when I open Update.

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On Fri, 4/4/2025 4:46 PM, Jason wrote:

System is Win 10 Pro. When I open the Updates page it
informs--always has--that some update options are
controlled by "your" organization via Group Policy
settings. Is this why the free Win 11 upgrade is not
offered on the update page?

I dug into the group policy settings a little and I think
I found those couple that are causing the message I see
and changed them, but evidently there are more lurking
that I cannot find because I continue to see the message
when I open Update.

The opinion here is, that AVast is doing this. Even when your
Group Policy is clean, AVast can be jiggling something in there.

https://www.tenforums.com/browsers-email/215350-mozilla-causing-chaos-managed-your-organization-2h22-19045-4842-a.html

Paul

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In article <vsq5cm$12em2$1@dont-email.me>,
nospam@needed.invalid says...

On Fri, 4/4/2025 4:46 PM, Jason wrote:

System is Win 10 Pro. When I open the Updates page it
informs--always has--that some update options are
controlled by "your" organization via Group Policy
settings. Is this why the free Win 11 upgrade is not
offered on the update page?

I dug into the group policy settings a little and I think
I found those couple that are causing the message I see
and changed them, but evidently there are more lurking
that I cannot find because I continue to see the message
when I open Update.

The opinion here is, that AVast is doing this. Even when your
Group Policy is clean, AVast can be jiggling something in there.

https://www.tenforums.com/browsers-email/215350-mozilla-causing-chaos-managed-your-organization-2h22-19045-4842-a.html

Paul

I look like you're right, Paul :-) I'll follow up tomorrow
after I sleep.

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In article <vsq5cm$12em2$1@dont-email.me>,
nospam@needed.invalid says...

On Fri, 4/4/2025 4:46 PM, Jason wrote:

System is Win 10 Pro. When I open the Updates page it
informs--always has--that some update options are
controlled by "your" organization via Group Policy
settings. Is this why the free Win 11 upgrade is not
offered on the update page?

I dug into the group policy settings a little and I think
I found those couple that are causing the message I see
and changed them, but evidently there are more lurking
that I cannot find because I continue to see the message
when I open Update.

The opinion here is, that AVast is doing this. Even when your
Group Policy is clean, AVast can be jiggling something in there.

https://www.tenforums.com/browsers-email/215350-mozilla-causing-chaos-managed-your-organization-2h22-19045-4842-a.html

Paul

Hmm well, alas. AVast is offerred as an extension but
isn't installed. The hunt continues.

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On Sat, 4/5/2025 12:29 AM, jason_warren wrote:

In article <vsq5cm$12em2$1@dont-email.me>,
nospam@needed.invalid says...

On Fri, 4/4/2025 4:46 PM, Jason wrote:

System is Win 10 Pro. When I open the Updates page it
informs--always has--that some update options are
controlled by "your" organization via Group Policy
settings. Is this why the free Win 11 upgrade is not
offered on the update page?

I dug into the group policy settings a little and I think
I found those couple that are causing the message I see
and changed them, but evidently there are more lurking
that I cannot find because I continue to see the message
when I open Update.

The opinion here is, that AVast is doing this. Even when your
Group Policy is clean, AVast can be jiggling something in there.

https://www.tenforums.com/browsers-email/215350-mozilla-causing-chaos-managed-your-organization-2h22-19045-4842-a.html

Paul

Hmm well, alas. AVast is offerred as an extension but
isn't installed. The hunt continues.

"Get the latest Update" should be switched on, in the Windows Update
settings, to "encourage" the W11 24H2 to come in.

This ("incontrol.exe") should show "11 24H2" if taking the limitation off
the release target. But as far as I know, these also correspond
to GPEdit policies. This is not exactly a totally independent control,
it's a convenience application that sets (or clears) three or four
registry settings.

https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm

Regarding the "type" of Registry settings, there have been
"wayward" settings in the past, that are no longer supposed
to have an effect, but can still be sitting in the Registry.
I do not suspect they are the cause of the problem, but
want to mention this issue for the sake of completeness.
There were things I have tried to set in the past, that
no longer did anything, and they are similar to the InControl ones.

The arrival of W11 24H2 is also gated by what are called "blockers".
For example, some particular audio device is not compatible or has
some kind of issue with 24H2, and prevents 24H2 from installing.
But those don't show "... your organization" as a label -- they
are silent blockers and there is no status readout whatsoever.

Paul

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On Sat, 4/5/2025 5:01 PM, Roger Mills wrote:

On 04/04/2025 21:46, Jason wrote:

System is Win 10 Pro. When I open the Updates page it
informs--always has--that some update options are
controlled by "your" organization via Group Policy
settings. Is this why the free Win 11 upgrade is not
offered on the update page?

I dug into the group policy settings a little and I think
I found those couple that are causing the message I see
and changed them, but evidently there are more lurking
that I cannot find because I continue to see the message
when I open Update.

Are you sure that your hardware is compatible with W11? Mine apparently isn't!

Did the PC Health Check application give any details ?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/how-to-use-the-pc-health-check-app-9c8abd9b-03ba-4e67-81ef-36f37caa7844

On the Optiplex 780 with E8400 Core2 Duo, it tells me
the Population Count instruction is missing. And trying
to jam in Windows 11 manually from a DVD, reports the same
thing and the installation stops. I had the 780 out on
the bench a couple weeks ago, and found a text file the
Win11 installation attempt might have left behind.

Paul

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Roger Mills <mills37.fslife@gmail.com> wrote:

On 04/04/2025 21:46, Jason wrote:

System is Win 10 Pro. When I open the Updates page it
informs--always has--that some update options are
controlled by "your" organization via Group Policy
settings. Is this why the free Win 11 upgrade is not
offered on the update page?

I dug into the group policy settings a little and I think
I found those couple that are causing the message I see
and changed them, but evidently there are more lurking
that I cannot find because I continue to see the message
when I open Update.

Are you sure that your hardware is compatible with W11? Mine apparently isn't!

If that's the case, Windows Update will say so. In Jason's case, it apparently doesn't say so, but also doesn't offer the Windows 11
upgrade.

On my wife's, Windows 11 incompatible, Windows 10 system, Windows
Update says ((very liberally) translated from Dutch):

"Prepare for Windows 11
If you want to check if Windows 11
can be used on this PC, you can
check the hardware requirements or
go to the website of the manufacturer
of your PC"

And there's a 'Check hardware requirements' link.

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On Sun, 4/6/2025 8:47 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Roger Mills <mills37.fslife@gmail.com> wrote:

On 04/04/2025 21:46, Jason wrote:

System is Win 10 Pro. When I open the Updates page it
informs--always has--that some update options are
controlled by "your" organization via Group Policy
settings. Is this why the free Win 11 upgrade is not
offered on the update page?

I dug into the group policy settings a little and I think
I found those couple that are causing the message I see
and changed them, but evidently there are more lurking
that I cannot find because I continue to see the message
when I open Update.

Are you sure that your hardware is compatible with W11? Mine apparently
isn't!

If that's the case, Windows Update will say so. In Jason's case, it apparently doesn't say so, but also doesn't offer the Windows 11
upgrade.

On my wife's, Windows 11 incompatible, Windows 10 system, Windows
Update says ((very liberally) translated from Dutch):

"Prepare for Windows 11
If you want to check if Windows 11
can be used on this PC, you can
check the hardware requirements or
go to the website of the manufacturer
of your PC"

And there's a 'Check hardware requirements' link.

The PC Health App can spell it out a bit more than the Windows Update
box does. This will only be in Win10, if you installed it

C:\Program Files\PCHealthCheck\PCHealthCheck.exe 866,224 bytes (2022)

But generally speaking, they didn't make much of an effort to
spell things out.

POPCNT got added to this one ("coreinfo.exe"), but I don't see an MBEC.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/coreinfo

For MBEC (a dependency but not a prerequisite), the Intel entry for
your processor will only have an entry, if the device
has the feature. They don't like to list MBEC and No in the same
sentence.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/236773/intel-core-i9-processor-14900k-36m-cache-up-to-6-00-ghz/specifications.html

Mode-based Execute Control (MBEC) Yes

Microsoft also has a "list of processors" but I don't think any
installer consults such a list. It's more likely to be "by measurement".
When W10/W11 boots, features are turned off "by measurement",
to ensure it boots. The claimed exception is POPCNT, where if you
don't have it for an OS that requires it, the OS crashes. I still haven't tested that, but I do not doubt the prediction. I don't even think
they execute the POPCNT -- all they have to do, is use a privileged
instruction to check processor features, and if the processor
does not have SSE 4.2, then you don't have the flavor of POPCNT
they really want (SIMD version). I figured this was for some sort of
crude neural network code or something. The requirement to me, seems
rather pointless. It can't perform well enough to do anything,
and could be replaced with a macro instead (with a speed penalty).

*******

If you are running Win10 32-bit, there is no in-place upgrade strategy
for you. win11 is 64-bit only. That's why the PCHealth above is in
the 64-bit Program Files :-)

I would not expect anyone in the audience, to be wedged in such a corner :-)
I don't even know what it says, when you present that case to them.
I probably have W10 32-bit VMs, but those wouldn't work right for
an OS offer. It would have to be tested physically.

Paul

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 4/6/2025 8:47 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Roger Mills <mills37.fslife@gmail.com> wrote:

On 04/04/2025 21:46, Jason wrote:

System is Win 10 Pro. When I open the Updates page it
informs--always has--that some update options are
controlled by "your" organization via Group Policy
settings. Is this why the free Win 11 upgrade is not
offered on the update page?

I dug into the group policy settings a little and I think
I found those couple that are causing the message I see
and changed them, but evidently there are more lurking
that I cannot find because I continue to see the message
when I open Update.

Are you sure that your hardware is compatible with W11? Mine apparently
isn't!

If that's the case, Windows Update will say so. In Jason's case, it apparently doesn't say so, but also doesn't offer the Windows 11
upgrade.

On my wife's, Windows 11 incompatible, Windows 10 system, Windows
Update says ((very liberally) translated from Dutch):

"Prepare for Windows 11
If you want to check if Windows 11
can be used on this PC, you can
check the hardware requirements or
go to the website of the manufacturer
of your PC"

And there's a 'Check hardware requirements' link.

The PC Health App can spell it out a bit more than the Windows Update
box does. This will only be in Win10, if you installed it

C:\Program Files\PCHealthCheck\PCHealthCheck.exe 866,224 bytes (2022)

Yes, that's what I pointed to: The 'Check hardware requirements' link
brings you to a webpage, which, as one of the first things, gives you a
link to download the install package for PCHealthCheck.exe.

But generally speaking, they didn't make much of an effort to
spell things out.

Indeed they don't. PCHealthCheck says my wife's AMD processor is not supported, but not why not (it has enough cores). But as it also has no
TPM and is rather 'old' (May 2014) and 'slow', I don't worry about it.
New system (probably a 'Mini-PC') is planned for the end of the year.

[...]

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On Sun, 4/6/2025 11:18 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 4/6/2025 8:47 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Roger Mills <mills37.fslife@gmail.com> wrote:

On 04/04/2025 21:46, Jason wrote:

System is Win 10 Pro. When I open the Updates page it
informs--always has--that some update options are
controlled by "your" organization via Group Policy
settings. Is this why the free Win 11 upgrade is not
offered on the update page?

I dug into the group policy settings a little and I think
I found those couple that are causing the message I see
and changed them, but evidently there are more lurking
that I cannot find because I continue to see the message
when I open Update.

Are you sure that your hardware is compatible with W11? Mine apparently >>>> isn't!

If that's the case, Windows Update will say so. In Jason's case, it
apparently doesn't say so, but also doesn't offer the Windows 11
upgrade.

On my wife's, Windows 11 incompatible, Windows 10 system, Windows
Update says ((very liberally) translated from Dutch):

"Prepare for Windows 11
If you want to check if Windows 11
can be used on this PC, you can
check the hardware requirements or
go to the website of the manufacturer
of your PC"

And there's a 'Check hardware requirements' link.

The PC Health App can spell it out a bit more than the Windows Update
box does. This will only be in Win10, if you installed it

C:\Program Files\PCHealthCheck\PCHealthCheck.exe 866,224 bytes (2022)

Yes, that's what I pointed to: The 'Check hardware requirements' link brings you to a webpage, which, as one of the first things, gives you a
link to download the install package for PCHealthCheck.exe.

But generally speaking, they didn't make much of an effort to
spell things out.

Indeed they don't. PCHealthCheck says my wife's AMD processor is not supported, but not why not (it has enough cores). But as it also has no
TPM and is rather 'old' (May 2014) and 'slow', I don't worry about it.
New system (probably a 'Mini-PC') is planned for the end of the year.

[...]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

They look mostly like Zen products.

The ones at the beginning have weird names, so I looked one up and it is a Zen.

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/athlon-gold-3150g.c2330

Paul

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 4/6/2025 11:18 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

[...]

The PC Health App can spell it out a bit more than the Windows Update
box does. This will only be in Win10, if you installed it

C:\Program Files\PCHealthCheck\PCHealthCheck.exe 866,224 bytes (2022)

Yes, that's what I pointed to: The 'Check hardware requirements' link brings you to a webpage, which, as one of the first things, gives you a link to download the install package for PCHealthCheck.exe.

But generally speaking, they didn't make much of an effort to
spell things out.

Indeed they don't. PCHealthCheck says my wife's AMD processor is not supported, but not why not (it has enough cores). But as it also has no
TPM and is rather 'old' (May 2014) and 'slow', I don't worry about it.
New system (probably a 'Mini-PC') is planned for the end of the year.

[...]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

System Information says:

AMD A4-5000 APU with Radeon(TM) HD Graphics, 1500 MHz, 4 core('s)

and PCHealthCheck says the same:

AMD A4-5000 APU with Radeon(TM) HD Graphics

and indeed no 'A4' or '5000' in the windows-11-supported-amd-processors
list.

They look mostly like Zen products.

The ones at the beginning have weird names, so I looked one up and it
is a Zen.

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/athlon-gold-3150g.c2330

Thanks for that reference/site. This is the page for my wife's AMD
A4-5000

<https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/a4-5000.c1710>

It's a 2013 CPU, which matches with the purchase date of May 2014.

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On Mon, 4/7/2025 8:30 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 4/6/2025 11:18 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

[...]

The PC Health App can spell it out a bit more than the Windows Update
box does. This will only be in Win10, if you installed it

C:\Program Files\PCHealthCheck\PCHealthCheck.exe 866,224 bytes (2022)

Yes, that's what I pointed to: The 'Check hardware requirements' link
brings you to a webpage, which, as one of the first things, gives you a
link to download the install package for PCHealthCheck.exe.

But generally speaking, they didn't make much of an effort to
spell things out.

Indeed they don't. PCHealthCheck says my wife's AMD processor is not
supported, but not why not (it has enough cores). But as it also has no
TPM and is rather 'old' (May 2014) and 'slow', I don't worry about it.
New system (probably a 'Mini-PC') is planned for the end of the year.

[...]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

System Information says:

AMD A4-5000 APU with Radeon(TM) HD Graphics, 1500 MHz, 4 core('s)

and PCHealthCheck says the same:

AMD A4-5000 APU with Radeon(TM) HD Graphics

and indeed no 'A4' or '5000' in the windows-11-supported-amd-processors
list.

They look mostly like Zen products.

The ones at the beginning have weird names, so I looked one up and it
is a Zen.

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/athlon-gold-3150g.c2330

Thanks for that reference/site. This is the page for my wife's AMD
A4-5000

<https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/a4-5000.c1710>

It's a 2013 CPU, which matches with the purchase date of May 2014.

OK, it's a Kabini. It has SSE 4.2 and would have POPCNT (W11 won't crash).
The TPM situation would be about as dire as on my Test Machine. Maybe a
Rufus install would work. I have W11 on the Test Machine, but it might not
last to the end of service (some year, an upgrade install might fail to work...).

2011 K10 Bobcat
2012 Piledriver
2013 Jaguar <=== Kabini
2014 Steamroller Puma
2015 Excavator Puma+
2017 Zen Excavator+
Zen
2020 Zen 2
2021 Zen 3
2022 Zen 4 Zen+, Zen2+

Paul

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In article <m5dk1kFahijU1@mid.individual.net>,
mills37.fslife@gmail.com says...

Are you sure that your hardware is compatible with W11? Mine apparently isn't!

It is compatible.

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