there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s >> email service from
competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your
messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and
it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
Not, that is, until money runs low and the T.mail owners sell out to
some advertising agency; who then floods the thing with ads.
And, how long will it take before that arises?
At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience
similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new Thundermail accounts they sign up for.
... The service will also allow using
your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
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At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience
similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using
your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from
competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and
it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
<https://thundermail.com/>
James wrote:
At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider,
eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience
similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new
Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using
your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
there¢s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla¢s email service from
competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn¢t going to use your
messages to train AI, it¢s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and
it¢s not going to harvest and sell your data.
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
<https://thundermail.com/>
... until they decide they can monetize it better by adding AI.
actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail?
James <invalid@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
... The service will also allow using your own custom domain (e.g.
your.name@yourdomain.com).
Really?
kyonshi wrote:
actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail?
Mozilla devs. More explained in the above blog.
At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience
similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using
your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from
competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
<https://thundermail.com/>
At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, >eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience
similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new >Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using
your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
there�s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla�s email service from
competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn�t going to use your >messages to train AI, it�s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and >it�s not going to harvest and sell your data.
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
<https://thundermail.com/>
Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of
the service."
At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience
similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using
your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s
email service from competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
<https://thundermail.com/>
VanguardLH wrote:
kyonshi wrote:
actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail?
Mozilla devs. More explained in the above blog.
Mozilla devs, or MZLA devs?
I realise a few years ago they had reasons to separate them off, does it serve a purpose today to keep them separate?
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of
the service."
I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to a
firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
kyonshi wrote:
actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail?
Mozilla devs. More explained in the above blog.
Mozilla devs, or MZLA devs?
I realise a few years ago they had reasons to separate them off, does it
serve a purpose today to keep them separate?
Po-tay-to. Po-tah-to. Saying it was your foot that kicked me, and not
you, makes no difference to my butt. Organization hierarchy is of
interest to managerial types, not to me. It's ALL Mozilla to me.
On 22/04/2025 2:53 am, s|b wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:"GDPR"?? Thank you, Google and Wikipedia
Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of
the service."
I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to a
firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
"General Data Protection Regulation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
You know that Mozilla is packing a parachute right now.
The last article I read two hours ago, is looking at
Google having to ditch Chrome as a part of the DOJ
remedy, and the Mozilla contract got an honorable mention as
part of the solution as well.
If Mozilla is going into the poor house, this is why
they're working on their own self-sustaining business
opportunities (no matter what their corporate structure
is, and how they would morph in view of the potential outcome).
They will have to "shed something" and "belt tighten" and
change their corporate structure and charter.
It used to be, they practiced their business opportunities
as a bit of a lark, but now it's crunch time. A donation model
would never work.
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
You know that Mozilla is packing a parachute right now.
The last article I read two hours ago, is looking at
Google having to ditch Chrome as a part of the DOJ
remedy, and the Mozilla contract got an honorable mention as
part of the solution as well.
If Mozilla is going into the poor house, this is why
they're working on their own self-sustaining business
opportunities (no matter what their corporate structure
is, and how they would morph in view of the potential outcome).
They will have to "shed something" and "belt tighten" and
change their corporate structure and charter.
It used to be, they practiced their business opportunities
as a bit of a lark, but now it's crunch time. A donation model
would never work.
Yep, I've noted before that Google is getting nailed for bribing web
browser authors, and other anti-trust marketing practices with their
grip on online advertising. Mozilla could lose 97% of their revenue
that comes from Google. That's why all those services from Mozilla are unlikely to [remain to] be free. They won't be able to afford any
further altruism. The tit goes dry, and entitled users whine louder.
If Google has to decouple from Chromium, can the rest of the Chromium
dev team keep producing a competitive, up to date, and secure web
browser into the future? Chromium is developed and maintained by
Google. With Google gone, who is left to work on Chromium are a group
of devs unknown and unrecognized by the vast majority of users. Chromium doesn't have automatic updates, API keys for Google services (e.g.,
browser sync), Widevine DRM, licensed codecs for H.264 and AAC, crash reporting, etc. Chrome is oriented to a consumer market. Chromium is oriented to a much smaller more expert/nerd community. Ask your friends
to see how many use Chromium. Chromium never shows up in browser market share statistics.
If Google has to walk away from Chromium, who is left in its dev team? Chromium has been a Google project from its inception. Google does the
vast bulk of development on Chromium. The Chromium projects (Chromium
and ChromeOS) are not independent of Google. Some of the other
contributors have been Microsoft, Intel, Samsung, and variant authors,
like Opera, Vivaldi, and Brave. Of those, and after Google, Microsoft
is the next biggest powerhouse, so, gee, might we end up with Microsoft Chrome? Well, there's already Edge-C (Edge that became a Chromium
variant after Microsoft dropped EdgeHTML).
Without Google to pay Mozilla, Mozilla won't have the financial strength anymore to continue the current level of development. Firefox might get
more market share, but Mozilla becomes much weaker. If Google decouples
from Chrome, could be Chromium loses their major developer along with
all its services, so Chromium also becomes much weaker. No sponsors, no money. No money, no development. Programmers need to eat, too.
GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants. Trying
to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
with their web site becomes much more difficult. Yeah, they want to
provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
hide. Thanks GDPR ... not!
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:[...]
GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants. Trying
to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
with their web site becomes much more difficult. Yeah, they want to provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
hide. Thanks GDPR ... not!
A decent website will a contact option. You should not have to be forced to give out personal information via a WHOIS lookup.
So yes, thanks GDPR.
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
<https://thundermail.com/>
On 20/04/2025 20:15, James wrote:
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
<https://thundermail.com/>
Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-)
Only things I use IMAP email for are Amazon and Craigslist. Otherwise, I >prefer my email to be downloaded onto my system (POP) so that I can read
it when I'm offline.
On 23/04/2025 00:15, Robert wrote:
On 20/04/2025 20:15, James wrote:
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
<https://thundermail.com/>
Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-)
It's already released :)
<https://www.bettermail.com/>
VanguardLH wrote:
GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants. Trying
to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
with their web site becomes much more difficult. Yeah, they want to
provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
hide. Thanks GDPR ... not!
Can't say that I've noticed any such problem - I just use Whois -
so I suspect that this is just another example of someone from the
other side of the pond having an uninformed opinion against the EU
and its legislation.
"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
Only things I use IMAP email for are Amazon and Craigslist.
Otherwise, I prefer my email to be downloaded onto my system (POP)
so that I can read it when I'm offline.
I've been using IMAP for decades and two things are true:
- my email is downloaded to my PCs and my phone
- my email is still available when I'm offline
GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.
Trying to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to
a problem with their web site becomes much more difficult.
Yeah, they want to provide a publicly accessible web site, but
the registrant wants to hide. Thanks GDPR ... not!
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants. Trying
to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
with their web site becomes much more difficult. Yeah, they want to
provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
hide. Thanks GDPR ... not!
Can't say that I've noticed any such problem - I just use Whois -
so I suspect that this is just another example of someone from the
other side of the pond having an uninformed opinion against the EU
and its legislation.
I meant domain lookups, not DNS lookups. When did you last do a WhoIs
lookup on a domain?
If you need to complain about a domain's behaviour, spamming or
whatever, if you don't get any joy from the contacts given out by the
website itself or the generally accepted default contacts, usually it
is sufficient to complain next to the Registrant; ...
As for wishing to complain about the actual functionality of a website,
any reputable business will be at least somewhat interested if their
website is causing their customers or users difficulties, after all it's
the modern equivalent of their retail premises or shop window. If their
site is causing sufficient problems to sufficient numbers of people,
they'd be foolish to ignore the problem, as it will likely adversely
affect their business bottom line.
More generally, often you don't need to know the actual site ownership details to work out what you need to know about a it.
A worthwhile website will have contact information you can use for this,
if they don't, their problem.
Most people browsing wouldn't bother to notify a site owner if their
site was so completely down that no contact details could even be
loaded, but if someone is sufficiently motivated to do so, they could
send the site a message via the registrar, asking them to pass it on.
Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
If you need to complain about a domain's behaviour, spamming or
whatever, if you don't get any joy from the contacts given out by the
website itself or the generally accepted default contacts, usually it
is sufficient to complain next to the Registrant; ...
Presumably you meant the registrar.
I'm not trying to report an abusive web site. I'm trying to contact its registrant to report a problem with the web site, like it is not
responsive, it may be hacked (e.g., a popup appears mentioning infection which is ransomware), or otherwise trying to help the registrant with
their web site. Too many owners don't monitor their sites nor use tools
to notify them when it is down. They don't know there is a problem
until someone tells them. That is when contacting them phone or e-mail
can notify them.
As for wishing to complain about the actual functionality of a website,
any reputable business will be at least somewhat interested if their
website is causing their customers or users difficulties, after all it's
the modern equivalent of their retail premises or shop window. If their
site is causing sufficient problems to sufficient numbers of people,
they'd be foolish to ignore the problem, as it will likely adversely
affect their business bottom line.
How would they know?
More generally, often you don't need to know the actual site ownership
details to work out what you need to know about a it.
Some web sites won't provide phone numbers, postal addresses, or e-mail addresses, but supply a web form to contact them. However, if the web
site is down, obviously you cannot use their web form. You also cannot
get any contact info published at the web site, because it is down. So,
what are you left with? Postmaster and webmaster e-mail address that
are often worthless, or to lookup the domain registrant to see if you
can contact them that way.
Robert wrote:
James wrote:
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
<https://thundermail.com/>
Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-)
It's already released :)
<https://www.bettermail.com/>
That's their choice. You don't have a right to be able to contact them.
No wonder look-alike domains (using UTF8 characters instead of ASCII)
don't get killed right away.
No wonder look-alike domains (using UTF8 characters instead of
ASCII) don't get killed right away.
How does that work?
Actually, and for registrars under the GDPR's thumb, the registrars
*must* redact the registration info. It is NOT their customer's choice.
You *still* have no clue what you are talking about.
On 24/04/2025 17:37, R.Wieser wrote:
You *still* have no clue what you are talking about.
For god's sake leave him alone.
He is not a resident of Europe and so all he can do is to
make up things as he goes along
and hopefully something will hit the mark.
None of you have any clues as to what the topic was about in
the subject matter.
"Send email to thousands within minutes". They're oriented to customers
that want to do bulk mailing, like spammers, and marketfolk.
BetterMail and Betterbird are not affiliated to each other.
Philip,
No wonder look-alike domains (using UTF8 characters instead of
ASCII) don't get killed right away.
How does that work?
Look-alike domains using UTF8 characters ?
Its (too) simple. There are a lot of UTF8 characters that, to us humans, >look almost, if not completely the same as standard ASCII characters.
Pretty-much the same as "o" and "ö" in the normal ASCII range (the last one >has two dots above it), but worse.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
NZ Rules OK wrote:
Robert wrote:
James wrote:
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
<https://thundermail.com/>
Maybe I'll sign up when they announce BetterMail ;-)
It's already released :)
<https://www.bettermail.com/>
Not free, but then neither will be Thundermail.
https://www.bettermail.com/pricing/
"Send email to thousands within minutes". They're oriented to customers
that want to do bulk mailing, like spammers, and marketfolk.
BetterMail and Betterbird are not affiliated to each other.
Helpful - thanks!
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VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 22/04/2025 2:53 am, s|b wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:"GDPR"?? Thank you, Google and Wikipedia
Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of
the service."
I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to a
firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
"General Data Protection Regulation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants. Trying
to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
with their web site becomes much more difficult. Yeah, they want to
provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
hide. Thanks GDPR ... not!
A decent website will a contact option. You should not have to be forced to give out personal information via a WHOIS lookup.
So yes, thanks GDPR.
On 22/04/2025 14:58, Chris wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 22/04/2025 2:53 am, s|b wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:"GDPR"?? Thank you, Google and Wikipedia
Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of >>>>>> the service."
I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to a >>>>> firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
"General Data Protection Regulation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants. Trying
to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
with their web site becomes much more difficult. Yeah, they want to
provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
hide. Thanks GDPR ... not!
A decent website will a contact option. You should not have to be forced to >> give out personal information via a WHOIS lookup.
So yes, thanks GDPR.
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.
Never click links nor run software from someone you don't know supposedly trying to help.
On Sat, 5/3/2025 9:50 AM, David wrote:
On 22/04/2025 14:58, Chris wrote:Redaction of contact information is a good thing.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 22/04/2025 2:53 am, s|b wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:"GDPR"?? Thank you, Google and Wikipedia
Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 >>>>>>> of the service."
I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to >>>>>> a firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
"General Data Protection Regulation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.Â
Trying to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a
problem with their web site becomes much more difficult. Yeah, they
want to provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant
wants to hide. Thanks GDPR ... not!
A decent website will a contact option. You should not have to be
forced to give out personal information via a WHOIS lookup.
So yes, thanks GDPR.
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.
Never click links nor run software from someone you don't know
supposedly trying to help.
(It's a tradeoff caused by the world we live in.)
a guy on USENET, had his computer room wiped out by ransomware.
How was he selected ? He registered a web domain with GoDaddy, showing
his personal information. he wasn't cloaked.
One day, an email arrived, with a "bill" attached from GoDaddy.
except, the email wasn't actually from GoDaddy. It was from a Black Hat.
The Black Hat scanned GoDaddy and extracted all the email addresses. The attachment on the email is actually an executable ransomware. All you
need to do is double click it, thinking it is a PDF.
The code included a
worm,
so the code could attack all the computers.
On Sat, 3 May 2025 14:39:20 -0400, Paul wrote:
On Sat, 5/3/2025 9:50 AM, David wrote:
On 22/04/2025 14:58, Chris wrote:Redaction of contact information is a good thing.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
On 22/04/2025 2:53 am, s|b wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:"GDPR"?? Thank you, Google and Wikipedia
Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 >>>>>>>> of the service."
I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to >>>>>>> a firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
"General Data Protection Regulation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.
Trying to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a >>>>> problem with their web site becomes much more difficult. Yeah, they >>>>> want to provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant
wants to hide. Thanks GDPR ... not!
A decent website will a contact option. You should not have to be
forced to give out personal information via a WHOIS lookup.
So yes, thanks GDPR.
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.
Never click links nor run software from someone you don't know
supposedly trying to help.
(It's a tradeoff caused by the world we live in.)
a guy on USENET, had his computer room wiped out by ransomware.
How was he selected ? He registered a web domain with GoDaddy, showing
his personal information. he wasn't cloaked.
One day, an email arrived, with a "bill" attached from GoDaddy.
except, the email wasn't actually from GoDaddy. It was from a Black Hat.
The Black Hat scanned GoDaddy and extracted all the email addresses. The
attachment on the email is actually an executable ransomware. All you
need to do is double click it, thinking it is a PDF.
Could that attachment have had a name like:
bill.pdf.exe
And Windows hid the extension, making it look like:
bill.pdf
Windows would still know that the extension was exe even though it looked like a pdf. That makes it look like M$ made a bad decision.
David <BD@invalid.now> wrote:[...]
On 22/04/2025 14:58, Chris wrote:
A decent website will a contact option. You should not have to be forced to
give out personal information via a WHOIS lookup.
So yes, thanks GDPR.
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.
Never click links nor run software from someone you don't know
supposedly trying to help.
I'm glad you at least learned something today...
At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience
similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using
your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
...
You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!: <https://thundermail.com/>
On 21/4/2025 3:15 am, James wrote:
there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from
competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your
messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and
it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
Sooner or later a betrayal of trust will happen suddenly... :)
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 507 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 184:48:48 |
| Calls: | 9,958 |
| Files: | 13,825 |
| Messages: | 6,355,759 |