I found the jumplist of all program icons very usefull. These jumplist
were even on those files in the Program folders.

With the latest update to Windows 10, while the jumplist are still on
the program icons on the taskbar, they are no longer available on the
icons in the Start Menu. (Click square on left end of taskbar.)

Have I inadvertently changed something or did MS remove them

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On Sun, 4/13/2025 7:57 AM, knuttle wrote:

I found the jumplist of all program icons very usefull.  These jumplist were even on those files in the Program folders.

With the latest update to Windows 10, while the jumplist are still on the program icons on the taskbar, they are no longer available on the icons in the Start Menu.  (Click square on left end of taskbar.)

Have I inadvertently changed something or did MS remove them

A question for you.

Do you have backups ?

https://www.maketecheasier.com/backup-jump-lists-in-windows/ <=== read this for instructions

"Explorer and navigate to the path:

%APPDATA%\Microsoft\Windows\Recent\AutomaticDestinations

and

%APPDATA%\Microsoft\Windows\Recent\CustomDestinations

5afe4de1b92fc382.customDestinations-ms <=== a library-like identifier
"

Apparently CCleaner can remove those.

Each of those files contains some amount of meta-data.
Might have been first released around 2009 or so.

Paul

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knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

I found the jumplist of all program icons very usefull. These jumplist
were even on those files in the Program folders.

With the latest update to Windows 10, while the jumplist are still on
the program icons on the taskbar, they are no longer available on the
icons in the Start Menu. (Click square on left end of taskbar.)

Have I inadvertently changed something or did MS remove them

There are 2 types of entries in jumplists:
- Tasks
- Recent files
- Pinned

When was your "lastest update to Windows 10"? I have updates disabled
until I get motivated, have the time to save an image backup, the time
to do the updates, and the time to test the updates (and possibly the
time to restore from the image backup to undo an update rather than try
to rollback).

I have "Show recently opened items in Jump Lists on Start or the taskbar
in File Explorer Quick Access" disabled. Do you have it enabled? In
Settings, go to Personalization -> Start.

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On 4/13/2025 5:21 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

I found the jumplist of all program icons very usefull. These jumplist
were even on those files in the Program folders.

With the latest update to Windows 10, while the jumplist are still on
the program icons on the taskbar, they are no longer available on the
icons in the Start Menu. (Click square on left end of taskbar.)

Have I inadvertently changed something or did MS remove them

There are 2 types of entries in jumplists:
- Tasks
- Recent files
- Pinned

When was your "lastest update to Windows 10"? I have updates disabled
until I get motivated, have the time to save an image backup, the time
to do the updates, and the time to test the updates (and possibly the
time to restore from the image backup to undo an update rather than try
to rollback).

I have "Show recently opened items in Jump Lists on Start or the taskbar
in File Explorer Quick Access" disabled. Do you have it enabled? In Settings, go to Personalization -> Start.

I have used jumplist since I upgraded to Windows 8 many years ago. The
jump list were never manually backed up, but were there after every
update. They were there for the Program files and the short cuts to
those program files.

Now the only jumplist are on the shortcuts on the Toolbar.
Interestingly on a different computer that I add all of the updates as available the Shortcuts on the Start Menu are still there. That is
what got me to thinking there was a variable somewhere that had been reset.

It is one of those things that has always "Just been there". They were
they until one of the most recent updates. I believe they went AWOL
about the update that was installed on March 31, 2025

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knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

I found the jumplist of all program icons very usefull. These jumplist
were even on those files in the Program folders.

With the latest update to Windows 10, while the jumplist are still on
the program icons on the taskbar, they are no longer available on the
icons in the Start Menu. (Click square on left end of taskbar.)

Have I inadvertently changed something or did MS remove them

There are 2 types of entries in jumplists:
- Tasks
- Recent files
- Pinned

When was your "lastest update to Windows 10"? I have updates disabled
until I get motivated, have the time to save an image backup, the time
to do the updates, and the time to test the updates (and possibly the
time to restore from the image backup to undo an update rather than try
to rollback).

I have "Show recently opened items in Jump Lists on Start or the taskbar
in File Explorer Quick Access" disabled. Do you have it enabled? In
Settings, go to Personalization -> Start.

I have used jumplist since I upgraded to Windows 8 many years ago. The
jump list were never manually backed up, but were there after every
update. They were there for the Program files and the short cuts to
those program files.

Now the only jumplist are on the shortcuts on the Toolbar.
Interestingly on a different computer that I add all of the updates as available the Shortcuts on the Start Menu are still there. That is
what got me to thinking there was a variable somewhere that had been reset.

It is one of those things that has always "Just been there". They were
they until one of the most recent updates. I believe they went AWOL
about the update that was installed on March 31, 2025

When you right-click on a taskbar icon (not in a toolbar in the taskbar,
but in the taskbar proper), or right-click on a Start Menu icon (in its programs list), do you not get anything? No popup appears when
right-clicking on them? Even if you use something like CCleaner that
will clear jump lists, those are for the Recent lists. The Tasks lists
should still be there, like Standard, Scientific, Graphing, Programmer,
and Date Calulcation under Tasks for Calculator

By "toolbar" did you mean the Windows Taskbar? Toolbars added to the
taskbar don't have jump lists. When you right-click on icons in
toolbars added to the taskbar, you get the context menu you see when you right-click on an .exe in File Explorer's right-pane. For example, if
you had a shortcut for Calculator in a toolbar added to the taskbar, right-clicking on it brings up the same context menu that you see when right-clicking on calc.exe in C:\Windows\System32 in File Explorer. For
icons in the taskbar (for opened or pinned programs), right-click brings
up the jump list. For taskbar icons, you say you still get jump lists.

When right-click on Start menu icons (not talking about icons in the
tile area, but icons in the Start Menu itself), there are no longer any
jump lists? As an example test, right-click on the Calculator entry in
program list of the Start Menu. Nothing pops up?

If you add the Calculator to the tile section of the Start Menu,
right-clicking brings up the same jump list as for Calculator in the
program list of Start Menu.

You say you had jump lists for programs (would that be .exe files?)
listed in File Explorer. I have never had any jump lists there.
Right-clicking on a file in File Explorer always brought up the context
menu assigned to file objects, not a jump list. A modified context menu
is shown in some special folders when right-clicking on a object in
those folders, like using shell:appsfolder (enter in the address bar of
File Explorer) to look at the app links, and right-clicking on those.

In a jump list on a program icon in the taskbar or Start Menu, any
actions listed there were added by the program during its install. If
the "install" were merely copying files, the registry was not updated to
add task entries to a jump list. If it is just the Recent section of
the jump list that is missing, maybe the MRUs (Most Recently Used) lists
in the registry got deleted, like when using a cleanup tool. Or, you configured Windows not to remember recent entries. If it just the the
Recent section of jump lists that disappeared, did you yet check the
Settings -> Personalization -> Start config dialog mentioned before to
make sure the "Show recently opened" option is enabled?

Since the update, and whether it told you or not, have you rebooted your computer to have Windows shutdown and restart? Some users leave their
computer running 24x7 while some shutdown (not hibernate, but shutdown)
when done using their computer. You don't want to hibernate your
computer, but restart it to make sure any pending renames, moves, or
deletes get performed for an update. Updates can leave a fileset for a component out of sync where you are trying to use old files with new
files. The old files get deleted on the Windows restart forcing use of
the new files. That is the purpose of the PendingFileRenameOperations
data item under HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager
key in the registry: on a restart, actions defined there are committed
on a startup of Windows. An entry listed twice is rename, with no
second filename is a delete, and a different path is a move. But the
actions defined in that registry key don't happen until and during a
startup of Windows. Just because Microsoft doesn't tell you to reboot
doesn't mean you shouldn't. Sometimes devs are wrong that a mixed
fileset is okay.

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VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

I found the jumplist of all program icons very usefull. These jumplist >>>> were even on those files in the Program folders.

With the latest update to Windows 10, while the jumplist are still on
the program icons on the taskbar, they are no longer available on the
icons in the Start Menu. (Click square on left end of taskbar.)

Have I inadvertently changed something or did MS remove them

There are 2 types of entries in jumplists:
- Tasks
- Recent files
- Pinned

When was your "lastest update to Windows 10"? I have updates disabled
until I get motivated, have the time to save an image backup, the time
to do the updates, and the time to test the updates (and possibly the
time to restore from the image backup to undo an update rather than try
to rollback).

I have "Show recently opened items in Jump Lists on Start or the taskbar >>> in File Explorer Quick Access" disabled. Do you have it enabled? In
Settings, go to Personalization -> Start.

I have used jumplist since I upgraded to Windows 8 many years ago. The
jump list were never manually backed up, but were there after every
update. They were there for the Program files and the short cuts to
those program files.

Now the only jumplist are on the shortcuts on the Toolbar.
Interestingly on a different computer that I add all of the updates as
available the Shortcuts on the Start Menu are still there. That is
what got me to thinking there was a variable somewhere that had been reset. >>
It is one of those things that has always "Just been there". They were
they until one of the most recent updates. I believe they went AWOL
about the update that was installed on March 31, 2025

When you right-click on a taskbar icon (not in a toolbar in the taskbar,
but in the taskbar proper), or right-click on a Start Menu icon (in its programs list), do you not get anything? No popup appears when right-clicking on them? Even if you use something like CCleaner that
will clear jump lists, those are for the Recent lists. The Tasks lists should still be there, like Standard, Scientific, Graphing, Programmer,
and Date Calulcation under Tasks for Calculator

By "toolbar" did you mean the Windows Taskbar? Toolbars added to the
taskbar don't have jump lists. When you right-click on icons in
toolbars added to the taskbar, you get the context menu you see when you right-click on an .exe in File Explorer's right-pane. For example, if
you had a shortcut for Calculator in a toolbar added to the taskbar, right-clicking on it brings up the same context menu that you see when right-clicking on calc.exe in C:\Windows\System32 in File Explorer. For icons in the taskbar (for opened or pinned programs), right-click brings
up the jump list. For taskbar icons, you say you still get jump lists.

When right-click on Start menu icons (not talking about icons in the
tile area, but icons in the Start Menu itself), there are no longer any
jump lists? As an example test, right-click on the Calculator entry in program list of the Start Menu. Nothing pops up?

If you add the Calculator to the tile section of the Start Menu, right-clicking brings up the same jump list as for Calculator in the
program list of Start Menu.

You say you had jump lists for programs (would that be .exe files?)
listed in File Explorer. I have never had any jump lists there. Right-clicking on a file in File Explorer always brought up the context
menu assigned to file objects, not a jump list. A modified context menu
is shown in some special folders when right-clicking on a object in
those folders, like using shell:appsfolder (enter in the address bar of
File Explorer) to look at the app links, and right-clicking on those.

In a jump list on a program icon in the taskbar or Start Menu, any
actions listed there were added by the program during its install. If
the "install" were merely copying files, the registry was not updated to
add task entries to a jump list. If it is just the Recent section of
the jump list that is missing, maybe the MRUs (Most Recently Used) lists
in the registry got deleted, like when using a cleanup tool. Or, you configured Windows not to remember recent entries. If it just the the
Recent section of jump lists that disappeared, did you yet check the
Settings -> Personalization -> Start config dialog mentioned before to
make sure the "Show recently opened" option is enabled?

Since the update, and whether it told you or not, have you rebooted your computer to have Windows shutdown and restart? Some users leave their computer running 24x7 while some shutdown (not hibernate, but shutdown)
when done using their computer. You don't want to hibernate your
computer, but restart it to make sure any pending renames, moves, or
deletes get performed for an update. Updates can leave a fileset for a component out of sync where you are trying to use old files with new
files. The old files get deleted on the Windows restart forcing use of
the new files. That is the purpose of the PendingFileRenameOperations
data item under HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager
key in the registry: on a restart, actions defined there are committed
on a startup of Windows. An entry listed twice is rename, with no
second filename is a delete, and a different path is a move. But the
actions defined in that registry key don't happen until and during a
startup of Windows. Just because Microsoft doesn't tell you to reboot doesn't mean you shouldn't. Sometimes devs are wrong that a mixed
fileset is okay.

Oh, if it just the Recent portion of jump lists that have disappeared,
and assuming you don't use a cleanup tool that clears recent lists, how
many recent entries are configured in Windows to retain?

In the registry:
- Go to HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced.
- What is the value of the JumpListItems_Maximum data item, if defined.

JumpListItems_Maximum may not be defined, in which case the default of
10 is used, or maybe it is 12.

Tweakers, like WinAero Tweaker, let you change the Recent count instead
of you going into the registry. Here is their article on it:

https://winaero.com/change-the-number-of-items-in-jump-lists-in-windows-10/

They have another article on the "Show recently opened" setting that
I've mentioned:

https://winaero.com/how-to-clear-jump-lists-in-windows-10/

The way you described the problem:
- Nothing appears as a popup when you right-click on an object eligible
for a jump list in the Start Menu.
- Something appears when you right-click on an object's icon in the
Taskbar (not a toolbar in the Taskbar, but the open/pinned icon
section of the Taskbar).
The same jump list should be shown for both.

In the address bar of File Explorer, enter:

shell:recent\AutomaticDestinations
shell:recent\CustomDestinations

Are those folders empty?

You mentioned seeing jump lists in File Explorer, but I don't know where
you are talking about. You mentioned Quick Access, and that sounds like
the Quick Access *toolbar* added to the Windows Taskbar (used to be the
called QuickLaunch toolbar).

https://filestore.community.support.microsoft.com/api/images/ec9e94e8-bb67-47ef-8396-dac5545c59d4?upload=true&fud_access=wJJIheezUklbAN2ppeDns8cDNpYs3nCYjgitr%2BfFBh2dqlqMuW7np3F6Utp%2FKMltnRRYFtVjOMO5tpbpW9UyRAwvLeec5emAPixgq9ta07Dgnp2aq5eJbnfd%
2FU3qhn54RhIhZB7897F1qdjKFgM%2B4QpyWh%2B9emXgCmwkEi92%2Bp9TbjHntSPU16cqLCyIwkRUFmWoq1CWgwJTAEngucqPq7WuankcrTlK%2FT6crITmqJwOTVXZ9I%2BmJhFWSqymA5RFrkcHQslaVgVupnOfBfcxz7Vqxsulg%2BUfph1d3oxGPbWFUkC1V4H6ASnmwqt3al0kslMQhYOIfLH39F05EcEax56o%2Fa6qdHH%
2BiCZKp0TZaTziBvDZwqYTyaUDlOqvK18MZX%2Bp19MN2hDJimTXBtD63WFpO%2Fk9t5XVXPFl3pjUpx4%3D

Toolbars added to the taskbar get the same right-click *context* menu as
when right-clicking on any file in File Explorer. Right-click on blank
space in the Taskbar. What is listed under Toolbars?

The Quick Access *Toolbar* in File Explorer (at the left-side of the
title bar) is a separate animal. Use the View tab to show the Options
icon to click on it. In the Folder Options dialog under the General tab
and under its Privacy section, is "Show recently used" for files and
"Show frequently" for folders enabled or not? Those are MRUs (Most
Recently Used) history lists, not jump lists, yet it sounded like you
thought they were jump lists. Tweakers can clear that recent history.
Those options won't stay enabled if you don't have the "Show recently
opened items" option set for the Start Menu already mentioned.

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On 4/14/2025 7:15 AM, VanguardLH wrote:

knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

I found the jumplist of all program icons very usefull. These jumplist >>>> were even on those files in the Program folders.

With the latest update to Windows 10, while the jumplist are still on
the program icons on the taskbar, they are no longer available on the
icons in the Start Menu. (Click square on left end of taskbar.)

Have I inadvertently changed something or did MS remove them

There are 2 types of entries in jumplists:
- Tasks
- Recent files
- Pinned

When was your "lastest update to Windows 10"? I have updates disabled
until I get motivated, have the time to save an image backup, the time
to do the updates, and the time to test the updates (and possibly the
time to restore from the image backup to undo an update rather than try
to rollback).

I have "Show recently opened items in Jump Lists on Start or the taskbar >>> in File Explorer Quick Access" disabled. Do you have it enabled? In
Settings, go to Personalization -> Start.

I have used jumplist since I upgraded to Windows 8 many years ago. The
jump list were never manually backed up, but were there after every
update. They were there for the Program files and the short cuts to
those program files.

Now the only jumplist are on the shortcuts on the Toolbar.
Interestingly on a different computer that I add all of the updates as
available the Shortcuts on the Start Menu are still there. That is
what got me to thinking there was a variable somewhere that had been reset. >>
It is one of those things that has always "Just been there". They were
they until one of the most recent updates. I believe they went AWOL
about the update that was installed on March 31, 2025

When you right-click on a taskbar icon (not in a toolbar in the taskbar,
but in the taskbar proper), or right-click on a Start Menu icon (in its programs list), do you not get anything? No popup appears when right-clicking on them? Even if you use something like CCleaner that
will clear jump lists, those are for the Recent lists. The Tasks lists should still be there, like Standard, Scientific, Graphing, Programmer,
and Date Calulcation under Tasks for Calculator

By "toolbar" did you mean the Windows Taskbar? Toolbars added to the
taskbar don't have jump lists. When you right-click on icons in
toolbars added to the taskbar, you get the context menu you see when you right-click on an .exe in File Explorer's right-pane. For example, if
you had a shortcut for Calculator in a toolbar added to the taskbar, right-clicking on it brings up the same context menu that you see when right-clicking on calc.exe in C:\Windows\System32 in File Explorer. For icons in the taskbar (for opened or pinned programs), right-click brings
up the jump list. For taskbar icons, you say you still get jump lists.

When right-click on Start menu icons (not talking about icons in the
tile area, but icons in the Start Menu itself), there are no longer any
jump lists? As an example test, right-click on the Calculator entry in program list of the Start Menu. Nothing pops up?

If you add the Calculator to the tile section of the Start Menu, right-clicking brings up the same jump list as for Calculator in the
program list of Start Menu.

You say you had jump lists for programs (would that be .exe files?)
listed in File Explorer. I have never had any jump lists there. Right-clicking on a file in File Explorer always brought up the context
menu assigned to file objects, not a jump list. A modified context menu
is shown in some special folders when right-clicking on a object in
those folders, like using shell:appsfolder (enter in the address bar of
File Explorer) to look at the app links, and right-clicking on those.

In a jump list on a program icon in the taskbar or Start Menu, any
actions listed there were added by the program during its install. If
the "install" were merely copying files, the registry was not updated to
add task entries to a jump list. If it is just the Recent section of
the jump list that is missing, maybe the MRUs (Most Recently Used) lists
in the registry got deleted, like when using a cleanup tool. Or, you configured Windows not to remember recent entries. If it just the the
Recent section of jump lists that disappeared, did you yet check the
Settings -> Personalization -> Start config dialog mentioned before to
make sure the "Show recently opened" option is enabled?

Since the update, and whether it told you or not, have you rebooted your computer to have Windows shutdown and restart? Some users leave their computer running 24x7 while some shutdown (not hibernate, but shutdown)
when done using their computer. You don't want to hibernate your
computer, but restart it to make sure any pending renames, moves, or
deletes get performed for an update. Updates can leave a fileset for a component out of sync where you are trying to use old files with new
files. The old files get deleted on the Windows restart forcing use of
the new files. That is the purpose of the PendingFileRenameOperations
data item under HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager
key in the registry: on a restart, actions defined there are committed
on a startup of Windows. An entry listed twice is rename, with no
second filename is a delete, and a different path is a move. But the
actions defined in that registry key don't happen until and during a
startup of Windows. Just because Microsoft doesn't tell you to reboot doesn't mean you shouldn't. Sometimes devs are wrong that a mixed
fileset is okay.

After posting I realized the update may have messed something up in the installation. When I clear the jumplist by turning them off in the Personalization / Start/ Jumplist. They are not cleared. Since this
computer is 8 years old and is being replace anytime now, I am not going
to troubleshoot it.

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knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

After posting I realized the update may have messed something up in the installation. When I clear the jumplist by turning them off in the Personalization / Start/ Jumplist. They are not cleared. Since this computer is 8 years old and is being replace anytime now, I am not going
to troubleshoot it.

I would try running dism and sfc (system file checker), but after
rebooting the computer. If your OS drive is a spinner, I would also run "chkdsk c: /r" to make sure all its sectors can be reliably accessed.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-the-system-file-checker-tool-to-repair-missing-or-corrupted-system-files-79aa86cb-ca52-166a-92a3-966e85d4094e

You could check if you can rollback the Windows update. Or, if you
scheduled image backups (manual backups means they don't get done), you
could restore your drive(s) to a prior state before the update. Lastly,
you could copy all your data files off the drive(s), and do a fresh
install of Windows 10 to step on all the crap that has polluted it over
the years, do all the Windows updates (I would suggest one at a time,
not a whole slew at once), and then install your software followed by
restoring your data.

I try to build for an 8-year lifecycle; however, Microsoft isn't coming
out with Windows 12 this fall, and is instead pushing another big
Windows 11 update. "The Year of the Windows 11 PC Refresh." I dislike
Windows 11, so will stick with Windows 10 regardless of it losing
support this October. Dropped support doesn't stop the computer from
working. If I don't like Window 12, I'm switching to Linux Mint. Most
of what I use on Windows has counterparts on Linux.

If Microsoft ends security updates in Oct 2025 for Windows 10, I'll have
to find a 3rd-party anti-malware program should Windows Defender not get updated.

https://www.pcmag.com/articles/what-to-expect-in-windows-12-leaks-rumors-and-more
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/microsoft-says-2025-is-year-windows-11-pc-refresh

I have tended to skip versions of Windows. Microsoft seems to go
through good-bad-good-bad cycles, like:

Windows XP - good
Windows Vista - bad
Windows 7 - good
Windows 8 - bad
Windows 10 - good
Windows 11 - bad
Windows 12 - who knows

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