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Any tricks for taking screenshots that you're not supposed to take?
(without resorting to a 2FC (two factor camera), of course)

My Android is always mirrored on Windows (because that makes it 2 feet tall
and Irfanview is much easier to snap screenshots of the Android screen).

I have some free cartoonify apps on Android that allow me to snap
screenshots, so that I can save them BEFORE the watermark is added.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vicman.toonmeapp>

But I have a specific Android free cartoonify program that shows the
resulting cartooned image on the Android phone without a watermark,
but only saves it with the watermark. So I want to screenshot it 1st.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wemagineai.voila>

While I can always edit out the watermark using the free PhotoShop
alternative app on Windows (i.e., Paint.NET), I'd rather screenshot it.

Hence my question...

Is there a trick you know of which will allow you to mirror an Android
screen that itself is designed (on Android) not to be screenshotted?

Note: This problem only started with Android 11. Before that, I could screenshot anything on Windows even if Android didn't want me to do it.

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On 04/04/2025 23:01, Marion wrote:

Any tricks for taking screenshots that you're not supposed to take?
(without resorting to a 2FC (two factor camera), of course)

My Android is always mirrored on Windows (because that makes it 2 feet tall and Irfanview is much easier to snap screenshots of the Android screen).

I have some free cartoonify apps on Android that allow me to snap screenshots, so that I can save them BEFORE the watermark is added.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vicman.toonmeapp>

But I have a specific Android free cartoonify program that shows the resulting cartooned image on the Android phone without a watermark,
but only saves it with the watermark. So I want to screenshot it 1st.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wemagineai.voila>

While I can always edit out the watermark using the free PhotoShop alternative app on Windows (i.e., Paint.NET), I'd rather screenshot it.

Hence my question...

Is there a trick you know of which will allow you to mirror an Android
screen that itself is designed (on Android) not to be screenshotted?

Note: This problem only started with Android 11. Before that, I could screenshot anything on Windows even if Android didn't want me to do it.

I asked ChatGPT on your behalf, Marion! 🙂

Here's the answer given:-

https://chatgpt.com/share/67f06002-92c0-8013-a73b-15b87b5f9a23

HTH

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On 2025-04-04 15:01, Marion wrote:

Any tricks for taking screenshots that you're not supposed to take?
(without resorting to a 2FC (two factor camera), of course)

My Android is always mirrored on Windows (because that makes it 2 feet tall and Irfanview is much easier to snap screenshots of the Android screen).

I have some free cartoonify apps on Android that allow me to snap screenshots, so that I can save them BEFORE the watermark is added.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vicman.toonmeapp>

But I have a specific Android free cartoonify program that shows the resulting cartooned image on the Android phone without a watermark,
but only saves it with the watermark. So I want to screenshot it 1st.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wemagineai.voila>

While I can always edit out the watermark using the free PhotoShop alternative app on Windows (i.e., Paint.NET), I'd rather screenshot it.

Hence my question...

Is there a trick you know of which will allow you to mirror an Android
screen that itself is designed (on Android) not to be screenshotted?

Note: This problem only started with Android 11. Before that, I could screenshot anything on Windows even if Android didn't want me to do it.

Imagine that:

You want to steal!

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Alan wrote:

On 2025-04-04 15:01, Marion wrote:

Any tricks for taking screenshots that you're not supposed to take?
(without resorting to a 2FC (two factor camera), of course)

My Android is always mirrored on Windows (because that makes it 2 feet
tall
and Irfanview is much easier to snap screenshots of the Android screen).

I have some free cartoonify apps on Android that allow me to snap
screenshots, so that I can save them BEFORE the watermark is added.
� <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vicman.toonmeapp>

But I have a specific Android free cartoonify program that shows the
resulting cartooned image on the Android phone without a watermark,
but only saves it with the watermark. So I want to screenshot it 1st.
� <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wemagineai.voila>

While I can always edit out the watermark using the free PhotoShop
alternative app on Windows (i.e., Paint.NET), I'd rather screenshot it.

Hence my question...

Is there a trick you know of which will allow you to mirror an Android
screen that itself is designed (on Android) not to be screenshotted?

Note: This problem only started with Android 11. Before that, I could
screenshot anything on Windows even if Android didn't want me to do it.

Imagine that:

You want to steal!

He needs to dump android and get apple.

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On Fri, 4/4/2025 6:01 PM, Marion wrote:

Any tricks for taking screenshots that you're not supposed to take?
(without resorting to a 2FC (two factor camera), of course)

My Android is always mirrored on Windows (because that makes it 2 feet tall and Irfanview is much easier to snap screenshots of the Android screen).

I have some free cartoonify apps on Android that allow me to snap screenshots, so that I can save them BEFORE the watermark is added.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vicman.toonmeapp>

But I have a specific Android free cartoonify program that shows the resulting cartooned image on the Android phone without a watermark,
but only saves it with the watermark. So I want to screenshot it 1st.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wemagineai.voila>

While I can always edit out the watermark using the free PhotoShop alternative app on Windows (i.e., Paint.NET), I'd rather screenshot it.

Hence my question...

Is there a trick you know of which will allow you to mirror an Android
screen that itself is designed (on Android) not to be screenshotted?

Note: This problem only started with Android 11. Before that, I could screenshot anything on Windows even if Android didn't want me to do it.

You can see here, that as a mechanism is discovered, it is blocked.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hacking/comments/rsuh5b/anyone_know_a_working_bypass_for_cant_screenshot/?rdt=36016

It's no different than the protections that Windows has for certain things. Anything that Microsoft wants... isn't protected :-)

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-celebrates-its-50th-anniversary-by-letting-copilot-see-what-you-see

And it's not even called "Recall" either.

Paul

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 23:42:43 +0100, David wrote :

Here's the answer given:-

https://chatgpt.com/share/67f06002-92c0-8013-a73b-15b87b5f9a23

Thanks for that direct link to "Using adb to take screenshots on Android
when it's blocked" which is the same issue I'm having with FLAG_SECURE
since scrcpy mirrors Android two-feet tall onto Windows using ADB.

The hope is that adb operates at a lower level than does Android screencap. Hence, the suggestion is to try the command below on my Windows PC.

adb shell screencap -p /sdcard/screenshot.png

I didn't need the next line of the suggestion but others might need it:

adb pull /sdcard/screenshot.png .

Since my entire Android phone is already a Windows drive letter, that puts
the screenshot onto Windows (effectively from the Windows command line).

I just used it to answer my sister (who texts a LOT!!!!!!!!) such that I
could see her looooooooong text in an Irfanview window while I typed up a response in the Android text window using the Windows keyboard & mouse.

You can open multiple Android mirror on Windows but they're all the same so
you need to open a few historically to read these "three pages of text".

But then I hit upon a solution using the screen capture command above!

I just kept hitting the Windows keyboard "F3" key to capture the next
scroll (people shouldn't abuse texting by figuring out how to type well!).

Since the phone is on Windows in every way, the main issue is just keeping
the mouse focus on the correct window when going back & forth between them.

OK. I'm done with my three-page text back to my sister, and I'm ready to
test the adb screenshot feature against the toonify app that restricts it.

Hmm. That's interesting. Three things to note about what happened.
1. The phone screen shows the toonified image (of course)
2. The two-foot-tall scrcpy mirror of the phone on Android showed black
3. The ADB command did not cause an error - but it didn't create an image

On a FLAG_SECURE, it just did nothing. No error. But no screenshot. Drat. Apparently ADB's screencap command is blocked by the FLAG_SECURE setting.

When screencap tries to read the frame buffer of a secure window, the
system is apparently returning successfully a completely blank buffer.

So adb doesn't complain. It got nothing. It saved nothing.
There must be a way around this though. There always is. But what?
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 22:25:01 -0400, Paul wrote :

You can see here, that as a mechanism is discovered, it is blocked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hacking/comments/rsuh5b/anyone_know_a_working_bypass_for_cant_screenshot/?rdt=36016

Thanks for that link. I'm sure there's a way to screenshot anything (e.g.,
a camera will always work so it's really not worth them blocking it).

Apparently the primary way Android apps prevent screenshots on Windows is
by setting the FLAG_SECURE window flag in Android. This flag tells the
Android operating system to block any attempts to capture the screen
content.

It used to be different before (oh, about Android 11) but now, when I use Windows scrcpy or Vysor mirroring software (mostly scrcpy nowadays), the
scrcpy software shows a black screen, as they noted in that reddit thread.

A rooted Android can disable the "FLAG_SECURE" but my Galaxy bootloader
version is not known to be rootable. However, the thread does suggest we
could just drop down to an older Android version (which would work).

Some suggested browser-based or screen-recording solutions, but cartooning
is app based and I doubt a simple screen recording app will work, but it
might if I can find an open-source screenrec that ignores FLAG_SECURE.

There was a suggestion that a virtual Android VM on Windows might work, especially if we drop it down to the older Android version, so that's the
most feasible suggestion in that thread I've seen so far as I read it.

The general consensus in the thread is that there isn't yet a single,
reliable, and easy method to bypass screenshot prevention enforced by FLAG_SECURE without resorting to complex workarounds like rooting or using external cameras. But that has never stopped us before, so why stop now?

It's no different than the protections that Windows has for certain things. Anything that Microsoft wants... isn't protected :-)
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-celebrates-its-50th-anniversary-by-letting-copilot-see-what-you-see

Interesting since I can't use Windows 11 on my 2009 desktop (which was
beefy at the time it was born) but CoPilot was thrust onto my system
recently.

Apparently, from that thread, Copilot in Windows 11 will gain the ability
to "see what you see" on your screen, which is an OCR of sorts by M$.

Thanks for that datum about CoPilot "seeing" what's on your screen.

And it's not even called "Recall" either.

I didn't understand that comment until I googled what "recall" is to M$.

Apparently "Recall" is a new feature in Windows 11, specifically designed
for Copilot+ PCs which acts as a "photographic memory" for your activity.

Apparently it has continuous screenshots, local storage & analysis, a
timeline of your activities, an automatic click to do feature, and a
natural language search of your activities (which your wife will love!).

Apparently it only works on Copilot+ PCs, which, again, I had to google
since I have a Copilot- PC (built in 2009) where apparently nowadays
Windows 11 PCs have a Natural Processing Unit (NPU) for AI (which, everyone knows is "Apple Intelligence" ... heh heh heh ... even though they lied).

Paul's link is taking me deeper into today's reality, where apparently the Copilot+ PC's NPU has to be capable of 40+ TOPS, which I had to look up.

Apparently 40TOPS is 40 trillion operations per second, which is a new
metric to me as of this moment - thanks to Paul's information above.

Minimum PC hardware is apparently the Snapdragon X series processors or
certain Intel Core Ultra and AMD Ryzen AI series processors, and 16 GB of LPDDR5 RAM (which reminds me that Apple has historically had laughably puny
RAM and now because of AI (Apple Intelligence) they have to actually give
their users a "normal" amount of RAM instead of their bargain basement RAM
that almost all Apple mobile devices have had since the beginning).

a Copilot+ PC apparently also need 256 GB or larger NVMe SSD storage for
the AI data retrieval.

I saw some mention of "Preview" with "Recall" on the older articles I found
in that search. Is Preview perhaps just the older name for Recall?

Apparently, for the r.p.d crowd, there's also something called "Cocreator"
in M$ Paint which generates images based on what's in your Windows activity list. And in M$ Photos, there's also apparently a text-to-image generator.
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On 05/04/2025 09:09, Marion wrote:

On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 23:42:43 +0100, David wrote :

Here's the answer given:-

https://chatgpt.com/share/67f06002-92c0-8013-a73b-15b87b5f9a23

Thanks for that direct link to "Using adb to take screenshots on Android
when it's blocked" which is the same issue I'm having with FLAG_SECURE
since scrcpy mirrors Android two-feet tall onto Windows using ADB.

The hope is that adb operates at a lower level than does Android screencap. Hence, the suggestion is to try the command below on my Windows PC.
C:\> adb shell screencap -p /sdcard/screenshot.png

I didn't need the next line of the suggestion but others might need it:
C:\> adb pull /sdcard/screenshot.png .

Since my entire Android phone is already a Windows drive letter, that puts the screenshot onto Windows (effectively from the Windows command line).

I just used it to answer my sister (who texts a LOT!!!!!!!!) such that I could see her looooooooong text in an Irfanview window while I typed up a response in the Android text window using the Windows keyboard & mouse.

You can open multiple Android mirror on Windows but they're all the same so you need to open a few historically to read these "three pages of text".

But then I hit upon a solution using the screen capture command above!

I just kept hitting the Windows keyboard "F3" key to capture the next
scroll (people shouldn't abuse texting by figuring out how to type well!).

Since the phone is on Windows in every way, the main issue is just keeping the mouse focus on the correct window when going back & forth between them.

OK. I'm done with my three-page text back to my sister, and I'm ready to
test the adb screenshot feature against the toonify app that restricts it.

Hmm. That's interesting. Three things to note about what happened.
1. The phone screen shows the toonified image (of course)
2. The two-foot-tall scrcpy mirror of the phone on Android showed black
3. The ADB command did not cause an error - but it didn't create an image

On a FLAG_SECURE, it just did nothing. No error. But no screenshot. Drat. Apparently ADB's screencap command is blocked by the FLAG_SECURE setting.

When screencap tries to read the frame buffer of a secure window, the
system is apparently returning successfully a completely blank buffer.

So adb doesn't complain. It got nothing. It saved nothing.
There must be a way around this though. There always is. But what?

Marion,

Please ask that question directly of ChatGPT - it's FREE! (And really good!)

https://chatgpt.com/

HTH

--
David

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 09:18:28 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

as of February 5, 2025, you can access the
ChatGPT browser interface without needing to log in to an account.

Well, like anything said but empirically tested, that's only partly true.
<https://chatgpt.com/auth/error?error=OAuthSignin>

I tried the https://chatgpt.com URL on my ungoogled chromium browser and it
did not require a login but then I switched to a privacy browser, it did.

In my test, that URL doesn't work without a login when you use Epic.
<https://auth.openai.com/authorize?audience=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.openai.com>

Nor can it work without a login when you use the Windows Opera VPN Browser.
<https://chatgpt.com/auth/error?error=OAuthSignin>

When I switched back to Ungoogled Chromium but on a VPN, it worked for some (mostly USA) variants, but I have thousands of free VPN servers to test on.

In summary, up until about a month ago, chatgpt required a login account,
which negated its usefulness to me; but thanks for letting me know that
they have removed that login requirement. It works OK when on VPN now.

Much appreciated your helpful advice!
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 09:54:51 +0100, David wrote :

Please ask that question directly of ChatGPT - it's FREE! (And really good!)

https://chatgpt.com/

From a while ago, I dismissed that chatgpt URL becuse, apparently it asked
for a login. As a rule, I don't log into anything that doesn't need it.
There's no reason chatgpt should require a log in account. Right?

BTW, 1.800-chat-gpt also works verbally - but you're limited to 20 minutes
per month, but apparently as of February 5, 2025, you can access the
ChatGPT browser interface without needing to log in to an account.

There are penalty limitations if you don't log into chat gpt though, such
as it using GPT-3.5 rather than GPT-4 and it won't save history (good!) and voice input is disabled, and, oh, oooh ooh... and you can't upgrade to a subscription without logging into it first. Drat. :)

As a rule, we all should fight the login requirement for products that
don't need it - and a chat mechanism has absolutely no need for a login.

For AI, Gemini and CoPilot don't need logins, although Gemini seems to need
a login on Android using the app but on a Windows browser, it doesn't.

Anyway, Usenet is better than chatgpt as you can see from the result below.
<https://i.postimg.cc/9Mh6YMcY/chatgpt-adb.jpg>

But as a 'search engine', I think the non-login AI mechanisms are great.
They make a typical search much easier to ask the questions before posting.

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On 05/04/2025 10:32, Marion wrote:

On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 09:18:28 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

as of February 5, 2025, you can access the
ChatGPT browser interface without needing to log in to an account.

Well, like anything said but empirically tested, that's only partly true.
<https://chatgpt.com/auth/error?error=OAuthSignin>

I tried the https://chatgpt.com URL on my ungoogled chromium browser and it did not require a login but then I switched to a privacy browser, it did.

In my test, that URL doesn't work without a login when you use Epic.
<https://auth.openai.com/authorize?audience=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.openai.com>

Nor can it work without a login when you use the Windows Opera VPN Browser.
<https://chatgpt.com/auth/error?error=OAuthSignin>

When I switched back to Ungoogled Chromium but on a VPN, it worked for some (mostly USA) variants, but I have thousands of free VPN servers to test on.

In summary, up until about a month ago, chatgpt required a login account, which negated its usefulness to me; but thanks for letting me know that
they have removed that login requirement. It works OK when on VPN now.

Much appreciated your helpful advice!

*THANK YOU*!

How nice. 🙂

Have a wonderful day.

--
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On 4/4/2025 3:42 PM, David wrote:

<snip>

https://chatgpt.com/share/67f06002-92c0-8013-a73b-15b87b5f9a23

Ironically, iOS doesn't have the capability for apps to restrict
screenshots. I've used an iPhone, on at least two occasions, to do a
screenshot of a virtual ID card that I wanted to add to my Google
Wallet. Transferred the image from the iPhone to my Android phone.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 07:46:36 -0700, sms wrote :

Ironically, iOS doesn't have the capability for apps to restrict
screenshots. I've used an iPhone, on at least two occasions, to do a screenshot of a virtual ID card that I wanted to add to my Google
Wallet. Transferred the image from the iPhone to my Android phone.

As far as I am aware, Steve is correct that iOS is designed completely differently than Android in that iOS traditionally has not provided the
same level of granular control to applications (like mirroring software) to prevent screenshots on a system level or on a per-application basis as
Android does.

In fact, I've written tutorials posted to Usenet of the differences.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xjz3V8Gs/vysor32.jpg> ScrCpy vs Vysor PC mirror

I've compared screen copying with my iPads with that of Android also.
<https://i.postimg.cc/k5gv0yw8/vysor34.jpg> Apple iOS & Android mirroring

In general, I find the screen mirroring for iOS only works with Vysor.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYvqdxCT/vysor35.jpg> iOS & Android PC mirroring

As Steve has astutely correctly noted, Android applications can implement
the FLAG_SECURE window flag, which signals to the operating system that
the content of that window should not be captured in screenshots.

Apple's iOS works differently in that when you take a screenshot on iOS,
the system captures the entire screen content visible at that moment. There isn't a native iOS feature to selectively disable this for mirroring
sessions on external devices like a Windows PC running Vysor.

Interestingly, since Windows is involved here, if you are in a managed environment using Microsoft Intune, it's App Protection Policies can
prevent screenshots within specific work applications on the iOS device,
which would then be reflected as a blank screen in Vysor.

Luckily I have plenty of iOS devices to test Steve's suggestion upon.
Although I generally do not create an account on either iOS or Android.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TY9fbqJP/ios18-4-update.jpg>

Which doesn't hurt Android at all but which turns iOS into an even
dumber terminal than iOS normally is (since iOS needs the net to work).

I will use this information that Steve kindly provided to try it out!
Since I always strive to add value for the next person, here are links.

iOS "Voila"
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/voil%C3%A0-ai-artist-cartoon-ghibli/id1558421405>
Android "Voila"
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wemagineai.voila>

iOS "ToonMe"
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/toonme-ai-cartoon-face-maker/id1508120751 Android "ToonMe"
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vicman.toonmeapp>

iOS "Photo Lab"
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/photo-lab-playground-ai/id6443653724>
Android "Photo Lab"
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=vsin.t16_funny_photo>

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2025 20:27:38 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

Luckily I have plenty of iOS devices to test Steve's suggestion upon. Although I generally do not create an account on either iOS or Android.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TY9fbqJP/ios18-4-update.jpg>

Which doesn't hurt Android at all but which turns iOS into an even
dumber terminal than iOS normally is (since iOS needs the net to work).

I will use this information that Steve kindly provided to try it out!

As folks already know, Apple products don't work in the real world because Apple restricts people to the subterranean cave called the ecosystem.

That is, when I try to test Steve's suggestion, something as trivial as
copying a photo from the PC to the iPad is extremely difficult to do
without the Internet having to be involved or Apple's iTunes bloatware.

Since Apple products are designed NOT to work in the real world without
paying Apple just to move a photo, it's not as easy as you'd think.

One way I will explore is this method - but Apple' makes this hard because Apple's strategy is to make trivial things hard without Apple servers.

1. Install Feem on your Windows PC
<https://feem.io/#downloads>
<https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9wzdncrdsfg0?hl=en-US&gl=US>
<blob:https://apps.microsoft.com/453fdad6-d2cd-4104-8669-ab0fa758fc2f>
Name: Feem Installer.exe
Size: 1096224 bytes (1070 KiB)
SHA256: 027F10EAD2BF3084F4B5F82E4792A86AEDA553A633A7B054EF95AC8032715210
2. Install Feem on your Apple iPad
<https://feem.io/#downloads>
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/feem-share-files-offline/id1046483430>
3. Ensure both devices are on the same Wi-Fi network.
4. Open Feem on both devices. They should automatically detect each other.
5. On your Windows PC, select the photo you want to send
6. On your Windows PC, choose your iPad as the recipient.
7. The photo will be transferred over your local Wi-Fi network.
8. On the Ipad, save the photo to the photos app.

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 05:22:43 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

1. Install Feem on your Windows PC
<https://feem.io/#downloads>
<https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9wzdncrdsfg0?hl=en-US&gl=US>
<blob:https://apps.microsoft.com/453fdad6-d2cd-4104-8669-ab0fa758fc2f>
Name: Feem Installer.exe
Size: 1096224 bytes (1070 KiB)
SHA256: 027F10EAD2BF3084F4B5F82E4792A86AEDA553A633A7B054EF95AC8032715210

Drat. Feem won't install without a Microsoft Account.

I'll try another method, but the fact that something as trivial as copying
a photo from Windows to iOS without using the Internet, shows that the subterranean caves known as the "Apple Ecosystem" are hard to break out of.

*How to copy a photo from Windows to iOS without needing Internet servers*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=4785&group=comp.mobile.ipad#4785>

I'm sure there's a way, perhaps not over USB cable but over a local LAN
wi-fi server, much like VLC copies videos from the PC to iOS for playing.

I'll write back when/if I'm successful doing something as trivial as
copying a photo from Windows to iOS without using the insecure Apple iTunes bloatware abomination or an Internet server account.

In the meantime, if anyone on these newsgroups has been successful, copying
a photo from Windows to iOS without putting that photo on the net, let me
know how you accomplished that task as I'm having trouble breaking out of
the subterranean caverns that are the Apple Ecosystem for that simple task.

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On Sun, 4/6/2025 1:47 AM, Marion wrote:

On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 05:22:43 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

1. Install Feem on your Windows PC
<https://feem.io/#downloads>
<https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9wzdncrdsfg0?hl=en-US&gl=US>
<blob:https://apps.microsoft.com/453fdad6-d2cd-4104-8669-ab0fa758fc2f>
Name: Feem Installer.exe
Size: 1096224 bytes (1070 KiB)
SHA256: 027F10EAD2BF3084F4B5F82E4792A86AEDA553A633A7B054EF95AC8032715210

Drat. Feem won't install without a Microsoft Account.

I'll try another method, but the fact that something as trivial as copying
a photo from Windows to iOS without using the Internet, shows that the subterranean caves known as the "Apple Ecosystem" are hard to break out of.

*How to copy a photo from Windows to iOS without needing Internet servers*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=4785&group=comp.mobile.ipad#4785>

I'm sure there's a way, perhaps not over USB cable but over a local LAN
wi-fi server, much like VLC copies videos from the PC to iOS for playing.

I'll write back when/if I'm successful doing something as trivial as
copying a photo from Windows to iOS without using the insecure Apple iTunes bloatware abomination or an Internet server account.

In the meantime, if anyone on these newsgroups has been successful, copying
a photo from Windows to iOS without putting that photo on the net, let me know how you accomplished that task as I'm having trouble breaking out of
the subterranean caverns that are the Apple Ecosystem for that simple task.

Some of the advertising material is just hilarious.

"However, here, one thing that you need to note down is that you can achieve
iPhone to PC Bluetooth file transfer for only a few types of files. In fact,
you can share only a limited amount of data over Bluetooth as it is hectic
to select files manually for iPhone to windows 10 Bluetooth file transfer.
And Bluetooth is certainly not the best way to transfer files. For this reason,
we have explained another great method in the next section."

That's the first time I've seen a technical protocol described as "hectic" :-)

Maybe I should start writing missives about "bone-headed help I find on web pages" :-)

The couple of articles making the claim, seem to claim that just "pairing" devices
is 70% of the battle. Then open a gallery, highlight an image, and some menu should offer the fsquirt protocol that other OSes offer. There must be a flavor of BT profile for this, being it is so common. They forget to tell you to enable "Receive" on the PC end, from the Bluetooth menu, so the Receiver is ready for the file initiation.

It's going to be 75KB/sec, which is hectic, isn't it :-)

I think hectic means, the writer did not get to sell you something.

*******

Any protocol ("Feem") which is only available for Apps, and a win32
does not exist, makes me immediately suspicious.

Do they seek to abuse the Trust system, by loading peoples computing devices via Store delivery ? How many Store environments have the source
for the code ?

*******

"LocalSend: Open-source, cross-platform file sharing to nearby devices"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39662721

It's a shame, there is a mixture of solution types in the thread,
as some of those are bound to involve non-local things.

I don't understand, why a developer would make a Metro.App and
would be incapable of making a win32 one. If your protocol is
encapsulated in a library, and the library claims to "run anywhere",
you could make a command line version pretty easily.

*******

Fsquirt by the way, is pretty clunky. You have to enable Receive on the receiving end, before starting the transmit end. I've used it a few times, where I needed to keep a Win machine isolated from Ethernet, and I was
sending over a 3KB config file. Worked fine for that.

This is all done via Bluetooth menus (maybe in the taskbar lower right).
I only know it as fsquirt.exe , by seeing it in Task Manager or
seeing it in Linux "top" or the like. I don't know what the actual
profile name for that transfer mode is.

Paul

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 03:03:01 -0400, Paul wrote :

Some of the advertising material is just hilarious.

Thanks Paul for helping out, as what I want to do, billions of people must
want to do, which is simply copy a photo from Windows to the iOS device (without needing to put that photo on an Internet server somewhere).

For obvious reasons, I abhor the insecure iTunes bloatware abomination.
And, due to the effort, I don't want to go to all the trouble of setting up iFuse (either inside of WSL or via a grub-based dual boot with the PC).

There's no reason I should need to create an Internet account on the
Microsoft Servers (or any server) just to copy a photo two feet to the PC.

It's going to be 75KB/sec, which is hectic, isn't it :-)

I think the only way to do copy a photo to Linux is via a bluetooth or
Wi-Fi server, which is fine by me if only I could find one that works.

As you can tell, Feem won't work because it can't be downloaded for Windows without having a Windows account, and I don't want any mothership accounts.

It would be helpful if we can download feem WITHOUT a M$ account.
<https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9wzdncrdsfg0?hl=en-US&gl=US>

I think hectic means, the writer did not get to sell you something.

Since all I want to do is transfer a single photo from Windows to the iOS device, it's fine to use the "hectic" bluetooth or Wi-Fi protocols.

As long as the photo stays on the local network, either is fine for me.

Any protocol ("Feem") which is only available for Apps, and a win32
does not exist, makes me immediately suspicious.

There are free apps to copy over Wi-Fi for videos, for example, where I've
used VLC to transfer a full-length movie using VLC's own HTTPS server.

I simply need to find a BT/Wi-Fi app that does the same for photos.
*How to copy a photo from Windows to iOS without needing Internet servers*
<https://comp.mobile.ipad.narkive.com/AjZhDi9j/how-to-copy-a-photo-from-windows-to-ios-without-needing-internet-servers>

Fsquirt by the way, is pretty clunky. You have to enable Receive on the receiving end, before starting the transmit end. I've used it a few times, where I needed to keep a Win machine isolated from Ethernet, and I was sending over a 3KB config file. Worked fine for that.

Hmm. Fsquirt? Never heard of it. Lemme' look for it to see what it does.
Oh. Now I remember. You've mentioned the Windows "fsquirt" command before.

Looking it up, I find this which may mean Apple has disabled fquirt use.
"The fsquirt command is specifically designed for Bluetooth file
transfers, but iOS devices, while having Bluetooth, don't typically
use bluetooth for file transfers in the same way as Windows does."

This is all done via Bluetooth menus (maybe in the taskbar lower right).
I only know it as fsquirt.exe , by seeing it in Task Manager or
seeing it in Linux "top" or the like. I don't know what the actual
profile name for that transfer mode is.

I looked this up and I think Apple is way ahead of us in eliminating the
use of Bluetooth for file transfers. Here's a direct quote of how it works.
"Apple's iOS has strict limitations on Bluetooth file transfers.
iOS primarily uses Bluetooth for connections with peripherals like
headphones or keyboards, and not for general file sharing in the
same way that some other operating systems do."

While Bluetooth file transfers are likely blocked by Apple (on purpose),
what may work is SMB, HTTPS, WebDav, or USB file transfers though.

There's also something called "Apple Devices app for Windows" which looks suspiciously like a renamed trojan for Apple's defunct iTunes abomination.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/install-the-apple-devices-app-mchl5ded2763/windows>
<https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9np83lwlpz9k?hl=en-US&gl=US>
Name: Apple Devices Installer.exe
Size: 1096224 bytes (1070 KiB)
SHA256: 695EC05F9123AB9B0A3F248EA04835018DF4DF05A18BFFBBCE5CC4692F6F9437

This is a stub installer but it seems to download the 200MB installer file.
I couldn't find WHERE it put the 200MB installer file though, so I'll get
back to this iTunes imposter if, at the end, nothing else seems to work.

The sad thing is all I'm trying to do is copy a single photo from Windows
to an iOS device without needing to put that photo onto the Internet first.

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 19:56:59 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote :

He needs to dump android and get apple.

Unfortunately, fsquirt won't work as Apple has purposefully disabled
bluetooth file transfers, apparently, in an attempt to limit user choices.

One option, of course, is to use Apple's trojan bloatware replacement for
the deprecated and insecurely defunct iTunes abomination, which is here:
*Install the Apple Devices app on Windows*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/install-the-apple-devices-app-mchl5ded2763/windows>

Since every thread should add value, here's more information about the
Apple Devices for Windows" program, which maybe replaces iTunes.
<https://apple-devices.en.uptodown.com/windows>
"This program is designed to allow you to use Apple devices
on Windows without having to rely on iTunes as before.
Apple Devices's interface is very simple and minimalistic;
all you have to do is connect your Apple device to your PC
with a USB cable. Once connected, Apple Devices will recognize
the Apple device, and you'll be able to manage all its content
and functions from Windows."

Since we're actually trying to solve the problem of how to copy a photo
from Windows to an iOS device, it behooves us to find a working solution.

Apparently "Documents by Readdle" has a free tier that I will try.
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/documents-file-manager-docs/id364901807>

Also, SMB Manager - CIFS Client seems like it might copy a photo over.
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/smb-manager-cifs-client/id1141340577>

Likewise, "LAN drive SAMBA Server Client" might copy a photo to the iPad.
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/lan-drive-samba-server-client/id1317727404>

But those are clients, I think - but maybe they're also SMB servers?
With respect to SMB servers versus SMB clients, note this distinction.
For iOS to receive a file from a Windows PC, you need an iOS SMB server.
For iOS to retrieve a file from a Windows PC, you need an SMB client.
(i.e., the server pitches the file to the other device)

If SMB doesn't work, another option is to turn the Windows PC into a
temporary local HTTPS/WEBDAV web server to host the photo for iOS.

One such local web server is "HFS HTTP File Server" which is found here.
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/hfs/>
Name: hfs2.3m.zip
Size: 947592 bytes (925 KiB)
SHA256: 5B99A22785D90BE6CB39C58E59C89514CC394152AD0BC83FDB5F56A7AD08E05E
When extracted, there is only a single file in the archive:
Name: hfs.exe
Size: 2171904 bytes (2121 KiB)
SHA256: E678899D7EA9702184167B56655F91A69F8A0BDC9DF65612762252C053C2CD7C

Right now, I'm gonna try that hfs solution, where I'll let you all know
what works as it behooves us to be able to copy a file from Windows to iOS.

In summary, I'll solve this problem, but it would be nice if someone else
on this newsgroup has copied a photo from Windows to the iPad before me.

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On Sun, 4/6/2025 4:07 AM, Marion wrote:

While Bluetooth file transfers are likely blocked by Apple (on purpose),
what may work is SMB, HTTPS, WebDav, or USB file transfers though.

Pair the iPhone and the Windows box.

In the Windows box, use the Bluetooth menu in the Task Bar, to enable Receive.

On the iPhone, open an image gallery, and select the file and see
what send options are offered. It's possible the named PC will appear in
the menu, as a Send tart. Or, it will give some indication it is going
to use Bluetooth. At some point, a target host needs to be selected.

I think iPhone to PC stands the best chance of working, with a
protocol like that (which is not AirDrop).

Paul

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 08:57:58 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

Right now, I'm gonna try that hfs solution, where I'll let you all know
what works as it behooves us to be able to copy a file from Windows to iOS.

Good news. Bad news.

The good news is that we can now easily circumvent all of Apple's absurd restrictions on copying a photo from Windows to the iOS device using HFS.
*Tutorial: How to copy a photo from Window to iOS without Apple restrictions*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19950&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19950>

The bad news is that Steve (and I) were wrong that iOS allows screenshots
when the app being screenshotted doesn't want to allow those screenshots.

I just now tested whether Windows mirroring of iOS screens via Vysor
would be able to capture the protected screenshots from the cartoonifiers.

The unfortunate answer is that even iOS is now protecting its screenshots. Vysor does NOT show the image even as the image shows up on the iPad.
<https://i.postimg.cc/7LssFdjb/vysor-ios.jpg>

In case you're wondering, even the iPad native screenshot mechanism won't capture that image, even as you can *see* it - but it won't capture it.

So, I don't blame Steve, but he's wrong (and so was I) as iOS no longer
allows the Vysor screen mirroring app to take screenshots of the screen
when it's protected by the app (which in my tests was the Voila app).
iOS "Voila"
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/voil%C3%A0-ai-artist-cartoon-ghibli/id1558421405>
Android "Voila"
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wemagineai.voila>

Steve maintains a wonderfully comprehensive document on the differences
between iOS and Android, which I suggest he updates to add this datum.

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 04:59:02 -0400, Paul wrote :

While Bluetooth file transfers are likely blocked by Apple (on purpose),
what may work is SMB, HTTPS, WebDav, or USB file transfers though.

Pair the iPhone and the Windows box.

In the Windows box, use the Bluetooth menu in the Task Bar, to enable Receive.

On the iPhone, open an image gallery, and select the file and see
what send options are offered. It's possible the named PC will appear in
the menu, as a Send tart. Or, it will give some indication it is going
to use Bluetooth. At some point, a target host needs to be selected.

I think iPhone to PC stands the best chance of working, with a
protocol like that (which is not AirDrop).

Hi Paul,

I appreciate you sticking with the focus on the solution of how to copy a
photo from Windows to iOS without having to use the Internet to do it.

I figured it out just moments ago, and it works so well that I will write
up a step-by-step tutorial so that EVERYONE on Windows can do it too!

It turned out to be easy - but of course - that's after I tried a bunch of methods, all of which failed of course - but this last method worked great!

Essentially, all you do, to get a file from Windows to iOS, is serve it
on Windows in any web server and let the iOS web browser download it.

The web server that I used, which worked after dealing with the Windows firewall, was this open source tiny web server for Windows PCs.
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/hfs/>
Name: hfs2.3m.zip
Size: 947592 bytes (925 KiB)
SHA256: 5B99A22785D90BE6CB39C58E59C89514CC394152AD0BC83FDB5F56A7AD08E05E

When extracted, there is only a single file in the archive:
Name: hfs.exe
Size: 2171904 bytes (2121 KiB)
SHA256: E678899D7EA9702184167B56655F91A69F8A0BDC9DF65612762252C053C2CD7C

I'll write up a tutorial so that others can do in two minutes what took me
two hours, which I will post for everyone else to benefit from our work!
*Tutorial: How to copy a photo from Window to iOS without Apple restrictions*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=19950&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#19950>

The good news is this method should work for billions of people.
It doesn't require any other software but this open source HFS server.
I didn't have to mess with anything other than the Windows firewall.

Finally, we can do something as trivial as copy a file from Windows to iOS!

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Marion, 2025-04-05 00:01:

Any tricks for taking screenshots that you're not supposed to take?
(without resorting to a 2FC (two factor camera), of course)

My Android is always mirrored on Windows (because that makes it 2 feet tall and Irfanview is much easier to snap screenshots of the Android screen).

[...]

Is there a trick you know of which will allow you to mirror an Android
screen that itself is designed (on Android) not to be screenshotted?

No. Because otherwise the security measure of not allowing screenshots
of an app would be useless. And before you rant about this - think about banking apps or similar use cases, where you don't want anyone just
grabbing the screen content.

Note: This problem only started with Android 11. Before that, I could screenshot anything on Windows even if Android didn't want me to do it.

Yes, they closed this security issue.

The only option - depending on what your devices support - would be to
connect it with an adapter for USB to HDMI or more common USB to
DisplayPort (which uses USB-C alternate mode for DisplayPort output) and
grab the content using a screengrabber. But of course this only makes
sense, if you need this on a regular basis and are willing to pay for a
grabber hardware.


--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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Marion wrote:

When screencap tries to read the frame buffer of a secure window, the
system is apparently returning successfully a completely blank buffer.

Will the app you wish to screenshot run in an android emulator? If so,
you could presumably screenshot from the host?

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On 4/9/2025 1:15 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

Will the app you wish to screenshot run in an android emulator? If so,
you could presumably screenshot from the host?

Yes, I just tried this with the Costco App and it does work on Windows
with the Bluestacks Android emulator. No black screen! Good advice!

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On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 09:44:12 -0700, sms wrote :

On 4/9/2025 1:15 AM, Andy Burns wrote:

Will the app you wish to screenshot run in an android emulator? If so,
you could presumably screenshot from the host?

Yes, I just tried this with the Costco App and it does work on Windows
with the Bluestacks Android emulator. No black screen! Good advice!

I thank both Andy for suggesting a solution & Steve for testing it out.

Free Android emulators on Windows are Google, Arm, Microsoft, Genymotion, Andyroid, Bluestacks, Nox, Koplayer, Remixos and MeMu emulators.

I have written a tutorial for every one of them on Windows, so I will try
one of them out when I get a chance to test Andy's helpful suggestion.
(see sig for summary)

If it works, and I think it might, it may work based on the *version* of
the Android operating system (which you can control in some emulators).

Or, it may innately work just because the "FLAG_SECURE" isn't respected
by the PC method that we use (e.g., IrfanView) to snap that screenshot.

When I get a chance, I'll test it out and update this thread accordingly.

While I operate my phone from the PC almost 100% of the time, this has the advantage that a real phone doesn't even need to exist to get it to work.
--
C:\app\editor\android\emu\{google,arm,ms,geny,andy,blue,nox,ko,mumu,remix}
Google (Android ?, fails on older AMD CPUs but is the default for AS)
Arm (Android ?, nobody recommends as they are too slow to be usable)
Microsoft (Android 6, works great on older AMD CPUs, integrates into AS)
Genymotion (Android 7.1, everyone recommends for speed & compatibility)
Andyroid (Android 7.1.2, simple setup where AS instantly recognized it)
Bluestacks (Android 7.1.1, simple setup, runs fast, but AS didn't see it)
Nox (Android 4.4.2, targeted to gamers)
Ko (Android ?)
MeMu (Android Lollipop)
RemixOS* (Android Marshmallow, incompatible with AMD)

*Google Emulators* (Android 9)
Google Emulators are the cat's meow, all the way to Android 9
But they don't work on older AMD CPUs (on Windows only, apparently)
One great thing about the Google emulators, is some have Google Play
That allows people to run other software, e.g., NewPipe as one example
Comes pre-integrated with Android Studio

*Arm Emulators* (Android 9?)
They are too slow on my machine to be worth the trouble
Most people suggest ARM eabi-v7a for older AMD CPUs it's slow
Does not appear to come with Google Play (which is important)
Comes pre-integrated with Android Studio

*Microsoft Emulators* (Last version, forever, is Android 6)
The Microsoft Emulators are fantastic - but they stop at Android 6
The Microsoft emulators don't appear to have Google Play installed
They're the only emulators that work with Windows 10 Pro Hyper-V enabled!
Very easy to integrate into Android Studio (as an external tool)
<https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/msft-android-emulator/>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/aW64zYeBtF0%5B1-25%5D>

*Genymotion Emulator* (Android 4 to 7 - and maybe 8 & 9)
Generally considered superior to all other emulators on Windows!
Most complex to set up (if things fail) due to Win10 & VMWare needs
Very well integrated into Android Studio (even has its own plugin)
I don't see Google Play (yet)
<https://www.genymotion.com/fun-zone/>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/ix9empN-mxg/07ZmH2AWAQAJ>

*Andyroid Emulator* (Android 7.1.2)
This is very simple to set up (turn off Windows 10 Hyper-V!)
This installs Bonjour and VMWare bundled "services"
Comes with Google Play & F-Droid NewPipe came up, ran, but failed
Android Studio recognized it instantly so it's nicely integrated
<https://www.andyroid.net/>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/FkZu5vAswYo/wISRtpUUAQAJ>

*Bluestacks4 Emulator* (Android 7.1.1)
This is very simple to set up (turn off Windows 10 Hyper-V!)
They seem to be very focused on running Android games on Windows
Comes with Google Play & successfully ran F-Droid NewPipe tests
I need to learn how to integrate it into Android Studio
Drawback is that it has ads
<https://www.bluestacks.com/bluestacks-4.html>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/JBRjZ39w4Ok>

*Nox* (Android 4.4.2)
Targeted to gamers
No ads
https://www.bignox.com/

*MeMu (Android Lollipop)
Targeted to gamers
Good support for AMD & Nvidia chips
https://www.memuplay.com

*Ko Player* (Android )
Targeted to gamers
Ad supported
Said to be buggy
http://www.koplayer.com/
Updated: Nov 26, 2018 Version: 2.0.0
http://down1.koplayer.com/Emulator/koplayer-2.0.0.exe

*Remix* (Android Marshmallow)
Incompatible with AMD chips
Jide Technology has stopped supporting this
It's an Android boot system
http://www.jide.com/remixos
Version 3.0.207 Release date: November 25, 2016
It doesn't seem to be available in 2018

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On 2025-04-04 15:01, Marion wrote:

Any tricks for taking screenshots that you're not supposed to take?
(without resorting to a 2FC (two factor camera), of course)

My Android is always mirrored on Windows (because that makes it 2 feet tall and Irfanview is much easier to snap screenshots of the Android screen).

I have some free cartoonify apps on Android that allow me to snap screenshots, so that I can save them BEFORE the watermark is added.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vicman.toonmeapp>

But I have a specific Android free cartoonify program that shows the resulting cartooned image on the Android phone without a watermark,
but only saves it with the watermark. So I want to screenshot it 1st.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wemagineai.voila>

While I can always edit out the watermark using the free PhotoShop alternative app on Windows (i.e., Paint.NET), I'd rather screenshot it.

Hence my question...

Is there a trick you know of which will allow you to mirror an Android
screen that itself is designed (on Android) not to be screenshotted?

You want people to help you steal.

Got it.

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