• Bypass Recycle Bin

    From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 18:00:17 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Apr 25 13:28:39 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together. Cool.

    Ed

    Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
    You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
    then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
    "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.

    I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
    only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
    to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
    be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.

    The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
    than that, because no animation is required for that method.

    Paul

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 18:39:17 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

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  • From John K.Eason@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Apr 25 19:06:00 2025
    In article <vugf3f$df6v$1@dont-email.me>, ed@somewhere.in.the.uk (Ed Cryer) wrote:

    *From:* Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
    *Date:* Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100

    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can
    be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
    Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the _Shift_ and _Delete_ keys
    together.
    Cool.

    I've been using it since at least W95 here, but don't get into the habit of doing
    it without thinking! That can be somewhat disastrous! :^)

    --
    Regards
    John

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to John K.Eason on Fri Apr 25 18:20:11 2025
    John K.Eason <john@jeasonnospam.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <vugf3f$df6v$1@dont-email.me>, ed@somewhere.in.the.uk (Ed Cryer) wrote:

    *From:* Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
    *Date:* Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100

    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can
    be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the _Shift_ and _Delete_ keys
    together.
    Cool.

    I've been using it since at least W95 here, but don't get into the
    habit of doing it without thinking! That can be somewhat disastrous!
    :^)

    Well, as long as you don't disable the "Are you sure ..." popup,
    you'll be fine. That is, unless you press the 'enter' key, because 'Yes'
    is the default! :-)

    FWIW, I do the same in my Thunderbird Inbox.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Apr 25 14:46:09 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
    Cool.

    Ed

    Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
    You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
    then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
    "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.

    I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
    only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
    to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
    be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.

    The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
    than that, because no animation is required for that method.

        Paul

    What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
    Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
    (:-


    Ed

    Win10 C:\Windows\servicing\LCU

    That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
    of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.

    That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
    It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
    (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).

    It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
    time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
    of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.

    Win11 doesn't have an LCU.

    Paul

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Apr 25 12:51:28 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be
    holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
    Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the ?Shift? and ?Delete? keys together.
    Cool.

    This is a great illustration of why it's nice to post these little
    hacks. I thought everybody knew about Shift+Del, but I was wrong.

    Unless you're doing really massive deletes, another option is to
    right-click Recycle Bin and open Properties. Uncheck (untick)
    "Display delete confirmation dialog". Then things you delete with the
    plain Del key or Delete menu selection will be deleted without a
    confirmation prompt, but to the Recycle Bin so if you make an oops
    you can easily recover.


    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 20:16:22 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Apr 25 16:11:32 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 3:16 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way. >>>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
    Cool.

    Ed

    Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
    You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
    then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
    "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.

    I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
    only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
    to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
    be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.

    The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
    than that, because no animation is required for that method.

         Paul

    What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
    Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
    (:-


    Ed

    Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU

    That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
    of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.

    That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
    It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
    (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).

    It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
    time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
    of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.

    Win11 doesn't have an LCU.

        Paul

    Jeez, yes. That's new to me, but mine contains 2 1/4GB* of stuff.
    Can I safely delete it?

    Ed

    * I'm favouring pre-decimal terminology. This is in support of paper money which is disappearing in the UK so rapidly in favour of plastic cards that it'll probably be obsolete in a few years.


    I don't know what the "re-use" method is, so I can't say
    whether it has ever been used/needed by Microsoft. Microsoft did
    do a rollback recently, as a cure for some crashing systems (kernel
    level issue).

    "In the worst-case scenario, you may be unable to uninstall
    the latest quality update. But I don't think deleting an LCU subfolder
    is as risky as deleting a folder under WinSxS or Servicing\Packages.
    _________________________
    Ramesh, Windows Shell MVP
    "

    https://superuser.com/questions/1810433/c-windows-servicing-lcu-slowing-down-servers-and-workstations-mitigate-automat

    I would do a Repair Install, the first time it causes an issue. And there
    is always RevertPending if something blows up before the Patch Tuesday finished.

    At one time, it was claimed you could delete the contents of WinSxS
    (and at least, have the OS still able to boot, but not be "maintain-able"),
    but when I tested that here, it would not boot after that. Whereas, at least
    so far, the LCU cleaning (removing the Packages underneath that folder),
    has worked OK for me. That doesn't mean it's a good thing to do, but
    if they think so highly of their handicraft, why don't they put that
    crap in a container, so it's in one file per package ? There's no
    good reason to put bushels of files on my fucking C: :-/ My C:
    drive is not a toilet.

    Paul

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  • From Zaidy036@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Apr 25 16:13:04 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be
    holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
    Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together. Cool.

    Ed

    If you run a daily or overnight batch look at the FORFILES command and
    control both Temp folders. I leave last 30 days in the temp folders.

    :: Limit C:\Users\<name>\AppData\Local\Temp Files and Folders ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    SET _SRC=C:\Users\<name>\AppData\Local\Temp
    FORFILES /P %_SRC% /S /C "CMD /C DEL /Q @path" /D -30
    :: Remove empty folders
    FOR /f "delims=" %%i in ('DIR %_SRC% /AD /S /B ^| SORT /R') DO RD "%%i"

    :: Limit C:\Windows\Temp Files and Folders -------------------------------------------------------------------------
    :: Remove files LAST ACCESSed OLDER than 30 Days
    SET _SRC=C:\Windows\Temp
    FORFILES /P %_SRC% /S /C "CMD /C DEL /Q @path" /D -30
    :: Remove empty folders
    FOR /f "delims=" %%i in ('DIR %_SRC% /AD /S /B ^| SORT /R') DO RD "%%i"

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Apr 25 13:13:31 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 14:46:09 -0400, Paul wrote:

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?


    Win10 C:\Windows\servicing\LCU

    That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
    of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.

    C:\Windows\servicing\LCU> *dir /a /s /u2

    Volume in drive C is OS Serial number is 4e90:7197

    Total for: C:\Windows\servicing\LCU\*
    3,207,063,704 bytes in 279,787 files and 331,361 dirs

    Yikes!

    That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
    It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
    (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).

    Hmm ... Microsoft's track record lately hasn't exactly been stellar.
    And I didn't get updates this week till yesterday. I think I'll wait
    till Sunday or Monday before deleting.

    Unless ... the first-level subdirectories under LCU are dated
    2025-03-26, 2025-04-09, and 2025-04-23. Is it safe to delete older
    ones and leave only the most recent one in place?

    It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
    time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
    of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.

    And it's a waste of time having Macrium Reflect back it up.

    Although, my HIBERFIL.SYS is 6 GB, and that gets backed up. To
    control that, as far as I know, I'd have to change my C: image backup
    to a file and folder backup. Goodness knows what that would do to the
    backup of the small recovery partitions that are automatically part
    of the C: image backup.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Fri Apr 25 16:31:10 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 4:13 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 14:46:09 -0400, Paul wrote:

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?


    Win10 C:\Windows\servicing\LCU

    That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
    of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.

    C:\Windows\servicing\LCU> *dir /a /s /u2

    Volume in drive C is OS Serial number is 4e90:7197

    Total for: C:\Windows\servicing\LCU\*
    3,207,063,704 bytes in 279,787 files and 331,361 dirs

    Yikes!

    That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
    It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
    (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).

    Hmm ... Microsoft's track record lately hasn't exactly been stellar.
    And I didn't get updates this week till yesterday. I think I'll wait
    till Sunday or Monday before deleting.

    Unless ... the first-level subdirectories under LCU are dated
    2025-03-26, 2025-04-09, and 2025-04-23. Is it safe to delete older
    ones and leave only the most recent one in place?

    It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
    time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
    of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.

    And it's a waste of time having Macrium Reflect back it up.

    Although, my HIBERFIL.SYS is 6½ GB, and that gets backed up. To
    control that, as far as I know, I'd have to change my C: image backup
    to a file and folder backup. Goodness knows what that would do to the
    backup of the small recovery partitions that are automatically part
    of the C: image backup.


    The "proper" cleaning procedure is apparently DISM and startcomponentcleanup
    or something like that. That should remove all of them except two for April,
    as a guess.

    "Run this in an elevated command prompt.
    It will remove all but the last (newest) folder in the LCU folder.

    Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
    "

    I suppose that ensures that the maintenance system, knows the backup
    items have been removed. Me yanking them away, maybe it never checks
    that they are still present.

    For the hiberfile

    powercfg /h off

    and then test your backup. It should be gone then.

    And for pagefile, I use Start : Run : sysdm.cpl and adjust
    the size of pagefile to be fixed (non-expandable) at 1024MB.
    Sysdm.cpl looks like it did, in WinXP or so.

    Removing the hiberfile can affect some features, such as
    what happens when the system crashes and you really wanted
    a complete image of the entire memory (that is not a default behavior
    and has to be set up). It is used for hibernation.
    It might even be used for Fast Start (which I don't use).

    Some of my "habits", may not be appropriate for others, because
    of my variations on "paving policies", when I choose to pave
    something to fix it :-)

    Paul

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Apr 25 14:08:25 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 25/04/2025 10:00, Ed Cryer wrote:
    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be
    holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
    Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together. Cool.

    Ed


    you can also right click on the mess, hold down the shift key, and
    select delete with the mouse

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 13:19:51 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:13:04 -0400, Zaidy036 wrote:
    I leave last 30 days in the temp folders.

    Out of curiosity, why? I delete anything that doesn't have today's
    date, and I've never had a problem related to that.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Alan K.@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Fri Apr 25 17:58:37 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 4/25/25 03:51 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be
    holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
    Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the ?Shift? and ?Delete? keys together.
    Cool.

    This is a great illustration of why it's nice to post these little
    hacks. I thought everybody knew about Shift+Del, but I was wrong.

    Unless you're doing really massive deletes, another option is to
    right-click Recycle Bin and open Properties. Uncheck (untick)
    "Display delete confirmation dialog". Then things you delete with the
    plain Del key or Delete menu selection will be deleted without a
    confirmation prompt, but to the Recycle Bin so if you make an oops
    you can easily recover.


    I've begun to do this. Move the items to recycle bin 'just in case', and then after
    playing purg-o-matic, empty the trash.

    --
    Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.8, Kernel 6.8.0-58-generic
    Thunderbird 128.9.2esr, Mozilla Firefox 137.0.2
    Alan K.

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  • From Zaidy036@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Fri Apr 25 18:28:27 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 4/25/2025 4:19 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:13:04 -0400, Zaidy036 wrote:
    I leave last 30 days in the temp folders.

    Out of curiosity, why? I delete anything that doesn't have today's
    date, and I've never had a problem related to that.


    Some apps place there log files in there which I copy out first.

    MS Defender is one that has a continuous log appending to it when run

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to this@ddress.is.invalid on Fri Apr 25 19:24:07 2025
    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 25 Apr 2025 18:20:11 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

    John K.Eason <john@jeasonnospam.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <vugf3f$df6v$1@dont-email.me>, ed@somewhere.in.the.uk (Ed Cryer) wrote:

    *From:* Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
    *Date:* Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100

    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can
    be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
    Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the _Shift_ and _Delete_ keys
    together.
    Cool.

    I've been using it since at least W95 here, but don't get into the
    habit of doing it without thinking! That can be somewhat disastrous!
    :^)

    Well, as long as you don't disable the "Are you sure ..." popup,
    you'll be fine. That is, unless you press the 'enter' key, because 'Yes'
    is the default! :-)

    Davy Crcckett said, Be sure you're right. Then go ahead.

    I'm always sure I'm right.

    FWIW, I do the same in my Thunderbird Inbox.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Brown on Fri Apr 25 19:23:00 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Apr 2025 13:13:31 -0700, Stan
    Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 14:46:09 -0400, Paul wrote:

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?


    Win10 C:\Windows\servicing\LCU

    That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
    of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.

    C:\Windows\servicing\LCU> *dir /a /s /u2

    Volume in drive C is OS Serial number is 4e90:7197

    Total for: C:\Windows\servicing\LCU\*
    3,207,063,704 bytes in 279,787 files and 331,361 dirs

    Yikes!

    My win10 laptop doesn't have a windows\servicing directory,
    but the win10 desktop has one, with entries from the 2nd week of feb,
    march, and april, totally about 3 gigs. 271,577 files, 103,851 folders.
    They are probably interesting. When I have time, I will read them.

    I install all the cumulative updates so I don't know why the laptop
    hasn't got such a directory.

    Unfortunately, it's the laptop that's running out of storage, while the
    desktop has loads of storage and can spare 3 gigs easily.

    That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
    It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
    (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).

    Hmm ... Microsoft's track record lately hasn't exactly been stellar.
    And I didn't get updates this week till yesterday. I think I'll wait
    till Sunday or Monday before deleting.

    Unless ... the first-level subdirectories under LCU are dated
    2025-03-26, 2025-04-09, and 2025-04-23. Is it safe to delete older
    ones and leave only the most recent one in place?

    It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
    time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
    of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.

    And it's a waste of time having Macrium Reflect back it up.

    Although, my HIBERFIL.SYS is 6 GB, and that gets backed up. To
    control that, as far as I know, I'd have to change my C: image backup
    to a file and folder backup. Goodness knows what that would do to the
    backup of the small recovery partitions that are automatically part
    of the C: image backup.

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 19:24:23 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Fri Apr 25 19:27:17 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 4/25/2025 4:19 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:13:04 -0400, Zaidy036 wrote:
    I leave last 30 days in the temp folders.

    Out of curiosity, why? I delete anything that doesn't have today's
    date, and I've never had a problem related to that.
    ill
    If it is in a Temp folder it can be deleted. If needed the program that
    manage the file will recreated it.

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to Brown on Fri Apr 25 19:28:10 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 25 Apr 2025 13:19:51 -0700, Stan
    Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:13:04 -0400, Zaidy036 wrote:
    I leave last 30 days in the temp folders.

    Out of curiosity, why? I delete anything that doesn't have today's
    date, and I've never had a problem related to that.

    Why do you leave files that have today's date?

    I'll bet that's the same reason he leaves files from the last 30 days.

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  • From Char Jackson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 20:29:10 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
    wrote:

    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be
    holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
    Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the Shift and Delete keys together.
    Cool.

    That's been available since at least XP, and I'm too lazy to fire up a
    Win9x VM to remind myself if it's been there from the beginning.

    I think there's a name for the phenomenon where, when you know
    something, you assume everyone knows it, and when you don't, you assume
    that others also don't. I've been caught out on that before.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Apr 25 22:26:01 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

    Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

    This is a text-only newsgroup, and no attachments. Please do not post
    binary content here. You encoded your post into a long text string
    encoded as Base64.

    Thunderbird has the same problem in that sometimes it encodes a text
    post using Base64, so Betterbird inherited the same erratic behavior.
    Or, it could be how that client was configured to compose posts. For
    info on Betterbird, and since there are no forums hosted by its web
    site, you can ask in the alt.comp.software.thunderbird newsgroup on how
    to avoid encoding your text posts into Base64.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to knuttle on Fri Apr 25 23:50:10 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 7:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
    On 4/25/2025 2:46 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:00 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way. >>>>> Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
    Cool.

    Ed

    Yes, the Shift key also works for the "delete" choice in the menu.
    You move your mouse away from the general area, press Shift,
    then open the menu and select Delete. And that should avoid all the
    "shifting and calculating", saving about half the time.

    I was deleting on the other machine, and we hit a new low today,
    only able to delete 300 files a second. When you have 200,000 files
    to delete, that is a pretty miserable level of performance. I'd
    be better off booting Linux and deleting the files there.

    The delete command in Command Prompt, is likely to do better
    than that, because no animation is required for that method.

         Paul

    What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?
    Not even Edge comes close to that number on my system
    (:-


    Ed

    Win10  C:\Windows\servicing\LCU

    That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
    of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.

    That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
    It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
    (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).

    It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
    time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
    of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.

    Win11 doesn't have an LCU.

        Paul
    I routinely use the Empty Recycle bin button to purge the deleted items.  I also routinely ran Disk Clean from the Property of the Disk on my old computer. I do the same to all programs that have that function.

    I also routinely delete the files in the \windows\temp folder.  If it is in use you can not delete it.

    However I do not see disk clean on my new HP computer with a TB ssd(?) drive.

    Maybe two of the machines are Win10, one machine is Win11 ?

    [Picture] Win11 "Details" button takes you to a separate Cleaning area

    https://i.postimg.cc/vm05HGmC/Properties-Disk-Cleanup.gif

    Paul

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Char Jackson on Sat Apr 26 10:10:54 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 20:29:10 -0500
    Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
    wrote:

    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be >holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
    Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the Shift and Delete keys together.
    Cool.

    That's been available since at least XP, and I'm too lazy to fire up a
    Win9x VM to remind myself if it's been there from the beginning.

    Reckon so (past W3.1 user)


    I think there's a name for the phenomenon where, when you know
    something, you assume everyone knows it, and when you don't, you assume
    that others also don't. I've been caught out on that before.


    Windows-D is handy if you've got too much clutter on your Desktop.


    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From John K.Eason@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sat Apr 26 11:59:00 2025
    In article <vugqp8.hhk.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, this@ddress.is.invalid (Frank Slootweg) wrote:

    *From:* Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
    *Date:* 25 Apr 2025 18:20:11 GMT

    John K.Eason <john@jeasonnospam.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <vugf3f$df6v$1@dont-email.me>, ed@somewhere.in.the.uk
    (Ed Cryer) wrote:

    *From:* Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
    *Date:* Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100

    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They
    can > be holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin
    in its > Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome
    way.
    Select files to delete, press the _Shift_ and _Delete_ keys
    together.
    Cool.

    I've been using it since at least W95 here, but don't get into the
    habit of doing it without thinking! That can be somewhat
    disastrous!
    :^)

    Well, as long as you don't disable the "Are you sure ..." popup,
    you'll be fine. That is, unless you press the 'enter' key, because
    'Yes'
    is the default! :-)

    Yes I know! Hence the warning about not getting into the habit. :^)

    I did do it on an important file once but luckily I always have a Macrium backup
    handy on my NAS and was able to fish the file out of the backup. <Phew!>

    --
    Regards
    John

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 08:55:49 2025
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 08:52:29 2025
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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to knuttle on Sat Apr 26 14:43:49 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2025 11:50 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 4/25/2025 7:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
    [...]
    I routinely use the Empty Recycle bin button to purge the deleted
    items. I also routinely ran Disk Clean from the Property of the
    Disk on my old computer. I do the same to all programs that have
    that function.

    I also routinely delete the files in the \windows\temp folder. If
    it is in use you can not delete it.

    However I do not see disk clean on my new HP computer with a TB
    ssd(?) drive.

    Maybe two of the machines are Win10, one machine is Win11 ?

    [Picture] Win11 "Details" button takes you to a separate Cleaning area

    https://i.postimg.cc/vm05HGmC/Properties-Disk-Cleanup.gif

    Paul
    When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not
    available on my Windows 11 laptop.

    Just type 'clean' in the Search box, that will list Disk Clean-up as
    one of the first items. Or type cleanmgr.exe in the Run box.

    That is if you actually mean 'Disk Clean-up' [1] instead of "Disk
    Clean".

    [1] Spelling might differ for US/non-UK English.

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to knuttle on Sat Apr 26 19:05:53 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    knuttle wrote:


    I also discovered there is something call Storage Sense. As I understand
    it it is supposes to do the same functions as Disk Clean automatically
    on a user control schedule.

    No. Don't turn on Storage Sense. It's somebody else's opinion of what
    you want or don't want to save; somebody with a seat in the MS offices.
    Use your own discretion; and use other means to keep your computer tidy.

    Ed

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Sat Apr 26 19:19:21 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not
    available on my Windows 11 laptop.

    Just type 'clean' in the Search box, that will list Disk Clean-up as
    one of the first items. Or type cleanmgr.exe in the Run box.

    That is if you actually mean 'Disk Clean-up' [1] instead of "Disk
    Clean".

    [1] Spelling might differ for US/non-UK English.

    Don't play with him, Frank. Be a better man.
    What he wants is the former.

    "Program" or "programme".
    We in the UK have bowed to American simplified spelling on this.
    The former is used in all cases of computer technology; but we stick to
    the latter for all else, things like theatre programme, programme of
    events etc.

    Ed

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Sat Apr 26 19:30:29 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not
    available on my Windows 11 laptop.

    Just type 'clean' in the Search box, that will list Disk Clean-up as
    one of the first items. Or type cleanmgr.exe in the Run box.

    That is if you actually mean 'Disk Clean-up' [1] instead of "Disk Clean".

    [1] Spelling might differ for US/non-UK English.

    Don't play with him, Frank. Be a better man.
    What he wants is the former.

    "Program" or "programme".
    We in the UK have bowed to American simplified spelling on this.
    The former is used in all cases of computer technology; but we stick to
    the latter for all else, things like theatre programme, programme of
    events etc.

    I'm not playing with him, just pointing out that for different English versions, things might be spelled differently and hence might not be
    found, when using the full word, i.e. 'cleanup' when the actual spelling
    is 'clean-up'.

    For example, I had this difference for 'fast start-up' versus 'fast
    startup'.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Sat Apr 26 19:38:15 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
    knuttle wrote:


    I also discovered there is something call Storage Sense. As I understand
    it it is supposes to do the same functions as Disk Clean automatically
    on a user control schedule.

    No. Don't turn on Storage Sense. It's somebody else's opinion of what
    you want or don't want to save; somebody with a seat in the MS offices.
    Use your own discretion; and use other means to keep your computer tidy.

    The Storage Sense settings clearly describe what they do (not) do. If
    you only tick the (top and only) tickbox, it will only clean the %TEMP%
    folder on a (Task Scheduler) schedule.

    See the February thread "Windows %TEMP% folder & files" in alt.comp.os.windows-10 for details. This post summarizes everything
    (note the author! :-)):

    Message-ID: <vppss0.ddo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Char Jackson on Sat Apr 26 16:36:42 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 9:29 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
    wrote:

    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be
    holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
    Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys together.
    Cool.

    That's been available since at least XP, and I'm too lazy to fire up a
    Win9x VM to remind myself if it's been there from the beginning.

    I think there's a name for the phenomenon where, when you know
    something, you assume everyone knows it, and when you don't, you assume
    that others also don't. I've been caught out on that before.


    Some people keep their good output files in the Trash Bin,
    and it's almost impossible to convince them not to do that :-)
    I'm sure there's a name for this behavior too :-)

    That is one of the consequences of un-structured learning.
    "Discovery" as a concept, has a few issues when it comes
    to correct logical conclusions. Some people assume the
    most important "container" on the desktop, is where you store
    your good output. Having a bin where actual trash goes,
    that's not nearly as important to them. When they spot a
    container, any container, that's where the file goes.
    it doesn't matter what is printed on the side of the container.

    I had a colleague at work who came over to my desk and
    said "Paul, my email is awfully slow". So I check, and he
    has a ton of deleted files in the Inbox, and they've never
    been compacted to get rid of them. Apparently he had never
    heard of the concept, how email deletion was a two-step,
    and deleting an item didn't actually delete it, and you
    had to compact the box to tidy it up. While the company had
    an "email training course", you'd be laughed out of the
    place if someone said "Oh, Alphonse is taking the email
    course this week". That's one of the reasons some basics
    courses, never got taken.

    This concept, of insulating users, has been around for a
    long time, and I believe it may have Unix roots as much
    as anything. Microsoft made it graphical. Whereas the
    two-step concept existed as a "command line thing". We
    were using an alias for "rm" that consisted of "mv" and
    some operands. And then the main complaint about putting
    that by default in peoples profiles (noob profiles), is
    the individuals didn't know where the "actual storage" was.
    Some had never managed to empty the "real trash".
    "Taz, my homedir is full. I think it's my trash.
    Do you know where my trash is ?" That would be a situation
    which would provide a teaching moment.

    I guess this is why we keep a copy of Recuva handy,
    and warn users to "stop making changes to the disk if
    you delete something for real, by accident". There's more
    to the story than knowing how the Shift key can help you.
    You should also hear how delete, is a one-byte flag that
    can be reversed, but it must be reversed promptly before
    the file system overwrites your valuable document remnants.
    (Shut down immediately. Dial out and ask for help using
    your second computer.) The green bullets in Recuva show
    you items that can be recovered.

    Paul

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 26 22:01:49 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to knuttle on Sat Apr 26 17:12:32 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 4/26/2025 8:55 AM, knuttle wrote:


        [Picture]  Win11 "Details" button takes you to a separate Cleaning area

         https://i.postimg.cc/vm05HGmC/Properties-Disk-Cleanup.gif

    When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not available on my Windows 11 laptop.

    I created an account which did not belong to Administrator group, and
    the Details button was still there in the C: Properties dialog. And
    that was on a Win11 Home installation (Disk #33).

    I tried a Google, but I'm not getting any sort of match on
    a GPEdit that could remove it.

    Paul

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  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Sat Apr 26 16:38:23 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Ed Cryer wrote on 4/26/2025 4:01 PM:
    Paul wrote:
    On Fri, 4/25/2025 9:29 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 18:00:17 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
    wrote:

    I regularly empty folders of waste; Temp folders usually. They can be
    holding hundreds of files, so I bypass the Recycle Bin in its
    Properties; then switch back afterwards.
    Until today, that is. I've found a quicker and less troublesome way.
    Select files to delete, press the “Shift” and “Delete” keys
    together.
    Cool.

    That's been available since at least XP, and I'm too lazy to fire up a
    Win9x VM to remind myself if it's been there from the beginning.

    I think there's a name for the phenomenon where, when you know
    something, you assume everyone knows it, and when you don't, you assume
    that others also don't. I've been caught out on that before.


    Some people keep their good output files in the Trash Bin,
    and it's almost impossible to convince them not to do that :-)
    I'm sure there's a name for this behavior too :-)

    That is one of the consequences of un-structured learning.
    "Discovery" as a concept, has a few issues when it comes
    to correct logical conclusions. Some people assume the
    most important "container" on the desktop, is where you store
    your good output. Having a bin where actual trash goes,
    that's not nearly as important to them. When they spot a
    container, any container, that's where the file goes.
    it doesn't matter what is printed on the side of the container.

    I had a colleague at work who came over to my desk and
    said "Paul, my email is awfully slow". So I check, and he
    has a ton of deleted files in the Inbox, and they've never
    been compacted to get rid of them. Apparently he had never
    heard of the concept, how email deletion was a two-step,
    and deleting an item didn't actually delete it, and you
    had to compact the box to tidy it up. While the company had
    an "email training course", you'd be laughed out of the
    place if someone said "Oh, Alphonse is taking the email
    course this week". That's one of the reasons some basics
    courses, never got taken.

    This concept, of insulating users, has been around for a
    long time, and I believe it may have Unix roots as much
    as anything. Microsoft made it graphical. Whereas the
    two-step concept existed as a "command line thing". We
    were using an alias for "rm" that consisted of "mv" and
    some operands. And then the main complaint about putting
    that by default in peoples profiles (noob profiles), is
    the individuals didn't know where the "actual storage" was.
    Some had never managed to empty the "real trash".
    "Taz, my homedir is full. I think it's my trash.
    Do you know where my trash is ?" That would be a situation
    which would provide a teaching moment.

    I guess this is why we keep a copy of Recuva handy,
    and warn users to "stop making changes to the disk if
    you delete something for real, by accident". There's more
    to the story than knowing how the Shift key can help you.
    You should also hear how delete, is a one-byte flag that
    can be reversed, but it must be reversed promptly before
    the file system overwrites your valuable document remnants.
    (Shut down immediately. Dial out and ask for help using
    your second computer.) The green bullets in Recuva show
    you items that can be recovered.

    Paul

    Some friends of mine recently called me in. Their iPhone had suddenly
    lost all its contacts. I went in and found that they never rebooted,
    there were hundreds of versions of Safari open, lots of updates left
    undone (including a major OS update), emails in the inbox unread over a thousand, and other infractures that would make anyone with even a minor degree of computer-savvy sigh.
    It's for such people that the OS-vendors produce their prison-cell like
    OSes; trying to help them, I suppose, but giving the rest of us
    something that resembles Disneyland.

    Apple are the worst culprits in this dumbing-down cycle; but MS are
    catching up.
    BTW, I had one hell of a time trying to explain two-factor
    authentication to them. I just couldn't reach down to the very lowest
    rungs of the IT-ladder where they seemed to be at home.
    I feel the greatest empathy with them. When all the suppliers of food,
    power, goods and no-goods are insisting on online communication only,
    they're ripe for ripping off by the bandits.

    Ed


    I guess you just have to work a lot harder to educate the dummies. But,
    it's always been that way, hasn't it?

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Apr 26 15:02:06 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 4:13 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 14:46:09 -0400, Paul wrote:

    On Fri, 4/25/2025 1:39 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
    What the dickens were you doing having 200,000 files to delete?


    Win10 C:\Windows\servicing\LCU

    That can have 200,000 files in it, and it's a waste
    of SearchIndexer munching time, to leave that there.

    C:\Windows\servicing\LCU> *dir /a /s /u2

    Volume in drive C is OS Serial number is 4e90:7197

    Total for: C:\Windows\servicing\LCU\*
    3,207,063,704 bytes in 279,787 files and 331,361 dirs

    Yikes!

    That can be deleted (contents of LCU Last Cumulative Update).
    It's up to you to decide whether that's a good tradeoff or not
    (in case the system needs to roll back the Patch Tuesday Cumulative).

    Hmm ... Microsoft's track record lately hasn't exactly been stellar.
    And I didn't get updates this week till yesterday. I think I'll wait
    till Sunday or Monday before deleting.

    Unless ... the first-level subdirectories under LCU are dated
    2025-03-26, 2025-04-09, and 2025-04-23. Is it safe to delete older
    ones and leave only the most recent one in place?

    It's a waste of time defragmenting that. It's a waste of
    time for Agent Ransack to search through there. It's a waste
    of time letting the SearchIndexer process it. Etc.

    And it's a waste of time having Macrium Reflect back it up.

    Although, my HIBERFIL.SYS is 6 GB, and that gets backed up. To
    control that, as far as I know, I'd have to change my C: image backup
    to a file and folder backup. Goodness knows what that would do to the backup of the small recovery partitions that are automatically part
    of the C: image backup.


    The "proper" cleaning procedure is apparently DISM and startcomponentcleanup or something like that. That should remove all of them except two for April, as a guess.

    "Run this in an elevated command prompt.
    It will remove all but the last (newest) folder in the LCU folder.

    Dism.exe /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup
    "

    Thanks! I did that, and it took several minutes. For about the first
    30 seconds of the last minute, CPU usage was 98%.

    I had started in an admin command line with "del /s /k" (which
    bypasses the Recycle Bin), but 5 minutes later when it has thought
    had finished it had actually deleted only 3% of the directories in
    the first subdir of LCU, which was dated March 26. So wmic seems to
    be faster, in addition to being "official".

    I suppose that ensures that the maintenance system, knows the backup
    items have been removed. Me yanking them away, maybe it never checks
    that they are still present.

    For the hiberfile

    powercfg /h off

    and then test your backup. It should be gone then.

    Good point. I suppose I can bracket the C: part of my backup batch
    with turning hibernation off and on. If I do that, will hibernation-
    related settings be restored when I turn hibernation back on? For
    example, I have set the power button to trigger a hibernation, and
    also set the system to hibernate after a certain amount of
    inactivity. I'd hate to have to remember to reinstate those settings
    every time I do a backup.

    And for pagefile, I use Start : Run : sysdm.cpl and adjust
    the size of pagefile to be fixed (non-expandable) at 1024MB.
    Sysdm.cpl looks like it did, in WinXP or so.

    Hmm ... I hadn't thought about that, but I guess if I'm going to try
    to optimize backup size then I ought to shrink my pagefile too. (At
    the moment it's upward of 2 GB; Windows selected the size.)

    Removing the hiberfile can affect some features, such as
    what happens when the system crashes and you really wanted
    a complete image of the entire memory (that is not a default behavior
    and has to be set up). It is used for hibernation.
    It might even be used for Fast Start (which I don't use).

    I don't use Fast Start, as far as I'm aware. (My disk is an SSD,
    which starts within seconds.) But I do hibernate purposely.

    Some of my "habits", may not be appropriate for others, because
    of my variations on "paving policies", when I choose to pave
    something to fix it :-)

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Sat Apr 26 15:07:37 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 19:19:21 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not
    available on my Windows 11 laptop.

    Just type 'clean' in the Search box, that will list Disk Clean-up as
    one of the first items. Or type cleanmgr.exe in the Run box.

    The ".exe" isn't needed: just cleanmgr brings it up.


    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Apr 26 19:12:13 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 4/26/2025 5:12 PM, Paul wrote:
    On Sat, 4/26/2025 8:55 AM, knuttle wrote:


        [Picture]  Win11 "Details" button takes you to a separate Cleaning area

         https://i.postimg.cc/vm05HGmC/Properties-Disk-Cleanup.gif

    When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not available on my Windows 11 laptop.

    I created an account which did not belong to Administrator group, and
    the Details button was still there in the C: Properties dialog. And
    that was on a Win11 Home installation (Disk #33).

    I tried a Google, but I'm not getting any sort of match on
    a GPEdit that could remove it.

    Paul


    I asked CoPilot, and the answer includes some unlikely things.
    Plus one item that is, I suppose, technically possible.

    CoPilot:

    3. **Registry Modifications** – If the registry key responsible for the Details tab
    is missing or altered, the button may not be available. You can check the registry path:

    HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shellex\PropertySheetHandlers

    Ensure that the subkey `{883373C3-BF89-11D1-BE35-080036B11A03}` exists.

    If not, creating it might restore the Details button.

    These are the rest of the CoPilot items, edited for brevity.

    1. User profile is corrupted or lacks administrative privileges
    (I tested that, even an un-elevated user has that button.)
    2. Hail Mary DISM/SFC (where is my Sparkle Pony???)
    4. If you're checking the properties of the C: drive instead of a file,
    the Details button may not be present by design. [No]
    5. Performing a **System Restore** ... [I think I'm getting a Sparkle Pony...]

    Such is the power of AI.

    Paul

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Sat Apr 26 19:30:07 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Sat, 4/26/2025 6:07 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 19:19:21 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not
    available on my Windows 11 laptop.

    Just type 'clean' in the Search box, that will list Disk Clean-up as
    one of the first items. Or type cleanmgr.exe in the Run box.

    The ".exe" isn't needed: just cleanmgr brings it up.



    That's a little syntactic sugar, intended to calm the nerves.

    It's to help the user feel they're in control.

    Paul

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to nospam@needed.invalid on Sun Apr 27 15:43:11 2025
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11

    In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 4/26/2025 6:07 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Apr 2025 19:19:21 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

    Frank Slootweg wrote:

    When I access the C: (Primary Drive) Properties that option is not
    available on my Windows 11 laptop.

    Just type 'clean' in the Search box, that will list Disk Clean-up as >>> one of the first items. Or type cleanmgr.exe in the Run box.

    The ".exe" isn't needed: just cleanmgr brings it up.

    That's a little syntactic sugar, intended to calm the nerves.

    It's to help the user feel they're in control.

    Exactly, *and* to tell the user *what* it is, an .exe, instead of a
    .msc, .cpl, etc..

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