The small 2 Terabyte WD Elements external backup drive I paid $60 for 4
years ago is now $80. I thought computer stuff was supposed to get
cheaper with time!! (Well, that was last week. tonight it's down to
70.) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W55K9N6?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_2
It's mechanical. A solid state drive the same size is almost twice as
much. (The cheapest on Amazon is $112. Well, Vanzuny is 109, but I
never heard of Vanzuny.)
1) Would you spend almost twice as much for a drive just used for
backups? Speed is not an issue. The current one is plenty fast. And
damage is not an issue: I rarely go out of town and when I do I don't
take my bacup drive, although in the past they were 5 1/2" drives. Now
they are much smaller and I could if you told me I should.)
2) Do you keep your backup files for an old computer, when you've copied everythign to the newer computer? Since all the data files have been copied to the new computer, I could, to save m money, erase the old
computer files and use it for the new one and I wouldn't have to buy a
new drive. Good idea?
There are as many scams in the purchase
of thermal tape, as in the purchase of ...
The spare computer, for example, just has
a Lexar laying in the case, as the boot drive.
The small 2 Terabyte WD Elements external backup drive I paid $60 for 4
2) Do you keep your backup files for an old computer, when you've copied everythign to the newer computer? Since all the data files have been copied to the new computer, I could, to save m money, erase the old
computer files and use it for the new one and I wouldn't have to buy a
new drive. Good idea?
On 4/19/2025 10:34 PM, micky wrote:
The small 2 Terabyte WD Elements external backup drive I paid $60 for 4
2) Do you keep your backup files for an old computer, when you've copied
everythign to the newer computer? Since all the data files have been
copied to the new computer, I could, to save m money, erase the old
computer files and use it for the new one and I wouldn't have to buy a
new drive. Good idea?
Why not just do some housecleaning? Everything I have,
and everything I've backed up, wouldn't fill 500 GB. Are
you *really* ever, possibly, going to want to access most
of those files? Do you really need 17 3-MB photos of the
2010 July 4th cookout?
These ideas are partially for disaster recovery
If a primary drive fails, it's a lot easier to just restore
from backup, than to try to remember what used to be on there.
It's a convenience thing.
On Sat, 4/19/2025 10:34 PM, micky wrote:
2a) Air breather drives last a long time. The motors are FDB (fluid dynamic bearing),
which is frictionless once the motor is up to speed. However, the surface
of the platter, can respond to contaminants in the air, and while there
is a hepafilter on the breather hole, we don't really know how good of
a job that is doing. My experience here is, I see more drive failures
after a month of humid conditions in the room, than when the room is
a bit drier. Still, considering how long an archive has to last, I'm
never too concerned that an OS backup will croak after only two years.
Note that, the hepafilter design has changed, and the serpentine path
is now longer. The idea is, the path inside is shaped, so the air has
to travel a slightly longer distance.
2b) Helium drives are sealed. Helium is getting expensive. This is part of
the reason that air breathers are going up the capacity chart, the drive
may be cheaper due to the shortage of Helium.
Helium drives are warranted
for five years, for the ability to hold the helium gas inside. We don't
really know, how many years a helium drive would last (as an archival device).
There is no gas port, to pump them up again. They are above atmospheric
pressure a tiny bit, and this allows the drive to have a sensor inside
to detect a gas failure. The drive has two covers -- the "adhesive cover"
holds the gas. The "mechanical cover" is welded over top of the adhesive
cover. The mechanical cover is not gas-tight. But it serves to keep the
adhesive cover from moving. As a joke, data recovery companies have been
using NC machines, to mill the weld edge in order to get the outside
cover off. (Air breathers come apart with a screwdriver, during repair.)
Because it's sealed, the drive inside is very clean and there is no possibility
of a redox reaction on the plating surface. The drive uses less electrical
power, due to reduced friction while rotating. The heads still "fly" in
helium, and there is a high pressure zone right underneath the sled. To
maintain a high pressure zone like that, implies friction and energy loss.
That pressure, helps cushion the head and give the 70 gees of shock resistance.
We get super high quality storage, are likely to be able to do a restore,
two years after doing a backup. But the actual period of time the helium
stays in the can, is an unknown. I own just one Helium drive, to see how
long it lasts :-) It's an 18TB drive. My backup fleet is six 6TB air breather
drives.
Summary: We have three applications. SSD drive while traveling, due to shock
resistance. The people at the border can copy your drive faster, at
530MB/sec, which is handy.
isible with a filter.
The gyroscopic effect when removing one from a test cady is very
noticeable. Surprised me.
The small 2 Terabyte WD Elements external backup drive I paid $60 for 4--
years ago is now $80. I thought computer stuff was supposed to get
cheaper with time!! (Well, that was last week. tonight it's down to
70.) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W55K9N6?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_2
It's mechanical. A solid state drive the same size is almost twice as
much. (The cheapest on Amazon is $112. Well, Vanzuny is 109, but I
never heard of Vanzuny.)
1) Would you spend almost twice as much for a drive just used for
backups? Speed is not an issue. The current one is plenty fast. And
damage is not an issue: I rarely go out of town and when I do I don't
take my bacup drive, although in the past they were 5 1/2" drives. Now
they are much smaller and I could if you told me I should.)
2) Do you keep your backup files for an old computer, when you've copied everythign to the newer computer? Since all the data files have been copied to the new computer, I could, to save m money, erase the old
computer files and use it for the new one and I wouldn't have to buy a
new drive. Good idea?
For me, I prefer cheaper and bigger old fashion HDDs over expensive
SSDs. I remember paying over 100 USD for a 5 TB USB3 ext. HDD from
Costco.com and Amazon.com. I'm still waiting for SSDs to be match HDD on their prices and sizes.
For me, I prefer cheaper and bigger old fashion HDDs over expensive
SSDs. I remember paying over 100 USD for a 5 TB USB3 ext. HDD from
Costco.com and Amazon.com. I'm still waiting for SSDs to be match HDD on their prices and sizes.
On 4/20/2025 10:38 PM, Ant wrote:
For me, I prefer cheaper and bigger old fashion HDDs over expensiveThey seem to have leveled out at about $100/TB. I buy
SSDs. I remember paying over 100 USD for a 5 TB USB3 ext. HDD from
Costco.com and Amazon.com. I'm still waiting for SSDs to be match HDD on
their prices and sizes.
a Samsaung 500 when they go under $50. I bought an off
brand once for backup, just because it was so cheap.
(Inland?) But I'd never buy external. You just pay through
the nose for a case.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 20 Apr 2025 20:23:46 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
isible with a filter.
The gyroscopic effect when removing one from a test cady is very
noticeable. Surprised me.
I've thought about this. With all the harddrives spinning all over the world, and the difficulty of changing their orientation, because of the gyroscopic effect, isn't that going to interfere with the rotation of
the earth. And that will make days longer, and thus years will also be longer.
The small 2 Terabyte WD Elements external backup drive I paid $60 for 4
years ago is now $80.
I thought computer stuff was supposed to get
cheaper with time!! (Well, that was last week. tonight it's down to
70.) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W55K9N6?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_2
It's mechanical. A solid state drive the same size is almost twice as
much. (The cheapest on Amazon is $112. Well, Vanzuny is 109, but I
never heard of Vanzuny.)
1) Would you spend almost twice as much for a drive just used for
backups? Speed is not an issue. The current one is plenty fast. And
damage is not an issue: I rarely go out of town and when I do I don't
take my bacup drive, although in the past they were 5 1/2" drives. Now
they are much smaller and I could if you told me I should.)
2) Do you keep your backup files for an old computer, when you've copied everythign to the newer computer? Since all the data files have been copied to the new computer, I could, to save m money, erase the old
computer files and use it for the new one and I wouldn't have to buy a
new drive. Good idea?
But with the drives themselves, you have to be pretty careful
these days with fraud. There are batches of drives seemingly
coming from Chia farms, where the odometer has been set back
on them. There's a fair number of items at my computer
store listed as "refurbished", and while they could be
NFF drives from factory warranty returns, we don't really
know what those are, or what rock they crawled out from under.
It seems that SATA connections might be becoming obsolete, with
something called SAS taking over?
I'm rather out of the loop on the latest developments, and anyway needSAS is still used where large number of spinning drives are required,
SATA drives, so don't know much about SAS.
Java Jive wrote:
It seems that SATA connections might be becoming obsolete, with
something called SAS taking over?
SAS has been a thing for well over a decade on servers, not likely to
make it to desktops. SAS controllers can use SATA drives but not vice-versa, the drives have features like command queueing to
efficiently handle multiple reads/writes by themselves, can speak to two controllers, run at 12 or 24 Gbps instead of 6 Gbps for SATA, drives are offered with longer warranties.
I'm rather out of the loop on the latest developments, and anyway need
SATA drives, so don't know much about SAS.
SAS is still used where large number of spinning drives are required,
SAS can be used with SSDs, but E3.s hot pluggable drives are the new
form factor for large numbers of NVMe/SSD
But with the drives themselves, you have to be pretty careful
these days with fraud. There are batches of drives seemingly
coming from Chia farms, where the odometer has been set back
on them.
Didn't some guy do something with something called 'tariffs'!? :-)
On Sun, 4/20/2025 10:38 PM, Ant wrote:
For me, I prefer cheaper and bigger old fashion HDDs over expensive
SSDs. I remember paying over 100 USD for a 5 TB USB3 ext. HDD from
Costco.com and Amazon.com. I'm still waiting for SSDs to be match HDD on
their prices and sizes.
I don't believe projections like this. "The guy who owns a pony,
keeps drawing charts where the pony wins."
https://blocksandfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Wikibon-SSD-less-than-HDD-in-2026.jpg
To bump the chart along, will require someone to make another
storage type. There was Optane, but the last devices shipped
cost $3000 each, to give some idea why they no longer exist
as a competitor. No denying it had nice characteristics
(it could be written at individual locations, rather than
large blocks).
Because the Optane had a speed advantage at one point, it forced
one of the NAND companies to reduce their latency by a factor of 2.
Which would never have happened, unless there was a faster pony
coming up from behind. I think everyone watching that, could
enjoy the humor of it. the other party, having to get off their
lazy butt and fix something. I don't think the lower latency
part, still ships today. And that's because of the process of
optimization, you squeeze every penny out of the thing, and
there is only one way to make the cheapest part. So the lower
latency just has to go.
Paul
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
The small 2 Terabyte WD Elements external backup drive I paid $60 for 4
years ago is now $80.
Didn't some guy do something with something called 'tariffs'!? :-)
FWIW, my last disk purchase was also a 2TB WD Elements. Nice devices.
I thought computer stuff was supposed to get
cheaper with time!! (Well, that was last week. tonight it's down to
70.)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W55K9N6?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_2
It's mechanical. A solid state drive the same size is almost twice as
much. (The cheapest on Amazon is $112. Well, Vanzuny is 109, but I
never heard of Vanzuny.)
1) Would you spend almost twice as much for a drive just used for
backups? Speed is not an issue. The current one is plenty fast. And
damage is not an issue: I rarely go out of town and when I do I don't
take my bacup drive, although in the past they were 5 1/2" drives. Now
they are much smaller and I could if you told me I should.)
No, I would not buy a SSD drive for backup and *did* take my 1TB WD
Elements all over the world, several times, and also in a 4WD on highly >corrugated dirt/gravel roads for hundreds of kilometres, no problem.
2) Do you keep your backup files for an old computer, when you've copied
everythign to the newer computer? Since all the data files have been
copied to the new computer, I could, to save m money, erase the old
computer files and use it for the new one and I wouldn't have to buy a
new drive. Good idea?
If you've really copied *everything* - not just what you thought of -
you could delete the old copy, *after* you've made (full) backup of the
new computer. I.e. at all times, you should have at least two copies of
all your files, one on the active computer, one on a backup device.
That said, before 'decomissioning' the old computer, I make - at least
- a full image backup of it and keep *that*. So if I ever need anything
from that old computer, and assuming that the same image backup/restore >program (currently Macrium Reflect) (still) works on my current
computer, I can still restore any file(s) I might need.
FWIW, I currently have image backup of my two earlier computers (Vista
and 8.1). Current computer is Windows 11.
On 2025-04-21 15:29, Andy Burns wrote:themselves, can speak to two controllers, run at 12 or 24 Gbps instead of 6 Gbps for SATA, drives are offered with longer warranties.
Java Jive wrote:
It seems that SATA connections might be becoming obsolete, with something called SAS taking over?
SAS has been a thing for well over a decade on servers, not likely to make it to desktops. SAS controllers can use SATA drives but not vice-versa, the drives have features like command queueing to efficiently handle multiple reads/writes by
I'm rather out of the loop on the latest developments, and anyway need SATA drives, so don't know much about SAS.
SAS is still used where large number of spinning drives are required, SAS can be used with SSDs, but E3.s hot pluggable drives are the new form factor for large numbers of NVMe/SSD
Thanks for updating me.
On 4/21/2025 9:12 AM, Paul wrote:
But with the drives themselves, you have to be pretty careful
these days with fraud. There are batches of drives seemingly
coming from Chia farms, where the odometer has been set back
on them.
No problem. Just don't buy disks with grass growing on them.
I've always hated those chia pets, anyway. :)
I have an adapter gadget that I bought at one
point when I was thinking of doing tech support
on the side. It converts between SATA, IDE and
USB, with a plug-in adapter for power. So I can hook
up any drive via USB without a case. Though for
largescale backup I'm more likely to plug it in internally,
just long enough to copy over.
A lot of people plug in external backup permanently,
but that partially defeats the purpose. Backup means
it's not connected. I have a redundant internal disk for
on-machine backup.
On Mon, 4/21/2025 11:06 AM, Java Jive wrote:themselves, can speak to two controllers, run at 12 or 24 Gbps instead of 6 Gbps for SATA, drives are offered with longer warranties.
On 2025-04-21 15:29, Andy Burns wrote:
Java Jive wrote:
It seems that SATA connections might be becoming obsolete, with something called SAS taking over?
SAS has been a thing for well over a decade on servers, not likely to make it to desktops. SAS controllers can use SATA drives but not vice-versa, the drives have features like command queueing to efficiently handle multiple reads/writes by
I'm rather out of the loop on the latest developments, and anyway need SATA drives, so don't know much about SAS.
SAS is still used where large number of spinning drives are required, SAS can be used with SSDs, but E3.s hot pluggable drives are the new form factor for large numbers of NVMe/SSD
Thanks for updating me.
SATA - SATA III 6 Gbit/sec (no equalization, simplified PHY)
NCQ (tagged queuing depth 7)
SAS - 12 Gbit/sec (PHY has equalizer, line build out, longer cables possible by interface enabling LBO)
Tagged Queue depth 65536
Backward compatible with SATA
May be associated with 4096 byte sectors (check before purchase)
While backward compatibility is claimed, most home user accounts of the testing "don't end well".
Windows supports both 512 byte sectors and 4096 byte sectors (available tools to do 4K maintenance, may be lacking)
While SAS exists and could in principle be put in your
home computer, I've yet to read an account where someone
claims they got a good result by doing this. I don't
know exactly what is wrong, with using them. They should
work, but the transfer rates usually end up "sub-par".
It cannot transfer any faster than a SATA drive, in the
sense that the read channel at the platter can only go
so fast, which today is around ~300MB/sec best case.
The read channel likely uses some significant amount
of DSP to get the job done - the "wiggles" no longer
succumb to straight-forward level-thresholding. This is
similar to how high-rate optical cables across the oceans work,
lots of high speed DSP to read the incoming terabit signal.
SAS may be intended as a means to make servers work better,
with multi-thread cache being a necessity, but exactly how
the disk drive could end up with 64000 outstanding requests
and have room in a 256MB or 512MB cache, that boggles the mind.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 21 Apr 2025 03:52:35 -0400, Paul
I don't believe projections like this. "The guy who owns a pony,
keeps drawing charts where the pony wins."
https://blocksandfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Wikibon-SSD-less-than-HDD-in-2026.jpg
I think I saw a similar graph that showed SSDs the same price as HDDs in 2030.
On 2025-04-20 22:55, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 20 Apr 2025 20:23:46 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
isible with a filter.
The gyroscopic effect when removing one from a test cady is very
noticeable. Surprised me.
I've thought about this. With all the harddrives spinning all over the
world, and the difficulty of changing their orientation, because of the
gyroscopic effect, isn't that going to interfere with the rotation of
the earth. And that will make days longer, and thus years will also be
longer.
Negligible compared to cars.
The reason you want your backup drive moved some distance from
the PC, is in case of a lightning hit.
While SAS exists and could in principle be put in your
home computer, I've yet to read an account where someone
claims they got a good result by doing this.
I don't
know exactly what is wrong, with using them. They should
work, but the transfer rates usually end up "sub-par".
It cannot transfer any faster than a SATA drive, in the
sense that the read channel at the platter can only go
so fast, which today is around ~300MB/sec best case.
While SAS exists and could in principle be put in your
home computer, I've yet to read an account where someone
claims they got a good result by doing this.
On Sun, 4/20/2025 10:38 PM, Ant wrote:
For me, I prefer cheaper and bigger old fashion HDDs over expensive
SSDs. I remember paying over 100 USD for a 5 TB USB3 ext. HDD from Costco.com and Amazon.com. I'm still waiting for SSDs to be match HDD on their prices and sizes.
I don't believe projections like this. "The guy who owns a pony,
keeps drawing charts where the pony wins."
https://blocksandfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Wikibon-SSD-less-than-HDD-in-2026.jpg
To bump the chart along, will require someone to make another
storage type. There was Optane, but the last devices shipped
cost $3000 each, to give some idea why they no longer exist
as a competitor. No denying it had nice characteristics
(it could be written at individual locations, rather than
large blocks).
Because the Optane had a speed advantage at one point, it forced
one of the NAND companies to reduce their latency by a factor of 2.
Which would never have happened, unless there was a faster pony
coming up from behind. I think everyone watching that, could
enjoy the humor of it. the other party, having to get off their
lazy butt and fix something. I don't think the lower latency
part, still ships today. And that's because of the process of
optimization, you squeeze every penny out of the thing, and
there is only one way to make the cheapest part. So the lower
latency just has to go.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 4/20/2025 10:38 PM, Ant wrote:
For me, I prefer cheaper and bigger old fashion HDDs over expensive
SSDs. I remember paying over 100 USD for a 5 TB USB3 ext. HDD from
Costco.com and Amazon.com. I'm still waiting for SSDs to be match HDD on >>> their prices and sizes.
I don't believe projections like this. "The guy who owns a pony,
keeps drawing charts where the pony wins."
https://blocksandfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Wikibon-SSD-less-than-HDD-in-2026.jpg
It says 2021 at the bottom. With stupid enforced traffics in USA, I doubt this will happen. :(
Paul wrote:
While SAS exists and could in principle be put in your
home computer, I've yet to read an account where someone
claims they got a good result by doing this.
The previous motherboard in my "server" had a single PCI-X slot (pre PCIe but wider and faster than PCI). I bought a cheapish 6 port SAS controller and used it with linux software RAID.
I won't even try to find whatever performance tests I did years ago, but I remember it favourably, and couldn't find a newer motherboard with PCI-X
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 20 Apr 2025 20:23:46 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
isible with a filter.
The gyroscopic effect when removing one from a test cady is very
noticeable. Surprised me.
I've thought about this. With all the harddrives spinning all over the world, and the difficulty of changing their orientation, because of the gyroscopic effect, isn't that going to interfere with the rotation of
the earth. And that will make days longer, and thus years will also be longer.
On Tue, 4/22/2025 1:58 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Paul wrote:
While SAS exists and could in principle be put in your
home computer, I've yet to read an account where someone
claims they got a good result by doing this.
The previous motherboard in my "server" had a single PCI-X slot (pre PCIe but wider and faster than PCI). I bought a cheapish 6 port SAS controller and used it with linux software RAID.
I won't even try to find whatever performance tests I did years ago, but I remember it favourably, and couldn't find a newer motherboard with PCI-X
I'm referring to the people who took the "SATA compatibility"
at face value, and they were attempting to run a SAS drive
off a SATA port.
The transfer rate did not seem to be correct,
or the performance level varied while the device was running.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 05:47:12 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 4/22/2025 1:58 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Paul wrote:
While SAS exists and could in principle be put in your
home computer, I've yet to read an account where someone
claims they got a good result by doing this.
The previous motherboard in my "server" had a single PCI-X slot (pre PCIe but wider and faster than PCI). I bought a cheapish 6 port SAS controller and used it with linux software RAID.
I won't even try to find whatever performance tests I did years ago, but I remember it favourably, and couldn't find a newer motherboard with PCI-X
I'm referring to the people who took the "SATA compatibility"
at face value, and they were attempting to run a SAS drive
off a SATA port.
To the best of my knowledge, you can't run a SAS drive on a SATA port,
but you can run a SATA drive on a SAS port.
The transfer rate did not seem to be correct,
or the performance level varied while the device was running.
That sounds like a basic misunderstanding of the technology.
SAS controller --> SATA drive = yes
SATA controller --> SAS drive = no
On 21/04/2025 6:55 am, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 20 Apr 2025 20:23:46 +0200, "CarlosAh!! Is that why, now-a-days, things seem to have shorter lives .... the
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
isible with a filter.
The gyroscopic effect when removing one from a test cady is very
noticeable. Surprised me.
I've thought about this. With all the harddrives spinning all over the
world, and the difficulty of changing their orientation, because of the
gyroscopic effect, isn't that going to interfere with the rotation of
the earth. And that will make days longer, and thus years will also be
longer.
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Ah!! Is that why, now-a-days, things seem to have shorter lives .... the
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this. I think
there were also articles in Scientific American and National Geographic
that confirm this.
IIRC longer days/years means Earth's orbit is becoming slower, which means farther from the sun.
I do remember hearing of something called "global
dimming".
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 21/04/2025 6:55 am, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 20 Apr 2025 20:23:46 +0200, "CarlosAh!! Is that why, now-a-days, things seem to have shorter lives .... the
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
isible with a filter.
The gyroscopic effect when removing one from a test cady is very
noticeable. Surprised me.
I've thought about this. With all the harddrives spinning all over the
world, and the difficulty of changing their orientation, because of the >>> gyroscopic effect, isn't that going to interfere with the rotation of
the earth. And that will make days longer, and thus years will also be
longer.
Yes, especially appliances.
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this. I think
there were also articles in Scientific American and National Geographic
that confirm this.
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this. I think there were also articles in Scientific American and National Geographic that confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I can without recourse
to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24 hours, and as a consequence is not the perfect sphere that it would be were this not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this. I think
there were also articles in Scientific American and National Geographic
that confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I can without recourse
to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24 hours, and as a
consequence is not the perfect sphere that it would be were this not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN.
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100WHY??
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70 >>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this.  I think >>>> there were also articles in Scientific American and National Geographic >>>> that confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I can without recourse >>> to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24 hours, and as a
consequence is not the perfect sphere that it would be were this not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN.
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100WHY??
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70 >>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this. I think >>>>> there were also articles in Scientific American and National Geographic >>>>> that confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I can without recourse >>>> to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24 hours, and as a
consequence is not the perfect sphere that it would be were this not so. >>> []
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN.
All christian religions and judaism would have to change the formula,
but not the definition.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Thu, 24 Apr 2025 22:37:00 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100WHY??
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70 >>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this.  I think
there were also articles in Scientific American and National Geographic >>>>>> that confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I can without recourse >>>>> to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24 hours, and as a
consequence is not the perfect sphere that it would be were this not so. >>>> []
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN. >>>>
All christian religions and judaism would have to change the formula,
but not the definition.
With the increased popularity of SSDs, we could prevent the need to
change the forumula by banning HDDs. Something the United Nations
should consider.
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100WHY??
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000,
Daniel70
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this.  I think >>>>> there were also articles in Scientific American and National
Geographic
that confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I can without
recourse
to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24 hours, and as a
consequence is not the perfect sphere that it would be were this not
so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN.
All christian religions and judaism would have to change the formula,
but not the definition.
On 25/04/2025 6:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:WHAT?? As I understand it, MOST Christian religions (Orthodox excluded,
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100WHY??
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000,
Daniel70
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this.  I >>>>>> think
there were also articles in Scientific American and National
Geographic
that confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I can without
recourse
to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24 hours, and as a
consequence is not the perfect sphere that it would be were this
not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN. >>>>
All christian religions and judaism would have to change the formula,
but not the definition.
I think) set Easter according to the first FULL MOON following the
(Northern) Spring Equinox.
If the Moon moves further away (or nearer), there will still be Full
MOONs .... so no change .... or no NEED for change.
On 2025-04-25 12:14, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/04/2025 6:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:WHAT?? As I understand it, MOST Christian religions (Orthodox
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100WHY??
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000,
Daniel70
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this.  I >>>>>>> think
there were also articles in Scientific American and National
Geographic
that confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I can without
recourse
to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24 hours, and as a >>>>>> consequence is not the perfect sphere that it would be were this
not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN. >>>>>
All christian religions and judaism would have to change the formula,
but not the definition.
excluded, I think) set Easter according to the first FULL MOON
following the (Northern) Spring Equinox.
If the Moon moves further away (or nearer), there will still be Full
MOONs .... so no change .... or no NEED for change.
But the full moon will happen on different days. The orbit changes, so
the formula changes.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_Easter#Algorithms>
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN.
On 25/04/2025 9:37 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-25 12:14, Daniel70 wrote:After a quick browse, from that site ....
On 25/04/2025 6:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:WHAT?? As I understand it, MOST Christian religions (Orthodox
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100WHY??
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000, >>>>>>>> Daniel70
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this.  I >>>>>>>> think
there were also articles in Scientific American and National
Geographic
that confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I can without
recourse
to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24 hours, and as a >>>>>>> consequence is not the perfect sphere that it would be were this >>>>>>> not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter,
RSN.
All christian religions and judaism would have to change the
formula, but not the definition.
excluded, I think) set Easter according to the first FULL MOON
following the (Northern) Spring Equinox.
If the Moon moves further away (or nearer), there will still be Full
MOONs .... so no change .... or no NEED for change.
But the full moon will happen on different days. The orbit changes, so
the formula changes.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_Easter#Algorithms>
Quote
One can easily see how conversion from day-of-March (22 to 56) to day- and-month (22 March to 25 April)
End Quote
Where does the 34 days (56 - 22) come from?? Is this assuming The Moon
drifts away from Earth so its orbit takes longer??
On 2025-04-25 15:32, Daniel70 wrote:
On 25/04/2025 9:37 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-25 12:14, Daniel70 wrote:After a quick browse, from that site ....
On 25/04/2025 6:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:WHAT?? As I understand it, MOST Christian religions (Orthodox
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100WHY??
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025 20:15:04 +1000, >>>>>>>> Daniel70
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has noticed this. I >>>>>>>> think
there were also articles in Scientific American and National >>>>>>>> Geographic
that confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I can without >>>>>>> recourse
to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24 hours, and as a >>>>>>> consequence is not the perfect sphere that it would be were this >>>>>>> not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, >>>>>> RSN.
All christian religions and judaism would have to change the
formula, but not the definition.
excluded, I think) set Easter according to the first FULL MOON
following the (Northern) Spring Equinox.
If the Moon moves further away (or nearer), there will still be Full
MOONs .... so no change .... or no NEED for change.
But the full moon will happen on different days. The orbit changes, so
the formula changes.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_Easter#Algorithms>
Quote
One can easily see how conversion from day-of-March (22 to 56) to day- and-month (22 March to 25 April)
End Quote
Where does the 34 days (56 - 22) come from?? Is this assuming The Moon drifts away from Earth so its orbit takes longer??
No. The algorithm runs with the current orbit assumptions.
On 2025-04-23 17:45, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN.
I think not RSN!
The timing of Easter has been a contentious issue throughout the history
of the Christian Faith, and, perhaps rather ironically to modern minds, unintentionally gave rise to modern science in the Enlightenment. Prof Simon Schaffer, in the first episode "Let There Be Light" of the BBC
Series "Light Fantastic", beginning 29:47 mins in, enters the Basilica
Santa Maria degli Angeli e dei Martiri in Rome, where he demonstrates
how a hole in the wall of the church allows light to fall on a brass
strip in the floor, that was used to determine the timing of the
seasons, and thus allow the correct calculation of Easter.
AFAICR, the series was shown nearly 20 years ago so is unlikely ever to
be available even to UK citizens via iPlayer unless the BBC "in their infinite wisdom" decide to repeat it. However, that actual clip is available to all, though sadly in atrocious quality, in YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVTdfVWp5Rk
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 20:20:34 +0200 "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-25 15:32, Daniel70 wrote:And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
On 25/04/2025 9:37 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-25 12:14, Daniel70 wrote:After a quick browse, from that site ....
On 25/04/2025 6:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:WHAT?? As I understand it, MOST Christian religions
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100 Java JiveWHY??
<java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025
20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has
noticed this. I think there were also articles in
Scientific American and National Geographic that
confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I
can without recourse to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24
hours, and as a consequence is not the perfect sphere
that it would be were this not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for
Easter, RSN.
All christian religions and judaism would have to change
the formula, but not the definition.
(Orthodox excluded, I think) set Easter according to the
first FULL MOON following the (Northern) Spring Equinox.
If the Moon moves further away (or nearer), there will still
be Full MOONs .... so no change .... or no NEED for change.
But the full moon will happen on different days. The orbit
changes, so the formula changes.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_Easter#Algorithms>
Quote One can easily see how conversion from day-of-March (22 to
56) to day- and-month (22 March to 25 April) End Quote
Where does the 34 days (56 - 22) come from?? Is this assuming The
Moon drifts away from Earth so its orbit takes longer??
No. The algorithm runs with the current orbit assumptions.
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame
me, I didn't start the religion.
On 2025-04-23 17:45, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN.
I think not RSN!
The timing of Easter has been a contentious issue throughout the history
of the Christian Faith, and, perhaps rather ironically to modern minds, unintentionally gave rise to modern science in the Enlightenment. Prof Simon Schaffer, in the first episode "Let There Be Light" of the BBC
Series "Light Fantastic", beginning 29:47 mins in, enters the Basilica
Santa Maria degli Angeli e dei Martiri in Rome, where he demonstrates
how a hole in the wall of the church allows light to fall on a brass
strip in the floor, that was used to determine the timing of the
seasons, and thus allow the correct calculation of Easter.
On 26/04/2025 4:04 am, Java Jive wrote:
On 2025-04-23 17:45, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for Easter, RSN.
I think not RSN!
The timing of Easter has been a contentious issue throughout the
history of the Christian Faith, and, perhaps rather ironically to
modern minds, unintentionally gave rise to modern science in the
Enlightenment. Prof Simon Schaffer, in the first episode "Let There
Be Light" of the BBC Series "Light Fantastic", beginning 29:47 mins
in, enters the Basilica Santa Maria degli Angeli e dei Martiri in
Rome, where he demonstrates how a hole in the wall of the church
allows light to fall on a brass strip in the floor, that was used to
determine the timing of the seasons, and thus allow the correct
calculation of Easter.
In a related (but unrelated) aspect, yesterday (April 25th) was
A.N.Z.A.C. Day in Australia and New Zealand celebrating a famous failure turned Victory in WWI (1915).
In Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, the commemorative A.N.Z.A.C. Day
March ends at The Shrine of Remembrance ...
https://www.google.com/maps/@-37.8264985,144.9652694,15z?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDQyMy4wIKXMDSoJLDEwMjExNDUzSAFQAw%3D%3D
where there is an aperture through the Roof/Celling which, at 11:00 on
11th Nov, a beam of light shines on an engraving ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine_of_Remembrance
Quote
The sanctuary contains the marble Stone of Remembrance, upon which is engraved the words "Greater love hath no man" (John 15:13); once per
year, on 11 November at 11 a.m. (Remembrance Day), a ray of sunlight
shines through an aperture in the roof to light up the word "Love" in
the inscription
End Quote
On 26/04/2025 7:02 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 20:20:34 +0200 "Carlos E.R."Ah!! Right! Thank you.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-25 15:32, Daniel70 wrote:And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
On 25/04/2025 9:37 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-25 12:14, Daniel70 wrote:After a quick browse, from that site ....
On 25/04/2025 6:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:WHAT?? As I understand it, MOST Christian religions
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100 Java JiveWHY??
<java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025
20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has
noticed this.  I think there were also articles in
Scientific American and National Geographic that
confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I
can without recourse to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24
hours, and as a consequence is not the perfect sphere
that it would be were this not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for
Easter, RSN.
All christian religions and judaism would have to change
the formula, but not the definition.
(Orthodox excluded, I think) set Easter according to the
first FULL MOON following the (Northern) Spring Equinox.
If the Moon moves further away (or nearer), there will still
be Full MOONs .... so no change .... or no NEED for change.
But the full moon will happen on different days. The orbit
changes, so the formula changes.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_Easter#Algorithms>
Quote One can easily see how conversion from day-of-March (22 to
56) to day- and-month (22 March to 25 April) End Quote
Where does the 34 days (56 - 22) come from?? Is this assuming The
Moon drifts away from Earth so its orbit takes longer??
No. The algorithm runs with the current orbit assumptions.
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame
me, I didn't start the religion.
On 26/04/2025 7:02 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 20:20:34 +0200 "Carlos E.R."Ah!! Right! Thank you.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-25 15:32, Daniel70 wrote:And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
On 25/04/2025 9:37 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-25 12:14, Daniel70 wrote:After a quick browse, from that site ....
On 25/04/2025 6:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:WHAT?? As I understand it, MOST Christian religions
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100 Java JiveWHY??
<java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025
20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has
noticed this.  I think there were also articles in
Scientific American and National Geographic that
confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I
can without recourse to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24
hours, and as a consequence is not the perfect sphere
that it would be were this not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth https://
www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for
Easter, RSN.
All christian religions and judaism would have to change
the formula, but not the definition.
(Orthodox excluded, I think) set Easter according to the
first FULL MOON following the (Northern) Spring Equinox.
If the Moon moves further away (or nearer), there will still
be Full MOONs .... so no change .... or no NEED for change.
But the full moon will happen on different days. The orbit
changes, so the formula changes.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_Easter#Algorithms>
Quote One can easily see how conversion from day-of-March (22 to
56) to day- and-month (22 March to 25 April) End Quote
Where does the 34 days (56 - 22) come from?? Is this assuming The
Moon drifts away from Earth so its orbit takes longer??
No. The algorithm runs with the current orbit assumptions.
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame
me, I didn't start the religion.
And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame me,
I didn't start the religion.
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 22:02:35 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
[snip]
And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame me,
I didn't start the religion.
The rule I heard (for Easter date) said "ecclesiastical full moon". I
don't know how that differs from the real full moon.
On 2025-04-26 11:44, Daniel70 wrote:algorithm to calculate the date of Easter Sunday for maybe two hundred years. I remember I used my programmable calculator (TI-57 or 58C) I had back then to run it.
On 26/04/2025 7:02 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 20:20:34 +0200 "Carlos E.R."Ah!! Right! Thank you.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-25 15:32, Daniel70 wrote:And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
On 25/04/2025 9:37 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-25 12:14, Daniel70 wrote:After a quick browse, from that site ....
On 25/04/2025 6:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:WHAT?? As I understand it, MOST Christian religions
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100 Java JiveWHY??
<java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025
20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has
noticed this.  I think there were also articles in
Scientific American and National Geographic that
confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I
can without recourse to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24
hours, and as a consequence is not the perfect sphere
that it would be were this not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth https:// www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for >>>>>>>>>> Easter, RSN.
All christian religions and judaism would have to change
the formula, but not the definition.
(Orthodox excluded, I think) set Easter according to the
first FULL MOON following the (Northern) Spring Equinox.
If the Moon moves further away (or nearer), there will still
be Full MOONs .... so no change .... or no NEED for change.
But the full moon will happen on different days. The orbit
changes, so the formula changes.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_Easter#Algorithms>
Quote One can easily see how conversion from day-of-March (22 to
56) to day- and-month (22 March to 25 April) End Quote
Where does the 34 days (56 - 22) come from?? Is this assuming The
Moon drifts away from Earth so its orbit takes longer??
No. The algorithm runs with the current orbit assumptions.
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame
me, I didn't start the religion.
I remember, long ago, I think that I was in high school, that the magazine Scientific American, here translated as Investigación y Ciencia (Investigation and Science) carried an article, perhaps on the section Mathematical Games, which described an
It seemed magic.
On 2025-04-26 21:24, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 22:02:35 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
[snip]
And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame me, >> I didn't start the religion.
The rule I heard (for Easter date) said "ecclesiastical full moon". I
don't know how that differs from the real full moon.
«An ecclesiastical full moon is formally the 14th day of the
ecclesiastical lunar month (an ecclesiastical moon) in an ecclesiastical lunar calendar. The ecclesiastical lunar calendar spans the year with
lunar months of 30 and 29 days which are intended to approximate the observed phases of the Moon.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_full_moon
On Sat, 4/26/2025 2:07 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:algorithm to calculate the date of Easter Sunday for maybe two hundred years. I remember I used my programmable calculator (TI-57 or 58C) I had back then to run it.
On 2025-04-26 11:44, Daniel70 wrote:
On 26/04/2025 7:02 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 20:20:34 +0200 "Carlos E.R."Ah!! Right! Thank you.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-25 15:32, Daniel70 wrote:And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
On 25/04/2025 9:37 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-25 12:14, Daniel70 wrote:After a quick browse, from that site ....
On 25/04/2025 6:37 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-24 12:56, Daniel70 wrote:WHAT?? As I understand it, MOST Christian religions
On 24/04/2025 2:45 am, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 00:37:07 +0100 Java JiveWHY??
<java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-22 21:52, micky wrote:[]
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Tue, 22 Apr 2025
20:15:04 +1000, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Days and Years are actually getting longer?? ;-P
Yes, exactly. So I'm not the only one who has
noticed this.  I think there were also articles in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Scientific American and National Geographic that
confirm this.
Let us explain this properly, or at least as best I
can without recourse to diagrams ...
The earth is spinning around its axis once every 24
hours, and as a consequence is not the perfect sphere
that it would be were this not so.
Why the Moon is getting further away from Earth https:// www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12311119
; So The Pope's minions will have to find a new formula for >>>>>>>>>>> Easter, RSN.
All christian religions and judaism would have to change
the formula, but not the definition.
(Orthodox excluded, I think) set Easter according to the
first FULL MOON following the (Northern) Spring Equinox.
If the Moon moves further away (or nearer), there will still
be Full MOONs .... so no change .... or no NEED for change.
But the full moon will happen on different days. The orbit
changes, so the formula changes.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_Easter#Algorithms>
Quote One can easily see how conversion from day-of-March (22 to
56) to day- and-month (22 March to 25 April) End Quote
Where does the 34 days (56 - 22) come from?? Is this assuming The
Moon drifts away from Earth so its orbit takes longer??
No. The algorithm runs with the current orbit assumptions.
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame
me, I didn't start the religion.
I remember, long ago, I think that I was in high school, that the magazine Scientific American, here translated as Investigación y Ciencia (Investigation and Science) carried an article, perhaps on the section Mathematical Games, which described an
It seemed magic.
That's probably a Martin Gardner article.
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 22:28:27 +0200
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-26 21:24, Mark Lloyd wrote:Luckily it the moon cycle (mostly) reoccurs after 19 years, to give
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 22:02:35 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
[snip]
And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame me, >>>> I didn't start the religion.
The rule I heard (for Easter date) said "ecclesiastical full moon". I
don't know how that differs from the real full moon.
«An ecclesiastical full moon is formally the 14th day of the
ecclesiastical lunar month (an ecclesiastical moon) in an ecclesiastical
lunar calendar. The ecclesiastical lunar calendar spans the year with
lunar months of 30 and 29 days which are intended to approximate the
observed phases of the Moon.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_full_moon
an algorithm that's OK for a few thousand years. But there's drift as the Moon Earth double planet system settles down. The Moon will fly off after
a bit, but not as dramatically as in MoonBase Alpha.
On 27/04/2025 8:36 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 22:28:27 +0200OH!!! BUT I saw it on T.V.!! It HAS to occur!! ;-P
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-26 21:24, Mark Lloyd wrote:Luckily it the moon cycle (mostly) reoccurs after 19 years, to give
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 22:02:35 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
[snip]
And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame me, >>>>> I didn't start the religion.
The rule I heard (for Easter date) said "ecclesiastical full moon". I
don't know how that differs from the real full moon.
«An ecclesiastical full moon is formally the 14th day of the
ecclesiastical lunar month (an ecclesiastical moon) in an ecclesiastical >>> lunar calendar. The ecclesiastical lunar calendar spans the year with
lunar months of 30 and 29 days which are intended to approximate the
observed phases of the Moon.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_full_moon
an algorithm that's OK for a few thousand years. But there's drift as the
Moon Earth double planet system settles down. The Moon will fly off after
a bit, but not as dramatically as in MoonBase Alpha.
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 22:28:27 +0200
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-26 21:24, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 22:02:35 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
[snip]
And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first
Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame me, >> >> I didn't start the religion.
The rule I heard (for Easter date) said "ecclesiastical full moon". I
don't know how that differs from the real full moon.
«An ecclesiastical full moon is formally the 14th day of the
ecclesiastical lunar month (an ecclesiastical moon) in an ecclesiastical
lunar calendar. The ecclesiastical lunar calendar spans the year with
lunar months of 30 and 29 days which are intended to approximate the
observed phases of the Moon.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_full_moon
Luckily it the moon cycle (mostly) reoccurs after 19 years, to give
an algorithm that's OK for a few thousand years. But there's drift as the >Moon Earth double planet system settles down.
The Moon will fly off after
a bit, but not as dramatically as in MoonBase Alpha.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 00:16:42 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 27/04/2025 8:36 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
Luckily it the moon cycle (mostly) reoccurs after 19 years, to giveOH!!! BUT I saw it on T.V.!! It HAS to occur!! ;-P
an algorithm that's OK for a few thousand years. But there's drift as the >>> Moon Earth double planet system settles down. The Moon will fly off after >>> a bit, but not as dramatically as in MoonBase Alpha.
But didn't it occur in Space? In 1999? That was a hell of a long time
ago. Didn't she come back after a couple of years? I seem to remember
the finale being a great return of Luna into Earth orbit.
There was another serial documentary which had a huge Moonbase full
of pretty girls. That one happened in 1980.
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to Jupiter.
We've had lots of Moonbases in the last thirty-odd years.
And everyone knows why the Computer in "2001" was called "HAL" don't
they?? ;-)
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to Jupiter.
We've had lots of Moonbases in the last thirty-odd years.
[snip]
And everyone knows why the Computer in "2001" was called "HAL" don't
they?? ;-)
IIRC, Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer.
We provide a special tax-reducing savings account for very rich people.
-30% interest.
Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
And everyone knows why the Computer in "2001" was called "HAL" don't
they?? ;-)
IIRC, Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer.
The urban legend is that it refers to 'IBM', shifted one letter. Don't know if there's any truth in that.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 00:16:42 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 27/04/2025 8:36 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 22:28:27 +0200OH!!! BUT I saw it on T.V.!! It HAS to occur!! ;-P
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-04-26 21:24, Mark Lloyd wrote:Luckily it the moon cycle (mostly) reoccurs after 19 years, to give
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 22:02:35 +0100, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
[snip]
And it varies by 34 days because Easter is declared to be the first >>>>>> Sunday after a Full Moon after the Spring Equinox . But don't blame me, >>>>>> I didn't start the religion.
The rule I heard (for Easter date) said "ecclesiastical full moon". I >>>>> don't know how that differs from the real full moon.
«An ecclesiastical full moon is formally the 14th day of the
ecclesiastical lunar month (an ecclesiastical moon) in an ecclesiastical >>>> lunar calendar. The ecclesiastical lunar calendar spans the year with
lunar months of 30 and 29 days which are intended to approximate the
observed phases of the Moon.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_full_moon
an algorithm that's OK for a few thousand years. But there's drift as the >>> Moon Earth double planet system settles down. The Moon will fly off after >>> a bit, but not as dramatically as in MoonBase Alpha.
But didn't it occur in Space? In 1999? That was a hell of a long time
ago. Didn't she come back after a couple of years? I seem to remember
the finale being a great return of Luna into Earth orbit.
There was another serial documentary which had a huge Moonbase full
of pretty girls. That one happened in 1980.
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to Jupiter.
We've had lots of Moonbases in the last thirty-odd years.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:22:49 +0100, John wrote:
[snip]
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to
Jupiter.
I remember seeing that movie in a theater in 1700. In the beginning when
they showed a bunch of apes grunting (before the appearance of TMA-0),
there was a caption saying "our forefathers" and several people laughed.
I've seen the movie a couple of dozen times since then and never noticed
the caption.
Maybe it was removed, something about too many people failing to
understand what "millions of years" means.
Another interesting bit was when an ape throws a bone into the sky and it seems to turn into a space station.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:22:49 +0100, John wrote:
[snip]
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to
Jupiter.
I remember seeing that movie in a theater in 1700.
In the beginning when
they showed a bunch of apes grunting (before the appearance of TMA-0),
there was a caption saying "our forefathers" and several people laughed.
I've seen the movie a couple of dozen times since then and never noticed
the caption.
Maybe it was removed, something about too many people failing to
understand what "millions of years" means.
Another interesting bit was when an ape throws a bone into the sky and it >seems to turn into a space station.
On 2025-04-29 19:48, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
And everyone knows why the Computer in "2001" was called "HAL" don't
they?? ;-)
IIRC, Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer.
The urban legend is that it refers to 'IBM', shifted one letter. Don't
know if there's any truth in that.
Arthur C. Clarke negated that, adamantly.
On 29/04/2025 6:22 am, John wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 00:16:42 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 27/04/2025 8:36 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
<Snip>
Luckily it the moon cycle (mostly) reoccurs after 19 years, to giveOH!!! BUT I saw it on T.V.!! It HAS to occur!! ;-P
an algorithm that's OK for a few thousand years. But there's drift as the >>>> Moon Earth double planet system settles down. The Moon will fly off after >>>> a bit, but not as dramatically as in MoonBase Alpha.
But didn't it occur in Space? In 1999? That was a hell of a long time
ago. Didn't she come back after a couple of years? I seem to remember
the finale being a great return of Luna into Earth orbit.
There was another serial documentary which had a huge Moonbase full
of pretty girls. That one happened in 1980.
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to
Jupiter.
We've had lots of Moonbases in the last thirty-odd years.
"last thirty-odd years"?? How about 55-odd years .... for "2001:A Space >Odyssey" ... for which I paid AU$75 for a (used/rental) Beta tape in
1981-2 .... and then brought a DVD of somewhere along the line.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_1
And everyone knows why the Computer in "2001" was called "HAL" don't
they?? ;-)
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:22:49 +0100, John wrote:
[snip]
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to
Jupiter.
I remember seeing that movie in a theater in 1700. In the beginning when
they showed a bunch of apes grunting (before the appearance of TMA-0),
there was a caption saying "our forefathers" and several people laughed.
I've seen the movie a couple of dozen times since then and never noticed
the caption.
Maybe it was removed, something about too many people failing to--
understand what "millions of years" means.
Another interesting bit was when an ape throws a bone into the sky and it seems to turn into a space station.
We've had lots of Moonbases in the last thirty-odd years.
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:22:49 +0100, John wrote:
[snip]
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to
Jupiter.
I remember seeing that movie in a theater in 1700. In the beginning when
they showed a bunch of apes grunting (before the appearance of TMA-0),
there was a caption saying "our forefathers" and several people laughed.
I've seen the movie a couple of dozen times since then and never noticed
the caption.
Maybe it was removed, something about too many people failing to
understand what "millions of years" means.
Another interesting bit was when an ape throws a bone into the sky and it >seems to turn into a space station.
We've had lots of Moonbases in the last thirty-odd years.
On 30/04/2025 3:21 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:22:49 +0100, John wrote:
[snip]
 And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to
Jupiter.
I remember seeing that movie in a theater in 1700. In the beginning when
they showed a bunch of apes grunting (before the appearance of TMA-0),
there was a caption saying "our forefathers" and several people laughed.
I've seen the movie a couple of dozen times since then and never noticed
the caption.
Thank you for mentioning this .... as it made me go looking at the web-site for a traditional Cinema .... and they're showing it on the Big Screen in June!! Beauty!!
https://www.astortheatre.net.au/sessions/2025-06-08-1530
On Tue, 4/29/2025 1:21 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
The movie has likely been re-cut or re-packaged a number of times since original filming.
"The film was re-released in 1974, 1977, 1980 and 1993.
In 2001, a restoration of the 70 mm version was screened..."
The framing and what is in the 70mm version versus the 35mm version,
would be different. As would the TV cropping versus what is seen in a
movie theater. Maybe you've seen other wide screen productions, where
the movie is ruined by the TV cropping, cutting all the detail off the
sides.
Paul
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:22:49 +0100, John wrote:
[snip]
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to
Jupiter.
I remember seeing that movie in a theater in 1700.
In the beginning when
they showed a bunch of apes grunting (before the appearance of TMA-0),
there was a caption saying "our forefathers" and several people laughed.
I've seen the movie a couple of dozen times since then and never noticed
the caption.
Maybe it was removed, something about too many people failing to
understand what "millions of years" means.
Another interesting bit was when an ape throws a bone into the sky and
it seems to turn into a space station.
We've had lots of Moonbases in the last thirty-odd years.
Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
And everyone knows why the Computer in "2001" was called "HAL" don't
they?? ;-)
IIRC, Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer.
The urban legend is that it refers to 'IBM', shifted one letter. Don't
know if there's any truth in that.
As that is 70mm, try not to sit in the first row of the theater.
You'll need to sit in the back, to avoid neck damage looking up and to
the side.
And remember, it's not Transformers. There are no explosions and car
chases.
Paul
On 30/04/2025 5:09 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-29 19:48, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
And everyone knows why the Computer in "2001" was called "HAL" don't >>>> they?? ;-)
IIRC, Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer.
The urban legend is that it refers to 'IBM', shifted one letter. Don't
know if there's any truth in that.
Arthur C. Clarke negated that, adamantly.
Oh, you Spoil Sport, Carlos!!
And, Frank, I thought the one letter shifting was to indicate HAL was (atleast) one better/before than IBM!! ;-)
It would have been interesting had the company hired some Bonobos for
that scene. Or, since it was Kunrick and he was a stickler for
authenticity, maybe they could have Time Travelled and brought in some Habilises? Or used Members of England's Parliament, which are just about
the same thing only less evolved?
Question: if alternative realities are real, as in the Multiverse
Theories, are all of those other "me's" legally me? Does that mean I
need to wait for all of the wives to die before I can remarry? Am I committing polygamy if I don't? Can I raid their bank accounts and
fridges? Can I shoot people here and claim that, statistically and numerically, no one died because millions and millions and quadrilliards
of him are still alive so the dead one is just a tiny, little blip and
of no consequence? Has anyone ever tried that one? Is this Off Topic? :)
Thank you for mentioning this .... as it made me go looking at the web-site for a traditional Cinema .... and they're showing it on the Big Screen in June!! Beauty!!
https://www.astortheatre.net.au/sessions/2025-06-08-1530
As that is 70mm, try not to sit in the first row of the theater.
You'll need to sit in the back, to avoid neck damage looking up
and to the side.
On 29 Apr 2025 17:21:55 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:22:49 +0100, John wrote:
[snip]
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that. There
was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a human-filled ship to
Jupiter.
I remember seeing that movie in a theater in 1700.
Kudos to you! I barely remember what I was doing in 1800, let alone
1700.
Same for me, but in 2000. :P
On Wed, 4/30/2025 10:32 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 30/04/2025 3:21 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:22:49 +0100, John wrote:
[snip]
And there was TMA-1 in 2001 or a couple of years before that.
There was at least one Moonbase then, too, as well as a
human-filled ship to Jupiter.
I remember seeing that movie in a theater in 1700. In the
beginning when they showed a bunch of apes grunting (before the
appearance of TMA-0), there was a caption saying "our
forefathers" and several people laughed. I've seen the movie a
couple of dozen times since then and never noticed the caption.
Thank you for mentioning this .... as it made me go looking at the
web-site for a traditional Cinema .... and they're showing it on
the Big Screen in June!! Beauty!!
https://www.astortheatre.net.au/sessions/2025-06-08-1530
As that is 70mm, try not to sit in the first row of the theater.
You'll need to sit in the back, to avoid neck damage looking up and
to the side.
And remember, it's not Transformers. There are no explosions and car
chases.
Paul
* even more OT: A truncheon is an edged weapon used for cutting people's heads off.
On 2/05/2025 2:46 am, Sam E wrote:
<Snip>
* even more OT: A truncheon is an edged weapon used for cuttingREALLY?? I thought truncheons were the wood things the British Bobby's (police) carry to whack people with!
people's heads off.
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
...
Thank you for mentioning this .... as it made me go looking at the web-site >>> for a traditional Cinema .... and they're showing it on the Big Screen in June!! Beauty!!
https://www.astortheatre.net.au/sessions/2025-06-08-1530
As that is 70mm, try not to sit in the first row of the theater.
You'll need to sit in the back, to avoid neck damage looking up
and to the side.
Also, the annoying shaking picture. I remember with my local AMC Theatre
for Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull movie since we got there late
(no reserved seats). :(
On 2025-05-01 00:24, Ant wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
...
Thank you for mentioning this .... as it made me go looking at the web-site
for a traditional Cinema .... and they're showing it on the Big Screen in June!! Beauty!!
https://www.astortheatre.net.au/sessions/2025-06-08-1530
As that is 70mm, try not to sit in the first row of the theater.
You'll need to sit in the back, to avoid neck damage looking up
and to the side.
Also, the annoying shaking picture. I remember with my local AMC Theatre
for Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull movie since we got there late
(no reserved seats). :(
Shaking? Either the film was badly damaged, or the projector machine was not adjusted properly, and the projectionist was not checking the screen.
Baaad. Sloppy. Never happened to me.
On 2025-05-01 00:24, Ant wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
...
Thank you for mentioning this .... as it made me go looking at the web-site
for a traditional Cinema .... and they're showing it on the Big Screen in June!! Beauty!!
https://www.astortheatre.net.au/sessions/2025-06-08-1530
As that is 70mm, try not to sit in the first row of the theater.
You'll need to sit in the back, to avoid neck damage looking up
and to the side.
Also, the annoying shaking picture. I remember with my local AMC Theatre for Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull movie since we got there late
(no reserved seats). :(
Shaking? Either the film was badly damaged, or the projector machine was
not adjusted properly, and the projectionist was not checking the screen.
Baaad. Sloppy. Never happened to me.
On Sun, 5/4/2025 9:23 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-05-01 00:24, Ant wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
...
Thank you for mentioning this .... as it made me go looking at the web-site
for a traditional Cinema .... and they're showing it on the Big Screen in June!! Beauty!!
https://www.astortheatre.net.au/sessions/2025-06-08-1530
As that is 70mm, try not to sit in the first row of the theater.
You'll need to sit in the back, to avoid neck damage looking up
and to the side.
Also, the annoying shaking picture. I remember with my local AMC Theatre >>> for Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull movie since we got there late
(no reserved seats). :(
Shaking? Either the film was badly damaged, or the projector machine was not adjusted properly, and the projectionist was not checking the screen.
Baaad. Sloppy. Never happened to me.
Things like that happen, in a "Ten-Plex". we have
some theaters here, with ten viewing rooms. This
means for low-grade schlock movies, you're sitting
in a relatively small ("narrow") viewing room. Maybe only
one room at the Ten-Plex is suited to "feature" items
or things like 70mm. The operator in those facilities,
back in the regular projection days, was run off his
feet, loading cans and queuing up stuff.
Modern theaters have replaced all that, with full
digital projection. And that has changed the failure
modes somewhat. You might find conventional
projectors at art theaters, where the film still
arrives in cans. Some of the movies, the content is
so poor, it's a good thing the digital representation
can be immediately deleted, after a limited run :-)
On some long running TV series, they were erasing the
storage used for the first season, and using it to
store a succeeding season, leading to complete loss
of any copies of the early versions. The advent of
film-less photography, encourages all sorts of
silly behavior.
On Sat, 3 May 2025 22:39:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:
On 2/05/2025 2:46 am, Sam E wrote:
<Snip>
* even more OT: A truncheon is an edged weapon used for cuttingREALLY?? I thought truncheons were the wood things the British Bobby's
people's heads off.
(police) carry to whack people with!
That was the first definition I heard (from my mother, who worked in a library at the time). I looked it up just now, and found both definitions. Yours was listed first.
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 16:19:09 +0100, John wrote:
[snip]
It would have been interesting had the company hired some Bonobos for
that scene. Or, since it was Kunrick and he was a stickler for
authenticity, maybe they could have Time Travelled and brought in some
Habilises? Or used Members of England's Parliament, which are just about
the same thing only less evolved?
That reminds me of something I found on the internet that says the moon landing was faked. It was filmed by Stanley Kubrick. It then goes on to
say that he insisted on filming on location.
[snip]
On 4/05/2025 5:18 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Sat, 3 May 2025 22:39:42 +1000, Daniel70 wrote:Could it be 'the shape of the thing'?? Does a Coppers Truncheon have a similar shape to the Edged Weapon??
On 2/05/2025 2:46 am, Sam E wrote:
<Snip>
* even more OT: A truncheon is an edged weapon used for cuttingREALLY?? I thought truncheons were the wood things the British Bobby's
people's heads off.
(police) carry to whack people with!
That was the first definition I heard (from my mother, who worked in a
library at the time). I looked it up just now, and found both definitions. >> Yours was listed first.
W/R Old computer
 - image backups are a good idea. Also necessary to consider that an
image backup may not have all desired/harvest-able data and other
important files(program installers, music, photos)
On 05/15/2025 7:33 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/04/2025 1:28 am, ...winston wrote:While an image back up is good for a business, a data back up seems to
<Snip>
W/R Old computerWhy NOT?? Surely an Image Back-up is an 'image' of the Drives File
  - image backups are a good idea. Also necessary to consider that an
image backup may not have all desired/harvest-able data and other
important files(program installers, music, photos)
contents AT THAT TIME.
be a better idea for the individual.  By doing a data back up, in the worse case, the individual has a chance to review the software he has installed, and reinstall with a current version if he still needs that software.
This is the same as moving to a new house. Since everything in the old house has to be removed, the move gives you a chance to review
everything and throw out what you do not need any more.
On 05/15/2025 7:33 AM, Daniel70 wrote:current version if he still needs that software.
On 22/04/2025 1:28 am, ...winston wrote:While an image back up is good for a business, a data back up seems to be a better idea for the individual.  By doing a data back up, in the worse case, the individual has a chance to review the software he has installed, and reinstall with a
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W/R Old computerWhy NOT?? Surely an Image Back-up is an 'image' of the Drives File contents AT THAT TIME.
  - image backups are a good idea. Also necessary to consider that an image backup may not have all desired/harvest-able data and other important files(program installers, music, photos)
This is the same as moving to a new house. Since everything in the old house has to be removed, the move gives you a chance to review everything and throw out what you do not need any more.
On 05/15/2025 7:33 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/04/2025 1:28 am, ...winston wrote:While an image back up is good for a business, a data back up seems to
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W/R Old computerWhy NOT?? Surely an Image Back-up is an 'image' of the Drives File
  - image backups are a good idea. Also necessary to consider that an
image backup may not have all desired/harvest-able data and other
important files(program installers, music, photos)
contents AT THAT TIME.
be a better idea for the individual.  By doing a data back up, in the worse case, the individual has a chance to review the software he has installed, and reinstall with a current version if he still needs that software.
This is the same as moving to a new house. Since everything in the old house has to be removed, the move gives you a chance to review
everything and throw out what you do not need any more.
On 15/05/2025 9:41 pm, knuttle wrote:
On 05/15/2025 7:33 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/04/2025 1:28 am, ...winston wrote:While an image back up is good for a business, a data back up seems to
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W/R Old computerWhy NOT?? Surely an Image Back-up is an 'image' of the Drives File
- image backups are a good idea. Also necessary to consider that an
image backup may not have all desired/harvest-able data and other
important files(program installers, music, photos)
contents AT THAT TIME.
be a better idea for the individual. By doing a data back up, in the worse case, the individual has a chance to review the software he has installed, and reinstall with a current version if he still needs that software.
.... which is, sort of, why I had my old Win7 Laptop set up the way I did.
C:\ Drive was for Win7 System stuff.
D:\ Drive was for executables *I* installed (Browser, LOffice, etc)
E:\ Drive was for Data (e-mail, Letters, Games, etc)
But so many programs wanted to go where THEY wanted to go, not where I wanted!!
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/04/2025 1:28 am, ...winston wrote:
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W/R Old computerWhy NOT?? Surely an Image Back-up is an 'image' of the Drives File
  - image backups are a good idea. Also necessary to consider that an
image backup may not have all desired/harvest-able data and other
important files(program installers, music, photos)
contents AT THAT TIME.
Not every single user's system/device has everything on the main disk.
- believing that every main disk holds everything(os/data/etc.) or that
one's own device is like everyone else is too narrow, akin to tunnel
vision.
As noted earlier...image backups are a good idea but not necessarily all-inclusive.
On 16/05/2025 4:27 am, ...winston wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/04/2025 1:28 am, ...winston wrote:
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W/R Old computerWhy NOT?? Surely an Image Back-up is an 'image' of the Drives File
- image backups are a good idea. Also necessary to consider that an
image backup may not have all desired/harvest-able data and other
important files(program installers, music, photos)
contents AT THAT TIME.
Not every single user's system/device has everything on the main disk.
In that case, 'they' shouldn't be talking about DISK (Main or Otherwise)
but DISKS!!
- believing that every main disk holds everything(os/data/etc.) or that one's own device is like everyone else is too narrow, akin to tunnel vision.
As noted earlier...image backups are a good idea but not necessarily all-inclusive.
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