Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
On 4/16/2025 3:27 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
What are what two things?
On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 15:33:17 -0400, Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
wrote:
On 4/16/2025 3:27 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
What are what two things?
Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
Size 210.91 MB
Version 6.0.36.34217
Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
Size 217.09 MB
Version 8.0.15.34718
On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 15:33:17 -0400, Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
wrote:
On 4/16/2025 3:27 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
What are what two things?
Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
Size 210.91 MB
Version 6.0.36.34217
Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
Size 217.09 MB
Version 8.0.15.34718
What are what two things?
Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
Size 210.91 MB
Version 6.0.36.34217
Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
Size 217.09 MB
Version 8.0.15.34718
On 4/16/2025 6:55 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
What are what two things?
Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
Size 210.91 MB
Version 6.0.36.34217
Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
Size 217.09 MB
Version 8.0.15.34718
That's interesting. I never noticed it before. I also have both.
But I have 7 and 8. They seem to be the .Net runtimes
7 and 8. I don't know why they call it a desktop runtime,
or even a runtime. They used to call it a framework. Apparently
it's desktop in the sense of being for "desktop software". Maybe
MS did that to cover the embarassing fact that .Net was
never designed for, and has never been well suited to, Desktop
software. Like Java, it's slow, bloated, JIT compiled, optimized
for RAD development of serverside applets.
I just uninstalled v. 7 with no apparent
ill effects. Like any .Net runtime, whether you need it will depend
on what software you use. I never knowingly use .Net software,
but I may have tried some program that installed these without
asking.
So, long story short, you shouldn't need them, but it's possible
that you're using .Net software developed with those version
numbers, so it would break if you remove the runtime. These
.Net libraries and ASP Core could also be connected with the Metro
applets, though Metro system settings still works fine for me
with #7 gone.
Looking in Windows\Insytaller I see that I have nearly 60 MB
in two MSI files that are both the 8.0.3 runtime installers, but
have slightly different dates and sizes. I'm repeatedly astonished
at how much bloated crap MS have stashed in Win10/11.
I have no idea what would trigger this. The maintenance the
Windows Update does, is for V4 mostly. The only way these might be
managed, is by bunging in a blob every once in a while (like
a forklift install), rather than being a patch. And if that is
the case, why don't these show in Programs and Features control panel ?
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/8.0
You would expect a thing like Paint.NET to be associated with
crazy stuff like this. And some applications with exotic runtime requirements, trigger the download of the essential package
their own selves. Inviting the items in.
I tried to look up the "what versions am I running" issue, and
it's still handled in the same cack-handed way it always was. But,
without Aaron Stebner ("netfx_setupverifier.exe") to help us.
Support for that stopped around 2018 or so.
On 4/17/2025 12:24 AM, Paul wrote:
I have no idea what would trigger this. The maintenance the
Windows Update does, is for V4 mostly. The only way these might be
managed, is by bunging in a blob every once in a while (like
a forklift install), rather than being a patch. And if that is
the case, why don't these show in Programs and Features control panel ?
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/8.0
You would expect a thing like Paint.NET to be associated with
crazy stuff like this. And some applications with exotic runtime
requirements, trigger the download of the essential package
their own selves. Inviting the items in.
I tried to look up the "what versions am I running" issue, and
it's still handled in the same cack-handed way it always was. But,
without Aaron Stebner ("netfx_setupverifier.exe") to help us.
Support for that stopped around 2018 or so.
The #8 that I have remaining has an install date of 5/10/24.
Both were listed under installed programs. 5/24 is after I
stopped allowing Microsoft updates. If I installed a program
that tried to go online to download a Framework then I
would have stopped it via firewall and cancelled the installation.
So that seems to leave some kind of software that packed the
runtime into an installer.
What might do that? There is one thing that fits the bill. I
installed Intel Arc display controller on the same day. It's incredibly bloated. 820 MB for a ridiculously theatrical black Metro window
with "special effects", all just to control hue, saturation and
brightness, which don't show up in the Win10 display settings.
(Separate from the Intel display driver, which is 720 MB
compressed!) Could Win10/11 graphics settings be any worse
than they are? They range across several different nested
windows, yet don't provide anywhere near the number of Windows
options or display driver adjustments that older Windows provided
all from one handy, well designed applet.
OK, so let's try uninstalling #8 runtime.... Intel Arc still
works. Though now I'm wondering why I haven't uninstalled
that. Will I ever need to adjust hue and brightness again?
Do I really want to waste a GB of space for that? Is Intel
secretly making all the SSDs and trying to fill them up so
they can sell more? ... I can only guess that Intel threw in
this crap as a favor to Microsoft.
I also tried out several incredibly bloated text editors back
then, like Atom and Sublime. I had decided to make my own
improved version of Notepad and first went out to see whether
it already existed. (I was surprised to find lots of useless and
overdesigned editors that gave me all sorts of options for
colors and panels, but shoehorned in far too much unnecessary
stuff.) The editors were bloated enough to have snuck in a
.Net runtime, but the dates don't correspond.
On Thu, 4/17/2025 8:34 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
On 4/17/2025 12:24 AM, Paul wrote:
I have no idea what would trigger this. The maintenance the
Windows Update does, is for V4 mostly. The only way these might be
managed, is by bunging in a blob every once in a while (like
a forklift install), rather than being a patch. And if that is
the case, why don't these show in Programs and Features control panel ?
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/8.0
You would expect a thing like Paint.NET to be associated with
crazy stuff like this. And some applications with exotic runtime
requirements, trigger the download of the essential package
their own selves. Inviting the items in.
I tried to look up the "what versions am I running" issue, and
it's still handled in the same cack-handed way it always was. But,
without Aaron Stebner ("netfx_setupverifier.exe") to help us.
Support for that stopped around 2018 or so.
The #8 that I have remaining has an install date of 5/10/24.
Both were listed under installed programs. 5/24 is after I
stopped allowing Microsoft updates. If I installed a program
that tried to go online to download a Framework then I
would have stopped it via firewall and cancelled the installation.
So that seems to leave some kind of software that packed the
runtime into an installer.
What might do that? There is one thing that fits the bill. I
installed Intel Arc display controller on the same day. It's incredibly
bloated. 820 MB for a ridiculously theatrical black Metro window
with "special effects", all just to control hue, saturation and
brightness, which don't show up in the Win10 display settings.
(Separate from the Intel display driver, which is 720 MB
compressed!) Could Win10/11 graphics settings be any worse
than they are? They range across several different nested
windows, yet don't provide anywhere near the number of Windows
options or display driver adjustments that older Windows provided
all from one handy, well designed applet.
OK, so let's try uninstalling #8 runtime.... Intel Arc still
works. Though now I'm wondering why I haven't uninstalled
that. Will I ever need to adjust hue and brightness again?
Do I really want to waste a GB of space for that? Is Intel
secretly making all the SSDs and trying to fill them up so
they can sell more? ... I can only guess that Intel threw in
this crap as a favor to Microsoft.
I also tried out several incredibly bloated text editors back
then, like Atom and Sublime. I had decided to make my own
improved version of Notepad and first went out to see whether
it already existed. (I was surprised to find lots of useless and
overdesigned editors that gave me all sorts of options for
colors and panels, but shoehorned in far too much unnecessary
stuff.) The editors were bloated enough to have snuck in a
.Net runtime, but the dates don't correspond.
I don't know what Microsoft is trying to do with .NET.
I thought that ship had mostly sunk :-)
And a gigabyte of space for a utility ? Does it
have a hidden game in it with textures or something ?
It's not necessarily Paint.NET
On this Win10 Pro 22H2 device, additional runtimes are Visual C++
related. No items specifically named 'Dekstop Runtime' in any location:
If Desktop Runtime is present, it's not necessarily from or included in Windows 10.
- Not included in Windows 10 installer
- Not included in Windows 10 Updates(LCU, Safe OS, WinRE)
- Not included in .NET updates unless the desktop runtime is present,
but only updating files without version changes.
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