• Tutorial: How to copy a photo from Window to iOS without Apple restrict

    From Marion@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 6 10:26:46 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Tutorial: How to copy a photo from Window to iOS without Apple restrictions

    HFS is a free single-executable very small HTML server for Windows.
    HFS does not need a login account or the Internet to transfer files.
    HFS uses only the local Wi-Fi (LAN) network.
    HFS does not require creating any online accounts or logins.
    HFS leverages any browser on iOS to share files with iOS devices.
    Therefore HFS bypasses Apple's arbitrary file-transfer restrictions.
    There is no need for iTunes, iCloud, Apple Mobile Devices, etc.

    Set up a Windows HFS server so any iOS browser can get files from a PC.
    1. Download the HFS file server installer.
    <https://sourceforge.net/projects/hfs/>
    Name: hfs2.3m.zip
    Size: 947592 bytes (925 KiB)
    SHA256: 5B99A22785D90BE6CB39C58E59C89514CC394152AD0BC83FDB5F56A7AD08E05E
    2. When extracted, there is only a single file in the archive:
    Name: hfs.exe
    Size: 2171904 bytes (2121 KiB)
    SHA256: E678899D7EA9702184167B56655F91A69F8A0BDC9DF65612762252C053C2CD7C
    3. Doubleclick on hfs.exe in the Windows file explorer
    I put it here: C:\app\servers\hfs\hfs.exe
    4. Look for the "Virtual File System" pane in the HFS GUI
    5. Drag and drop your photos into this VFS section.
    Clipboard_04-05-2025_01.jpg
    Clipboard_04-05-2025_02.jpg
    6. HFS shows the local IP address in the "Address" field at the top
    http://192.168.0.2/Clipboard_04-05-2025_01.jpg
    http://192.168.0.2/Clipboard_04-05-2025_02.jpg
    7. You'll have to let HFS through the Windows firewall.
    First, figure out if your LAN is considered public or private
    Win+I > Network & Internet > {Ethernet/Wi-Fi} > Network profile
    Win+R > firewall.cpl
    Find hfs.exe in "Windows Defender Firewall" > "Allowed apps"
    Set either "Private" or "Public" to be checked (allowed)
    8. Since iOS has a miserable underscore/dash keyboard, rename the files
    (right click on them inside the HFS GUI & rename to pic1.jpg, pic2.jpg)
    9. Check the iPad is connected to the same Wi-Fi network as the Windows PC
    Find the iPad IP address in Settings > Wi-Fi > (i) > IP Address
    Win+R > cmd > C:\> ping 192.168.0.3
    10. Open any web browser on the iPad, e.g., Safari
    11. Enter those URLs
    http://192.168.0.2/pic1.jpg
    http://192.168.0.2/pic2.jpg
    12. Then use the browser GUI to "Save to Files" or "Save Image"

    Now other Apple iOS apps can access those images from your DCIM folder,
    (or from wherever the browser put them, e.g., the Downloads folder).

    As always, please improve so that billions of people benefit from
    every post you make, which is why we all should learn from each other.
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    there are ways to tunnel from Apple ecosystem to get into the real world.

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to Marion on Sun Apr 6 15:09:26 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Marion wrote:
    Tutorial: How to copy a photo from Window to iOS without Apple restrictions

    HFS is a free single-executable very small HTML server for Windows.
    HFS does not need a login account or the Internet to transfer files.
    HFS uses only the local Wi-Fi (LAN) network.
    HFS does not require creating any online accounts or logins.
    HFS leverages any browser on iOS to share files with iOS devices.
    Therefore HFS bypasses Apple's arbitrary file-transfer restrictions.
    There is no need for iTunes, iCloud, Apple Mobile Devices, etc.

    Set up a Windows HFS server so any iOS browser can get files from a PC.
    1. Download the HFS file server installer.
    <https://sourceforge.net/projects/hfs/>
    Name: hfs2.3m.zip
    Size: 947592 bytes (925 KiB)
    SHA256: 5B99A22785D90BE6CB39C58E59C89514CC394152AD0BC83FDB5F56A7AD08E05E 2. When extracted, there is only a single file in the archive:
    Name: hfs.exe
    Size: 2171904 bytes (2121 KiB)
    SHA256: E678899D7EA9702184167B56655F91A69F8A0BDC9DF65612762252C053C2CD7C 3. Doubleclick on hfs.exe in the Windows file explorer
    I put it here: C:\app\servers\hfs\hfs.exe
    4. Look for the "Virtual File System" pane in the HFS GUI
    5. Drag and drop your photos into this VFS section.
    Clipboard_04-05-2025_01.jpg
    Clipboard_04-05-2025_02.jpg
    6. HFS shows the local IP address in the "Address" field at the top
    http://192.168.0.2/Clipboard_04-05-2025_01.jpg
    http://192.168.0.2/Clipboard_04-05-2025_02.jpg
    7. You'll have to let HFS through the Windows firewall.
    First, figure out if your LAN is considered public or private
    Win+I > Network & Internet > {Ethernet/Wi-Fi} > Network profile
    Win+R > firewall.cpl
    Find hfs.exe in "Windows Defender Firewall" > "Allowed apps"
    Set either "Private" or "Public" to be checked (allowed)
    8. Since iOS has a miserable underscore/dash keyboard, rename the files
    (right click on them inside the HFS GUI & rename to pic1.jpg, pic2.jpg) 9. Check the iPad is connected to the same Wi-Fi network as the Windows PC
    Find the iPad IP address in Settings > Wi-Fi > (i) > IP Address
    Win+R > cmd > C:\> ping 192.168.0.3
    10. Open any web browser on the iPad, e.g., Safari
    11. Enter those URLs
    http://192.168.0.2/pic1.jpg
    http://192.168.0.2/pic2.jpg
    12. Then use the browser GUI to "Save to Files" or "Save Image"

    Now other Apple iOS apps can access those images from your DCIM folder,
    (or from wherever the browser put them, e.g., the Downloads folder).

    As always, please improve so that billions of people benefit from
    every post you make, which is why we all should learn from each other.

    Such a trip around the houses, and then 12 steps.

    Why not this?

    1. Use iTunes.

    Ed

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Sun Apr 6 21:14:11 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 6, 2025 at 10:09:26 AM EDT, "Ed Cryer" <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

    Marion wrote:
    Tutorial: How to copy a photo from Window to iOS without Apple restrictions >>
    HFS is a free single-executable very small HTML server for Windows.
    HFS does not need a login account or the Internet to transfer files.
    HFS uses only the local Wi-Fi (LAN) network.
    HFS does not require creating any online accounts or logins.
    HFS leverages any browser on iOS to share files with iOS devices.
    Therefore HFS bypasses Apple's arbitrary file-transfer restrictions.
    There is no need for iTunes, iCloud, Apple Mobile Devices, etc.

    Set up a Windows HFS server so any iOS browser can get files from a PC.
    1. Download the HFS file server installer.
    <https://sourceforge.net/projects/hfs/>
    Name: hfs2.3m.zip
    Size: 947592 bytes (925 KiB)
    SHA256: 5B99A22785D90BE6CB39C58E59C89514CC394152AD0BC83FDB5F56A7AD08E05E >> 2. When extracted, there is only a single file in the archive:
    Name: hfs.exe
    Size: 2171904 bytes (2121 KiB)
    SHA256: E678899D7EA9702184167B56655F91A69F8A0BDC9DF65612762252C053C2CD7C >> 3. Doubleclick on hfs.exe in the Windows file explorer
    I put it here: C:\app\servers\hfs\hfs.exe
    4. Look for the "Virtual File System" pane in the HFS GUI
    5. Drag and drop your photos into this VFS section.
    Clipboard_04-05-2025_01.jpg
    Clipboard_04-05-2025_02.jpg
    6. HFS shows the local IP address in the "Address" field at the top
    http://192.168.0.2/Clipboard_04-05-2025_01.jpg
    http://192.168.0.2/Clipboard_04-05-2025_02.jpg
    7. You'll have to let HFS through the Windows firewall.
    First, figure out if your LAN is considered public or private
    Win+I > Network & Internet > {Ethernet/Wi-Fi} > Network profile
    Win+R > firewall.cpl
    Find hfs.exe in "Windows Defender Firewall" > "Allowed apps"
    Set either "Private" or "Public" to be checked (allowed)
    8. Since iOS has a miserable underscore/dash keyboard, rename the files
    (right click on them inside the HFS GUI & rename to pic1.jpg, pic2.jpg) >> 9. Check the iPad is connected to the same Wi-Fi network as the Windows PC >> Find the iPad IP address in Settings > Wi-Fi > (i) > IP Address
    Win+R > cmd > C:\> ping 192.168.0.3
    10. Open any web browser on the iPad, e.g., Safari
    11. Enter those URLs
    http://192.168.0.2/pic1.jpg
    http://192.168.0.2/pic2.jpg
    12. Then use the browser GUI to "Save to Files" or "Save Image"

    Now other Apple iOS apps can access those images from your DCIM folder,
    (or from wherever the browser put them, e.g., the Downloads folder).

    As always, please improve so that billions of people benefit from
    every post you make, which is why we all should learn from each other.

    Such a trip around the houses, and then 12 steps.

    Why not this?

    1. Use iTunes.

    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads. Connect to Server, enter the IP address
    of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal username/password for Windows. Select the drive to connect, copy/paste whatever you want in both directions.

    Done.

    All using native software on both ends. Nothing to install or setup.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Sun Apr 6 20:30:16 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 15:09:26 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote :


    Such a trip around the houses, and then 12 steps.

    Red herring. Well-known Apple trolls like Ed Cryer are so desperate to
    defend Apple's clusterfuck solutions that they claim *this* is 12 steps!

    1. *Use HFS.*

    Why not this?

    I wonder if you realize that Apple has never tested iTunes which is why
    there are more zero-day holes in iTunes than almost any other software.

    We proved long ago on the Windows newsgroup that you have *more*
    functionality without the iTunes abomination installed, than with it!

    This is WITHOUT the iTunes abomination installed on Windows 10.
    1. This is the version of SharePod that I used on Windows 10:
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod001.jpg>
    2. The SharePod interface gives you unrestricted access to MP3 files:
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod002.jpg>
    3. Here we batch copy (& rename) files from iPod to Windows 10:
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod003.jpg>
    4. Resulting in an organized archive of all files on any number of iPods:
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod004.jpg>
    5. Populate the iPod by syncing with any number of Windows MP3 files:
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod005.jpg>
    6. If desired, the ID3 tags can all be batch organized to your liking:
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod006.jpg>
    7. With the result that you have unrestricted access to your iPod:
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod007.jpg>

    All that breaks the instant you install the iTunes bloatware abomination.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg> itunes breaks everything

    1. Use iTunes.

    Clearly you have no idea what an AppleID is if you make that crazy claim.

    Just as clearly you've never installed iTunes on a Windows computer if you think that installing & using the iTunes abomination is a single step.

    Clearly you've never heard of the astoundingly huge amount of completely untested bloatware abominations which infect the Apple iTunes abomination.

    iTunes Application:
    This is the core program used for managing your media library, accessing
    the iTunes Store, and syncing with Apple devices.

    Apple Application Support (32-bit and 64-bit):
    These are framework components that are required by iTunes and other Apple software installed on your computer.

    Apple Mobile Device Support:
    This component provides the necessary drivers and services for your Windows computer to communicate with your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch. It's
    essential for syncing and managing your devices.

    Bonjour Service:
    This is Apple's implementation of Zero-configuration Networking (Zeroconf), which enables automatic discovery of devices and services on a local
    network. It's used for features like iTunes library sharing and AirPlay.
    Some users might not need this if they don't use these features.
    Apple Software Update: This utility automatically checks for and installs updates for Apple software on your Windows PC. Some users find its notifications intrusive.

    iTunesHelper.exe:
    This is a background process that can automatically launch iTunes when you connect an Apple device.

    QTTask.exe:
    This is a QuickTime-related background process. Even though QuickTime for Windows is no longer officially supported by Apple with security updates,
    some older iTunes versions might have installed components related to it.

    Hell, thank your lucky stars at least Apple removed the QuickTime
    abomination from the untested Windows iTunes bloatware abomination.
    <https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/8kz7v1/how_to_install_itunes_without_bloatware_in/?rdt=33872>
    --
    The Apple trolls hate that Apple provided them the clusterfuck that iTunes
    is, where even Apple has sworn off support for iTunes many years ago!

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  • From Oliver@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Sun Apr 6 16:14:26 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 21:14:11 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote

    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads. Connect to Server, enter the IP address of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal username/password for Windows. Select the drive to connect, copy/paste whatever you want in both directions.

    Done.

    All using native software on both ends. Nothing to install or setup.

    What server do you connect to using native software on both sides?

    Windows doesn't have a native Apple Files server on it, does it?

    If Windows has a native Apple Files server, what's the path to it?

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Oliver on Sun Apr 6 22:27:25 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 6, 2025 at 6:14:26 PM EDT, "Oliver" <ollie@invalid.net> wrote:

    On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 21:14:11 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote

    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads. Connect to Server, enter the IP address >> of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal username/password for
    Windows. Select the drive to connect, copy/paste whatever you want in both >> directions.

    Done.

    All using native software on both ends. Nothing to install or setup.

    What server do you connect to using native software on both sides?

    Windows doesn't have a native Apple Files server on it, does it?

    If Windows has a native Apple Files server, what's the path to it?

    You connect to a shared Windows drive. Same way you connect one Windows computer to another Windows computer.

    Files are files. You don't need a "native Apple Files server" (whatever that is). You do need to have the C drive (or whatever drive) shared in Windows.
    I have all my drives in all my computers here shared, so I can easily move files from Mac to Windows or Windows to iPad or whatever I need to do.

    You just connect to the shared C drive (or whatever drive) in the Files app.
    Copy the file(s) and paste into the Files app under "On my iPad/iPhone".

    This is networking 101, folks. You are basically doing "Map Network Drive"
    the same way you do it in Windows, except that there is no drive letter on the iPad. It is just a "Network Server".

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 6 22:45:07 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 6, 2025 at 6:39:49 PM EDT, "Larry Wolff" <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    Be aware that it's way more than a dozen steps to get what you'll need. Nothing using Apple products with Windows will ever be only one step.

    The Files app on iPhone/iPad works fine for this. You connect to Windows
    shared drives/folders/whatever. Copy and paste whatever you need.

    Am I the only person on the planet who knows this?

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  • From Larry Wolff@21:1/5 to Marion on Sun Apr 6 18:39:49 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 4/6/2025 8:30 PM, Marion wrote:

    Clearly you've never heard of the astoundingly huge amount of completely untested bloatware abominations which infect the Apple iTunes abomination.

    Apple stopped testing iTunes years ago, and doesn't even claim it still
    works. Apple replaced it on Windows with a smaller less-bloated product.

    Apple Mobile Device Support provides the necessary drivers to allow your
    iOS device to be recognized by your Windows PC for basic file transfers.

    But Apple Mobile Device Support is not native on Windows and screws it up.

    Even Apple Devices Installer isn't native to Windows but at least it's a
    much less bloated and hence more direct way to get those same Apple Mobile Device Support drivers without the unnecessary bloat of Windows iTunes.

    Unfortunately, Apple doesn't offer a dedicated standalone installer just
    for the Apple Mobile Device Support drivers outside of iTunes, so Apple
    Devices Installer is usually distributed through a third-party source.

    Since that means it's not an official Apple release, here is a link to
    Apple's official page that explains how to get the Apple Mobile Device
    Support (which is part of the process when you install iTunes)

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204095

    Be aware that it's way more than a dozen steps to get what you'll need.
    Nothing using Apple products with Windows will ever be only one step.

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  • From Jan K.@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 6 23:38:25 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    W Sun, 06 Apr 2025 22:45:07 +0000, Tyrone napisal:

    Be aware that it's way more than a dozen steps to get what you'll need.
    Nothing using Apple products with Windows will ever be only one step.

    The Files app on iPhone/iPad works fine for this. You connect to Windows shared drives/folders/whatever. Copy and paste whatever you need.

    Am I the only person on the planet who knows this?

    What Tyrone is talking about are the steps to set up SMB (File Sharing) on Windows to then use native SMB file sharing to get the files over to iOS.

    First you need to know your Windows PC ip address. 192.168.1.whatever.
    Then you need to enable File Sharing on Windows by going to the
    Control Panel > Network and Sharing Center > Change advanced sharing
    settings > Turn on File and Printer Sharing > then right-click the folder
    you want to share and select Properties > Sharing > Advanced Sharing >
    Share this folder.

    Note the PC name or IP address (e.g., 192.168.1.whatever) and the shared
    folder path \\pcname\sharename.

    To access the Windows shared folder on iOS, Open the Files app on your
    iPhone or iPad. Tap Browse at the bottom, then tap three dots at the
    top-right and select Connect to Server (for example 192.168.1.whatever).

    Enter the network address of the shared folder, for example smb://192.168.1.whatever/shared_folder_name. You will be prompted for a username and password. But most of the time this will fail with the error
    of "The operation couldn't be completed. Invalid argument." which is common because the Apple software can't conceive of a person having no password.

    The only way around Apple's requirement that every user on Windows has a password is to create an account just so that you can transfer files to iOS (which is absurd but it's how Apple tells Windows users what to do).

    Once you've created a dedicated extra Windows account just for the iOS file transfers, your iOS device will be able to see the shared files on your
    Windows PC. You can then copy files from your PC to the Files app on your iPhone or iPad directly but only if you first copy them into the shared
    folder.

    If you don't want to go through the extra steps to create a specific
    account for Apple iOS devices to use, you can just enable the insecure
    guest account on Windows, and the Apple Files app is happy to use it.

    But then you'll get the error message inside the iOS Files app of "Content Unavailable. The folder contents could not be displayed because you don't
    have permission to see its contents. Try again."

    This method uses SMB to transfer files locally over your Wi-Fi network, completely bypassing the need for USB cables, iTunes, or other apps. It's
    fast, free, and doesn't require additional software. It also works for a variety of file types (such as images, documents, videos, etc.). But it
    means you have to have a guest account or an account with a password to use
    it. In reality, you're better off using a dedicated SMB client on iOS.

    And it's a lot more than just one step.

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  • From Jan K.@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 6 23:36:54 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    W Sun, 06 Apr 2025 22:27:25 +0000, Tyrone napisal:

    You connect to a shared Windows drive. Same way you connect one Windows computer to another Windows computer.

    Files are files. You don't need a "native Apple Files server" (whatever that is). You do need to have the C drive (or whatever drive) shared in Windows. I have all my drives in all my computers here shared, so I can easily move files from Mac to Windows or Windows to iPad or whatever I need to do.

    You just connect to the shared C drive (or whatever drive) in the Files app.
    Copy the file(s) and paste into the Files app under "On my iPad/iPhone".

    This is networking 101, folks. You are basically doing "Map Network Drive" the same way you do it in Windows, except that there is no drive letter on the
    iPad. It is just a "Network Server".

    What Tyrone is talking about are the steps to set up SMB (File Sharing) on Windows to then use native SMB file sharing to get the files over to iOS.

    First you need to know your Windows PC ip address. 192.168.1.whatever.
    Then you need to enable File Sharing on Windows by going to the
    Control Panel > Network and Sharing Center > Change advanced sharing
    settings > Turn on File and Printer Sharing > then right-click the folder
    you want to share and select Properties > Sharing > Advanced Sharing >
    Share this folder.

    Note the PC name or IP address (e.g., 192.168.1.whatever) and the shared
    folder path \\pcname\sharename.

    To access the Windows shared folder on iOS, Open the Files app on your
    iPhone or iPad. Tap Browse at the bottom, then tap three dots at the
    top-right and select Connect to Server (for example 192.168.1.whatever).

    Enter the network address of the shared folder, for example smb://192.168.1.whatever/shared_folder_name. You will be prompted for a username and password. But most of the time this will fail with the error
    of "The operation couldn't be completed. Invalid argument." which is common because the Apple software can't conceive of a person having no password.

    The only way around Apple's requirement that every user on Windows has a password is to create an account just so that you can transfer files to iOS (which is absurd but it's how Apple tells Windows users what to do).

    Once you've created a dedicated extra Windows account just for the iOS file transfers, your iOS device will be able to see the shared files on your
    Windows PC. You can then copy files from your PC to the Files app on your iPhone or iPad directly but only if you first copy them into the shared
    folder.

    If you don't want to go through the extra steps to create a specific
    account for Apple iOS devices to use, you can just enable the insecure
    guest account on Windows, and the Apple Files app is happy to use it.

    But then you'll get the error message inside the iOS Files app of "Content Unavailable. The folder contents could not be displayed because you don't
    have permission to see its contents. Try again."

    This method uses SMB to transfer files locally over your Wi-Fi network, completely bypassing the need for USB cables, iTunes, or other apps. It's
    fast, free, and doesn't require additional software. It also works for a variety of file types (such as images, documents, videos, etc.). But it
    means you have to have a guest account or an account with a password to use
    it. In reality, you're better off using a dedicated SMB client on iOS.

    And it's a lot more than just one step.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Oliver on Mon Apr 7 00:39:11 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-06, Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 21:14:11 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote

    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads. Connect to Server, enter the IP
    address of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal
    username/password for Windows. Select the drive to connect,
    copy/paste whatever you want in both directions.

    Done.

    All using native software on both ends. Nothing to install or
    setup.

    What server do you connect to using native software on both sides?

    Windows doesn't have a native Apple Files server on it, does it?

    If Windows has a native Apple Files server, what's the path to it?

    Are you guys really so ignorant about Apple products you don't know they
    can connect to shared volumes over standard SMB connections? ...cuz
    that's the vibe you're giving off here. 🤣

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Larry Wolff on Mon Apr 7 00:42:59 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-06, Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:
    On 4/6/2025 8:30 PM, Marion wrote:

    Clearly you've never heard of the astoundingly huge amount of
    completely untested bloatware abominations which infect the Apple
    iTunes abomination.

    Apple stopped testing iTunes

    iTunes runs fine in Windows. I've got it installed. And it works fine
    for this purpose. No issues. Stop lying.

    And you don't even need that if your Windows PC is file sharing, which
    is easily accessed in the iOS default "Files" app.

    The bullshit you trolls come up with is weak. Do better.

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    JR

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Apr 7 03:54:00 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 6, 2025 at 8:39:11 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-06, Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 21:14:11 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote

    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads. Connect to Server, enter the IP
    address of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal
    username/password for Windows. Select the drive to connect,
    copy/paste whatever you want in both directions.

    Done.

    All using native software on both ends. Nothing to install or
    setup.

    What server do you connect to using native software on both sides?

    Windows doesn't have a native Apple Files server on it, does it?

    If Windows has a native Apple Files server, what's the path to it?

    Are you guys really so ignorant about Apple products you don't know they
    can connect to shared volumes over standard SMB connections? ...cuz
    that's the vibe you're giving off here. 🤣

    Yes. Trolls are really this stupid. Because the trolls STILL claim "Its impossible to transfer files between iOS and (fill in the blank)".

    When in fact, it is just as easy to transfer files between iOS and Windows as it is between Windows and Windows. Share the drive on one, connect to that drive on the other.

    Its known as "networking". The trolls should look into that.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.co on Mon Apr 7 03:43:44 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 6, 2025 at 7:38:25 PM EDT, ""Jan K."" <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:

    W Sun, 06 Apr 2025 22:45:07 +0000, Tyrone napisal:

    Be aware that it's way more than a dozen steps to get what you'll need.
    Nothing using Apple products with Windows will ever be only one step.

    The Files app on iPhone/iPad works fine for this. You connect to Windows
    shared drives/folders/whatever. Copy and paste whatever you need.

    Am I the only person on the planet who knows this?

    What Tyrone is talking about are the steps to set up SMB (File Sharing) on Windows to then use native SMB file sharing to get the files over to iOS.

    First you need to know your Windows PC ip address. 192.168.1.whatever.
    Then you need to enable File Sharing on Windows by going to the
    Control Panel > Network and Sharing Center > Change advanced sharing
    settings > Turn on File and Printer Sharing > then right-click the folder
    you want to share and select Properties > Sharing > Advanced Sharing >
    Share this folder.

    Note the PC name or IP address (e.g., 192.168.1.whatever) and the shared folder path \\pcname\sharename.

    To access the Windows shared folder on iOS, Open the Files app on your
    iPhone or iPad. Tap Browse at the bottom, then tap three dots at the top-right and select Connect to Server (for example 192.168.1.whatever).

    Enter the network address of the shared folder, for example smb://192.168.1.whatever/shared_folder_name. You will be prompted for a username and password. But most of the time this will fail with the error
    of "The operation couldn't be completed. Invalid argument." which is common because the Apple software can't conceive of a person having no password.

    The only way around Apple's requirement that every user on Windows has a password is to create an account just so that you can transfer files to iOS (which is absurd but it's how Apple tells Windows users what to do).

    Once you've created a dedicated extra Windows account just for the iOS file transfers, your iOS device will be able to see the shared files on your Windows PC. You can then copy files from your PC to the Files app on your iPhone or iPad directly but only if you first copy them into the shared folder.

    If you don't want to go through the extra steps to create a specific
    account for Apple iOS devices to use, you can just enable the insecure
    guest account on Windows, and the Apple Files app is happy to use it.

    But then you'll get the error message inside the iOS Files app of "Content Unavailable. The folder contents could not be displayed because you don't have permission to see its contents. Try again."

    This method uses SMB to transfer files locally over your Wi-Fi network, completely bypassing the need for USB cables, iTunes, or other apps. It's fast, free, and doesn't require additional software. It also works for a variety of file types (such as images, documents, videos, etc.). But it
    means you have to have a guest account or an account with a password to use it. In reality, you're better off using a dedicated SMB client on iOS.

    And it's a lot more than just one step.

    Yeah, its 2 steps. (1) Share the drive in question. (2) Connect to the drive in the Files app.

    Done.

    Once the Windows drive is shared, future file transfers are 1 step.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.co on Mon Apr 7 03:43:21 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 6, 2025 at 7:36:54 PM EDT, ""Jan K."" <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:

    W Sun, 06 Apr 2025 22:27:25 +0000, Tyrone napisal:

    You connect to a shared Windows drive. Same way you connect one Windows
    computer to another Windows computer.

    Files are files. You don't need a "native Apple Files server" (whatever that >> is). You do need to have the C drive (or whatever drive) shared in Windows. >> I have all my drives in all my computers here shared, so I can easily move >> files from Mac to Windows or Windows to iPad or whatever I need to do.

    You just connect to the shared C drive (or whatever drive) in the Files app. >> Copy the file(s) and paste into the Files app under "On my iPad/iPhone".

    This is networking 101, folks. You are basically doing "Map Network Drive" >> the same way you do it in Windows, except that there is no drive letter on the
    iPad. It is just a "Network Server".

    What Tyrone is talking about are the steps to set up SMB (File Sharing) on Windows to then use native SMB file sharing to get the files over to iOS.

    First you need to know your Windows PC ip address. 192.168.1.whatever.
    Then you need to enable File Sharing on Windows by going to the
    Control Panel > Network and Sharing Center > Change advanced sharing
    settings > Turn on File and Printer Sharing > then right-click the folder
    you want to share and select Properties > Sharing > Advanced Sharing >
    Share this folder.

    Note the PC name or IP address (e.g., 192.168.1.whatever) and the shared folder path \\pcname\sharename.

    To access the Windows shared folder on iOS, Open the Files app on your
    iPhone or iPad. Tap Browse at the bottom, then tap three dots at the top-right and select Connect to Server (for example 192.168.1.whatever).

    Enter the network address of the shared folder, for example smb://192.168.1.whatever/shared_folder_name. You will be prompted for a username and password. But most of the time this will fail with the error
    of "The operation couldn't be completed. Invalid argument." which is common because the Apple software can't conceive of a person having no password.

    The only way around Apple's requirement that every user on Windows has a password is to create an account just so that you can transfer files to iOS (which is absurd but it's how Apple tells Windows users what to do).

    Once you've created a dedicated extra Windows account just for the iOS file transfers, your iOS device will be able to see the shared files on your Windows PC. You can then copy files from your PC to the Files app on your iPhone or iPad directly but only if you first copy them into the shared folder.

    If you don't want to go through the extra steps to create a specific
    account for Apple iOS devices to use, you can just enable the insecure
    guest account on Windows, and the Apple Files app is happy to use it.

    But then you'll get the error message inside the iOS Files app of "Content Unavailable. The folder contents could not be displayed because you don't have permission to see its contents. Try again."

    This method uses SMB to transfer files locally over your Wi-Fi network, completely bypassing the need for USB cables, iTunes, or other apps. It's fast, free, and doesn't require additional software. It also works for a variety of file types (such as images, documents, videos, etc.). But it
    means you have to have a guest account or an account with a password to use it. In reality, you're better off using a dedicated SMB client on iOS.

    And it's a lot more than just one step.

    Yeah, its 2 steps. (1) Share the drive in question. (2) Connect to the drive in the Files app.

    Done.

    Once the Windows drive is shared, future file transfers are 1 step.

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  • From Enrico Papaloma@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Apr 7 08:53:38 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 4/7/2025 8:16 AM, Paul wrote:
    Yes, you can transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC using the
    **SMB (Server Message Block)** protocol.

    Anyone can pull off an iPhone/iOS but the hard part is going the other way.

    Pushing the file from the PC to iOS is what this thread seems to be about
    based on the subject, which is to PUSH from the PC to the iPhone/iPad.

    And you have to be able to PUSH from the PC to iOS all file types & sizes.

    You'd need an SMB server on the iOS device & the SMB client on Windows.

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  • From Hank@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon Apr 7 08:59:59 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Tyrone wrote to us on Mon, 07 Apr 2025 03:43:21 +0000:

    And it's a lot more than just one step.

    Yeah, its 2 steps. (1) Share the drive in question. (2) Connect to the drive
    in the Files app.

    Done.

    Once the Windows drive is shared, future file transfers are 1 step.

    It's obvious to everyone that you've never done what you claim above.

    Ignoring your suggested absurdity of sharing an entire drive for all to
    see, even iTunes is one step when you gloss over the other fifty steps.
    1. Use iTunes

    So is the suggested solution of one step, if you gloss over everything.
    1. Use HFS

    So is your suggested solution, if you gloss arcane SMB sharing setup.
    1. Use SMB

    That you can't do it is obvious by the fact you can't show screenshots.
    Show everyone, with screenshots, that you can push PC files to iOS.

    In two steps.
    We'll wait for you to prove, with screenshots, that you have done it.

    Because nobody else has.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon Apr 7 02:16:41 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Sun, 4/6/2025 11:54 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 6, 2025 at 8:39:11 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-06, Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 21:14:11 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote

    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads. Connect to Server, enter the IP
    address of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal
    username/password for Windows. Select the drive to connect,
    copy/paste whatever you want in both directions.

    Done.

    All using native software on both ends. Nothing to install or
    setup.

    What server do you connect to using native software on both sides?

    Windows doesn't have a native Apple Files server on it, does it?

    If Windows has a native Apple Files server, what's the path to it?

    Are you guys really so ignorant about Apple products you don't know they
    can connect to shared volumes over standard SMB connections? ...cuz
    that's the vibe you're giving off here. 🤣

    Yes. Trolls are really this stupid. Because the trolls STILL claim "Its impossible to transfer files between iOS and (fill in the blank)".

    When in fact, it is just as easy to transfer files between iOS and Windows as it is between Windows and Windows. Share the drive on one, connect to that drive on the other.

    Its known as "networking". The trolls should look into that.


    I tried to verify this using Google searches, but strangely, the
    technique was not promoted in the answers.

    I used CoPilot, and ran the question there.

    ******* CoPilot session *******

    Can you transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC by using smb:// file sharing ?
    Which iPhone models or iOS revisions would be required for this feature to work ?

    Yes, you can transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC using the
    **SMB (Server Message Block)** protocol. This feature is supported through
    the **Files app** on iPhones running **iOS 13 or later**. It allows you to connect to SMB file servers, including shared folders on a Windows PC, over
    the same local network.

    To use this feature:
    1. Ensure your iPhone and Windows PC are connected to the same network.
    2. On your Windows PC, create a shared folder and enable SMB sharing.
    3. On your iPhone, open the Files app, tap "Connect to Server," and
    enter the server address in the format `smb://<IP address>`.

    This functionality is available on all iPhone models that support
    iOS 13 or newer. If you're using an older iOS version, this feature won't be accessible.

    Let me know if you'd like a step-by-step guide!

    ******* end CoPilot session *******

    An available option since roughly September 2019.

    Paul

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  • From Isaac Montara@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Apr 7 03:02:51 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 02:16:41 -0400, Paul wrote:

    On Apr 6, 2025 at 8:39:11 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-06, Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 21:14:11 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote

    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads. Connect to Server, enter the IP >>>>> address of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal
    username/password for Windows. Select the drive to connect,
    copy/paste whatever you want in both directions.

    Done.

    All using native software on both ends. Nothing to install or
    setup.

    What server do you connect to using native software on both sides?

    Windows doesn't have a native Apple Files server on it, does it?

    If Windows has a native Apple Files server, what's the path to it?

    Are you guys really so ignorant about Apple products you don't know they >>> can connect to shared volumes over standard SMB connections? ...cuz
    that's the vibe you're giving off here. 🤣

    Yes. Trolls are really this stupid. Because the trolls STILL claim "Its
    impossible to transfer files between iOS and (fill in the blank)".

    When in fact, it is just as easy to transfer files between iOS and Windows as
    it is between Windows and Windows. Share the drive on one, connect to that >> drive on the other.

    Its known as "networking". The trolls should look into that.


    I tried to verify this using Google searches, but strangely, the
    technique was not promoted in the answers.

    I used CoPilot, and ran the question there.

    ******* CoPilot session *******

    Can you transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC by using smb:// file sharing ?
    Which iPhone models or iOS revisions would be required for this feature to work ?

    Yes, you can transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC using the
    **SMB (Server Message Block)** protocol. This feature is supported through the **Files app** on iPhones running **iOS 13 or later**. It allows you to connect to SMB file servers, including shared folders on a Windows PC, over the same local network.

    To use this feature:
    1. Ensure your iPhone and Windows PC are connected to the same network.
    2. On your Windows PC, create a shared folder and enable SMB sharing.
    3. On your iPhone, open the Files app, tap "Connect to Server," and
    enter the server address in the format `smb://<IP address>`.

    This functionality is available on all iPhone models that support
    iOS 13 or newer. If you're using an older iOS version, this feature won't be accessible.

    Let me know if you'd like a step-by-step guide!

    ******* end CoPilot session *******

    An available option since roughly September 2019.

    Wrong direction.

    Jump into the water from a high bridge.
    Easy right?

    You could say that's an available option since roughly September 2019.
    Now comes the hard part.

    Jump back up to the bridge from the water.
    Not so easy, right?

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Enrico Papaloma on Mon Apr 7 03:11:14 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 4/7/2025 2:53 AM, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
    On 4/7/2025 8:16 AM, Paul wrote:
    Yes, you can transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC using the
    **SMB (Server Message Block)** protocol.

    Anyone can pull off an iPhone/iOS but the hard part is going the other way.

    Pushing the file from the PC to iOS is what this thread seems to be about based on the subject, which is to PUSH from the PC to the iPhone/iPad.

    And you have to be able to PUSH from the PC to iOS all file types & sizes.

    You'd need an SMB server on the iOS device & the SMB client on Windows.


    Or, any purpose-designed protocol. The link for which I
    posted in my first answer (in one of the OPs other threads).

    "LocalSend: Open-source, cross-platform file sharing to nearby devices"

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39662721

    The things mentioned in that thread, are all types, and not
    really narrowed down (some are local, some are definitely not local).
    Some are better than others (performance), and an individual will need to shovel
    through them and identify ones where the "pattern" of what is delivered,
    is not suspicious. For example, on a Windows, there should be
    a Metro.App a well as a win32. On a Linux, there should be
    a Snap, as well as a deb (or similar traditional packaging method).
    The solutions offered should *NOT* all be store-flavored,
    because those are not vetted carefully enough.

    Paul

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  • From Mickey D@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Apr 7 03:14:35 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 7 Apr 2025 00:42:59 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    iTunes runs fine in Windows. I've got it installed. And it works fine
    for this purpose.

    The unofficial guide to installing iTunes 10 without bloatware
    iTunes 10 might be brand new, but little has changed in Cupertino. Apple
    still gives Windows users a single installer that clutters your hard disk
    with a bunch of unnecessary components, some of which can be harmful to
    your system's security and reliability. https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-unofficial-guide-to-installing-itunes-10-without-bloatware/

    Apple iTunes, iCloud Zero-Day Exploited to Inject BitPaymer Ransomware in Windows PCs https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/pl/security/news/vulnerabilities-and-exploits/Apple-iTunes-iCloud-Zero-Day-Exploited-to-Inject-BitPaymer-Ransomware-in-Windows-PCs

    BitPaymer ransomware spotted abusing iTunes for Windows bug to bypass
    antivirus detection https://www.zdnet.com/article/ransomware-gang-uses-itunes-zero-day/

    Apple Warning: Alarming iTunes Bug Led To Attacks - Millions Told Update
    Now https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/10/10/critical-new-itunes-warningusers-urged-update-now/

    Attackers Are Exploiting an Apple iTunes Zero-Day Bug https://wccftech.com/apple-itunes-zero-day-windows-ransomware/

    Apple slams shut TEN code execution holes in QuickTime on Windows https://wccftech.com/apple-itunes-zero-day-windows-ransomware/

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  • From Enrico Papaloma@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Apr 7 09:33:12 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 4/7/2025 3:11 AM, Paul wrote:
    "LocalSend: Open-source, cross-platform file sharing to nearby devices"

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39662721

    My mistake. I didn't understand that LocalSend is both ways. Thank you.

    I had never heard of LocalSend before but it seems as good as ShareDrop is.
    But LocalSend needs an app on each device while ShareDrop (WebRTC) doesn't.

    Sending Files/Messages From iOS to Windows:
    On your iOS device's LocalSend app, you can select photos, videos, files,
    or type a text message to send. You then tap on your Windows PC from the
    list of available devices.

    Receiving Files/Messages:
    When you send something from one device, the receiving device will get a notification asking to accept the transfer. Once accepted, the files or messages are transferred directly between the devices over your local
    network. The received files are typically saved in a default downloads
    folder, which you might be able to configure in the app's settings.

    Local Network:
    LocalSend operates solely on your local Wi-Fi or Ethernet network, so no internet access is needed for transferring files between devices connected
    to the same network.

    Peer-to-Peer:
    The file transfer with LocalSend is direct between the devices, without
    relying on any central servers or cloud services.

    Cross-Platform: LocalSend is designed to work seamlessly across various operating systems, including Windows, iOS, macOS, Linux, and Android.

    Security:
    LocalSend uses HTTPS encryption to secure the data transfer between
    devices.

    Ease of Use:
    LocalSend aims for a simple and intuitive interface, making it easy for
    users to send and receive files without complex configurations.

    In essence, LocalSend provides a convenient and private way to share files
    and messages between your Windows PC and iOS devices when they are on the
    same local network, offering a cross-platform alternative to services like AirDrop and ShareDrop.

    Looking at your link and trying to make sense out of it (not your fault, my fault, I don't understand most of what it's saying), it seems to be saying
    the LocalSend application on Windows keeps the machine from sleeping and on Linux it occurs even when the LocalSend window is not visible in the foreground.

    While the issues discussed with LocalSend are detailed, what is needed is someone to test out this LocalSend application that you're suggesting.

    Looks like LocalSend works on all the platforms any of use would be using.
    And, using the method the Apple people use, it's only one step!
    1. https://localsend.org/download

    For normal people, it's a few more steps though. :->

    LocalSend facilitates direct file and message sharing between devices on
    the same local network (Wi-Fi or Ethernet) without requiring an internet connection or external servers.

    To use LocalSend between a Windows PC and an iOS device (like an iPhone or iPad), you need to have the LocalSend application installed and running on
    both devices.

    Installation:
    Download and install the LocalSend application on both your Windows
    computer and your iOS device from their respective app stores (Microsoft
    Store for Windows, App Store for iOS) or the official LocalSend
    website/GitHub.

    Network Connection:
    Ensure that both your Windows PC and your iOS device are connected to the
    same local network. This is crucial for LocalSend to discover and
    communicate between the devices.

    Device Discovery:
    When you open the LocalSend app on both devices, they will automatically discover each other on the network. Each device will be listed with a
    randomly generated name (which you can customize in the settings).

    Sending Files/Messages From Windows to iOS:
    On your Windows PC's LocalSend app, you can select files, folders, or type
    a text message to send. You then choose your iOS device from the list of discovered devices.

    We should compare the use of LocalSend with ShareDrop which seems similar. https://www.sharedrop.io/

    With ShareDrop you don't need to install a dedicated app on each device.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Apr 7 07:51:46 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 03:15:25 -0400, Paul wrote :


    You would "expect" a DCIM folder to be bidirectional, by tradition.

    You would, for all the real operating systems. But not for the toy iOS OS.

    If you connect an Android device on the Wi-Fi LAN or over USB, indeed, the
    DCIM folder is bidirectional, without you needing to install iTunes bloat.

    However...

    If you connect an iOS device on the Wi-Fi LAN or over USB, DCIM is not bidirectional. It's only one way (from the iOS device to the PC).

    What the Apple trolls are suggesting is we add hundreds of megabytes of
    Apple untested iTunes bloatware (with zero-day holes galore) to do both.

    With the fact that the toy iOS operating system is always the problem, I am going to try to test the LocalSend suggestion in this thread you provided.

    LocalSend cross platform solution for bidirectional file transfer.
    <https://localsend.org/download>
    iOS:
    <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/localsend/id1661733229>
    Since iOS is a toy operating system, you can't get the CRC.
    Android:

    <https://github.com/localsend/localsend/releases/download/v1.17.0/LocalSend-1.17.0-android-arm64v8.apk>
    Name: LocalSend-1.17.0-android-arm64v8.apk
    Size: 17491108 bytes (16 MiB)
    SHA256: 2C7F5FD4872DA25115BB8E5E62F92DE94DDA47B0F249FF387AC667B13871DC3E

    Windows:
    <https://localsend.org/download?os=windows>

    <https://github.com/localsend/localsend/releases/download/v1.17.0/LocalSend-1.17.0-windows-x86-64.zip>
    Name: LocalSend-1.17.0-windows-x86-64.zip
    Size: 18766124 bytes (17 MiB)
    SHA256: A4FFB41FCBC3BD0F2F0CBD30B62A58D9A478EAF1DA63EB410886886064ABE70C Extracts to "LocalSend-1.17.0-windows-x86-64" which contains, among others,
    Name: localsend_app.exe
    Size: 161280 bytes (157 KiB)
    SHA256: 9AA728853377643FBB13368E2A52ED816A448E0B5F28404AFB2154D2068F007A

    I'm going to test it tomorrow & report back how it works!
    Thanks for the helpful suggestion to solve the iOS problems.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Isaac Montara on Mon Apr 7 03:15:25 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 4/7/2025 3:02 AM, Isaac Montara wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 02:16:41 -0400, Paul wrote:

    On Apr 6, 2025 at 8:39:11 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-06, Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 21:14:11 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote

    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads.  Connect to Server, enter the IP >>>>>> address of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal
    username/password for Windows. Select the drive to connect,
    copy/paste whatever you want in both directions.

    Done.

    All using native software on both ends.   Nothing to install or
    setup.

    What server do you connect to using native software on both sides?

    Windows doesn't have a native Apple Files server on it, does it?

    If Windows has a native Apple Files server, what's the path to it?

    Are you guys really so ignorant about Apple products you don't know they >>>> can connect to shared volumes over standard SMB connections? ...cuz
    that's the vibe you're giving off here. ������

    Yes.  Trolls are really this stupid. Because the trolls STILL claim "Its >>> impossible to transfer files between iOS and (fill in the blank)".
    When in fact, it is just as easy to transfer files between iOS and Windows as
    it is between Windows and Windows. Share the drive on one, connect to that >>> drive on the other.
    Its known as "networking".  The trolls should look into that.


    I tried to verify this using Google searches, but strangely, the
    technique was not promoted in the answers.

    I used CoPilot, and ran the question there.

    ******* CoPilot session *******

    Can you transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC by using smb:// file sharing ?
    Which iPhone models or iOS revisions would be required for this feature to work ?

    Yes, you can transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC using the
    **SMB (Server Message Block)** protocol. This feature is supported through >> the **Files app** on iPhones running **iOS 13 or later**. It allows you to >> connect to SMB file servers, including shared folders on a Windows PC, over >> the same local network.

    To use this feature:
    1. Ensure your iPhone and Windows PC are connected to the same network.
    2. On your Windows PC, create a shared folder and enable SMB sharing.
    3. On your iPhone, open the Files app, tap "Connect to Server," and
       enter the server address in the format `smb://<IP address>`.

    This functionality is available on all iPhone models that support
    iOS 13 or newer. If you're using an older iOS version, this feature won't be accessible.

    Let me know if you'd like a step-by-step guide!

    ******* end CoPilot session *******

    An available option since roughly September 2019.

    Wrong direction.

    Jump into the water from a high bridge. Easy right?

    You could say that's an available option since roughly September 2019.
    Now comes the hard part.

    Jump back up to the bridge from the water.
    Not so easy, right?

    It's not "file sharing" if it isn't both directions,
    now is it. That's not what the words "file sharing"
    mean. Neither is smb:// on purpose, designed to be
    unidirectional.

    Bluetooth transfer on the platforms I use, is
    symmetric. There is a transmit menu item and
    a receive menu item.

    The porpose-built protocols are also intended to be
    symmetric. Unless the OS places some restriction
    on it. You would "expect" a DCIM folder to be
    bidirectional, by tradition.

    Paul

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon Apr 7 09:55:41 2025
    On 06/04/2025 23:45, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 6, 2025 at 6:39:49 PM EDT, "Larry Wolff" <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    Be aware that it's way more than a dozen steps to get what you'll need.
    Nothing using Apple products with Windows will ever be only one step.

    The Files app on iPhone/iPad works fine for this. You connect to Windows shared drives/folders/whatever. Copy and paste whatever you need.

    Am I the only person on the planet who knows this?


    Requires a Windows Microsoft account.
    Won't work with a local account with no password.


    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 7 09:24:04 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Thanks to Paul, we have found a much better way to copy a file from Windows
    to iOS (and vice versa), which also happens to work with all platforms!

    *Tutorial: How to send files between Windows & iOS over the LAN using LocalSend*
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86116&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86116>

    Bearing in mind that iOS is the only common consumer operating system with
    a crippled bidirectional file transfer capability, this is the best so far!

    Billions of people now can finally transfer any files from Windows to iOS,
    & back, without having to deal with insecure Apple bloatware abominations.

    Thanks Paul for suggesting LocalSend, which is even better, IMHO, than HFF (because it works without having to copy files) and much better than SMB
    (for a billion reasons, not the least of which being no share is needed),
    and, it goes without saying that it works better than the insecure Apple
    iTunes bloatware abomination (which nobody normal would install on a PC).
    --
    I think it's classic that the Apple trolls count punctuation, as it
    confuses them when full sentences are used, so they say it's too complex.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Marion on Mon Apr 7 09:49:10 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 07:51:46 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I'm going to test it tomorrow & report back how it works!
    Thanks for the helpful suggestion to solve the iOS problems.

    Thank you Paul for acting like a normal human being by suggesting solutions that work, instead of acting like the Apple trolls did (and always do) by counting punctuation instead, and then claiming grammatically correct
    sentences in tutorials make things too complicated for those Apple trolls.

    I was going to test LocalSend tomorrow, but the moment I installed it on Windows and iOS, it "just worked", without any problems whatsoever.

    So I decided to uninstall it and doublecheck all the steps, because I love
    to document general-purpose solutions that work for everyone.

    This tutorial should work for billions of people around the world!
    *Tutorial: How to send files between Windows & iOS over the LAN using LocalSend*
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86116&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86116>

    The beauty is LocalSend works for everyone, &, unlike SMB & HFS, it
    switches automatically between being an HTTPS server & client as needed for bidirectional transfer between not only Apple's dumb-terminal brain-dead
    toy iOS operating system, but between all common operating systems.

    LocalSend is an instant keeper!
    --
    Yes, I saw the issues about sleep.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon Apr 7 11:13:48 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 07 Apr 2025 03:43:44 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Yeah, its 2 steps. (1) Share the drive in question. (2) Connect to the drive
    in the Files app.

    Done.

    Once the Windows drive is shared, future file transfers are 1 step.

    In nospam's argument, Files is the SMB client. Windows is the SMB server.
    The main problem with SMB is that it's an old klunky kludgy protocol.

    SMB has all sorts of issues, some of which is that you have to deal with sharing and that there are insecurities involved and that you must have a password on your accounts and you have to set up the Files app as a client
    and that it has to be added to the other platforms (e.g., Samba on Linux).

    On Android, you can't even install an SMB server because, without rooting, you're not allowed to use ports below 1024, so SMB servers are impossible.

    On Linux, it's easier since Samba works nicely, but still, you have to add
    it and configure it and maintain it (not that it's hard to maintain Samba).

    I don't know if the mac still needs the idiotic Columbia Appletalk Protocol
    to work with SMB (probably not now, since the mac is now Linux based), but
    then you have to deal with the Apple data fork & resource fork craziness.

    In other words, the problem with SMB is that it's a cumbersome protocol
    when HTTPS is a much better protocol in terms of using it on all platforms.

    One advantage of HTTPS is that each device on each platform can instantly assume the role of a server when sending files & folders, and they switch instantly to assume the role of a client when receiving files & folders.

    Here's the simplified process:
    Step 1. Install LocalSend on all platforms.
    Step 2. Send files & folders bidirectionally between all platforms.

    What could be better'n that?
    *Tutorial: How to send files between any OS over the LAN using LocalSend*
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86116&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86116>
    --
    The Apple trolls live in the Platonic subterranean world discussed by
    Socrates and Glaucon where they don't know that the real world even exists.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to wasbit on Mon Apr 7 14:46:08 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    [Newsgroups restored. Don't remove newsgroups, but if you do, say so.]

    wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote:
    On 06/04/2025 23:45, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 6, 2025 at 6:39:49?PM EDT, "Larry Wolff" <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> wrote:

    Be aware that it's way more than a dozen steps to get what you'll need.
    Nothing using Apple products with Windows will ever be only one step.

    The Files app on iPhone/iPad works fine for this. You connect to Windows shared drives/folders/whatever. Copy and paste whatever you need.

    Am I the only person on the planet who knows this?

    Requires a Windows Microsoft account.
    Won't work with a local account with no password.

    As a Microsoft Account is required, I thought about suggesting
    the Windows 'Phone Link' app. But for the iPhone it apparently can not show/copy photos, which it can for an Android phone.

    'Easier to sync your PC and phone' <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices>

    N.B. Rather strange that the Android section of this page had ads for *Samsung* laptops! What happened to the Microsoft ones (Surface)?

    Question to the OP ('Marion'): Have you tried a PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) connection to the DCIM-equivalent of the iPhone? AFAIK, you
    can get photos from an iPhone that way. Unless their PTP implementation
    is 'unusual', you probably can also put photos on an iPhone that way.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 7 15:40:23 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Earlier, I wrote:
    [...]

    As a Microsoft Account is required, I thought about suggesting
    the Windows 'Phone Link' app. But for the iPhone it apparently can not show/copy photos, which it can for an Android phone.

    'Easier to sync your PC and phone' <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices>

    However, this article says that one *can* "transfer files from your PC
    to your iPhone" with the Microsoft Phone Link app:

    'Transfer Files from PC to iPhone Without iTunes' <https://www.airdroid.com/file-transfer/transfer-files-from-pc-to-iphone-without-itunes/>

    "Microsoft Phone Link
    ...
    Step 5: Now you can view the notifications and also transfer files from
    your PC to your iPhone."

    And - as I suggested in my earlier response - it also says you can use
    an USB cable "to transfer files from PC to iPhone", but the instructions
    are a bit vague/confusing.

    [...]

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  • From Alan K.@21:1/5 to Alan K. on Mon Apr 7 12:04:21 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 4/7/25 12:03 PM, Alan K. wrote:
    Not sure if there is an IOS version, or if you can access the files you need on IOS.
    IOS meaning Iphone.

    --
    Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.8, Kernel 6.8.0-57-generic
    Thunderbird 128.9.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 137.0
    Alan K.

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  • From Alan K.@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Apr 7 12:03:49 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 4/7/25 11:40 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    Earlier, I wrote:
    [...]

    As a Microsoft Account is required, I thought about suggesting
    the Windows 'Phone Link' app. But for the iPhone it apparently can not
    show/copy photos, which it can for an Android phone.

    'Easier to sync your PC and phone'
    <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/sync-across-your-devices>

    However, this article says that one *can* "transfer files from your PC
    to your iPhone" with the Microsoft Phone Link app:

    'Transfer Files from PC to iPhone Without iTunes' <https://www.airdroid.com/file-transfer/transfer-files-from-pc-to-iphone-without-itunes/>

    "Microsoft Phone Link
    ...
    Step 5: Now you can view the notifications and also transfer files from
    your PC to your iPhone."

    And - as I suggested in my earlier response - it also says you can use
    an USB cable "to transfer files from PC to iPhone", but the instructions
    are a bit vague/confusing.

    [...]
    Not sure if this has be mentioned. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alphainventor.filemanager File Manager. It has the ability to become an ftp server.
    I use it a lot to move files to my linux or windows pc.

    Not sure if there is an IOS version, or if you can access the files you need on IOS.

    --
    Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.8, Kernel 6.8.0-57-generic
    Thunderbird 128.9.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 137.0
    Alan K.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Marion on Mon Apr 7 21:50:34 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:45:33 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    Let's take the push, since we're trying to push an iOS file to the Windows
    PC using the iOS Files program using smb://<Computer Name>/<Share Name>

    The problem badgolferman is likely unaware of when he claims "it works for me", is that he very likely has a password on his user account on the PC.

    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work.

    Drat. The above first line is a misjumbled thinko, so I correct it below...

    Let's take the pull, since we're trying to pull an iOS file to the Windows
    PC using the iOS 'Files' program using smb://<Computer Name>/<Share Name>

    The problem badgolferman is likely unaware of when he claims "it works for
    me", is that he very likely has a password on his user account on the PC.

    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to the PC).

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Apr 7 21:45:33 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 18:41:05 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    "Microsoft Phone Link
    ...
    Step 5: Now you can view the notifications and also transfer files
    from your PC to your iPhone."

    So I gave this a try by setting up the app on my phone and connecting
    it by Bluetooth to the laptop. I've got all the permissions set up but
    it's not working for me. It also has a convoluted way of working
    through the actions to share the files.

    In this case I must agree with Jolly Roger, Tyrone and whoever else
    advocates that the Files app works better. All I had to do was enter
    the IP address for the laptop in the server section, use my Microsoft
    account to login from the iPhone to the laptop, and Share a folder on
    my laptop. I can easily move files between both devices.

    Considering the iOS method works and it's native to the phone, I will
    stick with that.

    We're all working together (except for the Apple trolls) for the benefit of
    all of us, as it behooves us to be able to seamlessly transfer files
    between all the platforms (where Eli the Bearded had an interesting
    LocalSend use model between Androids, without the PC being involved).

    In that purposefully-helpful light, I know badgolferman to be a normal
    helpful person, well educated, sensible and rational (unlike the Apple
    trolls), so what badgolferman says he did between his iPhone and his PC, I believe it happened as he said it did. Files "can" send files to the PC.

    However, I need to make the extremely crucial point that you can jump off
    of a moving horse relatively easily but it's much harder to get back on.

    Sure, you can jump back on (and just as surely, people do it), but you have
    to have everything aligned to jump back onto that moving horse, right?

    The point being the problem was never how to get files from the iOS device
    to the PC, but to push the files from the PC onto the iOS device.

    In the case of Paul's excellent suggestion of LocalSend, the push and pull
    work seamlessly together, such that the flow is bidirectionally easy.

    A push is no different than a pull with LocalSend; but with the Files
    command, a push and a pull are completely different tasks.

    Let's take the push, since we're trying to push an iOS file to the Windows
    PC using the iOS Files program using smb://<Computer Name>/<Share Name>

    The problem badgolferman is likely unaware of when he claims "it works for
    me", is that he very likely has a password on his user account on the PC.

    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work.

    That is, to use "smb://192.168.1.100/SharedDocs", SMB requires you to
    create an account on the PC which has a username & a password.

    The difference with LocalSend is that it does NOT need that username & password, which, I think, may be what wasbit might have been alluding to.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Alan K. on Mon Apr 7 22:15:24 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 12:03:49 -0400, Alan K. wrote :


    Not sure if this has be mentioned. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alphainventor.filemanager File Manager. It has the ability to become an ftp server.
    I use it a lot to move files to my linux or windows pc.

    Not sure if there is an IOS version, or if you can access the files you need on IOS.

    Alan K is correct that there are "servers" you can install on the iOS
    device which can "push" files to the Windows PC, one of which is an FTP
    server, although truth be told, WebDav probably works better nowadays.

    Once you install a server on the mobile device, everything changes.
    For example, suddenly you can use the Wi-Fi network instead of USB cables.

    Each server implementation, e.g., HTTPS, WebDAV, FTP, SMB, ADB, etc., has different requirements, as do the peer-to-peer solutions we explored.
    a. fsquirt bluetooth
    <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/windows-commands1  

    b. SHAREit <https://www.ushareit.com/product/shareit/>
    c. Xender <https://www.xender.com/>
    d. Feem <https://feem.io/>
    etc.

    Each server:client protocol allows *different* neat features.

    For example, the WebDav servers on Android allow me to mount my entire
    Android phone as a drive letter (one for each partition) on Windows.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/BQyRxCN9/webdav11.jpg> Mount sdcards read & write
    <https://i.postimg.cc/yYWwgGmy/webdav12.jpg> As Windows drive letters
    <https://i.postimg.cc/QtbR1GY0/webdav13.jpg> Over Wi-Fi on your home LAN
    <https://i.postimg.cc/gcKXV6F7/webdav16.jpg> A third free WebDAV server

    But each server:client protocol also enforce different requirements.

    The problem with the Apple trolls only thinking about the SMB client
    protocol that their iOS "Files" app uses, is it won't work w/o a passwd.

    If you have a password on your local account on your Windows PC, then the
    SMB protocol that the Apple trolls keep suggesting, will work just fine to
    push a file from the iOS "Files" SMB client to the Windows SMB server.

    But even then, the limitations are you have to copy things to the share.

    With Paul's suggestion of LocalSend (which uses the HTTPS protocol), you
    can push to Windows without those restrictions that SMB enforces.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Mon Apr 7 22:15:25 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 7 Apr 2025 14:46:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :


    Question to the OP ('Marion'): Have you tried a PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) connection to the DCIM-equivalent of the iPhone? AFAIK, you
    can get photos from an iPhone that way. Unless their PTP implementation
    is 'unusual', you probably can also put photos on an iPhone that way.

    We've had the "phone link" discussion in the past, where my issue with it
    (as I recall) is I do not have a Microsoft Account (nor a Google Account,
    nor even a Samsung account - given phone link came from Samsung and so it's
    on my Galaxy as it is likely on Frank's Galaxy native also); so any app
    which requires an account, won't work for me (and I'm fine with that).

    As for iOS, the problem is simply that Apple makes it very easy to get
    files off the iPad onto the PC, but it's hard to put files onto the iPad.

    Specifically, if you connect the iOS device to the Windows 10 PC via USB &
    if the necessary obligatory Apple drivers are already installed on the PC,
    then the PC has no problem recognizing the iPad just as it sees an Android.

    The *difference* though is that with Android USB, you can read & write to
    the DCIM directory in most situations (excluding misconfigured Androids).

    However, iOS doesn't work that way with USB file transfers. It's different. With iOS, you can't *write* to the DCIM directory over a USB connection.

    So the problem *always* was getting the file from the Windows PC, to iOS.
    See sig for the solution that I used to use to write to the iOS filesystem.
    --
    If you dual boot the PC to Ubuntu, you actually have r/w access to all 3
    file systems simultaneously, WIndows, Linux & iOS, via the iFuse mechanism.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Apr 7 22:36:42 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:53:21 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    It is true that I have a Microsoft account on my PC and indeed had to enter that during setup of the handshaking process. I can also push/pull in
    either direction. Other than you though, I do not know anyone else who doesn't have a Microsoft account so the Files method should work for them.
    At least now we have several methods of accomplishing the same task and people have a choice.

    Hi badgolferman,

    We've known each other for decades over the Usenet, so I believe, prima
    facie, every word you say as you have never steered me wrong(ly) and you
    know that I do make mistakes, but when I find out about them, I apologize & correct them pronto.

    I made a grievous mistake in the missive you're responding to, where it was
    a thinko, so I need to point out that the fundamental problem is getting a
    file from Windows into the iOS filesystem (not the other way around).

    Having said that, I'm absolutely positive you pushed and pulled to and from
    the iPhone native "Files" app using a SMB://192.168.1.2/SharedDocs address.

    I also accept, a priori, your claim that most people will have an account
    on the Windows PC that happens to have a password set for that account.

    A posteriori I wouldn't call it a "Microsoft Account" though, as that means different things to different people, e.g., you can have a "Local Account" which is not a "Microsoft Account" or you can have a "Local Account" which happens to also be a "Microsoft Account", so in my experience, it's useful
    to distinguish between what you mean since it can be done either way.

    Even so, I strive to always be logically reasonable, so I agree with you
    that most people have a password associated with their account on Windows.

    For most people then, the iOS "Files" SMB://192.168.1.2/SharedDocs address
    will work fine. Even for me, with great effort akin to Paul's maintenance
    of his email server and all the credentials complications, even I could set
    up SMB to work between iOS and Windows but, in a word, it's a bitch.

    It may be important to note that the iOS Files app generally supports SMBv2
    and SMBv3 so the hoops I have to jump through is I have to drop the Windows
    10 PC to SMBv1 (which is highly insecure and often disabled by default) if
    I wanted to use the iOS native Files SMB client.

    Given that's only me, one might then say "well, OK then, but SMB works for everyone else, right" and the answer is no. Not for unrooted Android users.

    For unrooted Android users, Frank Slootweg taught me long ago that you
    can't use an Android SMB server because unrooted Android can't bind to
    ports below 1024 (ports 139 and 445) and Windows doesn't use any other
    port. Like Paul tried with his email server, I went through a lot of machinations trying to reroute to non-standard ports, but it's too much
    work just to copy a file over the SMB shares on a Windows PC.

    In essence, due to my empirical experience with SMB between mobile devices
    and Windows, I gave up on it which is why I don't use the Files SMB method.

    In summary, if you have a password on your "local account" on the Windows
    PC, then I agree with you that iOS' Files SMB implementation should work.

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  • From Char Jackson@21:1/5 to REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com on Mon Apr 7 20:21:01 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:53:21 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is true that I have a Microsoft account on my PC and indeed had to enter >that during setup of the handshaking process. I can also push/pull in
    either direction. Other than you though, I do not know anyone else who >doesn’t have a Microsoft account so the Files method should work for them.
    At least now we have several methods of accomplishing the same task and >people have a choice.

    My assumption is that you simply needed to use an account that has a
    password associated with it, and not necessarily a Microsoft account,
    which would be good because a lot of people don't have a Microsoft
    account configured on their PC.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 8 07:43:12 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    In fact, without an account involved, it's damn near impossible to get
    files from the PC to iOS (which is what started this quest after all).

    And it's far 'more impossible' to go from Android to iOS.
    Interestingly, it's just as impossible to go from one iOS to another iOS.

    But with Paul's suggestion of using LocalSend on all devices, what
    previously was 'damn near impossible'... is ... suddenly... trivial.

    Woo hoo!

    Thanks Paul for suggesting LocalSend.
    Thanks wasbit for pointing out the SMB login requirements.
    Thanks Elijah for providing a device-to-device LocalSend use model.
    Thanks badgolferman for testing out the iOS Files SMB:// mechanism.
    Thanks Frank for testing the Microsoft Phone Link method.
    Thanks Char Jackson for explaining the SMB local account requirement.
    et al.

    We're all working together to make cross platform copying trivial.

    Since every thread should make it easier for everyone else, links are below: Android:
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.localsend.localsend_app>
    <https://f-droid.org/de/packages/org.localsend.localsend_app/>
    <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BW6MP732>
    <https://github.com/localsend/localsend/releases/download/v1.17.0/LocalSend-1.17.0-android-arm64v8.apk>
    <https://localsend.org/download?os=android>
    iOS:
    <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/localsend/id1661733229>
    Windows:
    <https://localsend.org/download?os=windows>
    Linux:
    <https://localsend.org/download?os=linux>
    macOS:
    <https://localsend.org/download?os=macos>

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 8 15:38:34 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On 7 Apr 2025 14:46:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote :


    Question to the OP ('Marion'): Have you tried a PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) connection to the DCIM-equivalent of the iPhone? AFAIK, you
    can get photos from an iPhone that way. Unless their PTP implementation
    is 'unusual', you probably can also put photos on an iPhone that way.
    [...]
    As for iOS, the problem is simply that Apple makes it very easy to get
    files off the iPad onto the PC, but it's hard to put files onto the iPad.

    Specifically, if you connect the iOS device to the Windows 10 PC via USB &
    if the necessary obligatory Apple drivers are already installed on the PC, then the PC has no problem recognizing the iPad just as it sees an Android.

    The *difference* though is that with Android USB, you can read & write to
    the DCIM directory in most situations (excluding misconfigured Androids).

    However, iOS doesn't work that way with USB file transfers. It's different. With iOS, you can't *write* to the DCIM directory over a USB connection.

    This webpage says/implies that you *can* write to the/a DCIM
    *sub*folder, so if you only tried to write to the DCIM folder itself,
    you might want to re-try if you can write to its subfolder.

    <https://mobi.easeus.com/iphone-data-transfer/transfer-photos-to-iphone-without-itunes-syncing.html#using_file_explorer>

    Anyway, my main reason for responding is that I happened [1] to
    stumble on the (Apple) 'Apple Devices' Windows app. This app seems to be
    able to do what you want - copy from Windows to iPhone (etc.) - and can
    use an USB cable or a Wi-Fi connection.

    "Apple Devices User Guide

    Apple Devices Windows

    Transfer files between your Windows device and iPhone, iPad, or iPod
    touch" <https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/transfer-files-between-your-devices-mchl4bd77d3a/windows>

    I didn't see a link to the app, but it can be easily found in the
    Microsoft Store by searching on 'Apple Devices'. (And no, you don't need
    a Microsoft Account to 'Get' the app. Don't know about *using* the app.)

    Hope this helps.

    [1] I was searching if one could use the Google/Samsung 'Quick Share'
    program to share from Windows to iPhone, but I don't think it can. I
    only saw a short confusing video showing using QuickShare to share from
    an Android smartphone to an iPhone.

    So the problem *always* was getting the file from the Windows PC, to iOS.
    See sig for the solution that I used to use to write to the iOS filesystem. --
    If you dual boot the PC to Ubuntu, you actually have r/w access to all 3
    file systems simultaneously, WIndows, Linux & iOS, via the iFuse mechanism.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Apr 8 21:45:53 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 01:31:17 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    That's probably true. But I set up my laptop with a Microsoft account so that's what I had to use.

    Whoever wants to try it don't forget to Share the folder on the PC and add the user with full rights to the folder.

    Both of the statements above are completely correct in that SMB works great except when it doesn't - but it works great when 2 things are already done.

    1. You (effectively) must have an account on the PC with a password set
    2. You must have sharing on the PC done correctly

    When that is possible, then the SMB client in the iOS Files app works well. However...

    In my situation, without a password set on the Windows user account, it
    fails, and in another thread wasbit mentioned where SMB fails for him too
    (but his reason is he's using an older Windows version 8, I think).
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86190&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86190>

    In Elijah's case (aka Eli the Bearded), he's been using LocalSend for a
    while to transfer from device to device without the PC being involved.
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86135&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86135>

    While Elijah was on Android, the device-to-device folder bidirectional
    transfer is even more critical on iOS since you can't easily move anything between iOS devices (for a couple of reasons specific to Apple).

    The main reason is that Apple is great with device-to-device transfer but
    only if the same AppleID is on both devices.

    Also, Apple is great with device-to-device transfer if you don't mind
    putting everything on the cloud just to get it from one device to another.

    But what if you want to transfer files and folders between iOS devices
    which are NOT logged into the same Apple ID (& you want to stay local)?

    That's where Paul's suggestion of using LocalSend is fantastic!
    Kudos to Paul for looking up this tool and for letting us know about it!

    Billions of iOS owners *need* this solution, but don't know about it. Sigh.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Tue Apr 8 22:00:40 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 18:32:37 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    Well, it looks like I owe everyone an apology. It seems I can only
    push/pull from the iPhone side and not from the PC side. I thought I
    had done it from the PC side but it must have been when I was using the
    Phone Link app. There doesn't seem to be a mechanism showing me the
    phone which I can move the files to in File Explorer. If someone else
    knows of one please inform me.

    So it seems the iOS method is somewhat limited and the other methods discussed are more capable. Despite that I think if I ever do need to
    move files it will still be with the iOS Files app rather than
    installing a "server" on my phone.

    I was also wrong to agree with Jolly Roger and should have known
    better...

    Thanks for running the bidirectional test. I couldn't even run it (because
    SMB effectively requires an account on the PC with a password set on it).

    So you and wasbit were the ones to test it for the team on iOS, and both of
    you said, effectively, the same thing, which is that SMB doesn't work well.

    As for trusting what the Apple trolls claim... we've been through this for decades, where they'll say anything to defend Apple's honor to the death.

    What I find despicable about the Apple trolls is not only that they don't
    have a single purposefully helpful bone in their bodies, but that they find glee in sending everyone on wild-goose chases that have no hope of working.

    *Why do Apple trolls sadistically send innocent users on wild-goose chases?*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/ynh0PE9lK_I/>

    All the Apple trolls (including Alan Baker) are unprepossessing inhuman animals, in my humble opinion - since they're devoid of any common decency.

    They're no better than the religious zealots who murder people who don't
    drink the Jim Jones' punch and wait outside Apple stores to ditch the
    iPhone for the next model and who congratulate all the other herd animals.

    But enough about believing a single word that the Apple trolls spew, as the only place Apple trolls can thrive is only on the child-like Apple ngs.

    The good news is that LocalSend works, so far by all accounts (although
    Elijah says there are issues sometimes, depending on network complexity).

    Paul also found out issues depending on hardware setup on the Windows PC.
    But in my tests (admittedly brief) LocalSend worked perfectly.

    The beauty of LocalSend, mainly, for non-Apple devices is simply that it
    allows transfer between devices (e.g., Android & Android or Android & PC).

    But for iOS, LocalSend should be called "GodSend" in terms of how well it tunnels out of the subterranean caverns called the Apple Ecosystem back
    into the real world where people just want access to their own data again.

    Thank all those like Paul & wasbit & Elijah on the adult operating system newsgroups for helping out - where BILLIONS of iOS users can benefit now!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Wed Apr 9 09:15:07 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-06 13:30, Marion wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Apr 2025 15:09:26 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote :


    Such a trip around the houses, and then 12 steps.

    Red herring. Well-known Apple trolls like Ed Cryer are so desperate to
    defend Apple's clusterfuck solutions that they claim *this* is 12 steps!

    1. *Use HFS.*

    Why not this?

    I wonder if you realize that Apple has never tested iTunes which is why
    there are more zero-day holes in iTunes than almost any other software.
    1. This is a lie. You know that Apple tests its software.

    2. Who has tested your solution? It was last updated nearly 4 years ago.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Oliver on Wed Apr 9 09:46:04 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-06 15:14, Oliver wrote:
    On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 21:14:11 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote
    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads.  Connect to Server, enter the IP
    address
    of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal username/
    password for
    Windows. Select the drive to connect, copy/paste whatever you want in
    both
    directions.
    Done.

    All using native software on both ends.   Nothing to install or setup.

    What server do you connect to using native software on both sides?

    Windows doesn't have a native Apple Files server on it, does it?

    Apple has had SMB working on Macs and iOS devices for years.

    In fact, they stopped using AFP quite some time ago.


    If Windows has a native Apple Files server, what's the path to it?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank on Wed Apr 9 09:48:48 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-06 23:59, Hank wrote:
    Tyrone wrote to us on Mon, 07 Apr 2025 03:43:21 +0000:

    And it's a lot more than just one step.

    Yeah, its 2 steps.  (1) Share the drive in question.  (2) Connect to
    the drive
    in the Files app.
    Done.

    Once the Windows drive is shared, future file transfers are 1 step.

    It's obvious to everyone that you've never done what you claim above.

    Ignoring your suggested absurdity of sharing an entire drive for all to
    see, even iTunes is one step when you gloss over the other fifty steps.
    1. Use iTunes

    So is the suggested solution of one step, if you gloss over everything.
    1. Use HFS

    So is your suggested solution, if you gloss arcane SMB sharing setup.
    1. Use SMB

    That you can't do it is obvious by the fact you can't show screenshots.
    Show everyone, with screenshots, that you can push PC files to iOS.

    In two steps.
    We'll wait for you to prove, with screenshots, that you have done it.

    Because nobody else has.

    I just tried it and it works precisely as stated.

    I entered the IP address of my Windows machine; gave it my (local)
    Windows account and password and was instantly connected to the shared
    folders on the Windows box.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Enrico Papaloma on Wed Apr 9 09:51:36 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-06 23:53, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
    On 4/7/2025 8:16 AM, Paul wrote:
    Yes, you can transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC using the
    **SMB (Server Message Block)** protocol.

    Anyone can pull off an iPhone/iOS but the hard part is going the other way.

    Pushing the file from the PC to iOS is what this thread seems to be about based on the subject, which is to PUSH from the PC to the iPhone/iPad.

    And you have to be able to PUSH from the PC to iOS all file types & sizes.

    You'd need an SMB server on the iOS device & the SMB client on Windows.

    Nope.

    Because with a file server and client "push" and "pull" become
    irrelevant if you have control over both.

    Sure: there is no SMB server implementation for iOS, so to transfer
    files from a PC to an iOS device, you PULL them.

    i.e. Connect to the SMB service set up on the Windows device and then do
    the transfer FROM the Files app on the iOS device.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Isaac Montara on Wed Apr 9 09:52:13 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-07 00:02, Isaac Montara wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 02:16:41 -0400, Paul wrote:

    On Apr 6, 2025 at 8:39:11 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger"
    <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-06, Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> wrote:
    On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 21:14:11 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote

    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads.  Connect to Server, enter the IP >>>>>> address of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal
    username/password for Windows. Select the drive to connect,
    copy/paste whatever you want in both directions.

    Done.

    All using native software on both ends.   Nothing to install or
    setup.

    What server do you connect to using native software on both sides?

    Windows doesn't have a native Apple Files server on it, does it?

    If Windows has a native Apple Files server, what's the path to it?

    Are you guys really so ignorant about Apple products you don't know
    they
    can connect to shared volumes over standard SMB connections? ...cuz
    that's the vibe you're giving off here. ������

    Yes.  Trolls are really this stupid. Because the trolls STILL claim "Its >>> impossible to transfer files between iOS and (fill in the blank)".
    When in fact, it is just as easy to transfer files between iOS and
    Windows as
    it is between Windows and Windows. Share the drive on one, connect to
    that
    drive on the other.
    Its known as "networking".  The trolls should look into that.


    I tried to verify this using Google searches, but strangely, the
    technique was not promoted in the answers.

    I used CoPilot, and ran the question there.

    ******* CoPilot session *******

    Can you transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC by using smb://
    file sharing ?
    Which iPhone models or iOS revisions would be required for this
    feature to work ?

    Yes, you can transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC using the
    **SMB (Server Message Block)** protocol. This feature is supported
    through
    the **Files app** on iPhones running **iOS 13 or later**. It allows
    you to
    connect to SMB file servers, including shared folders on a Windows PC,
    over
    the same local network.

    To use this feature:
    1. Ensure your iPhone and Windows PC are connected to the same network.
    2. On your Windows PC, create a shared folder and enable SMB sharing.
    3. On your iPhone, open the Files app, tap "Connect to Server," and
       enter the server address in the format `smb://<IP address>`.

    This functionality is available on all iPhone models that support
    iOS 13 or newer. If you're using an older iOS version, this feature
    won't be accessible.

    Let me know if you'd like a step-by-step guide!

    ******* end CoPilot session *******

    An available option since roughly September 2019.

    Wrong direction.

    Jump into the water from a high bridge. Easy right?

    You could say that's an available option since roughly September 2019.
    Now comes the hard part.

    Jump back up to the bridge from the water.
    Not so easy, right?

    You should stop typing before you make yourself look MORE ignorant.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Wed Apr 9 09:54:36 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-07 04:13, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 07 Apr 2025 03:43:44 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Yeah, its 2 steps. (1) Share the drive in question. (2) Connect to the drive
    in the Files app.

    Done.

    Once the Windows drive is shared, future file transfers are 1 step.

    In nospam's argument, Files is the SMB client. Windows is the SMB server.
    The main problem with SMB is that it's an old klunky kludgy protocol.

    SMB has all sorts of issues, some of which is that you have to deal with sharing and that there are insecurities involved and that you must have a password on your accounts and you have to set up the Files app as a client and that it has to be added to the other platforms (e.g., Samba on Linux).

    On Android, you can't even install an SMB server because, without rooting, you're not allowed to use ports below 1024, so SMB servers are impossible.

    On Linux, it's easier since Samba works nicely, but still, you have to add
    it and configure it and maintain it (not that it's hard to maintain Samba).

    I don't know if the mac still needs the idiotic Columbia Appletalk Protocol to work with SMB (probably not now, since the mac is now Linux based), but then you have to deal with the Apple data fork & resource fork craziness.

    In other words, the problem with SMB is that it's a cumbersome protocol
    when HTTPS is a much better protocol in terms of using it on all platforms.

    One advantage of HTTPS is that each device on each platform can instantly assume the role of a server when sending files & folders, and they switch instantly to assume the role of a client when receiving files & folders.

    Here's the simplified process:
    Step 1. Install LocalSend on all platforms.
    Step 2. Send files & folders bidirectionally between all platforms.

    What could be better'n that?
    *Tutorial: How to send files between any OS over the LAN using LocalSend*
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86116&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86116>

    Translation:

    "I need to make this easy and obvious solution that requires no
    installation of any additional software on iOS or Windows sound ominous".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Wed Apr 9 09:54:59 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-07 07:46, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    [Newsgroups restored. Don't remove newsgroups, but if you do, say so.]

    wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote:
    On 06/04/2025 23:45, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 6, 2025 at 6:39:49?PM EDT, "Larry Wolff" <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> >>> wrote:

    Be aware that it's way more than a dozen steps to get what you'll need. >>>> Nothing using Apple products with Windows will ever be only one step.

    The Files app on iPhone/iPad works fine for this. You connect to Windows >>> shared drives/folders/whatever. Copy and paste whatever you need.

    Am I the only person on the planet who knows this?

    Requires a Windows Microsoft account.
    Won't work with a local account with no password.

    As a Microsoft Account is required, I thought about suggesting
    the Windows 'Phone Link' app. But for the iPhone it apparently can not show/copy photos, which it can for an Android phone.

    A Microsoft Account isn't required.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Wed Apr 9 10:04:14 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-07 07:46, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    [Newsgroups restored. Don't remove newsgroups, but if you do, say so.]

    wasbit <wasbit@removehotmail.com> wrote:
    On 06/04/2025 23:45, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 6, 2025 at 6:39:49?PM EDT, "Larry Wolff" <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> >>> wrote:

    Be aware that it's way more than a dozen steps to get what you'll need. >>>> Nothing using Apple products with Windows will ever be only one step.

    The Files app on iPhone/iPad works fine for this. You connect to Windows >>> shared drives/folders/whatever. Copy and paste whatever you need.

    Am I the only person on the planet who knows this?

    Requires a Windows Microsoft account.
    Won't work with a local account with no password.

    As a Microsoft Account is required, I thought about suggesting
    the Windows 'Phone Link' app. But for the iPhone it apparently can not show/copy photos, which it can for an Android phone.
    A Microsoft Account is not required.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to wasbit on Wed Apr 9 10:03:32 2025
    On 2025-04-07 01:55, wasbit wrote:
    On 06/04/2025 23:45, Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 6, 2025 at 6:39:49 PM EDT, "Larry Wolff"
    <larrywolff@larrywolff.net>
    wrote:

    Be aware that it's way more than a dozen steps to get what you'll need.
    Nothing using Apple products with Windows will ever be only one step.

    The Files app on iPhone/iPad works fine for this. You connect to Windows
    shared drives/folders/whatever.  Copy and paste whatever you need.

    Am I the only person on the planet who knows this?


    Requires a Windows Microsoft account.
    Won't work with a local account with no password.



    I'm sorry, but you're quite wrong about that.

    It will work with a local account.

    I don't know if it will work with a local account with no password...

    ...because I would never have a local account on any computer I control
    that doesn't have a password.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Apr 9 10:05:40 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-07 14:53, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 18:41:05 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    "Microsoft Phone Link
    ...
    Step 5: Now you can view the notifications and also transfer files
    from your PC to your iPhone."

    So I gave this a try by setting up the app on my phone and connecting
    it by Bluetooth to the laptop. I've got all the permissions set up but
    it's not working for me. It also has a convoluted way of working
    through the actions to share the files.

    In this case I must agree with Jolly Roger, Tyrone and whoever else
    advocates that the Files app works better. All I had to do was enter
    the IP address for the laptop in the server section, use my Microsoft
    account to login from the iPhone to the laptop, and Share a folder on
    my laptop. I can easily move files between both devices.

    Considering the iOS method works and it's native to the phone, I will
    stick with that.

    We're all working together (except for the Apple trolls) for the benefit of >> all of us, as it behooves us to be able to seamlessly transfer files
    between all the platforms (where Eli the Bearded had an interesting
    LocalSend use model between Androids, without the PC being involved).

    In that purposefully-helpful light, I know badgolferman to be a normal
    helpful person, well educated, sensible and rational (unlike the Apple
    trolls), so what badgolferman says he did between his iPhone and his PC, I >> believe it happened as he said it did. Files "can" send files to the PC.

    However, I need to make the extremely crucial point that you can jump off
    of a moving horse relatively easily but it's much harder to get back on.

    Sure, you can jump back on (and just as surely, people do it), but you have >> to have everything aligned to jump back onto that moving horse, right?

    The point being the problem was never how to get files from the iOS device >> to the PC, but to push the files from the PC onto the iOS device.

    In the case of Paul's excellent suggestion of LocalSend, the push and pull >> work seamlessly together, such that the flow is bidirectionally easy.

    A push is no different than a pull with LocalSend; but with the Files
    command, a push and a pull are completely different tasks.

    Let's take the push, since we're trying to push an iOS file to the Windows >> PC using the iOS Files program using smb://<Computer Name>/<Share Name>

    The problem badgolferman is likely unaware of when he claims "it works for >> me", is that he very likely has a password on his user account on the PC.

    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work.

    That is, to use "smb://192.168.1.100/SharedDocs", SMB requires you to
    create an account on the PC which has a username & a password.

    The difference with LocalSend is that it does NOT need that username &
    password, which, I think, may be what wasbit might have been alluding to.


    It is true that I have a Microsoft account on my PC and indeed had to enter that during setup of the handshaking process. I can also push/pull in
    either direction. Other than you though, I do not know anyone else who doesn’t have a Microsoft account so the Files method should work for them. At least now we have several methods of accomplishing the same task and people have a choice.


    You don't need a Microsoft Account to use iOS Files with a Windows share.

    I've just tested it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Oliver on Wed Apr 9 10:09:09 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-06 15:14, Oliver wrote:
    On Sun, 06 Apr 2025 21:14:11 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote
    Use the Files app on iPhones/iPads.  Connect to Server, enter the IP
    address
    of the Windows box, login as Guest or enter your normal username/
    password for
    Windows. Select the drive to connect, copy/paste whatever you want in
    both
    directions.
    Done.

    All using native software on both ends.   Nothing to install or setup.

    What server do you connect to using native software on both sides?

    The SMB server that is a part of every Windows OS going back decades.


    Windows doesn't have a native Apple Files server on it, does it?
    If Windows has a native Apple Files server, what's the path to it?

    It doesn't need one as both iOS and macOS have been able to access SMB services; for decades in the case of macOS,

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Wed Apr 9 10:17:43 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-08 15:00, Marion wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 18:32:37 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    Well, it looks like I owe everyone an apology. It seems I can only
    push/pull from the iPhone side and not from the PC side. I thought I
    had done it from the PC side but it must have been when I was using the
    Phone Link app. There doesn't seem to be a mechanism showing me the
    phone which I can move the files to in File Explorer. If someone else
    knows of one please inform me.

    So it seems the iOS method is somewhat limited and the other methods
    discussed are more capable. Despite that I think if I ever do need to
    move files it will still be with the iOS Files app rather than
    installing a "server" on my phone.

    I was also wrong to agree with Jolly Roger and should have known
    better...

    Thanks for running the bidirectional test. I couldn't even run it (because SMB effectively requires an account on the PC with a password set on it).

    And you lack the technical competence to set up a password on an account
    on a Windows PC.

    Figures.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Wed Apr 9 10:16:34 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-08 11:32, badgolferman wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:

    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    However, this article says that one can "transfer files from your
    PC to your iPhone" with the Microsoft Phone Link app:

    'Transfer Files from PC to iPhone Without iTunes'
    <https://www.airdroid.com/file-transfer/transfer-files-from-pc-to-iphone-without-itunes/>

    "Microsoft Phone Link
    ...
    Step 5: Now you can view the notifications and also transfer files
    from your PC to your iPhone."


    So I gave this a try by setting up the app on my phone and connecting
    it by Bluetooth to the laptop. I've got all the permissions set up
    but it's not working for me. It also has a convoluted way of working
    through the actions to share the files.

    In this case I must agree with Jolly Roger, Tyrone and whoever else
    advocates that the Files app works better. All I had to do was enter
    the IP address for the laptop in the server section, use my Microsoft
    account to login from the iPhone to the laptop, and Share a folder on
    my laptop. I can easily move files between both devices.

    Considering the iOS method works and it's native to the phone, I will
    stick with that.


    Well, it looks like I owe everyone an apology. It seems I can only
    push/pull from the iPhone side and not from the PC side. I thought I
    had done it from the PC side but it must have been when I was using the
    Phone Link app. There doesn't seem to be a mechanism showing me the
    phone which I can move the files to in File Explorer. If someone else
    knows of one please inform me.

    Why would you care?

    If you are talking about moving files from a PC you control to an iPhone
    you control, what does it matter from which device you initiate the
    transfer?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Wed Apr 9 13:36:28 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 9 22:11:01 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 9, 2025 at 4:36:28 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to the PC). >>
    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    Of course. I don't know why some people won't accept this fact.

    SMB is THE standard for networking. Its how Windows networks with Windows, Linux and Unix. iOS - being Unix - does this just fine. Move ANY files you want, back and forth. Simple, easy and fast.

    And you don't have to share an entire drive on Windows. You can share a single folder which has the file(s) in question. I just share the whole drive
    because its easier that way. Then - on the iPhone/iPad - you drill down to where the file(s) you want are located. Just like you do in Windows or Linux or Unix.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 9 17:22:22 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


      I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

       The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
       *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me. I can use two ways to penetrate the
    walled garden ( Either from PC to iphone, or iphone to PC ):

    1) Send the file as an attachment in an email. I haven't used this for
    a while, so apple may have plugged that garden wall leak by now.

    2) Put the file on a network drive. "files app" won't function, but
    there are other apps that do actually work with network drives, (read
    and write); for example owl-files (even the free version).

    At least as of today. I hope my post doesn't get apple scrambling to
    plug that garden leak!

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed Apr 9 18:48:56 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 4:36:28 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    Of course. I don't know why some people won't accept this fact.

    SMB is THE standard for networking. Its how Windows networks with Windows, Linux and Unix. iOS - being Unix - does this just fine. Move ANY files you want, back and forth. Simple, easy and fast.

    And you don't have to share an entire drive on Windows. You can share a single
    folder which has the file(s) in question. I just share the whole drive because its easier that way. Then - on the iPhone/iPad - you drill down to where the file(s) you want are located. Just like you do in Windows or Linux or Unix.



    Yes, but the apple "Files" app will consider everything read only.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed Apr 9 19:47:26 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong. It is designed to do this.

    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can
    see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which
    sees it as read only. I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the
    apple "files" app. Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for
    a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn
    sure try it.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 01:14:37 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 9, 2025 at 8:47:26 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to >>>>>> the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong. It is designed to do this.

    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can
    see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which
    sees it as read only. I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the
    apple "files" app. Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for
    a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn
    sure try it.

    The whole point of the Files app is to see/copy files. Copy the file to your iPad. You can then edit it/do whatever you want with it. The Files app is not a text editor.

    I just copied a .txt file from a Windows 10 pc drive to an iPad. I then
    started up Pages. I can edit/save the file there. I can then copy it back to the Windows 10 PC using Files. I can also now remotely edit the file in Pages using the file that exists on the Windows 10 PC, by tapping the file in Files.
    The Pages app loads the file.

    Of course, once edited/saved it is no longer a .txt file. It is now a .pages file on the PC. That's why Pages loads it up for me on the iPad. So I can edit/save iPad Pages files on a Windows PC network drive. Simple with SMB networking.

    This is all basic networking stuff. This is how it is supposed to work. WTH are you doing wrong?

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 00:35:03 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong. It is designed to do this.

    What issues/errors are you getting? Both the PC and the iPhone/iPad need to be on the same network. Your home wifi for example. The PC HAS to have an
    account with a password. That is a Windows requirement for networking.
    Nothing to do with the Files app. If you were connecting 2 Windows PCs, the same issue would exist.

    It does not have to be a Microsoft account. Local account is fine.

    "Walled Garden" drivel ingnored.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 00:27:49 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 9, 2025 at 7:48:56 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 4:36:28 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    Of course. I don't know why some people won't accept this fact.

    SMB is THE standard for networking. Its how Windows networks with Windows, >> Linux and Unix. iOS - being Unix - does this just fine. Move ANY files you >> want, back and forth. Simple, easy and fast.

    And you don't have to share an entire drive on Windows. You can share a single
    folder which has the file(s) in question. I just share the whole drive
    because its easier that way. Then - on the iPhone/iPad - you drill down to >> where the file(s) you want are located. Just like you do in Windows or Linux
    or Unix.



    Yes, but the apple "Files" app will consider everything read only.

    So? The discussion here is about COPYING files from Windows to iOS. The Files app does that just fine. Any file, both directions.

    There are other ways to remotely edit files on a network drive, but that is
    not really a good idea anyways. All kinds of multi-user issues come up,
    unless your editor (whatever) can lock the file as read only, so others can't change it while you have it open. Much better to copy the file to your local device, edit the local file then copy that file back to the server.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed Apr 9 20:53:41 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 8:47:26 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to >>>>>>> the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong. It is designed to do this.

    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can
    see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which
    sees it as read only. I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the
    apple "files" app. Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for
    a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn
    sure try it.

    The whole point of the Files app is to see/copy files. Copy the file to your iPad. You can then edit it/do whatever you want with it. The Files app is not
    a text editor.


    You misunderstood. Files cannot put a file onto the network drive. It
    can read them fine. Or even copy them. It cannot modify them because it
    thinks they are read only. How hard is this for you to understand?

    Of course, once edited/saved it is no longer a .txt file. It is now a .pages file on the PC. That's why Pages loads it up for me on the iPad. So I can edit/save iPad Pages files on a Windows PC network drive. Simple with SMB networking.


    I don't use "pages" and don't care at all about it.

    This is all basic networking stuff. This is how it is supposed to work. WTH are you doing wrong?


    You tell me, genius. It works fine with owl files app on my apple toys
    and with any of a bunch of windows computers. Every one of them. I use
    it every day.

    But, maybe you should forget about helping solve my problem, because I
    found an app that actually does work on my apple toys.

    Besides, did you know that arlen is on the loose again? Better get your
    ass moving and track him down. If you don't protect apple, who will?

    nospam has been missing (or dead) for many months, so you're the best
    apologist left I guess.

    Good luck

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  • From Char Jackson@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Wed Apr 9 21:42:18 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 00:35:03 +0000, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:

    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22?PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong. It is designed to do this.

    What issues/errors are you getting? Both the PC and the iPhone/iPad need to be >on the same network. Your home wifi for example.

    Google seems to think it can work across one or more routers, including
    across the Internet. They go out of their way to say that would be a bad
    idea, due to the attack surface, or because an ISP might block the well
    known ports, but you could tunnel it through a VPN to get around that,
    if necessary. I'm not saying anyone should do it, but it does seem to be possible since it's just another protocol riding on top of TCP/IP.

    The PC HAS to have an
    account with a password. That is a Windows requirement for networking. >Nothing to do with the Files app. If you were connecting 2 Windows PCs, the >same issue would exist.

    It does not have to be a Microsoft account. Local account is fine.

    "Walled Garden" drivel ingnored.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Apr 9 20:00:07 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-09 16:48, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 4:36:28 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


       I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to >>>>> the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

        The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
        *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    Of course.   I don't know why some people won't accept this fact.

    SMB is THE standard for networking. Its how Windows networks with
    Windows,
    Linux and Unix.  iOS - being Unix - does this just fine. Move ANY
    files you
    want, back and forth.  Simple, easy and fast.

    And you don't have to share an entire drive on Windows. You can share
    a single
    folder which has the file(s) in question.  I just share the whole drive
    because its easier that way. Then - on the iPhone/iPad - you drill
    down to
    where the file(s) you want are located.  Just like you do in Windows
    or Linux
    or Unix.



    Yes, but the apple "Files" app will consider everything read only.


    Nope.

    I've tested that and it's wrong.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Apr 9 20:01:27 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-09 15:22, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


      I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

       The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
       *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me. I can use two ways to penetrate the walled garden ( Either from PC to iphone, or iphone to PC ):

    If it doesn't work for you (and assuming you have a new enough version
    of iOS) that's on you.


    1)  Send the file as an attachment in an email. I haven't used this for
    a while, so apple may have plugged that garden wall leak by now.

    2) Put the file on a network drive. "files app" won't function, but
    there are other apps that do actually work with network drives, (read
    and write); for example owl-files (even the free version).

    Why won't '"files app"' function?

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 03:01:47 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 9, 2025 at 9:53:41 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 8:47:26 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <Hank@nospam.invalid>
    wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to >>>>>>>> the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong. It is designed to do this. >>>>
    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can >>> see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which
    sees it as read only. I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the
    apple "files" app. Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for
    a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn
    sure try it.

    The whole point of the Files app is to see/copy files. Copy the file to your >> iPad. You can then edit it/do whatever you want with it. The Files app is not
    a text editor.


    You misunderstood. Files cannot put a file onto the network drive. It
    can read them fine. Or even copy them. It cannot modify them because it thinks they are read only. How hard is this for you to understand?

    You are an idiot. Of COURSE it can add a new file to a Windows PC. And again, Files is not a text editor. Read only means nothing. AGAIN, I do this all the time.

    I thought you were actually asking for help. I didn't realize you were an asshole troll.

    Fuck off.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Apr 9 20:04:02 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-09 17:47, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


       I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to >>>>>> the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

        The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
        *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong.  It is designed to do this.

    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can
    see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which
    sees it as read only.  I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the
    apple "files" app.  Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for
    a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn
    sure try it.

    I just copied a file from my iCloud drive folder in Files to my Windows
    10 machine's shared folder.

    IT

    WORKS.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Apr 9 20:05:38 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-09 18:53, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 8:47:26 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


        I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from >>>>>>>> iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

         The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
         *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong.  It is designed to do this. >>>>
    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can >>> see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which
    sees it as read only.  I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the
    apple "files" app.  Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for >>> a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn
    sure try it.

    The whole point of the Files app is to see/copy files. Copy the file
    to your
    iPad. You can then edit it/do whatever you want with it.  The Files
    app is not
    a text editor.


    You misunderstood. Files cannot put a file onto the network drive. It
    can read them fine. Or even copy them. It cannot modify them because it thinks they are read only.  How hard is this for you to understand?

    I'm sorry, but you're still wrong.

    Files CAN put a file onto an SMB share...

    ...assuming you connect to it with write privileges.


    Of course, once edited/saved it is no longer a .txt file.  It is now
    a .pages
    file on the PC. That's why Pages loads it up for me on the iPad. So I can
    edit/save iPad Pages files on a Windows PC network drive. Simple with SMB
    networking.


    I don't use "pages" and don't care at all about it.

    This is all basic networking stuff.  This is how it is supposed to
    work.  WTH
    are you doing wrong?


    You tell me, genius. It works fine with owl files app on my apple toys
    and with any of a bunch of windows computers. Every one of them. I use
    it every day.

    But, maybe you should forget about helping solve my problem, because I
    found an app that actually does work on my apple toys.

    Besides, did you know that arlen is on the loose again?  Better get your
    ass moving and track him down.  If you don't protect apple, who will?

    nospam has been missing (or dead) for many months, so you're the best apologist left I guess.
    Maybe you should spend less time calling them "toys"...

    ...and more time learning how to use them?

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Marion on Thu Apr 10 03:24:59 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 8, 2025 at 5:45:53 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 01:31:17 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    That's probably true. But I set up my laptop with a Microsoft account so
    that's what I had to use.

    Whoever wants to try it don't forget to Share the folder on the PC and add >> the user with full rights to the folder.

    Both of the statements above are completely correct in that SMB works great except when it doesn't - but it works great when 2 things are already done.

    1. You (effectively) must have an account on the PC with a password set
    2. You must have sharing on the PC done correctly

    Both of those are Windows SMB networking requirements. Nothing to do with the Files app. When you connect via SMB, Windows REQUIRES a username and password AND OF COURSE the file folder/drive/whatever must be shared on Windows. The same thing is true when networking 2 Windows PCs. Its called "security".

    Once connected, you can copy files in both directions. It is NOT difficult to copy files from Windows (or Unix or Linux) to iOS (Unix).

    In fact, you can edit/save iPad/iPhone/Mac files directly on the Windows PC drive. I just now did this with an iPad and the Files app. The shared Windows folder/drive becomes a network drive to the iPhone/iPad/Mac.

    This is how SMB networking works. You login to the "server", connect to whatever drive/folder you need, and view/copy/edit whatever files you need.

    Can't login? Then you are not authorized to connect to the "server". That's
    how "real world" networking works. Try connecting to a bank with no login name/password.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 9 22:19:37 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-09 15:22, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


      I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

       The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
       *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me. I can use two ways to penetrate
    the walled garden ( Either from PC to iphone, or iphone to PC ):

    If it doesn't work for you (and assuming you have a new enough version
    of iOS) that's on you.


    1)  Send the file as an attachment in an email. I haven't used this
    for a while, so apple may have plugged that garden wall leak by now.

    2) Put the file on a network drive. "files app" won't function, but
    there are other apps that do actually work with network drives, (read
    and write); for example owl-files (even the free version).

    Why won't '"files app"' function?

    If I try to add a file for example, it says the network drive is read
    only. Can't past or copy a file to the drive. Also, it cannot delete a
    file for the same reason. READ ONLY with "files app". It's the same on
    iphone and ipad. I don't have this problem on windows computers. On the ipad/phone, I can use owl files (similar to the "files" app, but
    actually works). So this has solve the problem for me.

    But this doesn't change the fact that the "files" app simply does not
    work. I can only read files on the network drive, never able to write a
    file to it or delete a file. It has been this way a long time, and
    through quite a few updates so it doesn't look like it will ever be fixed.

    The network drive is a 500 GB samsung hard drive plugged into a netgear
    RAX54V2 router. The router settings are to allow read and write for
    every device on the network, and no password or other limiting things
    are enabled. EVERY other device on the local network is able to read and
    WRITE data to the drive. On the ipad and iphone, I can sucessfully use
    owlfiles (free version from the app store), but the native apple files
    app does not work ... ever. Not even once has it worked.

    If this makes me a troll, so be it.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Apr 10 03:27:16 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 9, 2025 at 11:04:02 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-09 17:47, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to >>>>>>> the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong. It is designed to do this.

    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can
    see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which
    sees it as read only. I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the
    apple "files" app. Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for
    a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn
    sure try it.

    I just copied a file from my iCloud drive folder in Files to my Windows
    10 machine's shared folder.

    IT

    WORKS.

    Of course it does.

    This is a Lost Cause, Alan. Trolls refuse to believe how easy this is.
    Because Apple is a "walled garden".

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Apr 9 22:33:35 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-09 17:47, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


       I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from
    iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

        The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
        *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong.  It is designed to do this. >>>
    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I
    can see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app,
    which sees it as read only.  I can use owlfiles app which works,
    unlike the apple "files" app.  Apple's "files" app appears broken and
    has been for a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn
    sure try it.

    I just copied a file from my iCloud drive folder in Files to my Windows
    10 machine's shared folder.

    IT

    WORKS.

    It doesn't work for me. I wish I knew the reason.

    I remember ages ago It did work copying to a windows shared folder (I
    think), but I have never got it to work on the drive attached to the
    router, which is shared among all devices issued an IP address on the
    network.

    Only ipad and iphone have this problem. Windows machines have no
    problem and the drive shows up in explorer and functions same as any
    other disk drive.

    And again, it's just apple's "files" app. The Owl files app actually
    works perfectly. I haven't tried any other apps from the store, since it
    works. So, it's not a setting or mis-configuration. It's a bug in
    "files" as far as I can tell. Probably will never be fixed I guess. But
    It's it's OK because Owl files works. I just hate to give up.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Wed Apr 9 20:41:00 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-09 20:33, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-09 17:47, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


       I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from >>>>>>>> iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

        The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
        *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong.  It is designed to do
    this.

    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I
    can see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app,
    which sees it as read only.  I can use owlfiles app which works,
    unlike the apple "files" app.  Apple's "files" app appears broken
    and has been for a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will
    damn sure try it.

    I just copied a file from my iCloud drive folder in Files to my
    Windows 10 machine's shared folder.

    IT

    WORKS.

    It doesn't work for me.  I wish I knew the reason.

    Have you spent as much time trying to figure it out as you've spent whining?


    I remember ages ago It did work copying to a windows shared folder (I
    think), but I have never got it to work on the drive attached to the
    router, which is shared among all devices issued an IP address on the network.

    Now you've introduced an unmentioned wrinkle...

    ...but I bet I could solve it.


    Only ipad and iphone have this problem.  Windows machines have no
    problem and the drive shows up in explorer and functions same as any
    other disk drive.

    And again, it's just apple's "files" app. The Owl files app actually
    works perfectly. I haven't tried any other apps from the store, since it works.  So, it's not a setting or mis-configuration. It's a bug in
    "files" as far as I can tell. Probably will never be fixed I guess. But
    It's it's OK because Owl files works.  I just hate to give up.
    So don't.

    Your statement that 'it's a bug in "Files"' is based on your limited
    read of the situation.

    What's the router?

    What version of SMB is it running?

    With what options?

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Apr 10 04:04:03 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-09 20:33, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-09 17:47, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


       I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from >>>>>>>>> iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

        The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
        *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong.  It is designed to do >>>>> this.

    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I
    can see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app,
    which sees it as read only.  I can use owlfiles app which works,
    unlike the apple "files" app.  Apple's "files" app appears broken
    and has been for a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will
    damn sure try it.

    I just copied a file from my iCloud drive folder in Files to my
    Windows 10 machine's shared folder.

    IT

    WORKS.

    It doesn't work for me.  I wish I knew the reason.

    Have you spent as much time trying to figure it out as you've spent whining?


    I remember ages ago It did work copying to a windows shared folder (I
    think), but I have never got it to work on the drive attached to the
    router, which is shared among all devices issued an IP address on the
    network.

    Now you've introduced an unmentioned wrinkle...

    ...but I bet I could solve it.


    Only ipad and iphone have this problem.  Windows machines have no
    problem and the drive shows up in explorer and functions same as any
    other disk drive.

    And again, it's just apple's "files" app. The Owl files app actually
    works perfectly. I haven't tried any other apps from the store, since it
    works.  So, it's not a setting or mis-configuration. It's a bug in
    "files" as far as I can tell. Probably will never be fixed I guess. But
    It's it's OK because Owl files works.  I just hate to give up.
    So don't.
    i
    Your statement that 'it's a bug in "Files"' is based on your limited
    read of the situation.

    What's the router?

    Netgear RAX54v2, as I said previously.
    What version of SMB is it running?


    i have no idea. It has a usb port for a disk drive. All settings are the default

    With what options?

    No password set for the drive. Of course all devices have to use the
    routers password to get dhcp to issue an ip address.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Thu Apr 10 04:12:14 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 11:04:02 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-09 17:47, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to >>>>>>>> the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong. It is designed to do this. >>>>
    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can >>> see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which
    sees it as read only. I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the
    apple "files" app. Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for
    a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn
    sure try it.

    I just copied a file from my iCloud drive folder in Files to my Windows
    10 machine's shared folder.

    IT

    WORKS.

    Of course it does.

    This is a Lost Cause, Alan. Trolls refuse to believe how easy this is. Because Apple is a "walled garden".


    Look, my goal is to solve a problem. Your goal is to Evangelize.
    That’s fine. I don’t want your damn help. Now run along and look for arlen. You’ll be much happier.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Apr 10 04:15:39 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-09 18:53, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 8:47:26 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


        I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from >>>>>>>>> iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

         The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
         *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong.  It is designed to do this. >>>>>
    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can >>>> see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which >>>> sees it as read only.  I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the >>>> apple "files" app.  Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for >>>> a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn >>>> sure try it.

    The whole point of the Files app is to see/copy files. Copy the file
    to your
    iPad. You can then edit it/do whatever you want with it.  The Files
    app is not
    a text editor.


    You misunderstood. Files cannot put a file onto the network drive. It
    can read them fine. Or even copy them. It cannot modify them because it
    thinks they are read only.  How hard is this for you to understand?

    I'm sorry, but you're still wrong.

    Files CAN put a file onto an SMB share...

    ...assuming you connect to it with write privileges.


    Of course, once edited/saved it is no longer a .txt file.  It is now
    a .pages
    file on the PC. That's why Pages loads it up for me on the iPad. So I can >>> edit/save iPad Pages files on a Windows PC network drive. Simple with SMB >>> networking.


    I don't use "pages" and don't care at all about it.

    This is all basic networking stuff.  This is how it is supposed to
    work.  WTH
    are you doing wrong?


    You tell me, genius. It works fine with owl files app on my apple toys
    and with any of a bunch of windows computers. Every one of them. I use
    it every day.

    But, maybe you should forget about helping solve my problem, because I
    found an app that actually does work on my apple toys.

    Besides, did you know that arlen is on the loose again?  Better get your
    ass moving and track him down.  If you don't protect apple, who will?

    nospam has been missing (or dead) for many months, so you're the best
    apologist left I guess.
    Maybe you should spend less time calling them "toys"...

    ...and more time learning how to use them?


    Im sorry I offended you.. I won’t bother you again.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Apr 10 05:08:11 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-09, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-06 23:53, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
    On 4/7/2025 8:16 AM, Paul wrote:
    Yes, you can transfer files from an iPhone to a Windows PC using the
    **SMB (Server Message Block)** protocol.

    Anyone can pull off an iPhone/iOS but the hard part is going the
    other way.

    Pushing the file from the PC to iOS is what this thread seems to be
    about based on the subject, which is to PUSH from the PC to the
    iPhone/iPad.

    And you have to be able to PUSH from the PC to iOS all file types &
    sizes.

    You'd need an SMB server on the iOS device & the SMB client on
    Windows.

    Nope.

    Because with a file server and client "push" and "pull" become
    irrelevant if you have control over both.

    Sure: there is no SMB server implementation for iOS, so to transfer
    files from a PC to an iOS device, you PULL them.

    There have been iOS apps that let you transfer files from any computer
    to an iPhone through a web browser for *ages*. If these idiot trolls
    knew *anything* about Apple products, they'd know that.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Mickey D on Thu Apr 10 05:10:01 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-07, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
    On 7 Apr 2025 00:42:59 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    iTunes runs fine in Windows. I've got it installed. And it works fine
    for this purpose.

    The unofficial guide to installing iTunes 10 ewithout blah blah blah...

    Not necessary.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Finnigan@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Thu Apr 10 08:49:31 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 00:27:49 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

    Yes, but the apple "Files" app will consider everything read only.

    So? The discussion here is about COPYING files from Windows to iOS. The Files
    app does that just fine. Any file, both directions.

    Why is it so f***** hard to transfer files to my iPhone? https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/18qx5fo/why_is_it_so_f_hard_to_transfer_files_to_my_iphone/?rdt=62942

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 09:16:06 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 04:15:39 -0000 (UTC), Hank Rogers wrote :


    ...and more time learning how to use them?


    Im sorry I offended you.. I won't bother you again.

    Have you noticed that nospam (Tyrone) and Alan Baker both claim they did
    it, but neither of them ever knows how to post a screenshot proving it.

    Meanwhile, you and badgolferman tried, and failed, as did I (but I'm not creating an account on my Windows PC just to get iOS to do trivial tasks).

    Whom do you believe?
    a. Apple trolls like nospam (Tyrone) & Alan Baker who historically have
    sadistically sent people on wild-goose chases for decades, or...

    b. People like yourself and badgolferman, who are simply trying to do
    something as trivial as copy a file from Windows over the LAN to iOS?

    Note that out of BILLIONS of people on this planet who might want to copy a file from Windows to iOS using the Files SMB client, there isn't a single screenshot of that being successful in the entire world wide Internet.

    Not even a single screenshot in the entire universe shows it working.
    --
    (ask me how I know this)

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 09:19:30 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 04:12:14 -0000 (UTC), Hank Rogers wrote :


    I just copied a file from my iCloud drive folder in Files to my Windows
    10 machine's shared folder.

    IT

    WORKS.

    Of course it does.

    This is a Lost Cause, Alan. Trolls refuse to believe how easy this is.
    Because Apple is a "walled garden".


    Look, my goal is to solve a problem.

    Is it lost on anyone that nospam (Tyrone), Alan Baker & Jolly Roger insist
    they have the technical ability to make it work - and yet - none of these well-known Apple trolls has the technical acumen to post a screenshot?

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 09:31:15 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 04:04:03 -0000 (UTC), Hank Rogers wrote :


    All settings are the default

    For decades, Apple trolls have deceitfully fabricated iOS functionality.
    Ask them to post a screenshot of them successfully doing what they claim.

    If they're as technically competent as they claim, surely they can do that.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 09:28:10 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 22:33:35 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote :


    IT

    WORKS.

    It doesn't work for me. I wish I knew the reason.

    I remember ages ago It did work copying to a windows shared folder (I
    think), but I have never got it to work on the drive attached to the
    router, which is shared among all devices issued an IP address on the network.

    Only ipad and iphone have this problem. Windows machines have no
    problem and the drive shows up in explorer and functions same as any
    other disk drive.

    And again, it's just apple's "files" app. The Owl files app actually
    works perfectly. I haven't tried any other apps from the store, since it works. So, it's not a setting or mis-configuration. It's a bug in
    "files" as far as I can tell. Probably will never be fixed I guess. But
    It's it's OK because Owl files works. I just hate to give up.

    Thank you for being an adult, along with badgolferman, and trying to simply copy a file from Windows to the iOS device using iOS' Files SMB client app.

    Please keep in mind that Alan Baker, nospam (Tyrone), Jolly Roger have been brazenly fabricating completely imaginary iOS functionality for decades...
    *It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>
    <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0>

    Why can't these Apple trolls post a screenshot of it working for them?

    Remember when Snit tried doing that long ago, and it turned out that nospam
    and Snit and Jolly Roger and Alan Baker don't know what a decibel is?
    2-1/2 minute Snit video purportedly detailing iOS showing Wi-Fi over time
    <https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> iKooks can't even see the fatal flaw!
    From: Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> === Michael Glasser

    The Apple trolls still think a decibel is the same as a megabit per second.

    They claimed that iOS can do something as trivial as graph wi-fi and
    cellular signal strength in real time for all nearby antennas, but what
    they posted was megabits per second speed tests as proof of that.

    Same thing is happening here almost certainly since there isn't a single screenshot of what they claim they just did, on the entire Internet.
    (ask me how I know this)

    Ask the Apple trolls to post a screenshot of them successfully doing it.
    Just like "Snit" did when he insisted a decibel and a MB/s are the same!
    --
    For decades, Apple trolls have deceitfully fabricated iOS functionality.

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  • From Bill Powell@21:1/5 to Char Jackson appears to have on Thu Apr 10 11:38:16 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Char Jackson appears to have wrote:

    What issues/errors are you getting? Both the PC and the iPhone/iPad need to be
    on the same network. Your home wifi for example.

    Google seems to think it can work across one or more routers, including across the Internet. They go out of their way to say that would be a bad idea, due to the attack surface, or because an ISP might block the well
    known ports, but you could tunnel it through a VPN to get around that,
    if necessary. I'm not saying anyone should do it, but it does seem to be possible since it's just another protocol riding on top of TCP/IP.

    SMB read only !? : r/ios - Reddit: This recent Reddit thread discusses
    users experiencing read-only access to their SMB shares via the Files app
    after updating iOS. https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1hoyqw9/smb_read_only/

    files/folders on smb server read only since ios 18 - Apple Support
    Communities: This ongoing discussion indicates that many users are
    encountering read-only issues with their SMB shares in the Files app after updating to iOS 18.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255775451

    Samba SMB shares are read only now in Files on iOS 14.5 - Apple Support Community: This older thread shows that read-only issues with SMB in the
    Files app have been a recurring problem for a while. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252772242

    iOS 16 Files App - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: Another thread where users report that their SMB shares are mounted as read-only in
    the Files app after updating to iOS 16. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254198977

    Files app smb share is read only - Reddit: A user seeking help on why their
    SMB share is only accessible in read-only mode on their iOS device. https://www.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/t359pd/files_app_smb_share_is_read_only/

    Files App SMB server connection fails and shows "Empty" - Apple Support Communities: This thread discusses issues where users can't connect to
    their SMB servers or see empty folders after connecting. While not always
    about writing, it highlights the general instability of the SMB connection
    in the Files app.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255360633

    [iOS 17.4 DB2] Unable to View/Access NAS Files on the Apple Files App via
    SMB - Reddit: This Reddit thread reports an inability to even view files on
    a NAS via SMB after an iOS update, indicating fundamental connection
    problems. https://www.reddit.com/r/iOSBeta/comments/1amfj1c/ios_174_db2_unable_to_viewaccess_nas_files_on_the/

    SMB Server in Files app failed to connect · Issue #171 ·
    checkra1n/BugTracker - GitHub: While related to jailbreaking, this thread
    from a few years ago also points to fundamental connection issues with the Files app and SMB.
    https://github.com/checkra1n/BugTracker/issues/171

    iOS Files App not connecting to SMB share - Apple Support Communities: A
    user describes the Files app intermittently failing to connect to their SMB share, requiring restarts and other troubleshooting steps. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254632018

    iPhone Files app can't connect to local SMB share - Reddit: A user details their struggles to consistently connect their iPhone to a local SMB share
    using the Files app. https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/q6788s/iphone_files_app_cant_connect_to_local_smb_share/

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Thu Apr 10 09:52:33 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 03:24:59 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Once connected, you can copy files in both directions. It is NOT difficult to copy files from Windows (or Unix or Linux) to iOS (Unix).

    You were paid by Apple to defend Apple to the death, for years, nospam.
    You're brazenly fabricating imaginary iOS functionality that doesn't exist.

    The fact you can't supply a screenshot of it working says more than you do. Hell, you can't even *find* a screenshot on the entire Internet showing it.

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  • From Bill Powell@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 11:47:50 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 22:19:37 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote:

    The "files" app doesn't work for me. I can use two ways to penetrate
    the walled garden ( Either from PC to iphone, or iphone to PC ):

    If it doesn't work for you (and assuming you have a new enough version
    of iOS) that's on you.

    If I try to add a file for example, it says the network drive is read
    only. If this makes me a troll, so be it.

    It's not just you. Maybe hundreds of people below must be trolls too
    because they are reporting exactly what you're reporting, aren't they?

    iOS 18 - Shares are "Read Only" - Unraid Forums: This ongoing discussion indicates that since updating to iOS 18, users are experiencing their
    Unraid SMB shares mounting as read-only in the Files app. They discuss
    various attempts to fix it, including modifying the smb.conf file. https://forums.unraid.net/topic/185586-ios-18-shares-%E2%80%9Cread-only%E2%80%9D/

    Home NAS is Read Only in Files app : r/ios - Reddit: This Reddit thread
    from several months ago details a user experiencing their home NAS becoming read-only in the Files app after an iOS update. Comments suggest this is a known issue and offer potential (though not universally successful) workarounds. https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1ahrk3b/home_nas_is_read_only_in_files_app/

    files/folders on smb server read only since ios 18 - Apple Support
    Communities: This thread on Apple's own support forums has multiple users reporting that their SMB shares have become read-only in the Files app
    since updating to iOS 18. Users discuss potential fixes and the lack of a consistent solution.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255775451

    Samba shares are readonly on iOS · Issue #3834 · home-assistant/addons - GitHub: This GitHub issue report discusses the Samba share add-on for Home Assistant being mounted as read-only in the iOS Files app. It includes technical details and user troubleshooting attempts. https://github.com/home-assistant/addons/issues/3834

    iOS 17 SMB Read-Only Issue - Apple Support Communities: This thread
    discusses users experiencing their SMB shares becoming read-only after
    updating to iOS 17. Users share their configurations and troubleshooting
    steps.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255148858

    iPadOS 16.4 - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: This thread details users encountering read-only access to their SMB shares on iPads
    after updating to iPadOS 16.4.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254708917

    SMB Share Suddenly Read Only - MacRumors Forums: A discussion on a popular Apple forum where users discuss their SMB shares becoming read-only on iOS
    and iPadOS, with potential causes and temporary fixes being explored. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/smb-share-suddenly-read-only.2388499/

    iOS 15.4 SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: This thread
    indicates that the read-only issue has been present in earlier iOS versions
    as well, suggesting it's not a new problem. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253730707

    iOS 16 Files App - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: Another thread where users discuss their SMB shares mounting as read-only in the
    Files app after updating to iOS 16. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254198977

    SMB Share Suddenly Read Only - MacRumors Forums: A discussion on a popular Apple forum where users discuss their SMB shares becoming read-only on iOS
    and iPadOS. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/smb-share-suddenly-read-only.2388499/

    Files app smb share is read only - Reddit: A user seeking help on why their
    SMB share is only accessible in read-only mode on their iOS device. https://www.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/t359pd/files_app_smb_share_is_read_only/

    smb write access not working after updating to iOS 18 - Apple Support Communities: This thread specifically mentions the inability to write to
    SMB shares after updating iOS.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255767505

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  • From Mickey D@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Thu Apr 10 05:58:43 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 10 Apr 2025 05:10:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    The unofficial guide to installing iTunes 10 ewithout blah blah blah...

    Not necessary.

    There is no Windows user who is going to install that iTunes bloatware.
    Apple doesn't support it anymore and got rid of it for all but Windows.
    Apple doesn't care about Windows users so they let the zero days pile up.

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  • From Bill Powell@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Apr 10 12:03:27 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 09:48:48 -0700, Alan wrote:

    So is your suggested solution, if you gloss arcane SMB sharing setup.
    1. Use SMB

    That you can't do it is obvious by the fact you can't show screenshots.
    Show everyone, with screenshots, that you can push PC files to iOS.

    In two steps.
    We'll wait for you to prove, with screenshots, that you have done it.

    Because nobody else has.

    I just tried it and it works precisely as stated.

    I entered the IP address of my Windows machine; gave it my (local)
    Windows account and password and was instantly connected to the shared folders on the Windows box.

    iOS 16.1.1 Files app SMB share read only - Apple Support Communities:
    Another user reporting read-only access after a specific iOS update. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254377889

    iPad Pro M2 - SMB share read only - Apple Support Communities: This thread indicates the issue isn't limited to iPhones and affects iPads as well. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254188884

    iOS 17.3.1 - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: Demonstrating that the problem persists across different iOS versions. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255308918

    SMB share on iPhone is read only - Reddit: A straightforward question from
    a user experiencing the issue. https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/y264wv/smb_share_on_iphone_is_read_only/

    iOS 18 - Shares are "Read Only" - Unraid Forums: This ongoing discussion indicates that since updating to iOS 18, users are experiencing their
    Unraid SMB shares mounting as read-only in the Files app. They discuss
    various attempts to fix it, including modifying the smb.conf file. https://forums.unraid.net/topic/185586-ios-18-shares-%E2%80%9Cread-only%E2%80%9D/

    Home NAS is Read Only in Files app : r/ios - Reddit: This Reddit thread
    from several months ago details a user experiencing their home NAS becoming read-only in the Files app after an iOS update. Comments suggest this is a known issue and offer potential (though not universally successful) workarounds. https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1ahrk3b/home_nas_is_read_only_in_files_app/

    files/folders on smb server read only since ios 18 - Apple Support
    Communities: This thread on Apple's own support forums has multiple users reporting that their SMB shares have become read-only in the Files app
    since updating to iOS 18. Users discuss potential fixes and the lack of a consistent solution.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255775451

    Samba shares are readonly on iOS · Issue #3834 · home-assistant/addons - GitHub: This GitHub issue report discusses the Samba share add-on for Home Assistant being mounted as read-only in the iOS Files app. It includes technical details and user troubleshooting attempts. https://github.com/home-assistant/addons/issues/3834

    iOS 17 SMB Read-Only Issue - Apple Support Communities: This thread
    discusses users experiencing their SMB shares becoming read-only after
    updating to iOS 17. Users share their configurations and troubleshooting
    steps.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255148858

    iPadOS 16.4 - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: This thread details users encountering read-only access to their SMB shares on iPads
    after updating to iPadOS 16.4.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254708917

    SMB Share Suddenly Read Only - MacRumors Forums: A discussion on a popular Apple forum where users discuss their SMB shares becoming read-only on iOS
    and iPadOS, with potential causes and temporary fixes being explored. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/smb-share-suddenly-read-only.2388499/

    iOS 15.4 SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: This thread
    indicates that the read-only issue has been present in earlier iOS versions
    as well, suggesting it's not a new problem. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253730707

    iOS 16 Files App - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: Another thread where users discuss their SMB shares mounting as read-only in the
    Files app after updating to iOS 16. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254198977

    SMB Share Suddenly Read Only - MacRumors Forums: A discussion on a popular Apple forum where users discuss their SMB shares becoming read-only on iOS
    and iPadOS. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/smb-share-suddenly-read-only.2388499/

    Files app smb share is read only - Reddit: A user seeking help on why their
    SMB share is only accessible in read-only mode on their iOS device. https://www.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/t359pd/files_app_smb_share_is_read_only/

    smb write access not working after updating to iOS 18 - Apple Support Communities: This thread specifically mentions the inability to write to
    SMB shares after updating iOS.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255767505


    SMB read only !? : r/ios - Reddit: This recent Reddit thread discusses
    users experiencing read-only access to their SMB shares via the Files app
    after updating iOS. https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1hoyqw9/smb_read_only/

    files/folders on smb server read only since ios 18 - Apple Support
    Communities: This ongoing discussion indicates that many users are
    encountering read-only issues with their SMB shares in the Files app after updating to iOS 18.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255775451

    Samba SMB shares are read only now in Files on iOS 14.5 - Apple Support Community: This older thread shows that read-only issues with SMB in the
    Files app have been a recurring problem for a while. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252772242

    iOS 16 Files App - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: Another thread where users report that their SMB shares are mounted as read-only in
    the Files app after updating to iOS 16. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254198977

    Files app smb share is read only - Reddit: A user seeking help on why their
    SMB share is only accessible in read-only mode on their iOS device. https://www.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/t359pd/files_app_smb_share_is_read_only/

    Files App SMB server connection fails and shows "Empty" - Apple Support Communities: This thread discusses issues where users can't connect to
    their SMB servers or see empty folders after connecting. While not always
    about writing, it highlights the general instability of the SMB connection
    in the Files app.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255360633

    [iOS 17.4 DB2] Unable to View/Access NAS Files on the Apple Files App via
    SMB - Reddit: This Reddit thread reports an inability to even view files on
    a NAS via SMB after an iOS update, indicating fundamental connection
    problems. https://www.reddit.com/r/iOSBeta/comments/1amfj1c/ios_174_db2_unable_to_viewaccess_nas_files_on_the/

    SMB Server in Files app failed to connect · Issue #171 ·
    checkra1n/BugTracker - GitHub: While related to jailbreaking, this thread
    from a few years ago also points to fundamental connection issues with the Files app and SMB.
    https://github.com/checkra1n/BugTracker/issues/171

    iOS Files App not connecting to SMB share - Apple Support Communities: A
    user describes the Files app intermittently failing to connect to their SMB share, requiring restarts and other troubleshooting steps. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254632018

    iPhone Files app can't connect to local SMB share - Reddit: A user details their struggles to consistently connect their iPhone to a local SMB share
    using the Files app. https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/q6788s/iphone_files_app_cant_connect_to_local_smb_share/

    Why is it so f***** hard to transfer files to my iPhone? https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/18qx5fo/why_is_it_so_f_hard_to_transfer_files_to_my_iphone/?rdt=62942

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 14:44:19 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
    Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 11:04:02 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-09 17:47, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22â?¯PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :
    [...]
    Look, my goal is to solve a problem. Your goal is to Evangelize.
    That?s fine. I don?t want your damn help. Now run along and look for arlen. You?ll be much happier.

    *Look* for 'Arlen'? You guys have already found him, or better, he has
    found you! :-)

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Thu Apr 10 15:05:52 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 4:36:28?PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    Of course. I don't know why some people won't accept this fact.

    SMB is THE standard for networking. Its how Windows networks with Windows, Linux and Unix. iOS - being Unix - does this just fine. Move ANY files you want, back and forth. Simple, easy and fast.

    And you don't have to share an entire drive on Windows. You can share a single
    folder which has the file(s) in question. I just share the whole drive because its easier that way. Then - on the iPhone/iPad - you drill down to where the file(s) you want are located. Just like you do in Windows or Linux or Unix.

    All true, but often one wants to control/initiate the copy from the
    Windows system, i.e. from a real keyboard, 'mouse' and large display,
    instead of from a small phone/tablet with only a touch screen.

    For that, the iOS device needs to be a SMB *server* and work on the
    default SMB port (445), because on the Windows side you can not change
    the port number.

    Can an iPhone/iPad do that? If so, please give some pointers to such a
    SMB server for iPhone/iPad.

    Android can't do that. It has lots of SMB servers, but (non-rooted)
    Android doesn't let you use port numbers below 1024.

    That's why I use MTP or (Samsung/Google) Quick Share to get stuff from
    my Android devices to my Windows systems and vice versa. In both cases,
    the Android device is the server, which gets requests from the Windows
    client. So I can do everything from the comfort of my Windows laptop. In
    the second scenario, I don't even have to touch/see the Android device.

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  • From Bill W@21:1/5 to Marion on Thu Apr 10 11:27:09 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 10, 2025, Marion wrote
    (in article<vt84d1$2h2o$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>):

    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 03:24:59 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Once connected, you can copy files in both directions. It is NOT difficult to
    copy files from Windows (or Unix or Linux) to iOS (Unix).

    You were paid by Apple to defend Apple to the death, for years, nospam.

    How on earth can you think Tyrone is nospam, Arlen? Do you think
    he started capitalizing words just to hide his identity? And completely
    changed his writing style?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 10:01:13 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-09 21:15, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-09 18:53, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 8:47:26 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


        I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from >>>>>>>>>> iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler... >>>>>>>>>
         The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
         *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong.  It is designed to do this. >>>>>>
    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can >>>>> see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which >>>>> sees it as read only.  I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the >>>>> apple "files" app.  Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for >>>>> a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn >>>>> sure try it.

    The whole point of the Files app is to see/copy files. Copy the file
    to your
    iPad. You can then edit it/do whatever you want with it.  The Files
    app is not
    a text editor.


    You misunderstood. Files cannot put a file onto the network drive. It
    can read them fine. Or even copy them. It cannot modify them because it
    thinks they are read only.  How hard is this for you to understand?

    I'm sorry, but you're still wrong.

    Files CAN put a file onto an SMB share...

    ...assuming you connect to it with write privileges.


    Of course, once edited/saved it is no longer a .txt file.  It is now
    a .pages
    file on the PC. That's why Pages loads it up for me on the iPad. So I can >>>> edit/save iPad Pages files on a Windows PC network drive. Simple with SMB >>>> networking.


    I don't use "pages" and don't care at all about it.

    This is all basic networking stuff.  This is how it is supposed to
    work.  WTH
    are you doing wrong?


    You tell me, genius. It works fine with owl files app on my apple toys
    and with any of a bunch of windows computers. Every one of them. I use
    it every day.

    But, maybe you should forget about helping solve my problem, because I
    found an app that actually does work on my apple toys.

    Besides, did you know that arlen is on the loose again?  Better get your >>> ass moving and track him down.  If you don't protect apple, who will?

    nospam has been missing (or dead) for many months, so you're the best
    apologist left I guess.
    Maybe you should spend less time calling them "toys"...

    ...and more time learning how to use them?


    Im sorry I offended you.. I won’t bother you again.
    You haven't offended me.

    You've made yourself look like you're a troll and a buffoon.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Thu Apr 10 10:09:03 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-10 02:16, Marion wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 04:15:39 -0000 (UTC), Hank Rogers wrote :


    ...and more time learning how to use them?


    Im sorry I offended you.. I won't bother you again.

    Have you noticed that nospam (Tyrone) and Alan Baker both claim they did
    it, but neither of them ever knows how to post a screenshot proving it.


    Meanwhile, you and badgolferman tried, and failed, as did I (but I'm not creating an account on my Windows PC just to get iOS to do trivial tasks).

    Whom do you believe?
    a. Apple trolls like nospam (Tyrone) & Alan Baker who historically have
    sadistically sent people on wild-goose chases for decades, or...

    b. People like yourself and badgolferman, who are simply trying to do
    something as trivial as copy a file from Windows over the LAN to iOS?

    Note that out of BILLIONS of people on this planet who might want to copy a file from Windows to iOS using the Files SMB client, there isn't a single screenshot of that being successful in the entire world wide Internet.

    Not even a single screenshot in the entire universe shows it working.

    I knew you'd get around to this, Arlen:

    <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-53MXwAhDsQU59dicaGUfZRDISZAEJY9?usp=share_link>

    That's a folder on my Google Drive.

    In it are three images:

    IMG_6446.PNG:

    This shows a folder in the Files app on my iPhone with two files in it.
    Both were saved in that folder from elsewhere: one from the iCloud Drive
    and one out of Photos (that's my RF98 Van Diemen Honda Formula F racer,
    BTW; the one you say I don't actually race).

    IMG_6447.PNG:

    This shows the same folder with its information, which shows it's
    clearly a folder on a server with the IP 10.0.0.122.

    Screenshot 2025-04-09 at 20.24.24.png:

    And this last is a screenshot taken on my Mac of me accessing the same
    share. You can see the path at the bottom of the window: "Users > Alan > Public-Alan".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 10:09:36 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-09 21:12, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 11:04:02 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-09 17:47, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from iOS to >>>>>>>>> the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler...

    The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
    *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong. It is designed to do this. >>>>>
    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I can >>>> see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app, which >>>> sees it as read only. I can use owlfiles app which works, unlike the
    apple "files" app. Apple's "files" app appears broken and has been for >>>> a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will damn >>>> sure try it.

    I just copied a file from my iCloud drive folder in Files to my Windows
    10 machine's shared folder.

    IT

    WORKS.

    Of course it does.

    This is a Lost Cause, Alan. Trolls refuse to believe how easy this is.
    Because Apple is a "walled garden".


    Look, my goal is to solve a problem. Your goal is to Evangelize.
    That’s fine. I don’t want your damn help. Now run along and look for arlen. You’ll be much happier.




    If your goal were actually to solve a problem, you won't go around
    calling the tools you WANT TO USE "toys".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Thu Apr 10 10:10:00 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-10 02:19, Marion wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 04:12:14 -0000 (UTC), Hank Rogers wrote :


    I just copied a file from my iCloud drive folder in Files to my Windows >>>> 10 machine's shared folder.

    IT

    WORKS.

    Of course it does.

    This is a Lost Cause, Alan. Trolls refuse to believe how easy this is.
    Because Apple is a "walled garden".


    Look, my goal is to solve a problem.

    Is it lost on anyone that nospam (Tyrone), Alan Baker & Jolly Roger insist they have the technical ability to make it work - and yet - none of these well-known Apple trolls has the technical acumen to post a screenshot?

    I knew you'd get around to this, Arlen:

    <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-53MXwAhDsQU59dicaGUfZRDISZAEJY9?usp=share_link>

    That's a folder on my Google Drive.

    In it are three images:

    IMG_6446.PNG:

    This shows a folder in the Files app on my iPhone with two files in it.
    Both were saved in that folder from elsewhere: one from the iCloud Drive
    and one out of Photos (that's my RF98 Van Diemen Honda Formula F racer,
    BTW; the one you say I don't actually race).

    IMG_6447.PNG:

    This shows the same folder with its information, which shows it's
    clearly a folder on a server with the IP 10.0.0.122.

    Screenshot 2025-04-09 at 20.24.24.png:

    And this last is a screenshot taken on my Mac of me accessing the same
    share. You can see the path at the bottom of the window: "Users > Alan > Public-Alan".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Thu Apr 10 10:11:24 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-10 02:28, Marion wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 22:33:35 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote :


    IT

    WORKS.

    It doesn't work for me. I wish I knew the reason.

    I remember ages ago It did work copying to a windows shared folder (I
    think), but I have never got it to work on the drive attached to the
    router, which is shared among all devices issued an IP address on the
    network.

    Only ipad and iphone have this problem. Windows machines have no
    problem and the drive shows up in explorer and functions same as any
    other disk drive.

    And again, it's just apple's "files" app. The Owl files app actually
    works perfectly. I haven't tried any other apps from the store, since it
    works. So, it's not a setting or mis-configuration. It's a bug in
    "files" as far as I can tell. Probably will never be fixed I guess. But
    It's it's OK because Owl files works. I just hate to give up.

    Thank you for being an adult, along with badgolferman, and trying to simply copy a file from Windows to the iOS device using iOS' Files SMB client app.

    Please keep in mind that Alan Baker, nospam (Tyrone), Jolly Roger have been brazenly fabricating completely imaginary iOS functionality for decades...
    *It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*
    <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/PZuec56EWB0>
    <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0>

    Why can't these Apple trolls post a screenshot of it working for them?

    I knew you'd get around to this, Arlen:

    <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-53MXwAhDsQU59dicaGUfZRDISZAEJY9?usp=share_link>

    That's a folder on my Google Drive.

    In it are three images:

    IMG_6446.PNG:

    This shows a folder in the Files app on my iPhone with two files in it.
    Both were saved in that folder from elsewhere: one from the iCloud Drive
    and one out of Photos (that's my RF98 Van Diemen Honda Formula F racer,
    BTW; the one you say I don't actually race).

    IMG_6447.PNG:

    This shows the same folder with its information, which shows it's
    clearly a folder on a server with the IP 10.0.0.122.

    Screenshot 2025-04-09 at 20.24.24.png:

    And this last is a screenshot taken on my Mac of me accessing the same
    share. You can see the path at the bottom of the window: "Users > Alan > Public-Alan".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Thu Apr 10 10:10:44 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-09 21:04, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-09 20:33, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-09 17:47, Hank Rogers wrote:
    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 9, 2025 at 6:22:22 PM EDT, "Hank Rogers"
    <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-08 00:43, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 21:50:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


       I do not. Hence, SMB doesn't work (in that direction from >>>>>>>>>> iOS to
    the PC).

    Aurgh. I keep writing it wrong(ly). Let me say it simpler... >>>>>>>>>
        The problem isn't getting files _off_ of iOS.
        *The problem is getting files _ON_ to iOS.*

    Nope. SMB makes that simple.

    The "files" app doesn't work for me.

    Then you are clearly doing something wrong.  It is designed to do >>>>>> this.

    What issues/errors are you getting?

    I have an iphone and an ipad. If I put a file on my network drive, I >>>>> can see it and read it on my apple toys/gadgets.

    But I cannot change anything or add a file using the "files" app,
    which sees it as read only.  I can use owlfiles app which works,
    unlike the apple "files" app.  Apple's "files" app appears broken >>>>> and has been for a long time.

    YOU tell me what to do to get apple's "files" app to work. I will
    damn sure try it.

    I just copied a file from my iCloud drive folder in Files to my
    Windows 10 machine's shared folder.

    IT

    WORKS.

    It doesn't work for me.  I wish I knew the reason.

    Have you spent as much time trying to figure it out as you've spent whining? >>

    I remember ages ago It did work copying to a windows shared folder (I
    think), but I have never got it to work on the drive attached to the
    router, which is shared among all devices issued an IP address on the
    network.

    Now you've introduced an unmentioned wrinkle...

    ...but I bet I could solve it.


    Only ipad and iphone have this problem.  Windows machines have no
    problem and the drive shows up in explorer and functions same as any
    other disk drive.

    And again, it's just apple's "files" app. The Owl files app actually
    works perfectly. I haven't tried any other apps from the store, since it >>> works.  So, it's not a setting or mis-configuration. It's a bug in
    "files" as far as I can tell. Probably will never be fixed I guess. But
    It's it's OK because Owl files works.  I just hate to give up.
    So don't.
    i
    Your statement that 'it's a bug in "Files"' is based on your limited
    read of the situation.

    What's the router?

    Netgear RAX54v2, as I said previously.
    What version of SMB is it running?


    i have no idea. It has a usb port for a disk drive. All settings are the default

    With what options?

    No password set for the drive. Of course all devices have to use the
    routers password to get dhcp to issue an ip address.
    Well there you go.

    Set up a password for the drive and try again.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Thu Apr 10 10:12:43 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-10 02:52, Marion wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 03:24:59 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Once connected, you can copy files in both directions. It is NOT difficult to
    copy files from Windows (or Unix or Linux) to iOS (Unix).

    You were paid by Apple to defend Apple to the death, for years, nospam. You're brazenly fabricating imaginary iOS functionality that doesn't exist.

    The fact you can't supply a screenshot of it working says more than you do. Hell, you can't even *find* a screenshot on the entire Internet showing it.

    I knew you'd get around to this, Arlen:

    <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-53MXwAhDsQU59dicaGUfZRDISZAEJY9?usp=share_link>

    That's a folder on my Google Drive.

    In it are three images:

    IMG_6446.PNG:

    This shows a folder in the Files app on my iPhone with two files in it.
    Both were saved in that folder from elsewhere: one from the iCloud Drive
    and one out of Photos (that's my RF98 Van Diemen Honda Formula F racer,
    BTW; the one you say I don't actually race).

    IMG_6447.PNG:

    This shows the same folder with its information, which shows it's
    clearly a folder on a server with the IP 10.0.0.122.

    Screenshot 2025-04-09 at 20.24.24.png:

    And this last is a screenshot taken on my Mac of me accessing the same
    share. You can see the path at the bottom of the window: "Users > Alan > Public-Alan".

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bill Powell on Thu Apr 10 10:15:21 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-10 03:03, Bill Powell wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 09:48:48 -0700, Alan wrote:

    So is your suggested solution, if you gloss arcane SMB sharing setup.
    1. Use SMB

    That you can't do it is obvious by the fact you can't show screenshots.
    Show everyone, with screenshots, that you can push PC files to iOS.

    In two steps.
    We'll wait for you to prove, with screenshots, that you have done it.

    Because nobody else has.

    I just tried it and it works precisely as stated.

    I entered the IP address of my Windows machine; gave it my (local)
    Windows account and password and was instantly connected to the shared
    folders on the Windows box.
    iOS 16.1.1 Files app SMB share read only - Apple Support Communities:
    Another user reporting read-only access after a specific iOS update. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254377889

    Sorry, but it works perfectly for me.


    iPad Pro M2 - SMB share read only - Apple Support Communities: This thread indicates the issue isn't limited to iPhones and affects iPads as well. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254188884

    iOS 17.3.1 - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: Demonstrating that the problem persists across different iOS versions. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255308918

    SMB share on iPhone is read only - Reddit: A straightforward question from
    a user experiencing the issue. https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/y264wv/ smb_share_on_iphone_is_read_only/

    iOS 18 - Shares are "Read Only" - Unraid Forums: This ongoing discussion indicates that since updating to iOS 18, users are experiencing their
    Unraid SMB shares mounting as read-only in the Files app. They discuss various attempts to fix it, including modifying the smb.conf file. https://forums.unraid.net/topic/185586-ios-18-shares-%E2%80%9Cread- only%E2%80%9D/

    Home NAS is Read Only in Files app : r/ios - Reddit: This Reddit thread
    from several months ago details a user experiencing their home NAS becoming read-only in the Files app after an iOS update. Comments suggest this is a known issue and offer potential (though not universally successful) workarounds.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1ahrk3b/ home_nas_is_read_only_in_files_app/

    files/folders on smb server read only since ios 18 - Apple Support Communities: This thread on Apple's own support forums has multiple users reporting that their SMB shares have become read-only in the Files app
    since updating to iOS 18. Users discuss potential fixes and the lack of a consistent solution. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255775451

    Samba shares are readonly on iOS · Issue #3834 · home-assistant/addons - GitHub: This GitHub issue report discusses the Samba share add-on for Home Assistant being mounted as read-only in the iOS Files app. It includes technical details and user troubleshooting attempts. https://github.com/home-assistant/addons/issues/3834

    iOS 17 SMB Read-Only Issue - Apple Support Communities: This thread
    discusses users experiencing their SMB shares becoming read-only after updating to iOS 17. Users share their configurations and troubleshooting steps. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255148858

    iPadOS 16.4 - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: This thread details users encountering read-only access to their SMB shares on iPads after updating to iPadOS 16.4.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254708917

    SMB Share Suddenly Read Only - MacRumors Forums: A discussion on a popular Apple forum where users discuss their SMB shares becoming read-only on iOS and iPadOS, with potential causes and temporary fixes being explored. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/smb-share-suddenly-read-only.2388499/

    iOS 15.4 SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: This thread indicates that the read-only issue has been present in earlier iOS versions as well, suggesting it's not a new problem. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253730707

    iOS 16 Files App - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities: Another thread where users discuss their SMB shares mounting as read-only in the Files app after updating to iOS 16. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254198977

    SMB Share Suddenly Read Only - MacRumors Forums: A discussion on a popular Apple forum where users discuss their SMB shares becoming read-only on iOS and iPadOS. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/smb-share-suddenly-read-only.2388499/

    Files app smb share is read only - Reddit: A user seeking help on why their SMB share is only accessible in read-only mode on their iOS device. https://www.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/t359pd/ files_app_smb_share_is_read_only/

    smb write access not working after updating to iOS 18 - Apple Support Communities: This thread specifically mentions the inability to write to
    SMB shares after updating iOS.
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255767505


    SMB read only !? : r/ios - Reddit: This recent Reddit thread discusses
    users experiencing read-only access to their SMB shares via the Files
    app after updating iOS. https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1hoyqw9/ smb_read_only/

    files/folders on smb server read only since ios 18 - Apple Support Communities: This ongoing discussion indicates that many users are encountering read-only issues with their SMB shares in the Files app
    after updating to iOS 18. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255775451

    Samba SMB shares are read only now in Files on iOS 14.5 - Apple Support Community: This older thread shows that read-only issues with SMB in the Files app have been a recurring problem for a while. https:// discussions.apple.com/thread/252772242

    iOS 16 Files App - SMB Share Read Only - Apple Support Communities:
    Another thread where users report that their SMB shares are mounted as read-only in the Files app after updating to iOS 16. https:// discussions.apple.com/thread/254198977

    Files app smb share is read only - Reddit: A user seeking help on why
    their SMB share is only accessible in read-only mode on their iOS
    device. https://www.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/t359pd/ files_app_smb_share_is_read_only/

    Files App SMB server connection fails and shows "Empty" - Apple Support Communities: This thread discusses issues where users can't connect to
    their SMB servers or see empty folders after connecting. While not
    always about writing, it highlights the general instability of the SMB connection in the Files app. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255360633

    [iOS 17.4 DB2] Unable to View/Access NAS Files on the Apple Files App
    via SMB - Reddit: This Reddit thread reports an inability to even view
    files on a NAS via SMB after an iOS update, indicating fundamental
    connection problems. https://www.reddit.com/r/iOSBeta/comments/1amfj1c/ ios_174_db2_unable_to_viewaccess_nas_files_on_the/

    SMB Server in Files app failed to connect · Issue #171 · checkra1n/ BugTracker - GitHub: While related to jailbreaking, this thread from a
    few years ago also points to fundamental connection issues with the
    Files app and SMB. https://github.com/checkra1n/BugTracker/issues/171

    iOS Files App not connecting to SMB share - Apple Support Communities: A
    user describes the Files app intermittently failing to connect to their
    SMB share, requiring restarts and other troubleshooting steps. https:// discussions.apple.com/thread/254632018

    iPhone Files app can't connect to local SMB share - Reddit: A user
    details their struggles to consistently connect their iPhone to a local
    SMB share using the Files app. https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/ q6788s/iphone_files_app_cant_connect_to_local_smb_share/

    Why is it so f***** hard to transfer files to my iPhone? https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/18qx5fo/ why_is_it_so_f_hard_to_transfer_files_to_my_iphone/?rdt=62942

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  • From Bill Powell@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Apr 10 22:41:15 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 10:15:21 -0700, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but it works perfectly for me.

    Maybe you can sit at your macintosh keyboard to push a file from that PC
    over to the iOS device file system but those sitting on Windows & Linux PCs
    say they can't push their files & folders from their PC keyboards, monitors
    & mice over to their iOS devices.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bill Powell on Thu Apr 10 13:45:49 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-10 13:41, Bill Powell wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 10:15:21 -0700, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but it works perfectly for me.

    Maybe you can sit at your macintosh keyboard to push a file from that PC
    over to the iOS device file system but those sitting on Windows & Linux PCs say they can't push their files & folders from their PC keyboards, monitors
    & mice over to their iOS devices.

    I feel sorry for those who can't follow simple instructions.

    1. Set up a share on your Windows machine (with write permissions
    obviously, duh) and make sure your account (local or Microsoft) has a
    password.

    2. Connect to that share in the Files app of iOS with IP address account
    name and password.

    3. Pull files onto your iOS device or push them TOO your PC.

    Done.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Marion on Fri Apr 11 01:06:01 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 10, 2025 at 5:52:33 AM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 03:24:59 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Once connected, you can copy files in both directions. It is NOT difficult to
    copy files from Windows (or Unix or Linux) to iOS (Unix).

    You were paid by Apple to defend Apple to the death, for years, nospam. You're brazenly fabricating imaginary iOS functionality that doesn't exist.

    The fact you can't supply a screenshot of it working says more than you do. Hell, you can't even *find* a screenshot on the entire Internet showing it.

    Hey Arlen, here is some documentation on the "Imaginary iOS Functionality".

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/d82piq/pro_tip_sharing_between_pc_and_ios_using_smb_and/?rdt=53352

    Lots more available.

    Idiot.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Fri Apr 11 08:48:03 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 01:06:01 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/d82piq/pro_tip_sharing_between_pc_and_ios_using_smb_and/?rdt=53352

    Someone posted dozens of current threads on the fact it doesn't work with
    the newest iOS versions & the best you Apple trolls can find is from 2019?

    It's shockingly common you Apple trolls brazenly lie that you sat at the PC
    to push & pull files to & from iOS like we do all the time with Android.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/DZB9YDcR/copyfiles01.jpg> Copy from Win10 to Android

    And Linux (which, with AFC & iFuse, actually works the best overall!).
    <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios150.jpg> Copy from Win10 to iOS

    What everyone wants to do, & what everyone else can do, the Apple trolls say is
    *not needed* & *not wanted*
    Even though that's how people do it on every other platform but iOS.

    Anyway, we have a solution for all platforms that works the same on all platforms & which works how we all want it to work, which is from the PC.

    *Tutorial: How to send files from the PC to/from any OS over the LAN using LocalSend*
    <https://newsgrouper.org/alt.comp.os.windows-10/189078/0>
    <https://rec.photo.digital.narkive.com/C72eE4gc/tutorial-how-to-send-files-between-windows-ios-over-the-lan-using-localsend>
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86116&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86116>

    Unless you can improve upon that solution, there's no need to continue.
    --
    The best way to visualize Apple's ecosystem is to think of it as a
    subterranean cavern with passageways to itself but few to the real world.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Bill Powell on Fri Apr 11 15:52:04 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-10, Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 10:15:21 -0700, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but it works perfectly for me.

    Maybe you can sit at your macintosh keyboard to push a file from that
    PC over to the iOS device file system but those sitting on Windows &
    Linux PCs say they can't push their files & folders from their PC
    keyboards, monitors & mice over to their iOS devices.

    My fucking god... Those trolls are so fucking ignorant.

    iOS apps that open SMB shares on the iOS device allowing *any* computer
    to connect to the iOS device and transfer files (yes, both ways) have
    existed for *ages* on iOS. Here's one from *13 years ago*:

    <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/owlfiles-file-manager/id510282524?uo=4&at=11l6hc&ct=fnd>

    You people are mental weaklings who know next to nothing about the thing
    you hate so much. Just a bunch of losers spending all of your time
    attacking others due to an irrational hatred. It's just plain pathetic
    behavior for an adult. If you had the necessary self awareness, you'd no
    doubt be ashamed of yourselves.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Mickey D on Fri Apr 11 15:53:13 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-10, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
    On 10 Apr 2025 05:10:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    The unofficial guide to installing iTunes 10 ewithout blah blah blah...

    Not necessary.

    There is no Windows user who is going to install that iTunes

    Nonsense, there are plenty. I've had iTunes installed on my Windows PCs
    for years without issue. Your trolls are weak.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Marion on Fri Apr 11 16:06:36 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-10, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 03:24:59 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Once connected, you can copy files in both directions. It is NOT difficult to
    copy files from Windows (or Unix or Linux) to iOS (Unix).

    You were paid by Apple to defend Apple to the death, for years, nospam.

    LOL... Dude is off his rocker. 🤣

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Fri Apr 11 10:22:24 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-11 01:48, Marion wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 01:06:01 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/d82piq/pro_tip_sharing_between_pc_and_ios_using_smb_and/?rdt=53352

    Someone posted dozens of current threads on the fact it doesn't work with
    the newest iOS versions & the best you Apple trolls can find is from 2019?

    It's shockingly common you Apple trolls brazenly lie that you sat at the PC to push & pull files to & from iOS like we do all the time with Android.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/DZB9YDcR/copyfiles01.jpg> Copy from Win10 to Android
    It's a lie of omission for you to pretend that it matters that you can
    do it while sitting at the PC.

    You realize your phone isn't going to be anywhere but where YOU are...

    ...right?

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  • From Bill Powell@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Apr 11 21:16:04 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 11 Apr 2025 15:52:04 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    Here's one from *13 years ago*:

    My references were current as of today. Many were on iOS 17 & 18 of today. Yours are a decade or more old. From iOS 5. Nobody even has that anymore.

    Show something current on the net indicating it works today in iOS 18.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bill Powell on Fri Apr 11 13:35:53 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-11 12:16, Bill Powell wrote:
    On 11 Apr 2025 15:52:04 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    Here's one from *13 years ago*:

    My references were current as of today. Many were on iOS 17 & 18 of today. Yours are a decade or more old. From iOS 5. Nobody even has that anymore.

    Show something current on the net indicating it works today in iOS 18.

    How about this:

    My iPhone 16 running iOS 18.3.2

    Two files in a folder shared from my Windows PC:

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OP3Gq0SV1__6T4tZj_qP_85_26MNpmw1/view?usp=share_link>

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/11QdLbZ-nLOSP9TR48ULChGKWGn5OpXh3/view?usp=share_link>

    The picture was exported from Photos on the iPhone into that folder and
    the PDF was copied there from iCloud Drive

    And here is the same folder on my Mac:

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zRhpRfGDAVi18uj3Gss6Y0UsFN_11M3Y/view?usp=share_link>

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Fri Apr 11 21:59:15 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-10, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
    On 10 Apr 2025 05:10:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    The unofficial guide to installing iTunes 10 ewithout blah blah blah... >>
    Not necessary.

    There is no Windows user who is going to install that iTunes

    Nonsense, there are plenty. I've had iTunes installed on my Windows PCs
    for years without issue. Your trolls are weak.

    Ditto. I still have and use iTunes. Doesn't Apple Music still install
    iTunes too in WIndows? I am nt touching Apple Music at this time.
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Apr 11 15:50:50 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-11 14:59, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-10, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
    On 10 Apr 2025 05:10:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    The unofficial guide to installing iTunes 10 ewithout blah blah blah... >>>>
    Not necessary.

    There is no Windows user who is going to install that iTunes

    Nonsense, there are plenty. I've had iTunes installed on my Windows PCs
    for years without issue. Your trolls are weak.

    Ditto. I still have and use iTunes. Doesn't Apple Music still install
    iTunes too in WIndows? I am nt touching Apple Music at this time.

    Get with the times.

    iTunes is still available, but no, Apple Music is its own app.

    As is the "Apple Devices" app for controlling...

    ...Apple devices.

    So there is no need for using iTunes if you don't want to.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Marion on Sat Apr 12 00:37:08 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 11, 2025 at 4:48:03 AM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 01:06:01 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/d82piq/pro_tip_sharing_between_pc_and_ios_using_smb_and/?rdt=53352

    Someone posted dozens of current threads on the fact it doesn't work with
    the newest iOS versions & the best you Apple trolls can find is from 2019?

    I am doing it on current versions. YOU are the Apple Troll.

    It's shockingly common you Apple trolls brazenly lie that you sat at the PC to push & pull files to & from iOS like we do all the time with Android.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/DZB9YDcR/copyfiles01.jpg> Copy from Win10 to Android

    Its shockingly common of you to lie, lie, lie. I NEVER said I was doing this while sitting at the PC. I SPECIFICALLY NOTED that you do this from the iPhone/iPad.

    Client/Server. Remember? The Files app "connects to server". That is
    exactly the wording on the connect/login screen.

    Besides, your original claim was that it was "impossible to move a photo from Windows to iOS without using internet servers".

    Which, of course, is total bullshit. The fact is, this has worked for many years. Amazing how you - with all of your "experience" with iOS - know absolutely nothing about it.

    But hey, keep on being a lying, useless kiddie troll. Living in denial of
    facts is what you do best.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 12 00:38:16 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 11, 2025 at 12:06:36 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    On 2025-04-10, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 03:24:59 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Once connected, you can copy files in both directions. It is NOT difficult to
    copy files from Windows (or Unix or Linux) to iOS (Unix).

    You were paid by Apple to defend Apple to the death, for years, nospam.

    LOL... Dude is off his rocker. 🤣

    As always when he is proven wwong. Which is all the time.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to nuh-uh@nope.com on Sat Apr 12 00:47:03 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-11 14:59, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-10, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
    On 10 Apr 2025 05:10:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    The unofficial guide to installing iTunes 10 ewithout blah blah blah... >>>>
    Not necessary.

    There is no Windows user who is going to install that iTunes

    Nonsense, there are plenty. I've had iTunes installed on my Windows PCs
    for years without issue. Your trolls are weak.

    Ditto. I still have and use iTunes. Doesn't Apple Music still install iTunes too in WIndows? I am nt touching Apple Music at this time.

    Get with the times.

    iTunes is still available, but no, Apple Music is its own app.

    As is the "Apple Devices" app for controlling...

    ...Apple devices.

    So there is no need for using iTunes if you don't want to.

    I will when Apple stops updating it and doesn't work with my iDevices
    like iPoad nano 6G, iPhones (6+ and 12 mini), etc. I read that APple
    Music app is awful so I will wait until I am forced. I'm fine with
    iTunes for sync and local back ups.
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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Sat Apr 12 01:18:28 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 00:37:08 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Someone posted dozens of current threads on the fact it doesn't work with
    the newest iOS versions & the best you Apple trolls can find is from 2019?

    I am doing it on current versions. YOU are the Apple Troll.

    Look nospam, you've been lying for decades about everything and you haven't supplied a screenshot of you doing it from the PC without using the cloud.

    Why are you so "technical" & yet you can't figure out how to screenshot?

    You Apple trolls haven't changed in decades. You actually *hate* that what works seamlessly on all other platforms, is, at best, a clusterfuck on iOS.

    On Android, this is all you do:
    1. Sit at the Windows computer & connect the Android via USB
    2. Slide files from Windows to Android

    It's that easy with Android. Yet, that's impossible to do with iOS.
    We have to come up with SMB or LocalSend clusterfucks to get iOS to do something as trivial as copy a file from the Windows PC to the iOS device.

    Oh wait! SMB can't do that from the PC. You lied.

    Luckily LocalSend can do it from the PC.
    1. Sit at the Windows computer & connect any other device via Wi-Fi
    2. Slide files from Windows to that device (after accepting a trust prompt)

    Luckily, there's no need for the SMB clusterfuck with LocalSend around.

    *Tutorial: How to send files from the PC to/from anything over the LAN using LocalSend*
    <https://newsgrouper.org/alt.comp.os.windows-10/189078/0> <https://rec.photo.digital.narkive.com/C72eE4gc/tutorial-how-to-send-files-between-windows-ios-over-the-lan-using-localsend>
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86116&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86116>

    Unless you can improve upon that process, there's nothing more to say.

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  • From Bill Powell@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Apr 12 03:22:09 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 13:35:53 -0700, Alan wrote:

    My iPhone 16 running iOS 18.3.2

    You used iCloud. That's cheating.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Apr 11 18:31:12 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-11 17:47, Ant wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-11 14:59, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-10, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
    On 10 Apr 2025 05:10:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    The unofficial guide to installing iTunes 10 ewithout blah blah blah... >>>>>>
    Not necessary.

    There is no Windows user who is going to install that iTunes

    Nonsense, there are plenty. I've had iTunes installed on my Windows PCs >>>> for years without issue. Your trolls are weak.

    Ditto. I still have and use iTunes. Doesn't Apple Music still install
    iTunes too in WIndows? I am nt touching Apple Music at this time.

    Get with the times.

    iTunes is still available, but no, Apple Music is its own app.

    As is the "Apple Devices" app for controlling...

    ...Apple devices.

    So there is no need for using iTunes if you don't want to.

    I will when Apple stops updating it and doesn't work with my iDevices
    like iPoad nano 6G, iPhones (6+ and 12 mini), etc. I read that APple
    Music app is awful so I will wait until I am forced. I'm fine with
    iTunes for sync and local back ups.

    Hey... ...do whatever makes you happy...

    ...but don't pretend you know what is and is not necessary.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Fri Apr 11 18:30:07 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-11 18:18, Marion wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 00:37:08 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Someone posted dozens of current threads on the fact it doesn't work with >>> the newest iOS versions & the best you Apple trolls can find is from 2019? >>
    I am doing it on current versions. YOU are the Apple Troll.

    Look nospam, you've been lying for decades about everything and you haven't supplied a screenshot of you doing it from the PC without using the cloud.

    Why are you so "technical" & yet you can't figure out how to screenshot?

    You Apple trolls haven't changed in decades. You actually *hate* that what works seamlessly on all other platforms, is, at best, a clusterfuck on iOS.

    On Android, this is all you do:
    1. Sit at the Windows computer & connect the Android via USB
    2. Slide files from Windows to Android

    It's that easy with Android. Yet, that's impossible to do with iOS.
    We have to come up with SMB or LocalSend clusterfucks to get iOS to do something as trivial as copy a file from the Windows PC to the iOS device.

    Oh wait! SMB can't do that from the PC. You lied.

    Luckily LocalSend can do it from the PC.
    1. Sit at the Windows computer & connect any other device via Wi-Fi
    2. Slide files from Windows to that device (after accepting a trust prompt)

    Luckily, there's no need for the SMB clusterfuck with LocalSend around.

    *Tutorial: How to send files from the PC to/from anything over the LAN using LocalSend*
    <https://newsgrouper.org/alt.comp.os.windows-10/189078/0> <https://rec.photo.digital.narkive.com/C72eE4gc/tutorial-how-to-send-files-between-windows-ios-over-the-lan-using-localsend>
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86116&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86116>

    Unless you can improve upon that process, there's nothing more to say.


    "Apple products don't work in the real world so something as trivial as
    copying a photo from Windows to iOS is almost impossible without the net."

    You wrote that, Arlen.

    You were wrong.

    Now be an "adult" and just admit it.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bill Powell on Fri Apr 11 18:28:09 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-11 18:22, Bill Powell wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 13:35:53 -0700, Alan wrote:

    My iPhone 16 running iOS 18.3.2

    You used iCloud. That's cheating.

    No, I did NOT.

    If you want, I'll do the same thing again after I temporarily unplug my router's upstream connection to the internet.

    Nothing I did depended on iCloud.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Bill Powell on Sat Apr 12 12:31:01 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-11 18:22, Bill Powell wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 13:35:53 -0700, Alan wrote:

    My iPhone 16 running iOS 18.3.2

    You used iCloud. That's cheating.

    You apparently need to be spoonfed:

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-xDHFCEJvL9LMM42wWxJGx89nmyH4cFL/view?usp=share_link>

    Note that I choose a file to copy to my Windows PC from the files
    located "On My iPhone"...

    ...not iCloud Drive.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Sat Apr 12 12:33:45 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-11 18:18, Marion wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 00:37:08 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Someone posted dozens of current threads on the fact it doesn't work with >>> the newest iOS versions & the best you Apple trolls can find is from 2019? >>
    I am doing it on current versions. YOU are the Apple Troll.

    Look nospam, you've been lying for decades about everything and you haven't supplied a screenshot of you doing it from the PC without using the cloud.

    Why are you so "technical" & yet you can't figure out how to screenshot?
    How about a screen recording:

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-xDHFCEJvL9LMM42wWxJGx89nmyH4cFL/view?usp=share_link>

    Note that I choose a file to copy to my Windows PC from the files
    located "On My iPhone".

    Just using the standard tools available on Windows and iOS; no
    additional software necessary.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Sat Apr 12 12:35:30 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-10 02:52, Marion wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 03:24:59 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Once connected, you can copy files in both directions. It is NOT difficult to
    copy files from Windows (or Unix or Linux) to iOS (Unix).

    You were paid by Apple to defend Apple to the death, for years, nospam. You're brazenly fabricating imaginary iOS functionality that doesn't exist.

    The fact you can't supply a screenshot of it working says more than you do. Hell, you can't even *find* a screenshot on the entire Internet showing it.

    How about a screen recording:

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-xDHFCEJvL9LMM42wWxJGx89nmyH4cFL/view?usp=share_link>

    Note that I choose a file to copy to my Windows PC from the files
    located "On My iPhone".

    Just using the standard tools available on Windows and iOS; no
    additional software necessary.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Marion on Sat Apr 12 22:17:06 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Apr 11, 2025 at 9:18:28 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 00:37:08 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Someone posted dozens of current threads on the fact it doesn't work with >>> the newest iOS versions & the best you Apple trolls can find is from 2019? >>
    I am doing it on current versions. YOU are the Apple Troll.

    Look nospam, you've been lying for decades about everything and you haven't supplied a screenshot of you doing it from the PC without using the cloud.

    Why are you obsessed with "nospam"? I am not "nospam". And screen shots have already been provided by others.

    Here is an idea. Why don't YOU try it? Can you follow directions?

    Find your Windows PC IP address. There are many ways to do that, surely you don't need directions for that.

    Then share the C drive. Right click the drive, Give Access To, Advanced Sharing, Sharing Tab, Advanced Sharing again. Click Share This Folder. Make sure you give full control under the permissions on that screen.

    You also need an account with a password. You should already have this anyway.
    This does NOT have to be Microsoft account. A local account is fine.

    All of the above only needs to be done once. If you are already networking multiple Windows PCs (as I do here) then all of this is already done. Also
    the above instructions are for Windows 10 Pro. Home I THINK is slightly different. It still works, but I have not used Windows Home versions for many years.

    On one of your "many" iPhones/iPads, connect to your local wifi. The same one that your Windows PC is on. Open the Files app (which you have clearly NEVER used before). Click on the 3 dots in the circle at the top. Low and behold,
    one of the options is Connect To Server. Tap that. Enter the IP address of
    the Windows PC. Connect as Registered User. Enter your login name and
    password.

    Now you will see the Windows C drive on your iPhone/iPad. Navigate to whatever folder you want. Tap a file and hold, the menu will pop up. Choose Copy.
    Then tap On My iPad on the left. That will you take you to your "users" folder on the iPhone/iPad. Here you can create folders for stuff that you download from the internet or from you local network. Tap and hold, tap Paste.

    Congratulations. You now know how SMB networking works.

    From now on, all you need to do is Connect To Server anytime you want to move files. On ANY iOS device.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Sat Apr 12 18:20:23 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    Tyrone wrote:
    On Apr 11, 2025 at 9:18:28 PM EDT, "Marion" <marion@facts.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 00:37:08 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    Someone posted dozens of current threads on the fact it doesn't work with >>>> the newest iOS versions & the best you Apple trolls can find is from 2019? >>>
    I am doing it on current versions. YOU are the Apple Troll.

    Look nospam, you've been lying for decades about everything and you haven't >> supplied a screenshot of you doing it from the PC without using the cloud.

    Why are you obsessed with "nospam"? I am not "nospam". And screen shots have already been provided by others.


    I'm confused too. I thought nospam was long dead, gone, and buried. He
    was their chief evangelist. It sure cut down on the apple checks issued
    from Cupertino I guess. Maybe that's why their stock soared since he died.

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Sun Apr 13 02:52:35 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 22:17:06 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    And screen shots have already been provided by others.

    The best Jolly Roger could find is something from iOS 4 and iOS 5 nospam.
    And the best Alan Baker could do was screenshot AFTER using the iCloud!
    Worse, you can't even screenshot what you claim works from the PC, nospam.

    You also need an account with a password.

    Why should I have to create an account with a password just so that iOS can work, nospam? Even you must realize that's yet another Apple clusterfuck.

    Congratulations. You now know how SMB networking works.

    Your clustefuck ideas don't work from the PC, nospam. The whole goal is to
    sit at your PC and transfer files to your iOS device sitting at your PC.

    You know. Like how the rest of the operating systems transfer files.

    Anyway, we have a solution that works beautifully for all platforms.
    *Tutorial: How to send files between any platform over the LAN using LocalSend*
    <https://newsgrouper.org/alt.comp.os.windows-10/189078/0>
    <https://rec.photo.digital.narkive.com/C72eE4gc/tutorial-how-to-send-files-between-windows-ios-over-the-lan-using-localsend>
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86116&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86116>

    If you can't improve on that solution, there's nothing for you to say.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Sun Apr 13 00:43:47 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-12 19:52, Marion wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 22:17:06 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    And screen shots have already been provided by others.

    The best Jolly Roger could find is something from iOS 4 and iOS 5 nospam.
    And the best Alan Baker could do was screenshot AFTER using the iCloud! Worse, you can't even screenshot what you claim works from the PC, nospam.

    <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-xDHFCEJvL9LMM42wWxJGx89nmyH4cFL/view?usp=share_link>

    Ooops.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Bill Powell on Mon Apr 14 03:35:17 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-11, Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> wrote:
    On 11 Apr 2025 15:52:04 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    Here's one from *13 years ago*:

    My references were current as of today.

    Take your little pissing contest to someone who cares.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Bill Powell on Mon Apr 14 03:36:07 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-12, Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 13:35:53 -0700, Alan wrote:

    My iPhone 16 running iOS 18.3.2

    You used iCloud. That's cheating.

    LOL!

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Apr 14 20:43:58 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-12, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-11 14:59, Ant wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-10, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
    On 10 Apr 2025 05:10:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    The unofficial guide to installing iTunes 10 ewithout blah blah blah...

    Not necessary.

    There is no Windows user who is going to install that iTunes

    Nonsense, there are plenty. I've had iTunes installed on my Windows PCs >> >> for years without issue. Your trolls are weak.

    Ditto. I still have and use iTunes. Doesn't Apple Music still install
    iTunes too in WIndows? I am nt touching Apple Music at this time.

    Get with the times.

    iTunes is still available, but no, Apple Music is its own app.

    As is the "Apple Devices" app for controlling...

    ...Apple devices.

    So there is no need for using iTunes if you don't want to.

    I will when Apple stops updating it and doesn't work with my iDevices
    like iPoad nano 6G, iPhones (6+ and 12 mini), etc. I read that APple
    Music app is awful

    Meh, it's roughly equivalent, but some people just hate change.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Apr 14 20:42:53 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-11, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-10, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
    On 10 Apr 2025 05:10:01 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

    The unofficial guide to installing iTunes 10 ewithout blah blah blah... >> >>
    Not necessary.

    There is no Windows user who is going to install that iTunes

    Nonsense, there are plenty. I've had iTunes installed on my Windows PCs
    for years without issue. Your trolls are weak.

    Ditto. I still have and use iTunes.

    Yes, the trolls desperately want everyone to believe iTunes is a
    monster, but millions of people have been using it for decades without
    issue.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Marion on Mon Apr 14 20:47:01 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-13, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 22:17:06 +0000, Tyrone wrote :

    And screen shots have already been provided by others.

    The best Jolly Roger could find is something from iOS 4

    Liar, that was an example of how long we've been able to do what you
    claim is supposedly impossible.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Marion on Mon Apr 14 20:45:26 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, rec.photo.digital

    On 2025-04-12, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 00:37:08 +0000, Tyrone wrote :

    Someone posted dozens of current threads on the fact it doesn't work with >>> the newest iOS versions & the best you Apple trolls can find is from 2019? >>
    I am doing it on current versions. YOU are the Apple Troll.

    Look nospam,

    nospam is everywhere for this moron. Living in his head 24/7, rent free!
    🤣

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Apr 15 17:32:43 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 14 Apr 2025 20:42:53 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


    Yes, the trolls desperately want everyone to believe iTunes is a
    monster, but millions of people have been using it for decades without
    issue.

    I am always sensibly logical and reasonable, so here's what people need to
    know about the Apple trolls' claims that "iTunes" is the solution here.

    For the people on this ng to know, Apple has deprecated iTunes on all
    *their* operating systems, but left the iTunes broken on Windows.

    However, even when Apple did support iTunes on their own platforms, Apple *removed* the ability to save the IPA many years ago so what Jolly Roger is
    not telling you is that he has never updated his Windows iTunes bloatware.

    Consider what that means given it's well known that horrific zero days have been found (and exploited!) in the Windows iTunes many times since then.

    Hence, the Windows iTunes bloatware abomination is a "not a monster" (to
    use their terms) if, and only if, you completely ignore that Apple doesn't support versions many years old which are known to have zero-day exploits.

    Logic? Sense?
    a. Apple users claim the way to go is to use known-exploited old versions.
    b. Logically sensible people balk at that suggestion, reasonably so.

    And let's not even get into running iTunes on Android & Linux platforms.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 15 10:44:37 2025
    XPost: rec.photo.digital, misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-15 10:32, Marion wrote:
    On 14 Apr 2025 20:42:53 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


    Yes, the trolls desperately want everyone to believe iTunes is a
    monster, but millions of people have been using it for decades without
    issue.

    I am always sensibly logical and reasonable, so here's what people need to know about the Apple trolls' claims that "iTunes" is the solution here.

    Like the "logical and reasonable" comment that a person who uses a PIN
    on his or her phone would only do so because they live in a slum?


    For the people on this ng to know, Apple has deprecated iTunes on all
    *their* operating systems, but left the iTunes broken on Windows.

    Nope. False.

    iTunes still works in Windows, but they have added NEW apps for Windows
    10 and newer:

    'Use the Apple Music app, Apple TV app, and Apple Devices app for Windows

    Instead of iTunes, you can use three dedicated apps designed
    specifically for listening to music, watching content, and managing your
    Apple devices.

    Apple Music app; Apple TV app; Apple Devices app

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