• Re: Tutorial: How to copy ANY files, both directions between Windows an

    From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Sun Apr 13 19:02:02 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Tyrone wrote:
    This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All of this functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).

    First, to avoid ANY confusion. This method does all of the copying to/from Windows on the iOS device. Which makes sense. Windows is the server. iOS is the client. Not to mention that when I want a file on my phone that is currently only on my PC, it makes no sense to go to the PC and send it to the phone. Why not just get it on the phone directly? My Windows PC is not with me
    wherever I am in the house. That's what networks are for.

    Also, when you are at work and need a file from the company servers, you don't
    go to the server and push the file down to your PC. You connect to the server and get the file, from your PC. Which is exactly what we will do here.

    Anyways. Find your Windows IP address. There are many ways to do that, surely you don't need directions for that.

    On Windows, share the C (or whatever) drive. Right click the drive, Give Access To, Advanced Sharing, Sharing Tab, Advanced Sharing again. Click Share This Folder. Make sure you give full control under the Permissions on that screen, if you want to be able to create/edit/delete files on Windows from your iPhone/iPad. If all you want to do is copy files from Windows to iOS (one direction only), then the default Read Permission is fine. You can also set the maximum number of simultaneous users here.

    You also need an account with a password on Windows. You should already have this anyway. This does NOT have to be Microsoft account. A local account is fine. Name can be Files and password can be anything you want.

    The above only needs to be done once. If you are already networking multiple Windows/Macs/whatever (as I do here) then all of this is already done. Also the above instructions are for Windows 10 Pro. Windows Home I THINK is slightly different. It still works, but I have not used any Windows Home versions for many years.

    On any iPhone/iPad with at least iOS 13, connect to your local wifi. The same one that your Windows PC is on. Open the Files app. Click on the 3 dots in the
    circle at the top. One of the options is Connect To Server. Tap that. Enter the IP address of the Windows PC. Connect as Registered User. Enter your login
    name and password.

    Now you will see the Windows C (or whatever) drive on your iPhone/iPad. Navigate to whatever folder you want. Tap a file and hold, the menu will pop up. Choose Copy. Then tap On My iPad on the left for an iPad. For an iPhone, return to the main Browse screen and tap On My iPhone. That will you take you to your "users" folder on the iPhone/iPad. Here you can create folders for stuff that you download from the internet or from your local network. Tap and hold, tap Paste.

    Done and done. Easy, nothing to install. Copying from iOS to Windows is just as easy. Copy from On My iPhone/iPad and paste to whatever folder on the Windows drive.

    Now that the server part is setup on Windows, all you need to do is Connect To
    Server anytime you want to move files. On ANY iOS device that is on the same network as the Windows PC in question.

    Note that this is all standard SMB networking stuff. SMB networking is how Windows/Linux/Unix share files/folders with each other on a network. You share
    the (drive/folder/whatever) on one and connect to that share on as many others
    as needed. Offices using Windows use this exact same method for users to connect to company Windows file servers.

    Also note that you can share any folder(s) individually, instead of sharing the entire drive. You could share only your Windows User folder, for example.
    Or you could share a different data drive. I have 4 drives shared here: C, D,
    E and F. I have MANY years of photos, PDFs, music and video files, etc. You are in complete control of this.

    But for me, sharing the entire drive is just easier. Because you don't have to
    worry about saving/moving things on Windows to a "special folder" to make them
    available on the network. Besides, you have to login via the Files app (or on another Windows box, etc.) to see anything. So there is security.

    The only issue you might see is that your IP address of the Windows box might change after some number of days. Some wifi routers change IP addresses at what seems to be random times. Mine here do not (Netgear). IP addresses are based on the MAC addresses of each device. But there are easy ways to fix that issue.

    I do this all the time using iOS 17.7.2 and 18.4. I also have an iPhone 8 Plus
    with 16.7.10. Works fine there too. I have also tested Windows 7, 8.1, 11 and Server 2012 R2. All work fine, because they all use the same SMB networking method. I have been doing this for around 4 (5?) years, which was when I first learned of this. I was playing with the Files app and stumbled upon the "Connect To Server" option.

    Before that I was emailing things to myself. That of course works, but there are file size limits to email attachments. Using the SMB method here, you can
    copy entire folders back and forth. Only limitation is the amount of storage you have on Windows and iOS.


    And you have to repeat all this shit every time DHCP issues a different
    IP address to your windows computer.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Apr 13 19:40:03 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    badgolferman wrote:
    Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:.


    And you have to repeat all this shit every time DHCP issues a different
    IP address to your windows computer.





    That seldom happens, but you can always reserve that IP address for your PC in your home router.


    It's only seldom if you have only 1 or two devices and never reboot them.

    It happens fairly often if you have several devices connecting at
    different times.

    Yes, you can switch to using static IPs, but it's also a hassle, and
    other disadvantages.

    I have a network drive which always has the same IP and it is a good
    solution, but doesn't work with apple's "files" app. Files sets the
    drive as read only. It's been this way for a long time, so I doubt apple
    will ever fix it. I found another app which DOES work, but there's no
    way to get the native files crapp to write anything to the drive.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon Apr 14 14:06:25 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-13 23:42:57 +0000, Tyrone said:

    This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All of this functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).

    Even easier, and requires no extra software and no network, although
    might require extra hardware: simply use an external USB drive of some
    sort (many people already have USB thumb drives laying around),
    formatted for Windows. For an older iPad or iPhone, you'll need a USB
    <-> Lightning adaptor or one of those USB thumb drives with both
    Lightning and USB plugs.

    If you want to go really old skool, you could even use an external USB
    floppy disk drive. :-)




    First, to avoid ANY confusion. This method does all of the copying to/from Windows on the iOS device. Which makes sense. Windows is the server. iOS is the client. Not to mention that when I want a file on my phone that is currently only on my PC, it makes no sense to go to the PC and send it to the phone. Why not just get it on the phone directly? My Windows PC is not with me
    wherever I am in the house. That's what networks are for.

    Also, when you are at work and need a file from the company servers, you don't
    go to the server and push the file down to your PC. You connect to the server and get the file, from your PC. Which is exactly what we will do here.

    Anyways. Find your Windows IP address. There are many ways to do that, surely you don't need directions for that.

    On Windows, share the C (or whatever) drive. Right click the drive, Give Access To, Advanced Sharing, Sharing Tab, Advanced Sharing again. Click Share This Folder. Make sure you give full control under the Permissions on that screen, if you want to be able to create/edit/delete files on Windows from your iPhone/iPad. If all you want to do is copy files from Windows to iOS (one direction only), then the default Read Permission is fine. You can also set the maximum number of simultaneous users here.

    You also need an account with a password on Windows. You should already have this anyway. This does NOT have to be Microsoft account. A local account is fine. Name can be Files and password can be anything you want.

    The above only needs to be done once. If you are already networking multiple Windows/Macs/whatever (as I do here) then all of this is already done. Also the above instructions are for Windows 10 Pro. Windows Home I THINK is slightly different. It still works, but I have not used any Windows Home versions for many years.

    On any iPhone/iPad with at least iOS 13, connect to your local wifi. The same one that your Windows PC is on. Open the Files app. Click on the 3 dots in the
    circle at the top. One of the options is Connect To Server. Tap that. Enter the IP address of the Windows PC. Connect as Registered User. Enter your login
    name and password.

    Now you will see the Windows C (or whatever) drive on your iPhone/iPad. Navigate to whatever folder you want. Tap a file and hold, the menu will pop up. Choose Copy. Then tap On My iPad on the left for an iPad. For an iPhone, return to the main Browse screen and tap On My iPhone. That will you take you to your "users" folder on the iPhone/iPad. Here you can create folders for stuff that you download from the internet or from your local network. Tap and hold, tap Paste.

    Done and done. Easy, nothing to install. Copying from iOS to Windows is just as easy. Copy from On My iPhone/iPad and paste to whatever folder on the Windows drive.

    Now that the server part is setup on Windows, all you need to do is Connect To
    Server anytime you want to move files. On ANY iOS device that is on the same network as the Windows PC in question.

    Note that this is all standard SMB networking stuff. SMB networking is how Windows/Linux/Unix share files/folders with each other on a network. You share
    the (drive/folder/whatever) on one and connect to that share on as many others
    as needed. Offices using Windows use this exact same method for users to connect to company Windows file servers.

    Also note that you can share any folder(s) individually, instead of sharing the entire drive. You could share only your Windows User folder, for example.
    Or you could share a different data drive. I have 4 drives shared here: C, D,
    E and F. I have MANY years of photos, PDFs, music and video files, etc. You are in complete control of this.

    But for me, sharing the entire drive is just easier. Because you don't have to
    worry about saving/moving things on Windows to a "special folder" to make them
    available on the network. Besides, you have to login via the Files app (or on another Windows box, etc.) to see anything. So there is security.

    The only issue you might see is that your IP address of the Windows box might change after some number of days. Some wifi routers change IP addresses at what seems to be random times. Mine here do not (Netgear). IP addresses are based on the MAC addresses of each device. But there are easy ways to fix that issue.

    I do this all the time using iOS 17.7.2 and 18.4. I also have an iPhone 8 Plus
    with 16.7.10. Works fine there too. I have also tested Windows 7, 8.1, 11 and Server 2012 R2. All work fine, because they all use the same SMB networking method. I have been doing this for around 4 (5?) years, which was when I first learned of this. I was playing with the Files app and stumbled upon the "Connect To Server" option.

    Before that I was emailing things to myself. That of course works, but there are file size limits to email attachments. Using the SMB method here, you can
    copy entire folders back and forth. Only limitation is the amount of storage you have on Windows and iOS.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sun Apr 13 21:18:23 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-04-13 23:42:57 +0000, Tyrone said:

    This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All
    of this
    functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).

    Even easier, and requires no extra software and no network, although
    might require extra hardware: simply use an external USB drive of some
    sort (many people already have USB thumb drives laying around),
    formatted for Windows. For an older iPad or iPhone, you'll need a USB
    <-> Lightning adaptor or one of those USB thumb drives with both
    Lightning and USB plugs.

    If you want to go really old skool, you could even use an external USB
    floppy disk drive.  :-)


    And for text files, you could go really, really old skool and just write
    the info on a piece of paper, then enter it on the destination machine.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sun Apr 13 23:49:43 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Sun, 4/13/2025 8:40 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:
    Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:.


    And you have to repeat all this shit every time DHCP issues a different
    IP address to your windows computer.





    That seldom happens, but you can always reserve that IP address for your PC >> in your home router.


    It's only seldom if you have only 1 or two devices and never reboot them.

    It happens fairly often if you have several devices connecting at different times.

    Yes, you can switch to using static IPs, but it's also a hassle, and other disadvantages.

    I have a network drive which always has the same IP and it is a good solution, but doesn't work with apple's "files" app. Files sets the drive as read only. It's been this way for a long time, so I doubt apple will ever fix it. I found another app
    which DOES work, but there's no way to get the native files crapp to write anything to the drive.


    Why are you using IPs again ?

    On Linux/Win I can use the name of my computer, which is Wallace.

    smb://wallace/shared

    I'm not forced to use

    smb://192.168.1.3/shared

    There was a time, some years ago, when the nameserver situation
    wasn't working quite as well, and using IPs was less work, than
    testing names.

    And most likely, the Apple device uses SMB2 or SMB3, rather than
    the SMBV1 of WinXP era. This means there is a potential for your
    Apple device, to not be able to reach an older NAS. On Windows 10/11,
    there is an option to switch SMBV1 back on. And that's how
    a person would deal with an older NAS they wanted to continue
    using (between Windows and the NAS).

    Paul

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon Apr 14 07:20:30 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 14.04.25 01:42, Tyrone wrote:
    This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All of this functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).


    Utter nonsense. Dysfunctional and ways too complicated.

    iCloud exists and is the safest and most elegant way to transfer data
    between iOS und Windows/Linux devices.

    The next easiest way is to use the LAN. I use it quite often.

    Less elegant: An external USB device (stick or HD) but most secure way
    for this purpose.


    --
    "Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon Apr 14 06:24:18 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 23:42:57 +0000, Tyrone wrote :


    This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All of this functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).

    Heh heh heh...
    I laughed when I saw this, as I thought it was repartee done apropos.

    I'm beginning to think Tyrone isn't nospam, as I doubt nospam could come up with any suggestion that actually stood any chance of actually working.

    Let's compare the 2 tutorials the way the Apple trolls compare everything.

    Tutorial: How to send files between platforms using SMB
    Words: 765
    Characters: 4,507 (This count includes spaces and punctuation)
    Paragraphs: 20

    Tutorial: How to send files between platforms using LocalSend
    Words: 407
    Characters: 2,335 (including spaces and punctuation)
    Paragraphs: 27

    Using the method all the Apple trolls have used for decades to assess the complexity of a subject, my tutorial, at 407 words, is ~50% less complex.
    :)

    First, to avoid ANY confusion. This method does all of the copying to/from Windows on the iOS device.

    Since I'm always sensible and reasonable, I don't disagree at all with the method that Tyrone is espousing. (What I had disagreed with were the lies.)

    You also need an account with a password on Windows. You should already have this anyway. This does NOT have to be Microsoft account. A local account is fine. Name can be Files and password can be anything you want.

    The SMB method won't work for me (simply because I don't live in the
    slums), but it will work for people who have a password on their account.

    Done and done. Easy, nothing to install. Copying from iOS to Windows is just as easy. Copy from On My iPhone/iPad and paste to whatever folder on the Windows drive.

    Your tutorial is nice but the users here need to know that images and
    videos (in the iOS DCIM directory) are handled differently than most files.

    It's just a few more steps to get other formats into "Files", which is documented over here in a Tutorial that is still about 50% less complex by
    the measure that Apple trolls have used for decades to assess complexity.
    <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=86405&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#86405>

    Apple troll complexity score:
    Words: 414
    Characters: 2,470 (including spaces and punctuation)
    Paragraphs: 31

    Note that this is all standard SMB networking stuff. SMB networking is how Windows/Linux/Unix share files/folders with each other on a network.

    Decades ago, I set up CAPS (for the mac), CIFs/SMB (for Windows) and Samba
    (for SunOS & Solaris) to get the marketing & engineering teams to share
    docs. This was before "the web" existed as a thing in corporate worlds.

    The Apple resource fork and data fork aside, I was able to do it so I'm
    well aware of SMB networking. I agree it works for a lot of people even
    today (although the Apple trolls always claim Apple has to be courageous to remove stuff that works - like the aux jack - simply because it works).

    Is Columbia AppleTalk Protocol still a thing?

    Also note that you can share any folder(s) individually, instead of sharing the entire drive. You could share only your Windows User folder, for example.
    Or you could share a different data drive. I have 4 drives shared here: C, D,
    E and F. I have MANY years of photos, PDFs, music and video files, etc. You are in complete control of this.

    The sandbox. iOS has that sandbox. Don't forget the iOS sandbox Tyrone.

    I do this all the time using iOS 17.7.2 and 18.4. I also have an iPhone 8 Plus
    with 16.7.10. Works fine there too. I have also tested Windows 7, 8.1, 11 and Server 2012 R2.

    Since I'm always sensibly logical, I agree with you that SMB can work for
    many people under many circumstances, and has worked for decades, Tyrone.

    Both methods have their advantages and disadvantages (e.g., LocalSend is
    used by, I think it was Elijah, for Android-to-Android, while wasbit used
    it because his Windows version was old - as I recall).

    Me?

    I'll use it because I don't have a password on my Windows box (because I
    don't live in the slums, that's why); but I recognize most people do.

    Thanks for adding value to this newsgroup. Much appreciated.
    --
    Thank God you didn't suggest that iTunes which Jolly Roger insisted we use.

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Mon Apr 14 11:46:24 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 14/04/2025 00:42, Tyrone wrote:
    This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All of this functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).

    First, to avoid ANY confusion. This method does all of the copying to/from Windows on the iOS device. Which makes sense. Windows is the server. iOS is the client. Not to mention that when I want a file on my phone that is currently only on my PC, it makes no sense to go to the PC and send it to the phone. Why not just get it on the phone directly? My Windows PC is not with me
    wherever I am in the house. That's what networks are for.

    Also, when you are at work and need a file from the company servers, you don't
    go to the server and push the file down to your PC. You connect to the server and get the file, from your PC. Which is exactly what we will do here.

    Anyways. Find your Windows IP address. There are many ways to do that, surely you don't need directions for that.

    On Windows, share the C (or whatever) drive. Right click the drive, Give Access To, Advanced Sharing, Sharing Tab, Advanced Sharing again. Click Share This Folder. Make sure you give full control under the Permissions on that screen, if you want to be able to create/edit/delete files on Windows from your iPhone/iPad. If all you want to do is copy files from Windows to iOS (one direction only), then the default Read Permission is fine. You can also set the maximum number of simultaneous users here.

    You also need an account with a password on Windows. You should already have this anyway. This does NOT have to be Microsoft account. A local account is fine. Name can be Files and password can be anything you want.

    The above only needs to be done once. If you are already networking multiple Windows/Macs/whatever (as I do here) then all of this is already done. Also the above instructions are for Windows 10 Pro. Windows Home I THINK is slightly different. It still works, but I have not used any Windows Home versions for many years.

    On any iPhone/iPad with at least iOS 13, connect to your local wifi. The same one that your Windows PC is on. Open the Files app. Click on the 3 dots in the
    circle at the top. One of the options is Connect To Server. Tap that. Enter the IP address of the Windows PC. Connect as Registered User. Enter your login
    name and password.

    Now you will see the Windows C (or whatever) drive on your iPhone/iPad. Navigate to whatever folder you want. Tap a file and hold, the menu will pop up. Choose Copy. Then tap On My iPad on the left for an iPad. For an iPhone, return to the main Browse screen and tap On My iPhone. That will you take you to your "users" folder on the iPhone/iPad. Here you can create folders for stuff that you download from the internet or from your local network. Tap and hold, tap Paste.

    Done and done. Easy, nothing to install. Copying from iOS to Windows is just as easy. Copy from On My iPhone/iPad and paste to whatever folder on the Windows drive.

    Now that the server part is setup on Windows, all you need to do is Connect To
    Server anytime you want to move files. On ANY iOS device that is on the same network as the Windows PC in question.

    Note that this is all standard SMB networking stuff. SMB networking is how Windows/Linux/Unix share files/folders with each other on a network. You share
    the (drive/folder/whatever) on one and connect to that share on as many others
    as needed. Offices using Windows use this exact same method for users to connect to company Windows file servers.

    Also note that you can share any folder(s) individually, instead of sharing the entire drive. You could share only your Windows User folder, for example.
    Or you could share a different data drive. I have 4 drives shared here: C, D,
    E and F. I have MANY years of photos, PDFs, music and video files, etc. You are in complete control of this.

    But for me, sharing the entire drive is just easier. Because you don't have to
    worry about saving/moving things on Windows to a "special folder" to make them
    available on the network. Besides, you have to login via the Files app (or on another Windows box, etc.) to see anything. So there is security.

    The only issue you might see is that your IP address of the Windows box might change after some number of days. Some wifi routers change IP addresses at what seems to be random times. Mine here do not (Netgear). IP addresses are based on the MAC addresses of each device. But there are easy ways to fix that issue.

    I do this all the time using iOS 17.7.2 and 18.4. I also have an iPhone 8 Plus
    with 16.7.10. Works fine there too. I have also tested Windows 7, 8.1, 11 and Server 2012 R2. All work fine, because they all use the same SMB networking method. I have been doing this for around 4 (5?) years, which was when I first learned of this. I was playing with the Files app and stumbled upon the "Connect To Server" option.

    Before that I was emailing things to myself. That of course works, but there are file size limits to email attachments. Using the SMB method here, you can
    copy entire folders back and forth. Only limitation is the amount of storage you have on Windows and iOS.


    Thanks.
    I connected up my Windows 10 PC, added a password to the local user
    account, shared a folder then followed your instructions & I can see the Windows files on an Iphone 7 that I've been lent.

    In addition the Windows 10 PC can also read & write to the shared files
    on my Windows 8.1 rig but not vice versa as I log in without a password.
    This is something that hasn't happened for some years.

    The W10 files are read only on the iphone so I can't do anything other
    than read them.

    I am a complete novice with phones. Basic things like what an icon
    means, finding a backslash or closing a browser tab can take hours.

    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Apr 14 12:23:00 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 10:09:56 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    I'm beginning to think Tyrone isn't nospam, as I doubt nospam could
    come up with any suggestion that actually stood any chance of
    actually working.

    I don't remember nospam ever writing anything more than a paragraph or
    two. He certainly wouldn't have written out this tutorial and would
    instead have provided a link to an Apple document.

    I have to agree with you on that badgolferman, as nospam, being a classic
    Apple troll, was never purposefully helpful, as his only intent, as with
    all the Apple trolls, was simply to defend Apple's honor, to the death.

    Tyrone is defending Apple's honor to the death also, but at least he wrote
    up the SMB steps, and, make note, nospam never used modern iOS equipment.

    The good news, for everyone, is when we subtract the brazen lies by the
    Apple trolls, we have two methods to get the files onto an iOS device.

    And that's good.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Apr 14 14:54:32 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:

    badgolferman wrote:
    Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:.


    And you have to repeat all this shit every time DHCP issues a
    different IP address to your windows computer.





    That seldom happens, but you can always reserve that IP address for
    your PC in your home router.


    It's only seldom if you have only 1 or two devices and never reboot
    them.

    It happens fairly often if you have several devices connecting at
    different times.

    Yes, you can switch to using static IPs, but it's also a hassle, and
    other disadvantages.

    I have a network drive which always has the same IP and it is a good
    solution, but doesn't work with apple's "files" app. Files sets the
    drive as read only. It's been this way for a long time, so I doubt
    apple will ever fix it. I found another app which DOES work, but
    there's no way to get the native files crapp to write anything to the
    drive.

    Files app sets the network drive as read-only?
    Yes. Many people have reported this and for several versions of
    ios/ipados.

    Is this network drive
    external to the Apple device... or are you saying Files app sets the
    Apple device as read-only and you can't write to your phone?

    The drive is a samsung 500 gb hard disk attached to a netgear routers’s
    USB port. It works perfectly with several windows machines on my network
    but not with iPhones or ipads

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  • From Graham J@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Mon Apr 14 17:23:25 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Hank Rogers wrote:
    [snip]

    The drive is a samsung 500 gb hard disk attached to a netgear router’s
    USB port. It works perfectly with several windows machines on my network
    but not with iPhones or iPads.

    I've seen very variable performance when connecting a disk to a router's
    USB port - any router, not necessarily Netgear. Sometimes they don't
    work at all, other times they might be read-only. I suspect the
    router's implementation of the necessary protocols is inadequate.

    Please can you try a real NAS connected to your network.


    --
    Graham J

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to hugybear@gmx.net on Mon Apr 14 18:30:56 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Apr 14, 2025 at 1:20:30 AM EDT, "Jörg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

    On 14.04.25 01:42, Tyrone wrote:
    This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All of this
    functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).


    Utter nonsense. Dysfunctional and ways too complicated.

    No. It works just fine. No more difficult than networking 2 Windows PCs.

    iCloud exists and is the safest and most elegant way to transfer data
    between iOS und Windows/Linux devices.

    Yes, I do that too. All of my iPhone pictures are automatically downloaded to my Windows PC. The whole point of this is to copy ANY file locally.

    The next easiest way is to use the LAN. I use it quite often.

    Um, this IS using the LAN. Local Area Network. This is standard networking.
    You use the same method when networking 2 Windows PCs. Or Windows and a Mac. Etc.

    Less elegant: An external USB device (stick or HD) but most secure way
    for this purpose.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Apr 14 12:19:07 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2025-04-14 03:09, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion wrote:

    I'm beginning to think Tyrone isn't nospam, as I doubt nospam could
    come up with any suggestion that actually stood any chance of
    actually working.

    I don't remember nospam ever writing anything more than a paragraph or
    two. He certainly wouldn't have written out this tutorial and would
    instead have provided a link to an Apple document.

    I love how you ignored this:

    "The SMB method won't work for me (simply because I don't live in the
    slums), but it will work for people who have a password on their account."

    Or do you agree that everyone who uses passwords on their accounts must
    "live in the slums"?

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Apr 14 22:10:02 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:17:32 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    Maybe the place he lives is a palace compared to the rest of us.

    You should know by now that it's a dig at the Apple culture.

    At the risk of explaining too much about Apple's strategy for people to comprehend in one bite, Apple's fundamental strategy with iOS is they
    designed it as a dumb terminal which *requires* constantly (every single
    day!) logging into the Cupertino matrix in order for iOS to do anything
    useful.

    This is important.

    Every moment of every day, for their entire lives, Apple users are logging
    into Apple's servers, just to get the most basic of functionality on iOS.

    Hell... these Apple owners log into the Apple Cupertino servers pretty much
    on every breath they take - they're *that* connected to Apple's matrix.

    Since Apple has billions of people constantly logging into its servers,
    Apple is fantastically *desperate* to have people put on silly gimmicks to "protect" their system from their wife, kids, and friends of the family.

    Why do you think Apple makes a huge (bullshit) deal bout BIOMETRICS!!!!!!!! Apple essentially, tells all their customers that they live in the slums.

    Apple teaches every one of their customers that everyone around them is a threat. That their wife is out to get them. Their kids too. And friends.

    Hence Apple owners live in constant fear for their lives, every moment.
    As if they live in the slums.

    As for me, my cars are parked outside and I don't even lock the doors.
    My house is unlocked. My gate open. I live in the Santa Cruz Mountains.

    I don't live in the slums. So I don't fear everyone around me.

    Apple owners fear every single person around them.
    Which is why I joke that Apple owners all live in the projects.

    The slums.
    Otherwise, why are they so afraid of their own wife & kids & friends?

    All Apple owners live in the slums. That's what Apple teaches them.
    --
    In the subterranean caversn of the Apple ecosystem, every single person is
    to be feared as a dire thread - you MUST protect iOS from even your wife!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Mon Apr 14 14:59:21 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2025-04-14 13:17, badgolferman wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-14 03:09, badgolferman wrote:
    Marion wrote:

    I'm beginning to think Tyrone isn't nospam, as I doubt nospam could
    come up with any suggestion that actually stood any chance of
    actually working.

    I don't remember nospam ever writing anything more than a paragraph or
    two. He certainly wouldn't have written out this tutorial and would
    instead have provided a link to an Apple document.

    I love how you ignored this:

    "The SMB method won't work for me (simply because I don't live in the
    slums), but it will work for people who have a password on their account." >>
    Or do you agree that everyone who uses passwords on their accounts must
    "live in the slums"?


    Maybe the place he lives is a palace compared to the rest of us.


    Huh.

    Why not just come right out and call him on his bullshit?

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  • From david@21:1/5 to Marion on Mon Apr 14 16:17:01 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Using <news:vtk13q$17t3$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>, Marion wrote:

    Maybe the place he lives is a palace compared to the rest of us.

    You should know by now that it's a dig at the Apple culture.

    Is there any other operating system which requires a login to do basic
    things like populating the device with typical apps that people use.

    Or is it just Apple?

    Because if any other operating system requires that login for the device to
    do basic things like install apps, then that other OS maker thinks its
    owners live in those slums too.

    Or is it just Apple whose owners are told that they all live in the slums?

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Tue Apr 15 10:18:43 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-14 18:30:56 +0000, Tyrone said:

    On Apr 14, 2025 at 1:20:30 AM EDT, "Jörg Lorenz" <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

    On 14.04.25 01:42, Tyrone wrote:
    This requires NO additional software to be installed on anything. All
    of this functionality is native to Windows, Linux and Unix (iOS/iPadOS).

    Utter nonsense. Dysfunctional and ways too complicated.

    No. It works just fine. No more difficult than networking 2 Windows PCs.

    "networking 2 Windows PCs" ... so it *is* way over-complicated, and
    only works on days with an 's' in the name and if you cross your
    left-hand fingers while poking your tongue out the right side of your
    mouth, and don't breathe. :-p



    iCloud exists and is the safest and most elegant way to transfer data
    between iOS und Windows/Linux devices.

    Yes, I do that too. All of my iPhone pictures are automatically downloaded to my Windows PC. The whole point of this is to copy ANY file locally.

    The next easiest way is to use the LAN. I use it quite often.

    Um, this IS using the LAN. Local Area Network. This is standard networking. You use the same method when networking 2 Windows PCs. Or Windows and a Mac. Etc.

    Less elegant: An external USB device (stick or HD) but most secure way
    for this purpose.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Mon Apr 14 15:24:54 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    On 2025-04-14 15:10, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:17:32 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    Maybe the place he lives is a palace compared to the rest of us.

    You should know by now that it's a dig at the Apple culture.

    At the risk of explaining too much about Apple's strategy for people to comprehend in one bite, Apple's fundamental strategy with iOS is they designed it as a dumb terminal which *requires* constantly (every single day!) logging into the Cupertino matrix in order for iOS to do anything useful.

    Utterly false.


    This is important.

    Every moment of every day, for their entire lives, Apple users are logging into Apple's servers, just to get the most basic of functionality on iOS.

    False.


    Hell... these Apple owners log into the Apple Cupertino servers pretty much on every breath they take - they're *that* connected to Apple's matrix.

    False.


    Since Apple has billions of people constantly logging into its servers,
    Apple is fantastically *desperate* to have people put on silly gimmicks to "protect" their system from their wife, kids, and friends of the family.

    Why do you think Apple makes a huge (bullshit) deal bout BIOMETRICS!!!!!!!! Apple essentially, tells all their customers that they live in the slums.

    How is Apple doing that?


    Apple teaches every one of their customers that everyone around them is a threat. That their wife is out to get them. Their kids too. And friends.

    False.

    Not everyone, but a phone without a passcode can be stolen and if there
    is any private information on it at all, that information is at risk.


    Hence Apple owners live in constant fear for their lives, every moment.
    As if they live in the slums.

    As for me, my cars are parked outside and I don't even lock the doors.
    My house is unlocked. My gate open. I live in the Santa Cruz Mountains.

    I don't live in the slums. So I don't fear everyone around me.

    Apple owners fear every single person around them.
    Which is why I joke that Apple owners all live in the projects.

    The slums.
    Otherwise, why are they so afraid of their own wife & kids & friends?

    All Apple owners live in the slums. That's what Apple teaches them.

    You're a horrible person.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Graham J on Mon Apr 14 18:45:10 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Graham J wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:
    [snip]

    The drive is a samsung 500 gb hard disk attached to a netgear  router’s
    USB port.  It works perfectly with several windows machines on my network
    but not with iPhones or iPads.

    I've seen very variable performance when connecting a disk to a router's
    USB port - any router, not necessarily Netgear.  Sometimes they don't
    work at all, other times they might be read-only.  I suspect the
    router's implementation of the necessary protocols is inadequate.

    Please can you try a real NAS connected to your network.



    No, I don't have one, unless you're willing to donate.

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Apr 14 18:39:28 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system

    Alan wrote:
    On 2025-04-14 15:10, Marion wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 20:17:32 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote :


    Maybe the place he lives is a palace compared to the rest of us.

    You should know by now that it's a dig at the Apple culture.

    At the risk of explaining too much about Apple's strategy for people to
    comprehend in one bite, Apple's fundamental strategy with iOS is they
    designed it as a dumb terminal which *requires* constantly (every single
    day!) logging into the Cupertino matrix in order for iOS to do anything
    useful.

    Utterly false.


    This is important.

    Every moment of every day, for their entire lives, Apple users are
    logging
    into Apple's servers, just to get the most basic of functionality on iOS.

    False.


    Hell... these Apple owners log into the Apple Cupertino servers pretty
    much
    on every breath they take - they're *that* connected to Apple's matrix.

    False.


    Since Apple has billions of people constantly logging into its servers,
    Apple is fantastically *desperate* to have people put on silly
    gimmicks to
    "protect" their system from their wife, kids, and friends of the family.

    Why do you think Apple makes a huge (bullshit) deal bout
    BIOMETRICS!!!!!!!!
    Apple essentially, tells all their customers that they live in the slums.

    How is Apple doing that?


    Apple teaches every one of their customers that everyone around them is a
    threat. That their wife is out to get them. Their kids too. And friends.

    False.

    Not everyone, but a phone without a passcode can be stolen and if there
    is any private information on it at all, that information is at risk.


    Hence Apple owners live in constant fear for their lives, every moment.
    As if they live in the slums.

    As for me, my cars are parked outside and I don't even lock the doors.
    My house is unlocked. My gate open. I live in the Santa Cruz Mountains.

    I don't live in the slums. So I don't fear everyone around me.

    Apple owners fear every single person around them.
    Which is why I joke that Apple owners all live in the projects.

    The slums.
    Otherwise, why are they so afraid of their own wife & kids & friends?

    All Apple owners live in the slums. That's what Apple teaches them.

    You're a horrible person.



    Preach it Brother !!

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Graham J on Tue Apr 15 01:54:11 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Mon, 4/14/2025 12:23 PM, Graham J wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:
    [snip]

    The drive is a samsung 500 gb hard disk attached to a netgear  router’s >> USB port.  It works perfectly with several windows machines on my network >> but not with iPhones or iPads.

    I've seen very variable performance when connecting a disk to a router's USB port - any router, not necessarily Netgear.  Sometimes they don't work at all, other times they might be read-only.  I suspect the router's implementation of the necessary
    protocols is inadequate.

    Please can you try a real NAS connected to your network.

    It's well known, that the vast majority of NAS devices owned
    by USENETters are SMBV1. There is a continuous stream of questions
    about cranky NAS situations.

    When we answer questions, we don't even bother asking any more.
    In fact, I don't really have any evidence that NAS boxes use
    anything OTHER than SMBV1 :-) W10/W11 have a logging feature,
    which records what SMB standard was used for a connection, but
    the scheme is not any more proactive than that. Only a successful
    connection is logged and then you can examine what it says.

    Wireshark can help you a tiny bit, with SMB interactions.
    It has a dissector for SMB. But when I tried to use it,
    on a connection that wasn't going to happen, the dissector
    could not descend deeper than an error word with bit fields.
    I was told, by looking up the bitfield myself, that my error
    condition was "need more information", which is very very
    specific about why my connection isn't happening. And
    I "need a Sparkle Pony", but "Something Happened".

    The first one here, is from my notes file, a connection between
    two modern versions of windows. SMBV3 in use.

    Get-SmbConnection

    ServerName ShareName UserName Credential Dialect NumOpens
    --------- -------- -------- ---------- ------- --------
    CRUISE IPC$ WALLACE\ringo MSA\a@a.a 3.1.1 0

    *******

    I just set this one up.

    Get-SmbConnection

    ServerName ShareName UserName Credential Dialect NumOpens
    ---------- --------- -------- ---------- ------- --------
    WINXP sharexp (e) WALLACE\ringo MicrosoftAccount\a@a.a 1.5 2

    The connection to my WinXP VM is Dialect 1.5, so a slight variant of SMBV1 .

    Paul

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Graham J on Tue Apr 15 15:31:53 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
    Hank Rogers wrote:
    [snip]

    The drive is a samsung 500 gb hard disk attached to a netgear router?s
    USB port. It works perfectly with several windows machines on my network but not with iPhones or iPads.

    I've seen very variable performance when connecting a disk to a router's
    USB port - any router, not necessarily Netgear. Sometimes they don't
    work at all, other times they might be read-only. I suspect the
    router's implementation of the necessary protocols is inadequate.

    Please can you try a real NAS connected to your network.

    In the meantime he responded that he (Hank) can not, because he
    doesn't have a real NAS, but IMO he doesn't have to try, because if it
    works with his Windows system, but not with his router-connected disk,
    the problem is in the router and is - as Paul mentioned - probably a SMB version issue.

    Perhaps the iOS Files app or iOS itself can - temporarily - be
    persuaded to use SMB 1.0 protocol?

    Another test: Make sure that SMB 1.0 is *not* enabled on his Windows
    system [1] and let his Windows system try to access the router-connected
    disk as a Network Share. If that also fails, it's very likely that the router-connected disk is SMB1-only.

    Perhaps, as a final test, enabling/ticking 'SMB 1.0/CIFS Client' (only Client, *not* Server) can prove it works with SMB 1.0.

    [1] Control Panel -> Programs and Features -> Turn Windows features on
    or off -> SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support -> make sure all four boxes
    are unticked.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Tue Apr 15 16:20:22 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-14, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

    Files app sets the network drive as read-only?

    Yes. Many people have reported this and for several versions of
    ios/ipados.

    Many people couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag when it
    comes to configuring file sharing and permissions - especially on
    Windows. Makes you wonder what the overlap is...

    Meanwhile, several people right here are telling you and showing
    screenshots of it factually working just fine, but your little clique desperately wants everyone to ignore them due to your very clear bias.

    To anyone who knows better, you just come off looking foolish. We've
    been transferring stuff between our computers and devices for ages
    without issue, and here you are claiming what we do regularly is
    supposedly impossible. 🤣

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Marion@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Tue Apr 15 16:49:52 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 15 Apr 2025 16:20:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


    To anyone who knows better, you just come off looking foolish. We've
    been transferring stuff between our computers and devices for ages
    without issue, and here you are claiming what we do regularly is
    supposedly impossible.

    Heh heh heh ... ask Jolly Roger when is the last time (heh heh heh, the
    first time) he transferred his files from iOS to Android without the net.

    All this "transferring" that Jolly Roger claims, has never happened.

    There's a reason Apple designed the iOS device as a dumb terminal.

    Every second of every day of every moment of the iOS users' lives, they're logged into Apple's Matrix Servers in Cupertino to "transfer" those files.
    --
    The dark dank subterranean complex called the "ecosystem" doesn't work the moment you take away Cupertino's Matrix servers which they log into daily.

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Tue Apr 15 17:11:59 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On Apr 14, 2025 at 10:54:32 AM EDT, "Hank Rogers" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:

    Files app sets the network drive as read-only?
    Yes. Many people have reported this and for several versions of
    ios/ipados.

    The Files app does not set the permissions on the Windows share. Why would
    you think that is even possible? The Files app uses whatever persmissions are set on the Windows share.

    When you share a drive/folder on Windows, the default permission is read only.
    That is why I specifically stated to give Full Control if you want to be able to add/change/delete files on the Windows share. This is true regardless of what is connecting to the Windows share. Linux, Unix, Windows, whatever. All can only do what is allowed on the Windows share, which is set by the Windows Administrator. Which, in this case, is you.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Marion on Tue Apr 15 10:30:50 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-15 09:49, Marion wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2025 16:20:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :


    To anyone who knows better, you just come off looking foolish. We've
    been transferring stuff between our computers and devices for ages
    without issue, and here you are claiming what we do regularly is
    supposedly impossible.

    Heh heh heh ... ask Jolly Roger when is the last time (heh heh heh, the
    first time) he transferred his files from iOS to Android without the net.

    All this "transferring" that Jolly Roger claims, has never happened.

    Yes... ...it really has happened.


    There's a reason Apple designed the iOS device as a dumb terminal.

    It's not.


    Every second of every day of every moment of the iOS users' lives, they're logged into Apple's Matrix Servers in Cupertino to "transfer" those files.

    Wrong.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Marion on Wed Apr 16 18:49:21 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-15, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2025 16:20:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

    To anyone who knows better, you just come off looking foolish. We've
    been transferring stuff between our computers and devices for ages
    without issue, and here you are claiming what we do regularly is
    supposedly impossible.

    Heh heh heh ... ask Jolly Roger when is the last time (heh heh heh, the
    first time) he transferred his files from iOS to Android without the net.

    Notice how little Arlen desperately wants to move the goal post now that
    he's been shown to be a complete fool. 😉

    All this "transferring" that Jolly Roger claims, has never happened.

    I transfer shit all day every day between my devices and computers. The
    fact that you can't says more about you than anyone else.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed Apr 16 13:16:39 2025
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2025-04-16 11:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-04-15, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2025 16:20:22 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote :

    To anyone who knows better, you just come off looking foolish. We've
    been transferring stuff between our computers and devices for ages
    without issue, and here you are claiming what we do regularly is
    supposedly impossible.

    Heh heh heh ... ask Jolly Roger when is the last time (heh heh heh, the
    first time) he transferred his files from iOS to Android without the net.

    Notice how little Arlen desperately wants to move the goal post now that
    he's been shown to be a complete fool. 😉

    All the funnier because he started the thread and chose the subject.

    ;-)

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